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P*Light feat. yukacco - Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix)

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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015 m. lapkričio 12 d. at 14:29:40

Artist: P*Light feat. yukacco
Title: Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix)
Tags: drum and & bass dnb liquicity marathon
BPM: 175
Filesize: 9743kb
Play Time: 05:11
Difficulties Available:
  1. Galaxy of Dreams (5,44 stars, 1196 notes)
Download: P*Light feat. yukacco - Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix)
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Midget
krc have my two cents.

Pro mapper modding right here
00:05:406 (4,5,1) - the swirly slider doesnt work well with the jump imo it also has an fugly overlap with the other slider in the next combo.
00:08:835 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - the blanketing gap is different from the start of the song. If it's the same it looks much better.
00:15:006 (5,6) - the slider doesnt flow well with the circle try this - http://gyazo.com/212582dd91b763d90814c53cefabe5e4
00:17:235 (2,3) - ^^^
00:21:006 (1) - Holy eww just make it round and not a kolbasa
00:22:035 (4) - try a curved slider like this - http://gyazo.com/2376b673c8ae294bfa0373285d8326e9
00:32:320 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - a bad combo in my opinion try remaking it.
00:47:577 (3,4,5) - would look much more beautiful if both sliders would be lygiagretus (insert english skills here)
00:54:092 (2,3,4,5,6) - jump between 3 and 4 is well crooked or something fix it like this - http://gyazo.com/644396907e2e4c53a061a3fa05b093a5
01:00:092 (1,2,3,4) - crooked kvadrat pattern is ew just saying
01:19:292 (1) - change this man it doesnt look good when the slider is that short
01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5) - unnecessary snapping change, I can hear the grills pitch gets higher but it' shouldnt be like this if you want you can make 1through2 a slider
01:29:406 (1,2,3,4) - unnecessary snapping change, I can hear the grills pitch gets higher but it' shouldnt be like this if you want you can make 1through2 a slider
01:29:920 (4,5) - Line it up with the follow point so it looks pretty like this - http://gyazo.com/a2285a66fbdba2e3aca4c284b5580a63
01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - snapping change
01:35:920 (4) - no need for this slider.
01:39:177 (1) - maybe a little slower slider velocity change seems too fast
01:46:377 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - bad jump into an ugly stream. maybe this? - http://gyazo.com/93bb4edbcdf98b39cb71357d800f2d1f
01:46:892 (7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this whole thing is in such a weird sport would be much nicer if it was in the middle or close to it? Also wouldnt say it fits during this part of the song - maybe change this part and put it in a different section during the kiai but wider?
02:12:092 (1,2,3,4) - doesnt play well at all - doesnt this look nice? - http://gyazo.com/01f1dee4f0fdaafc20e4e45cf53efff1
02:15:177 (3,4) - fix shit like this it will look really good i promise - its scrambled all around the song. -


WOW lost my net for the night in the middle of this mod so thats all i got for now.
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Midget wrote:

krc have my two cents.

Pro mapper modding right here
00:05:406 (4,5,1) - the swirly slider doesnt work well with the jump imo it also has an fugly overlap with the other slider in the next combo. changed
00:08:835 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2) - the blanketing gap is different from the start of the song. If it's the same it looks much better. Idk
00:15:006 (5,6) - the slider doesnt flow well with the circle try this - http://gyazo.com/212582dd91b763d90814c53cefabe5e4 yep
00:17:235 (2,3) - ^^^ changed
00:21:006 (1) - Holy eww just make it round and not a kolbasa but I like dešrainis changed
00:22:035 (4) - try a curved slider like this - http://gyazo.com/2376b673c8ae294bfa0373285d8326e9 ok
00:32:320 (2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - a bad combo in my opinion try remaking it. not sure what's wrong with it
00:47:577 (3,4,5) - would look much more beautiful if both sliders would be lygiagretus (insert english skills here) yes
00:54:092 (2,3,4,5,6) - jump between 3 and 4 is well crooked or something fix it like this - http://gyazo.com/644396907e2e4c53a061a3fa05b093a5 rotated
01:00:092 (1,2,3,4) - crooked kvadrat pattern is ew just saying : )
01:19:292 (1) - change this man it doesnt look good when the slider is that short I'll change when I figure out what to do with it
01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5) - unnecessary snapping change, I can hear the grills pitch gets higher but it' shouldnt be like this if you want you can make 1through2 a slider what's wrong with it?
01:29:406 (1,2,3,4) - unnecessary snapping change, I can hear the grills pitch gets higher but it' shouldnt be like this if you want you can make 1through2 a slider ^
01:29:920 (4,5) - Line it up with the follow point so it looks pretty like this - http://gyazo.com/a2285a66fbdba2e3aca4c284b5580a63 aka fix triangle
01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - snapping change stronger part spaced
01:35:920 (4) - no need for this slider. Would be strange if I mapped it everywhere else and not here
01:39:177 (1) - maybe a little slower slider velocity change seems too fast nah, it's perfect
01:46:377 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - bad jump into an ugly stream. maybe this? - http://gyazo.com/93bb4edbcdf98b39cb71357d800f2d1f changed
01:46:892 (7,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - this whole thing is in such a weird sport would be much nicer if it was in the middle or close to it? Also wouldnt say it fits during this part of the song - maybe change this part and put it in a different section during the kiai but wider? it's much different from kiai and there's only one tripple that is off center?
02:12:092 (1,2,3,4) - doesnt play well at all - doesnt this look nice? - http://gyazo.com/01f1dee4f0fdaafc20e4e45cf53efff1 yep, much better.
02:15:177 (3,4) - fix shit like this it will look really good i promise - its scrambled all around the song. - yeh will try chaning those


