10:11 Kyle Y: hi
10:11 *Kyle Y is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/732837 IOSYS feat. Asana - star river [Normal+]]
10:11 Kyle Y: are you free to have IRC modding?
10:11 MokouSmoke: hi there
10:12 MokouSmoke: sure
10:12 Kyle Y: then let start from Normal
10:12 MokouSmoke: ok
10:12 Kyle Y: btw, Easy also a lot to point out
10:12 Kyle Y: then you want easy first or normal
10:13 MokouSmoke: up to you
10:13 Kyle Y: then easy
10:13 Kyle Y:
http://puu.sh/iX6jZ/e4c64f6d62.png 10:13 Kyle Y: Easy should not have any SV change
10:14 MokouSmoke: not even by 0.1?
10:14 Kyle Y: yup
10:14 Kyle Y: you still have 0.75 and 0.5 later on
10:15 MokouSmoke: the bpm slows down though
10:15 Kyle Y: 00:00:937 - don't you think the beat should be here
10:15 MokouSmoke: i just changed sv instead of bpm
10:15 Kyle Y: um... SV not equal to bpm
10:15 Kyle Y: change for sv, and bpm keep the same
10:16 Kyle Y: if change for bpm and SV unchange, the in fact the velocity also change a little bit
10:17 MokouSmoke: ok
10:17 MokouSmoke: song slows at end, so i'll change bpm instead
10:17 Kyle Y: just base on the same
10:17 Kyle Y: song *
10:18 Kyle Y: some of the song seems slow down, but in fact bpm remain
10:20 MokouSmoke: ok, but at 01:35:859 (4) - bpm definitely changes
10:20 MokouSmoke: its why aimod give me spacing issues
10:20 Kyle Y: ?
10:20 Kyle Y:
http://puu.sh/iX6Jx/6ca416e907.jpg10:21 Kyle Y: I think bpm change maybe from 01:33:984 -
10:23 Kyle Y: sorry I am not quite familar with bpm change song
10:23 MokouSmoke: its ok
10:24 Kyle Y: maybe I just help you mod for the first part, and this part just leave for experienced modder
10:24 MokouSmoke: it just gives me this error [http://puu.sh/iX6So/770aedaf41.jpg]
10:24 MokouSmoke: ok
10:24 Kyle Y: oh... becasue Easy diff need to keep constant ds
10:25 Kyle Y: I think just becasue of this reason
10:25 Kyle Y: not quite sure
10:25 MokouSmoke: mmm...ok i'll try to figure it out
10:26 Kyle Y: maybe we should mod first
10:26 Kyle Y: becasue I received another modding also
10:26 MokouSmoke: i agree ^.^
10:28 Kyle Y: 00:00:234 - try this
http://puu.sh/iX796/aeab4508d5.jpg10:29 Kyle Y: 00:08:202 (1) - use 2 beat slider (I think 1 beat reverse not quite suitable in EZ)
10:29 Kyle Y: 00:11:484 - missing, combine 00:11:952 (1) - with slider
10:30 Kyle Y: 00:15:702 (1,2,3) - use 2 beat slider
10:30 Kyle Y: 00:14:765 (7) - 1 beat slider
10:30 Kyle Y: 00:23:202 (2,3) - 2beat slider
10:31 Kyle Y: becasue EZ should be keep as easy it can be
10:31 Kyle Y: oh btw use this setting
http://puu.sh/iX7jo/5ec7ca705e.jpg10:32 MokouSmoke: its already 1.3 stars x.x
10:32 Kyle Y: becasue you break notes into different part
10:32 Kyle Y: 00:11:484 - break here
10:33 MokouSmoke: it follows vocals
10:33 Kyle Y: basically need to follow beat
10:33 MokouSmoke: i think rhythm is intuitive
10:33 MokouSmoke: no?
