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Do you think that every people have their limits ?

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Simfy
11 posts
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Topic Starter
Simfy
All is in the title.

To be honest, I was playing osu a lot and then I play less often because I started to tought that I can't progress more :(

When I tried to improve at something like my streaming speed or other things it worked after training(1/2 months), but now I'm starting to think that i can't stream at the speed i want(actually it means 220+ bpm). After lot of training during lot of months I don't feel like i'm improving :cry:

And you, what do you think about it :D ?
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee
Yes. There is a physical limit to everything. But that doesn't mean you can't improve.
[ yogurt ]
219 posts
Joined November 2013
[ yogurt ]

Simfy wrote:

To be honest, I was playing osu a lot and then I play less often because I started to tought that I can't progress more
That's your limitation. You just went "duh I can't get any better anyway" and put a mental limit on yourself.
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
I don't think some people have a limit where they can't go to a certain speed, e.g, 250 bpm - I just think they don't try hard enough/correctly/give up too easily.

Sometimes I think accuracy on a certain map is impossible with high od then I see the top 50 and they all have 99%+ with HR so I know it is possible.
Deva
2,343 posts
Joined December 2014
Deva
You want to stream 220+ after half a month lol
Try harder. Much harder. Much much much harder.
Simfy
11 posts
Joined December 2013
Topic Starter
Simfy

HK_ wrote:

You want to stream 220+ after half a month lol
Try harder. Much harder. Much much much harder.
I play since 2 year atm '-' .

It's Just that I feel like I'm not improving... And it's not like I'm giving up, I'm still training all Day but let's see.
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee

Khelly wrote:

I don't think some people have a limit where they can't go to a certain speed, e.g, 250 bpm - I just think they don't try hard enough/correctly/give up too easily.

Sometimes I think accuracy on a certain map is impossible with high od then I see the top 50 and they all have 99%+ with HR so I know it is possible.
There is most certainly a physical limit. We're only human after all - though it would depend on the individual.
KanoSet
906 posts
Joined October 2014
KanoSet
yes people have their limits.. but you aren't there yet
you still can be #1 in this game.. after long long time

YOGURTOVSKY wrote:

That's your limitation. You just went "duh I can't get any better anyway" and put a mental limit on yourself.
don't over think it and have fun ^^
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Simfy wrote:

HK_ wrote:

You want to stream 220+ after half a month lol
Try harder. Much harder. Much much much harder.
I play since 2 year atm '-' .

It's Just that I feel like I'm not improving... And it's not like I'm giving up, I'm still training all Day but let's see.
You have about as much playtime in 2 years as I do in 7 months - play more.

pandaBee wrote:

There is most certainly a physical limit. We're only human after all - though it would depend on the individual.
I'm not talking about 400 bpm streams or whatever, I'm talking about things like 250-270 bpm that lots of people are capable of.
Deva
2,343 posts
Joined December 2014
Deva
Saying that you have a limit is just as bs as saying that ar11 is impossible.
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee

HK_ wrote:

Saying that you have a limit is just as bs as saying that ar11 is impossible.
Okay. Let me see you or anyone else properly play 400-500 bpm streams, ar 11+, circle sizes as small as a pen dot, etc. etc.
Deva
2,343 posts
Joined December 2014
Deva

pandaBee wrote:

HK_ wrote:

Saying that you have a limit is just as bs as saying that ar11 is impossible.
Okay. Let me see you or anyone else properly play 400-500 bpm streams, ar 11+, circle sizes as small as a pen dot, etc. etc.
Just because I or anyone i know cant that doesnt mean its impossible. You just have to click and believe. One day someone will do it. Maybe even you.

But seriously if you spend ENOUGH time on it im pretty sure any of those 3 are possible. Its just that nobody wants to spend time on something they wont ever have to use except for maybe showing off.
pandaBee
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Joined December 2014
pandaBee

HK_ wrote:

Just because I or anyone i know cant that doesnt mean its impossible. You just have to click and believe. One day someone will do it. Maybe even you.

But seriously if you spend ENOUGH time on it im pretty sure any of those 3 are possible. Its just that nobody wants to spend time on something they wont ever have to use except for maybe showing off.
Maybe if we genetically engineered humans that were predisposed to being osu gods, then perhaps, but in this generation? Probably nope. If there are people out there that can pull off the stuff i listed, it should be very very few. Even then you could raise those numbers i provided by a little bit more and soon you'd be at a state where noone, no matter how much they practice, could ever pull off such feats.

Oh you can actually stream 500 bpm? what about 600? 700? 800? 10,000,000? etc. etc.

So yes, people have limits.