WOW lost my net for the night in the middle of this mod so thats all i got for now.
thank you for modding 8-)
Kuki
irc brutha

SPOILER
2015-06-03 20:15 Strategas: yo, do you still mod?
2015-06-03 20:15 Kuki: yeah of course
2015-06-03 20:16 Strategas: maybe you're up for it?
2015-06-03 20:17 Kuki: sure
2015-06-03 20:17 Strategas: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/704637 P*Light ft. Yukacco - Stargazer (Dj Shimamura Remix)]
2015-06-03 20:17 Strategas: mb testplay first?
2015-06-03 20:17 Kuki: sure lol
2015-06-03 20:17 Kuki: I already did vinxis' set tho so i might not do the whole set
2015-06-03 20:17 Kuki: or is it just long ver?
2015-06-03 20:18 Kuki: ah
2015-06-03 20:18 Strategas: ah he does this song too right.
2015-06-03 20:18 Strategas: it's 5 min
2015-06-03 20:21 Strategas: one diff
2015-06-03 20:23 Kuki: it's pretty good
2015-06-03 20:23 Kuki: start flow is amazing
2015-06-03 20:24 Kuki: first 10 seconds is heaven
2015-06-03 20:24 Strategas: oh?
2015-06-03 20:25 Kuki: yeah
2015-06-03 20:25 Kuki: it's really good dude
2015-06-03 20:25 Strategas: so were there any paterns that troubled you?
2015-06-03 20:25 Kuki: 01:07:292 (3,2) - I don't like these
2015-06-03 20:25 Strategas: or were cancer to play
2015-06-03 20:25 Kuki: the second one is uncomfortable to play and the shape itself isn't that amazing
2015-06-03 20:25 Strategas: y
2015-06-03 20:25 Kuki: you can probably do more there
2015-06-03 20:26 Strategas: probably
2015-06-03 20:26 Strategas: just slider shapes uhh
2015-06-03 20:26 Strategas: not my thing
2015-06-03 20:27 Kuki: If you want
2015-06-03 20:27 Kuki: I could do some?
2015-06-03 20:27 Kuki: slider shapes are my thing
2015-06-03 20:27 Kuki: lmao
2015-06-03 20:27 Strategas: yeah, I'd appreciate it
2015-06-03 20:27 Strategas: lots
2015-06-03 20:28 Strategas: 01:19:292 (1,1) -
2015-06-03 20:28 Strategas: ant maybe you have idea about these
2015-06-03 20:28 Kuki: those were fine to play
2015-06-03 20:29 Kuki: and they look nice aesthetics wise
2015-06-03 20:29 Kuki: and structure wise too
2015-06-03 20:29 Kuki: since you have it repeating later
2015-06-03 20:29 Kuki: in the section
2015-06-03 20:29 Strategas: k, I thought it didn't look too well so just asked
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: 01:37:635 (1) - this could do with being extended to the white tick
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: 01:38:492 (2) - copy this shape to add structure maybe?
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: imo that fits nicer but your choice
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: there was one stack
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: that was impossible to read
2015-06-03 20:30 Kuki: trying to find it
2015-06-03 20:31 Strategas: the extending won't work I think
2015-06-03 20:31 Strategas: the vocal ends there
2015-06-03 20:31 Strategas: on red
2015-06-03 20:32 Kuki: mmmmmm
2015-06-03 20:32 Kuki: debatable
2015-06-03 20:32 Kuki: since echo
2015-06-03 20:32 Kuki: and she breathes on the white tick which reinforces you end it there
2015-06-03 20:34 Strategas: hmmm
2015-06-03 20:34 Strategas: aye
2015-06-03 20:34 Strategas: and I should probably make it the same shape as slider after?
2015-06-03 20:36 Kuki: i think yeah
2015-06-03 20:42 Kuki: Apart from that nothing really
2015-06-03 20:42 Kuki: I like the map
2015-06-03 20:42 Kuki: mmmm
2015-06-03 20:42 Kuki: these though
2015-06-03 20:42 Kuki: 03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
2015-06-03 20:43 Kuki: hmm
2015-06-03 20:43 Strategas: yes?
2015-06-03 20:43 Kuki: on closer inspection they do fit
2015-06-03 20:43 Kuki: but idk about the sliders
2015-06-03 20:44 Strategas: just wanted variety
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: yeah
2015-06-03 20:44 Strategas: and it kinda has a small stream in background
2015-06-03 20:44 Strategas: so idk
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: yeah I hear that
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: maybe hitsound?
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: so volume for the quiet parts are quiet on the sliders?
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: then it could work
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: but otherwise idk mann
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: but yeah
2015-06-03 20:44 Strategas: k
2015-06-03 20:44 Strategas: I'll do that
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: that one stacked note threw me off tons
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: was a big problem
2015-06-03 20:44 Kuki: but I can't find it
2015-06-03 20:45 Kuki: lol
2015-06-03 20:45 Strategas: which part
2015-06-03 20:45 Strategas: end start?
2015-06-03 20:45 Strategas: I will probably find
2015-06-03 20:45 Kuki: I have no idea lmao
2015-06-03 20:45 Kuki: your map felt really fast
2015-06-03 20:45 Kuki: I can't gague time lol
2015-06-03 20:45 Strategas: ah
2015-06-03 20:46 Strategas: sv in kiai
2015-06-03 20:46 Strategas: is intense :D
2015-06-03 20:46 Strategas: well
2015-06-03 20:46 Strategas: was it stacked tripple
2015-06-03 20:46 Strategas: or just two singles
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: nah
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: it was a single note
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: under a slider
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: I don't mean fast to play
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: I mean like
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: time went fast while playing
2015-06-03 20:47 Kuki: lol
2015-06-03 20:48 Kuki: but yeah one stacked note in there
2015-06-03 20:50 Strategas: 00:24:092 (2,3) - ?
2015-06-03 20:50 Strategas: or was it like an overlap in the middle
2015-06-03 20:50 Strategas: of nowhere
2015-06-03 20:50 Strategas: I mean not on slider start/end
2015-06-03 20:50 Strategas: just somewhere
2015-06-03 20:50 Kuki: nah that's fine
2015-06-03 20:51 Kuki: it was overlap on start/end
2015-06-03 20:51 Kuki: I think it was a jump
UltraRik
Hello from my queue! ^^