10:34 Kyle Y: of course follow vocals is okay, but need to follow beat also
10:34 Kyle Y: if you sudden break a beat, then players may feel weird when playing
10:35 Kyle Y: except the emphasis vocal
10:36 Kyle Y: of course modder only give suggest
10:36 Kyle Y: if you don;t change it, it still okay
10:37 Kyle Y: 00:26:484 - slider
10:37 Kyle Y: 00:26:484 - sorry here should be circle
10:37 Kyle Y: 00:33:984 (5,1) - 4 beat spinner
10:40 Kyle Y: 00:37:734 - try this
http://puu.sh/iX7KD/c7d49cf9dc.jpg10:40 Kyle Y: 00:47:109 (2) - 2 beat slider start at 00:46:874 -
10:41 Kyle Y: 00:48:984 (1,2,3,4) - suggestion: combine in one long slider
10:41 Kyle Y: 00:51:796 (5) - end at 00:52:499 - and use 4-beat spinner at 00:52:734 -
10:42 Kyle Y: 00:55:546 (1,2) - del
10:43 MokouSmoke: why you think del?
10:44 Kyle Y: 1) if you use spinner, then you should remove becasue of the recovery time
10:44 Kyle Y: 2) I think this can be emphasis the kiai part
10:45 MokouSmoke: ah ok
10:45 Kyle Y: it is quite common
10:48 Kyle Y: 00:56:484 - try this
http://puu.sh/iX7KD/c7d49cf9dc.jpg10:49 Kyle Y: sorry wrong link
10:49 Kyle Y:
http://puu.sh/iX8j4/bf247559e4.jpg10:51 Kyle Y: 01:06:796 (3) - when you hear this melody again, it basically is 1/3
10:52 Kyle Y: then I don't think using 1/3 in EZ is good
10:52 MokouSmoke: ok, i wanted to keep rhythm very simple, but i will test out
10:53 Kyle Y: 01:13:359 (1,2,3,4) - don't use so many circle here
10:53 Kyle Y: not, should be must not use that much in EZ
10:54 Kyle Y: 01:15:234 (1,2) - I like this melody, but
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3380894 this flowing is better
10:55 Kyle Y: oh btw, some mapper will end the song at 01:33:984 - becasue they know there is bpm change and they just skip it
10:56 Kyle Y: 01:32:577 -
http://puu.sh/iX8ER/224310a1e1.jpg10:56 Kyle Y: 01:32:109 - missing circle
10:56 Kyle Y: that's all for EZ
10:57 Kyle Y: tell me when you are really for NM
10:57 MokouSmoke: ok thx
10:58 MokouSmoke: ready
10:58 Kyle Y:
http://puu.sh/iX8Nd/b2c790b496.jpg10:59 Kyle Y: use this setting in NM
11:01 Kyle Y: also don;t use slider change in NM
11:01 Kyle Y: sv change
11:05 MokouSmoke: i see many ranked map with SV change in NM though
11:05 Kyle Y: um... you use then
11:06 Kyle Y: NM 00:08:905 (3) - del
11:07 Kyle Y: 00:13:593 (4) - del 00:13:827 (5) - change to circle
11:07 Kyle Y: 00:15:234 (1) - 1beat slider
11:07 Kyle Y: 00:15:937 (2) - del
11:07 Kyle Y: 00:24:843 (4) - del
11:08 Kyle Y: becasue I think del is more suitable for the vocal
11:08 Kyle Y: 00:27:655 (3) - del
11:08 Kyle Y: 00:28:359 -
http://puu.sh/iX9kl/2ff6caa893.jpg11:09 Kyle Y: 00:31:171 (2) - oh ... you should follow ds in EZ and NM also
11:11 Kyle Y: 00:43:125 - use 1 beat slider here
11:11 Kyle Y: 00:46:405 (4,5) - del and add a circle at 00:46:874 -
11:12 Kyle Y: 00:49:452 (1,2,3) - slider
11:12 Kyle Y: 00:50:624 - um... not suitable you know
11:12 Kyle Y: 00:50:859 (1,2) - slider
11:12 Kyle Y: I think 3,4 is okay
11:13 Kyle Y: 00:52:734 (1,2) - avoid using that cruve slider
11:13 Kyle Y: 00:54:609 (3) - use circle and del 00:56:015 (4) -
11:15 Kyle Y: 00:57:655 (4) - this is 1/3 also, If I listen correctly 00:59:530 (3) - also
11:16 Kyle Y: oh.. 00:59:530 (3) - maybe 1/4?