If you are even remotely familiar with reality, you'd be familiar with the law of diminishing returns. I'm certain that there are people out there that could play better than the top osu players now, given that they practice enough, but it won't be by much unless they're some kind of mutant freak human, and even then that person would have limits of their own.
Deva
2,343 posts
Joined December 2014
Deva
Yes there is a limit for everything.

At least now nobody can say that i havent tried to boost his confidence...
Arcubin
689 posts
Joined September 2013
Arcubin
can we stop drama before it's happen?? thanks

yes, in my opinion all people have their limit, but you can extend your limit with practice.

for now you maybe can only stream under 220BPM, but with a lot of practice you can increase your limit.

think it's like a balloon. you can blow to make it bigger. if the balloon still strong enough, you can increase it's size. but... in other case if you try to blew it over it's limit then BOOMM!! it's explode
-Kanzaki
889 posts
Joined June 2012
-Kanzaki
True story
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz
The true physical limits of humans are quite astonishing. Unfortunately reaching those limits usually involves a life threatening situation. Performing to that level also usually results in severe injury as well. Any sort of realistic limit is just your mental block.
ZenithPhantasm
ZenithPhantasm

chainpullz wrote:

The true physical limits of humans are quite astonishing. Unfortunately reaching those limits usually involves a life threatening situation. Performing to that level also usually results in severe injury as well. Any sort of realistic limit is just your mental block.
Mental ability is defined by how well your neurons communicate with other neurons. Its also physical.
SpringVine
51 posts
Joined May 2014
SpringVine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DFAr4mNqlI
say no more
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee
I've lost my way
otoed1
639 posts
Joined May 2014
otoed1
Humans have limits, but we certainly haven't reached them and I doubt we will for a long time.
Ninonuko
509 posts
Joined January 2014
Ninonuko
SPOILER



Fatal3ty
915 posts
Joined November 2014
Fatal3ty
My limit is much worse, I practice to improve stream for months and I hang always 180bpm firmly. More do not want to make my fingers. Fast's more, is also limit. :P

It can not be changed and I have to accept it. Are people who have faster finger and I'm just very slowly. :o
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Fatal3ty wrote:

More do not want to make my fingers. Fast's more, is also limit. :P
Jeg kan virkelig ikke forstå hva du prøver å si
Fatal3ty
915 posts
Joined November 2014
Fatal3ty
My fingers can not work faster than 180bpm, no matter how long I practice, it increases nothing. So my limit is reached. I have very small hands and short fingers. :(
Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe
There are limits, but no one reaches them. People who claim they are at their limit just don't play enough of whatever they are 'stuck' on.

Source: Spent almost 2 years being unable to stream properly (ie. not mash) faster than 200bpm. Now I can do 220bpm pretty well with a warmup, because I put in some extra effort to improve.
pandaBee
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Joined December 2014
pandaBee
Centipede fc soon
otoed1
639 posts
Joined May 2014
otoed1

pandaBee wrote:

Centipede fc soon
With HR FL DT PF
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee

otoed1 wrote:

pandaBee wrote:

Centipede fc soon
With HR FL DT PF
It's possible, we're just not playing enough. Humans stronk.
ZenithPhantasm
ZenithPhantasm

otoed1 wrote:

pandaBee wrote:

Centipede fc soon
With HR FL DT PF
You forgot HD
Barusamikosu
1,100 posts
Joined July 2014
Barusamikosu

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

You forgot HD
But HD is bad.
Deva
2,343 posts
Joined December 2014
Deva
Its not bad if you actually know to play it properly.
Mahogany
2,684 posts
Joined August 2014
Mahogany
HD is a bad mod and people who play it should feel bad

It's slightly better with HR though
Barusamikosu
1,100 posts
Joined July 2014
Barusamikosu
It's still a bad mod even on maps I can read perfectly with Hidden

HD is morally wrong.
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni
Yes, I do think people have their limits, and different people have different limits. At one point you approach your maximum potential and improving becomes little to non-existent. These limits are set by mental, physical, or mechanical standards.

HD does not have any effect on limits unless you are playing HD FL where it becomes memory limits.
chainpullz
2,334 posts
Joined June 2013
chainpullz
HD is good for farming wins in tournaments though because next to nobody plays it without hr. :p
Kouya-
Kouya-
Well to a certain extent yes, but if you're willing to never give up then you can still go past your limits and surpass even higher \ o /
repr1se
482 posts
Joined May 2014
repr1se
Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.

So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Repr1se wrote:

Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.