Overall
I would set HP to 7 and OD to 8.

Some jumps felt a bit off, while others felt spot on, you can see
my replay for additional feedback, if you like: https://www.dropbox.com/s/56ttnksjqec50 ... u.osr?dl=0

Insane
00:08:149 (4) - Move up-left to make zig-zag jumps ^^
00:31:120 (3) - Move up?
01:00:092 (1) - Move next to 00:59:749 (2) - for flows sake?
01:01:292 (2,3,4) - I'd change this pattern, feels weird
01:10:035 (2) - All sliders are next to each other, but here you suddenly jump from 1's end to 2?
01:28:892 (3) - Move somewhere around x:320 y:195
01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps feel like left-to-right imo, or maybe a star
02:14:492 (5) - Make go from left to right?
02:17:577 (1,2,3,4,5) - Different pattern please :3


A really nice and fun map, but I feel it needs more work!
Hope this helped, Good luck ^^
Topic Starter
Strategas

UltraRik wrote:

Hello from my queue! ^^

Overall
I would set HP to 7 and OD to 8. Hp is set low for testing purposes. Reduced od.

Some jumps felt a bit off, while others felt spot on, you can see
my replay for additional feedback, if you like: https://www.dropbox.com/s/56ttnksjqec50 ... u.osr?dl=0 alright thanks for replay, will consider changing object placements a bit.

Insane
00:08:149 (4) - Move up-left to make zig-zag jumps ^^ works
00:31:120 (3) - Move up? better
01:00:092 (1) - Move next to 00:59:749 (2) - for flows sake? rotated the square instead
01:01:292 (2,3,4) - I'd change this pattern, feels weird changed
01:10:035 (2) - All sliders are next to each other, but here you suddenly jump from 1's end to 2? Sliders will be remade abit later
01:28:892 (3) - Move somewhere around x:320 y:195 If I move this away then I have to move 01:29:749 (3) - away too. Will consider this later.
01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps feel like left-to-right imo, or maybe a star changed to star
02:14:492 (5) - Make go from left to right? I want to keep the flow here
02:17:577 (1,2,3,4,5) - Different pattern please :3 Will keep for now will change if more people request changing.


A really nice and fun map, but I feel it needs more work!
Hope this helped, Good luck ^^
Thank you for your input, appreciate it! 8-)
HappyRocket88


General

Overall, you have mapped a very nice marathon But, I'm not sure if it could be consideres as one according to Ranking Criteria the mapset should be 5:00 minutes drain. and your map is 4:59 minutes drain. How curious! xD Buy, that's just a suggestion. Let's see what other modders say. Here, I append a list of stuffs you should considering to keep in your mind while mapping.
  1. I think you're not caring about the DS that it's in 0.8, So I suggest to increase it above 1.3x or something.
  2. I'm not sure if the HP drain was intentional but I'd rather increasi it until 6 or 7.

Insane


Rhythm of the hit objects
  1. 00:21:006 (1) As you finish this slider in a bluw tick I consider it wouldn't hur if you add a note here 00:21:006 (1) to have a consistency in the rhytmn
  2. 00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) Why the sudden stream here. It doesn't seem to fit with the song. I mean, what were you following at that part? Don't you think that would have fitted better here 00:36:092 ?
  3. 02:47:920 (2,4) The circle should be in the head of the slider 4.
  4. 04:14:320 (2,4) Should be at the same place.

Slider shapes
  1. 01:07:292 (3) - 01:10:035 (2) - I'm not sure about that slider shapes. They look pretty weird for this song. Maybe they flow well but considr changing a little bit.

Blanket's stuffs
  1. 00:29:577 (2) Ctrl + H to make a symmetric pattern here.

Hitsounds
  1. 02:36:777 (1,3,6) Set the sliders at whistles at the kiai time.

That's all I can do for you in this marathon. Hope it will help. Good luck with your map. Awesome music. n.n7
Topic Starter
Strategas

HappyRocket88 wrote:



General

Overall, you have mapped a very nice marathon But, I'm not sure if it could be consideres as one according to Ranking Criteria the mapset should be 5:00 minutes drain. and your map is 4:59 minutes drain. How curious! xD Buy, that's just a suggestion. Let's see what other modders say. Here, I append a list of stuffs you should considering to keep in your mind while mapping. In the past I saw below 5 min maps approved, but if it won't work with mine I'll just make adjustments
  1. I think you're not caring about the DS that it's in 0.8, So I suggest to increase it above 1.3x or something. I think everything is okay, you could give some examples if I missed something
  2. I'm not sure if the HP drain was intentional but I'd rather increasi it until 6 or 7 yeh just temporary low drain.