11:16 Kyle Y: 01:00:234 - 1/2 beat slider here
11:17 Kyle Y: 01:02:460 (1) - ^
11:17 Kyle Y: 01:03:046 (3,4) - slider
11:17 Kyle Y: 01:03:984 (5) - nc here
11:19 Kyle Y: 01:12:655 (6) -
http://puu.sh/iX9U4/a54810b2e8.jpg11:19 Kyle Y: maybe that;s all
11:23 Kyle Y: tell me if you okay for starboard
11:23 Kyle Y: if you are really*
11:23 MokouSmoke: yeah ready
11:24 Kyle Y: okay
11:24 Kyle Y: first, your starboard diff, is it a hard diff or insane?
11:24 MokouSmoke: in between
11:24 MokouSmoke: light insane?
11:24 Kyle Y: Light Insane?
11:24 Kyle Y: okay..
11:25 Kyle Y:
http://puu.sh/iXaes/e3622dc24d.jpg11:25 Kyle Y: use this setting
11:25 Kyle Y: CS 4 is enought
11:25 Kyle Y: enough *
11:27 Kyle Y: btw, don't you feel weird when you playtest it?
11:28 MokouSmoke: because of CS?
11:29 Kyle Y: um... it maybe use I seldom play cs>4 song
11:29 Kyle Y: maybe the flowing?
11:30 Kyle Y: maybe it is a low bpm song, then you may not think it
11:30 MokouSmoke: i probably played it too much and got used to it
11:30 Kyle Y: okay..
11:31 Kyle Y: you properly can ask for playtest in #modhelp
11:31 Kyle Y: normally seldom use CS>4
11:31 *Kyle Y is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/356658 marina - Towa yori Towa ni]
11:31 Kyle Y: for Expert song, it still CS3
11:31 Kyle Y: CS4
11:32 MokouSmoke: i tried smaller CS for lower bpm song
11:32 MokouSmoke: but maybe i change
11:33 Kyle Y: 128 not as low as 8X
11:33 Kyle Y: but some of the 8X bpm looks like 16X bpm
11:34 Kyle Y: you are new for mapping right?
11:34 MokouSmoke: yes
11:35 Kyle Y: have you read the post about flowing/ slider draw ?
11:36 MokouSmoke: yes
11:36 Kyle Y: [https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/86329 flowing] [https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/208596 slider drawing] [https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Mapping_Techniques Mapping Techniques]
11:36 Kyle Y: but some of the flowing really..
11:36 MokouSmoke: i don't want constant perfect flow though
11:36 MokouSmoke: change flow to emphasize vocals
11:37 Kyle Y: um...
11:37 Kyle Y: good flowing = easier to play
11:38 Kyle Y: 00:01:171 (3) - poor flowing here
11:39 Kyle Y:
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/3380997 at least should be this
11:40 Kyle Y: 00:23:202 (2) - this also
11:41 Kyle Y: 00:34:452 (1) - start at 00:34:101 -
11:41 Kyle Y: 00:38:437 (3,4) - poor flow also
11:42 Kyle Y: 00:44:765 (4) - ctrl +g
11:42 Kyle Y: 00:45:234 (1,2,3,4) - suggest: 1->4->3->2
11:43 Kyle Y: 00:51:913 (2) - no 1/4 sound here
11:43 MokouSmoke: ?
11:43 Kyle Y: 00:56:484 - here is the place for increase SV ..
11:44 Kyle Y: which one?
11:44 MokouSmoke: 00:51:913 (2) - what's wrong with this?
11:44 Kyle Y: there is no 1/4 sound here
11:45 Kyle Y: if you add a notes here, and it is overmapping
11:45 MokouSmoke: there's piano
11:45 MokouSmoke: but ok
11:45 Kyle Y: if you think there is piano sound, then skip this modding is okay\
11:46 Kyle Y: 01:15:234 (7,8) - why don't you use jumping here..
11:47 Kyle Y: 01:16:640 (1,2) - also
11:47 Kyle Y: 01:24:609 - missing here
11:47 Kyle Y: 01:26:015 (4,5) - ds..
11:47 Kyle Y: that's all?
11:48 MokouSmoke: ok thank you very much! <3
11:48 MokouSmoke: i try all your changes
11:48 Kyle Y: um... If you follow me setting, then you basically need to remap it..
11:49 Kyle Y: that's mean change for CS