So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
This is the saddest post I've ever read.
Laeloin
15 posts
Joined October 2014
Laeloin
I believe there is an human limit. For example: A normal swimmer can dive for 6 seconds before drowning. If the normal swimmer( Let's call him Cookiezi) would be pro at diving he could dive for 13 seconds. But Cookiezis brain needs air so he has to breathe after 14 seconds otherwise he would die. So the 14 seconds is a natural human limit which Cookiezi cant surpass. This is just a example, but in osu noone knows what the bpm limit is. Probably Kynan is capable of streaming 350 bpm with a lot training if the human limit ISN'T already at 340. I hope you guys can understand my view of it and I think it sounds pretty logic 8-)
repr1se
482 posts
Joined May 2014
repr1se

Khelly wrote:

Repr1se wrote:

Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.

So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
This is the saddest post I've ever read.
Because I'm a sad sack of shit that sucks at this game and should uninstall and deal with terribad hitreg in CSGO.
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
repr1se
482 posts
Joined May 2014
repr1se

Khelly wrote:

Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
Because it's impossible to doubt yourself after trying everything.
pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee

Repr1se wrote:

Yes, people have limits. 100%. I've just about reached mine -- and with 4 hours of play per day, I haven't improved. I've been downloading and playing maps from 5 stars to 6 stars, with and without HR or DT, playing the same maps three times, doing jump/square jump/stream practice maps. I normally FC 5 stars, but now I struggle to manage FC-ing 4.5.

So, yes, people have limits, and won't pass them.
Give it another 2-3 million hits you'll be fine.
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Repr1se wrote:

Khelly wrote:

Because you think like that and go "boohoo I'm already at my limit I can't improve" yes.
Because it's impossible to doubt yourself after trying everything.
Yeah, I'm sure you have.
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni

Repr1se wrote:

Because I'm a sad sack of shit that sucks at this game and should uninstall and deal with terribad hitreg in CSGO.
At least you have progress on your graph... Thus you are improving in a sense, even if it is just pp farming.

Meanwhile I sit here struggling to achieve 97% on 2-3.5 star songs just to improve my accuracy enough to not spam 4 star songs.
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pandaBee
2,004 posts
Joined December 2014
pandaBee

Insyni wrote:

Repr1se wrote:

Because I'm a sad sack of shit that sucks at this game and should uninstall and deal with terribad hitreg in CSGO.
At least you have progress on your graph... Thus you are improving in a sense, even if it is just pp farming.

Meanwhile I sit here struggling to achieve 97% on 2-3.5 star songs.
Holy shit.
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun
I like seeing the mentality in regards to pp of people who can't improve. It makes me laugh.
Insyni
281 posts
Joined July 2012
Insyni

Khelly wrote:

I like seeing the mentality in regards to pp of people who can't improve. It makes me laugh.
Yes, mentality does play a big part. Despite what I've said, I think what I'm doing now will help in the long run and am looking forwards to that.

I also wanted to point out that a person shouldn't be complaining about not improving when their pp graph shows significant progress.

I guess you can call a person's limit a hurdle if it is mental. If it is a physical limit it can be either a hurdle or a wall, but for most players a tall hurdle. If it a mechanical limit, then it could simply be a wall. (tries to stay on topic)
Yuudachi-kun
5,435 posts
Joined August 2014
Yuudachi-kun

Insyni wrote:

Khelly wrote:

I like seeing the mentality in regards to pp of people who can't improve. It makes me laugh.
Yes, mentality does play a big part. Despite what I've said, I think what I'm doing now will help in the long run and am looking forwards to that.

I also wanted to point out that a person shouldn't be complaining about not improving when their pp graph shows significant progress.

Here's the thing, you specifically said "even if it's just pp farming" and that statement told me everything I needed to know. It reeks of the same types of people who like to say "I'm playing now for improvement not pp ecks dee" like they're two mutually exclusive things that you can only focus on one or the other and it's not the case.

As long as the map you're playing for pp is challenging and will give you a good amount of ranks, then it's worth it to play it for fc even if it takes a lot of effort because it's the effort put into playing that map for the fc that will make you improve and the pp will be there to show it. Yet some people can't seem to grasp this and they're the same ones who say on the forums that they aren't improving. Half to 3/4 of my osu day is spent to playing maps that I find challenging for fc, and in 2 hours I may only get one or two fcs. On a good day, three to four. And guess what? I've improved a fuckton from when I started playing osu by being like that. How do I measure it? PP of course, but I can also measure it by re fcing those same maps or coming back to maps I gave up the fc for temporarily and seeing how much easier it is.

Another problem I have with people who like to measure improving like this is that it's completely invisible - there's hardly any metric to determine your skill level or progress besides what maps you've put in the effort to fc. It's like being able to excuse yourself out of anything in relation to skill. "Yeah, I'm as good as hvick but I just don't try to fc things x^ddddddd"
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