Insane


Rhythm of the hit objects
  1. 00:21:006 (1) As you finish this slider in a bluw tick I consider it wouldn't hur if you add a note here 00:21:006 (1) to have a consistency in the rhytmn I'm confused I think you linked me wrong note lol
  2. 00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) Why the sudden stream here. It doesn't seem to fit with the song. I mean, what were you following at that part? Don't you think that would have fitted better here 00:36:092 ? A new sounds appears there that is much more supperior to the one at 00:36:092
  3. 02:47:920 (2,4) The circle should be in the head of the slider 4. I'll consider changing if more people agree since this overlap isn't that bad
  4. 04:14:320 (2,4) Should be at the same place. ^

Slider shapes
  1. 01:07:292 (3) - 01:10:035 (2) - I'm not sure about that slider shapes. They look pretty weird for this song. Maybe they flow well but considr changing a little bit. Yeah I'll change them at a later date

Blanket's stuffs
  1. 00:29:577 (2) Ctrl + H to make a symmetric pattern here. Agreed

Hitsounds
  1. 02:36:777 (1,3,6) Set the sliders at whistles at the kiai time. Not a fan of whistles on whole slider, but will consider

That's all I can do for you in this marathon. Hope it will help. Good luck with your map. Awesome music. n.n7
Thank you for your time, good luck with modding the following maps! 8-)
Hard
Hi there. Mod from my queue

[diff]

  1. 00:05:235 (3,4,5) - i think this pattern is a bit poorly performed and also breaks the flow from 4 -> 5 how about you add a nice back-and forth motion that compliments the kicks in the music and also makes the flow interesting:
  2. 00:08:149 (4) - i suggest you curve to the other side. so put this circle a bit down
  3. 00:19:806 (2,3) - i suggest you ctrl + g this for flow reasons
  4. 00:25:463 (3,4) - again how about you make a pattern like i suggested at 00:05:235 (3,4,5)
  5. 00:27:692 (7,1) - the motion of the pen/mouse will go up because of the speed from the triangle. so i think you should place the slider ABOVE 1
  6. 00:30:092 (4,5) - again ctrl + g for flow reasons
  7. 00:39:177 (3) - how about you make it like this for flow and playability and readability: either do this or add a litte jump for the slider after this with ctrl + g at 00:39:349 (4) -
  8. 02:24:435 (1,2) - ctrl + g for flow reasons again. this way you get nice circular flow and the slider afterwards also benefits from this
  9. 04:54:949 (7) - ctrl + g for flow again
Topic Starter
Strategas

Hard wrote:

Hi there. Mod from my queue

[diff]

  1. 00:05:235 (3,4,5) - i think this pattern is a bit poorly performed and also breaks the flow from 4 -> 5 how about you add a nice back-and forth motion that compliments the kicks in the music and also makes the flow interesting: looks good
  2. 00:08:149 (4) - i suggest you curve to the other side. so put this circle a bit down restored to how it was then
  3. 00:19:806 (2,3) - i suggest you ctrl + g this for flow reasons made it even different
  4. 00:25:463 (3,4) - again how about you make a pattern like i suggested at 00:05:235 (3,4,5) yeah
  5. 00:27:692 (7,1) - the motion of the pen/mouse will go up because of the speed from the triangle. so i think you should place the slider ABOVE 1 yeah changed
  6. 00:30:092 (4,5) - again ctrl + g for flow reasons done
  7. 00:39:177 (3) - how about you make it like this for flow and playability and readability: ok either do this or add a litte jump for the slider after this with ctrl + g at 00:39:349 (4) - lets keep the flow if we already made it flowy, no need to destroy it
  8. 02:24:435 (1,2) - ctrl + g for flow reasons again. this way you get nice circular flow and the slider afterwards also benefits from this yeah, also moved a bit
  9. 04:54:949 (7) - ctrl + g for flow again very good
Thank you for mod, was quite helpful removing some flow issues, appreciate it! 8-)
Magenta
From queue!

00:01:463 (4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - All of this feels repetitive as it seems like it's just one circle over and over. Maybe use this pattern 00:05:235 (3,4,5) - early on as well to vary it a little? Some thing like below maybe? Ctrl+G 00:02:835 (4) - and 00:03:692 (4) -


00:28:892 (5,1,2) - I think Ctrl+G, Rotate by -65* and move down makes the (3, 4, 5) flow better. Move the (5) to stack on 00:29:920 (3) -

00:30:606 (1) - Ctrl-G feels better with the previous circle.
00:30:949 (2,4) - I like these stacked on the slider end. It gives some variation to the previous 30s.

00:44:320 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Again feels very repetitive motion wise, with the constant circle movements. Maybe stack 00:46:377 (3,5) - these 2 on each other. 00:47:406 (2,4) - Stack these on slider ends. 00:48:949 (4) - Stack this on 00:48:606 (2) - . These are just some suggestions to give it some variation, but play around and see what you like.

02:12:092 (1) - until 02:53:063 (9) - Circle motions again all through this section. It's not as bad in the 2nd kiai time, but it's still there. Repeat what I've said above. Only need to add some small variations to break up the circle motions, nothing major.

02:53:235 (1) - until End This is all good, you don't have continuous circle motions. Use some of what you've done here in the previous section to break up the repetitiveness.

Overall it's a fun map!
Topic Starter
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Magenta wrote:

From queue!

00:01:463 (4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - All of this feels repetitive as it seems like it's just one circle over and over. Maybe use this pattern 00:05:235 (3,4,5) - early on as well to vary it a little? Some thing like below maybe? Ctrl+G 00:02:835 (4) - and 00:03:692 (4) - it might be repetitive but it has decent flow and it's not that intense, so don't really need to force rotations or big jumps.


00:28:892 (5,1,2) - I think Ctrl+G, Rotate by -65* and move down makes the (3, 4, 5) flow better. Move the (5) to stack on 00:29:920 (3) - yeah, the flow isn't the best, remade the patern in a different way

00:30:606 (1) - Ctrl-G feels better with the previous circle. Since I changed the patern before I don't think it still works now
00:30:949 (2,4) - I like these stacked on the slider end. It gives some variation to the previous 30s. This is already a different patern from the previous ones and making them on slider end doesn't really play well I think.

00:44:320 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - Again feels very repetitive motion wise, with the constant circle movements. Maybe stack 00:46:377 (3,5) - these 2 on each other. 00:47:406 (2,4) - Stack these on slider ends. 00:48:949 (4) - Stack this on 00:48:606 (2) - . These are just some suggestions to give it some variation, but play around and see what you like. Yeah, I made those triangles more back and forth.

02:12:092 (1) - until 02:53:063 (9) - Circle motions again all through this section. It's not as bad in the 2nd kiai time, but it's still there. Repeat what I've said above. Only need to add some small variations to break up the circle motions, nothing major. Changed a bit of the paterns from circular to triangle / back and forth. Will try to look them up again and remake some later.

02:53:235 (1) - until End This is all good, you don't have continuous circle motions. Use some of what you've done here in the previous section to break up the repetitiveness. Yeah, should probably steal my own paterns there to put them earlier

Overall it's a fun map!
Thanks for working with me, I'm glad you liked the map, good luck in the future 8-)
Ciyus Miapah
hi there
looks im gonna mod this song again (why many people map this song lol). but whatever, different people different style~

General:
turn off letterbox on breaks just for something lol
here use this sample pack. this contains fixed muted hitsounding and something (yeah it same file i edit so you can use this)
02:54:949 - duplicated inheritted timing points , must delete this

Insane:
00:49:806 (1) - looks this slider shape needs to be polished a bit
01:15:520 (3) - this waypoint is offscree i cant even touch that waypoint so consider move this slider to down (waypoint in here is y-83 its too much off screen if you ctrl+J it)
01:19:292 (1) - this looks overmapped at slow parts (but you did it at other parts ;_;)
01:30:092 (5,3) - oh this overlap, consider move 01:30:777 (3) - to right a bit
01:33:692 (1,1) - spam combo isnt good at all ;_; (so remove combo from 01:34:377 (1) - )
01:49:377 - made triplet pattern here (you need to reconstruct notes placement a bit for better flow)
02:19:463 (4,5) - this pattern looks uncommon on this kiai (probably this pattern only have one the rest is triplets and some 1/2 notes) so change 1/4 slider to triplets or something else for better consistency
02:33:349 (3) - why no new combo this notes? probably this notes better to newcombo because this anti jump quite confusing lol
03:16:377 (1) - silence slider end please, sounds so awkward (use soft default sample)
03:17:235 (1) - S a m e ^
03:43:635 (5,6,7,8) - change this to 03:42:606 (1,2,3,4) - then ctrl+h it (looks pretty good i think)
03:52:892 (5,1) - this sliders shape curved too sharp (make like this slider 03:52:206 (1) - i think)
03:59:577 (6,1,2) - use constant distance snapping for this please (like Prev.: 2.30x next: 2.30x)
04:20:663 (6) - you can ctrl+g it for add more jumps for 04:21:006 (1) - since this notes quite strong for it
05:07:463 (1,1) - use soft default sample for silence this notes more

good luck for this!
Topic Starter
Strategas

Fort wrote:

hi there
looks im gonna mod this song again (why many people map this song lol). but whatever, different people different style~ Idk I listened to this song when it got released like back in 2012, just remembered it recently and then I see lots of people mapping it too wtf.

General:
turn off letterbox on breaks just for something lol ok
here use this sample pack. this contains fixed muted hitsounding and something (yeah it same file i edit so you can use this) thanks
02:54:949 - duplicated inheritted timing points , must delete this ouch, I guess I missed that one

Insane:
00:49:806 (1) - looks this slider shape needs to be polished a bit yeah changed it, note sure if good enough
01:15:520 (3) - this waypoint is offscree i cant even touch that waypoint so consider move this slider to down (waypoint in here is y-83 its too much off screen if you ctrl+J it) Moved it a little down, but I can't seem to find a good place for it not to be so offscreen
01:19:292 (1) - this looks overmapped at slow parts (but you did it at other parts ;_;) it follows the breathing ( but I'm unsure if you can map that lol )
01:30:092 (5,3) - oh this overlap, consider move 01:30:777 (3) - to right a bit yep
01:33:692 (1,1) - spam combo isnt good at all ;_; (so remove combo from 01:34:377 (1) - ) yes
01:49:377 - made triplet pattern here (you need to reconstruct notes placement a bit for better flow) I think it's ok, there's nothing to put that tripple on aswell.
02:19:463 (4,5) - this pattern looks uncommon on this kiai (probably this pattern only have one the rest is triplets and some 1/2 notes) so change 1/4 slider to triplets or something else for better consistency will leave it how it is for now
02:33:349 (3) - why no new combo this notes? probably this notes better to newcombo because this anti jump quite confusing lol agreed
03:16:377 (1) - silence slider end please, sounds so awkward (use soft default sample) it's silenced already , but if it makes it more quiet then ok
03:17:235 (1) - S a m e ^ ^
03:43:635 (5,6,7,8) - change this to 03:42:606 (1,2,3,4) - then ctrl+h it (looks pretty good i think) I made it even in a different way now
03:52:892 (5,1) - this sliders shape curved too sharp (make like this slider 03:52:206 (1) - i think) ok
03:59:577 (6,1,2) - use constant distance snapping for this please (like Prev.: 2.30x next: 2.30x) k
04:20:663 (6) - you can ctrl+g it for add more jumps for 04:21:006 (1) - since this notes quite strong for it ok
05:07:463 (1,1) - use soft default sample for silence this notes more ok

good luck for this!
Thanks for mod, was really helpful 8-)
Iceskulls
[general]
  1. unnecessary osb file in song folder , better delete it
  2. AIBat v3.1 wrote:

    Snapping
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (end).
    04:45:477 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    04:45:477 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).

    Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at:
    00:21:002 - snap to 00:21:006
    00:21:602 - snap to 00:21:606
    00:21:688 - snap to 00:21:692
    00:22:288 - snap to 00:22:292
    00:22:373 - snap to 00:22:377
  3. combo colour 1 and 2 looks pretty similiar , would be better to make it looks a bit more different , this got popped becuase of that reason
[insane]
  • nc feel a bit inconsistent , I suggest you to nc every downbeat ( big white tick ) , it works
  1. 00:16:892 (1,2,3,4) - try place like this ? I think that make flow here a bit better imo
  2. 00:32:835 (4,5) - I think spacing here should be a bit bigger than 00:32:663 (3,4) - so it would make sense with the music more , 00:33:006 - sound more emphasized than 00:32:835 - so try move (4) to around x152 y168 ? the overlap is fine tho
  3. 00:49:635 (8,1) - flow would be better if you increase spacing here a bit imo , try move (1) to around x208 y44
  4. 00:50:492 (3,4) - , 00:51:006 (6,1) - these play a bit awkward imo , I would go with triplet instead since it fit the song better
  5. 00:54:606 (6,7,8) - try to make spacing consistent for better flow
  6. 01:06:263 - to 01:16:549 - I think those extended slider kinda not really play good imo , I can hear beat on white tick and red tick so why map the blue tick I don't think it make things fun here and a bit sound not great imo so you would try to consider those extended sliders
  7. 01:28:549 (1,2,3) - better make spacing consistent for better flow
  8. 01:29:406 (1,2,3) - same ^
  9. 01:40:720 (2,3,4) - try to make spacing consistent for better flow
  10. 02:24:777 (3,4) - flow here is pretty weird imo , try move (4) to around x381 y44
  11. 02:37:806 (5,6) - flow can be improved here , I would fix slider here a bit tho , pattern suggestion
  12. 02:39:863 (2) - (nazi) move this to around x240 y192 would make flow here 02:39:520 (1,2,3) - better
  13. 02:45:692 (3,4) - triplet would fit this better , the current rhythm sound weird imo
  14. 03:16:206 (9) - (nazi) move this to around x308 y362 for better flow here 03:15:864 (7,8,9,1) -
  15. 04:11:749 (2) - curve the another way so it would make flow here 04:11:406 (1,2) - better imo
hmm I think flow and spacing can be improved a bit

good luck , have fun mapping :)
Topic Starter
Strategas

CelsiusLK wrote:

[general]
  1. unnecessary osb file in song folder , better delete it
  2. AIBat v3.1 wrote:

    Snapping
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    01:06:006 (1) - Unsnapped slider (end).
    04:45:477 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).
    04:45:477 (1) - Unsnapped slider (repeat).

    Unsnapped inherited (green) sections at:
    00:21:002 - snap to 00:21:006
    00:21:602 - snap to 00:21:606
    00:21:688 - snap to 00:21:692
    00:22:288 - snap to 00:22:292
    00:22:373 - snap to 00:22:377
    fixed all
  3. combo colour 1 and 2 looks pretty similiar , would be better to make it looks a bit more different , this got popped becuase of that reason moved around
[insane]
  • nc feel a bit inconsistent , I suggest you to nc every downbeat ( big white tick ) , I think even if they are inconsistent, they make sense
  1. 00:16:892 (1,2,3,4) - try place like this ? I think that make flow here a bit better imo It's played in linear flow even when the sliders are curved, I already tried that before and it doesn't play well
  2. 00:32:835 (4,5) - I think spacing here should be a bit bigger than 00:32:663 (3,4) - so it would make sense with the music more , 00:33:006 - sound more emphasized than 00:32:835 - so try move (4) to around x152 y168 ? the overlap is fine tho moved the 5 down instead
  3. 00:49:635 (8,1) - flow would be better if you increase spacing here a bit imo , try move (1) to around x208 y44 ok
  4. 00:50:492 (3,4) - , 00:51:006 (6,1) - these play a bit awkward imo , I would go with triplet instead since it fit the song better it's ok, it fits the small wub, but I will consider
  5. 00:54:606 (6,7,8) - try to make spacing consistent for better flow ok
  6. 01:06:263 - to 01:16:549 - I think those extended slider kinda not really play good imo , I can hear beat on white tick and red tick so why map the blue tick I don't think it make things fun here and a bit sound not great imo so you would try to consider those extended sliders I tried following one specific sound during that part, but yes I will consider shortening them.
  7. 01:28:549 (1,2,3) - better make spacing consistent for better flow what have I done
  8. 01:29:406 (1,2,3) - same ^ ^
  9. 01:40:720 (2,3,4) - try to make spacing consistent for better flow ok
  10. 02:24:777 (3,4) - flow here is pretty weird imo , try move (4) to around x381 y44 ok
  11. 02:37:806 (5,6) - flow can be improved here , I would fix slider here a bit tho , pattern suggestion ok
  12. 02:39:863 (2) - (nazi) move this to around x240 y192 would make flow here 02:39:520 (1,2,3) - better ok
  13. 02:45:692 (3,4) - triplet would fit this better , the current rhythm sound weird imo I like it this way and I'm not sure what you mean by better rhythm if the sound is same
  14. 03:16:206 (9) - (nazi) move this to around x308 y362 for better flow here 03:15:864 (7,8,9,1) - ok
  15. 04:11:749 (2) - curve the another way so it would make flow here 04:11:406 (1,2) - better imo I'll keep it how it is cause of 04:11:749 (2,3) - flow
hmm I think flow and spacing can be improved a bit there's no limits to improve a map

good luck , have fun mapping :)
Thanks for the mod, helped quite a lot, good luck to you too! 8-)
Spaghetti
Staaagaaayzaaaaa
2015-06-28 13:23 Spaghetti: nice map
2015-06-28 13:23 Spaghetti: I like it
2015-06-28 13:23 Spaghetti: ACTION is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/704637 P*Light ft. Yukacco - Stargazer (Dj Shimamura Remix)]
2015-06-28 13:24 Spaghetti: change "ft." to "feat." and uncapitalize "yukacco"
2015-06-28 13:25 Strategas: yo
2015-06-28 13:25 Spaghetti: o/
2015-06-28 13:25 Strategas: weirdos japanese ppl
2015-06-28 13:25 Spaghetti: yeah lol
2015-06-28 13:25 Strategas: uncapitalized names
2015-06-28 13:25 Strategas: the fuck
2015-06-28 13:25 Spaghetti: I like your version
2015-06-28 13:25 Spaghetti: It moves a lot more than mine\
2015-06-28 13:26 Strategas: I played yours
2015-06-28 13:26 Strategas: it felt easier
2015-06-28 13:26 Strategas: but more stars
2015-06-28 13:26 Strategas: so confusing
2015-06-28 13:26 Spaghetti: Exactly what I was just about to say
2015-06-28 13:26 Spaghetti: lol
2015-06-28 13:26 Strategas: hope yours get ranked :D
2015-06-28 13:26 Spaghetti: thanks :3
2015-06-28 13:26 Spaghetti: It's qualified rn
2015-06-28 13:26 Spaghetti: hopefully the QAT won't be meanies
2015-06-28 13:27 Strategas: ah it must be tough
2015-06-28 13:27 Strategas: for first ranked map
2015-06-28 13:27 Spaghetti: yeah ;w;
2015-06-28 13:27 Strategas: I mean these qat standards
2015-06-28 13:27 Strategas: too high
2015-06-28 13:28 Spaghetti: 00:21:692 (2) -
2015-06-28 13:28 Spaghetti: weird -ish flow
2015-06-28 13:28 Strategas: ik
2015-06-28 13:28 Strategas: if you play
2015-06-28 13:28 Strategas: like most people do
2015-06-28 13:28 Strategas: just stop mid slider
2015-06-28 13:28 Spaghetti: I'd move to X:197 Y:221
2015-06-28 13:30 Strategas: should be closer to slider end I think
2015-06-28 13:30 Strategas: easy to misread as 1/2
2015-06-28 13:30 Spaghetti: oh
2015-06-28 13:30 Spaghetti: oops
2015-06-28 13:30 Strategas: I wonder if it works if I just place it on slider end
2015-06-28 13:30 Spaghetti: I didnt even notice the 3/4
2015-06-28 13:30 Strategas: haha
2015-06-28 13:30 Spaghetti: not directly on, space with DS
2015-06-28 13:31 Spaghetti: 00:43:635 (6) - weird spacing
2015-06-28 13:31 00:43:635 (6,7) - *
2015-06-28 13:32 Spaghetti: Move7 just a little bit up
2015-06-28 13:32 Spaghetti: 00:49:806 (1) - REALLY cool slider
2015-06-28 13:32 Spaghetti: I love it
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: wait
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: how is that weird spacing
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: ah
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: well I should space it more
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: anyway
2015-06-28 13:33 Spaghetti: It doesn't look very nice compared to how everything else is placed in the rest of the map
2015-06-28 13:33 Strategas: for emphasis
2015-06-28 13:33 Spaghetti: yua
2015-06-28 13:33 Spaghetti: ya*
2015-06-28 13:34 Spaghetti: 00:50:492 (3,4) -
2015-06-28 13:34 Spaghetti: 1/2 spacing is weird
2015-06-28 13:35 Spaghetti: I'd just make that a repeating slider
2015-06-28 13:35 Strategas: oh
2015-06-28 13:35 Strategas: yeah
2015-06-28 13:35 Strategas: I think it fits good as repeat slider
2015-06-28 13:36 Spaghetti: 00:51:177 (1) -
2015-06-28 13:36 00:51:006 (5,1) - *
2015-06-28 13:36 Spaghetti: ehhhhh
2015-06-28 13:36 Spaghetti: I'm on the edge with this
2015-06-28 13:37 Spaghetti: I see why'd you do it
2015-06-28 13:37 Spaghetti: but it's kinda weird. I'd just space it with DS
2015-06-28 13:38 Strategas: yeah but you know these slider play as 1/2
2015-06-28 13:38 Strategas: so the spacing is smae
2015-06-28 13:38 Strategas: between 4 5 and 5 1
2015-06-28 13:38 Strategas: same*
2015-06-28 13:38 Spaghetti: Yeah I guess
2015-06-28 13:38 Spaghetti: oki
2015-06-28 13:38 Spaghetti: :P
2015-06-28 13:39 Spaghetti: 01:04:549 (4,5,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - weirdly curved stream
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: I guess
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: not the best
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: xd
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: just noticed
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: 01:05:920 (5,1) -
2015-06-28 13:41 Strategas: jeez
2015-06-28 13:42 Spaghetti: :P
2015-06-28 13:42 Strategas: there's suppose to be a blue tic note aswell
2015-06-28 13:42 Strategas: but then
2015-06-28 13:44 Strategas: osu bugged again
2015-06-28 13:44 Strategas: started going crazy
2015-06-28 13:44 Strategas: ..
2015-06-28 13:45 Spaghetti: XD
2015-06-28 13:45 Spaghetti: 02:07:977 (1,2,3) -
2015-06-28 13:45 Spaghetti: You should space this out to compliment the buildup
2015-06-28 13:45 Strategas: did you write anything after I said about the blue tick thing?
2015-06-28 13:46 Spaghetti: nope
2015-06-28 13:46 Spaghetti: :P
2015-06-28 13:47 Strategas: hmm
2015-06-28 13:47 Strategas: aren't all slider suppose to be getting spaced out then more and more
2015-06-28 13:47 Spaghetti: That works too :P
2015-06-28 13:47 Spaghetti: do it every 2 sliders though
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: wtf just happened
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: I realised
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: I'm looking
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: at my map
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: first version
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: wtf
2015-06-28 13:49 Strategas: osu pls
2015-06-28 13:49 Spaghetti: lol
2015-06-28 13:51 Spaghetti: lemme know when you're ready for the next point
2015-06-28 13:51 Strategas: yeah you can just keep going
2015-06-28 13:52 Strategas: I will need to redo what I changed now
2015-06-28 13:52 Strategas: since this bug
2015-06-28 13:52 Spaghetti: oki
2015-06-28 13:52 Spaghetti: 02:09:006 (4,5) - why isnt this another slider? it seems like such a random change and it doesnt fit with what the vocals are doing
2015-06-28 13:53 Strategas: hm
2015-06-28 13:54 Strategas: you can hear the drums
2015-06-28 13:54 Strategas: starting there
2015-06-28 13:54 Strategas: that's why
2015-06-28 13:54 Strategas: on red tick
2015-06-28 13:54 Spaghetti: ah
2015-06-28 13:54 Spaghetti: but you should make it a transition
2015-06-28 13:54 Spaghetti: rather than do what happens next'
2015-06-28 13:54 Spaghetti: like
2015-06-28 13:55 Spaghetti: actually
2015-06-28 13:55 Spaghetti: nvm
2015-06-28 13:55 Spaghetti: I guess it's fine
2015-06-28 13:55 Spaghetti: 02:25:120 (4,5) - ctrl G for better flow
2015-06-28 13:56 Strategas: k
2015-06-28 13:59 Spaghetti: 02:30:949 (5,6,7) - Move to X:284 Y:231 so the spacing stays consistant
2015-06-28 14:00 Spaghetti: 03:01:463 (1,2,3) - Ctrl G for better flow and a nice anti jump to compliment the vocals
2015-06-28 14:02 Spaghetti: 03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Silence these slider ends since there's no real beats on them and you want to emphasize those notes
2015-06-28 14:03 Spaghetti: 04:00:435 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - REALLY cool, I love it
2015-06-28 14:03 Strategas: you sure about the anti jump thing
2015-06-28 14:03 Spaghetti: yeah
2015-06-28 14:03 Strategas: it's pure destruction xD
2015-06-28 14:03 Spaghetti: `XP
2015-06-28 14:03 Spaghetti: if not, rearrange things, because that doesn't flow right at all
2015-06-28 14:04 Strategas: okay
2015-06-28 14:05 Strategas: the slider ends
2015-06-28 14:05 Strategas: are already silecend
2015-06-28 14:05 Strategas: silenced
2015-06-28 14:05 Spaghetti: oh
2015-06-28 14:05 Spaghetti: LOL
2015-06-28 14:05 Spaghetti: my osu was glitching i guess
2015-06-28 14:05 Spaghetti: they werent before but now they are lol
2015-06-28 14:05 Spaghetti: sorry about that
2015-06-28 14:05 Strategas: wtf
2015-06-28 14:05 Strategas: best client
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: and those are all the points that I felt needed changing :P gl on your map
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: 02:30:949 (5,6,7) -
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: I don't think I'll move this
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: if I move it down
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: it has that
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: square weird
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: angle
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: but it's a dqable issue
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: inconsistant spacing
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: 02:30:949 (5,6,7,1) -
2015-06-28 14:06 Strategas: how come
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: oops
2015-06-28 14:06 Spaghetti: 02:31:120 (7,1) -
2015-06-28 14:07 Strategas: it's 1.3
2015-06-28 14:07 Strategas: and all following sliders are 1,3
2015-06-28 14:07 Spaghetti: that spacing is smaller than 02:30:606 (3,4) - with little change to the song
2015-06-28 14:07 Strategas: also you get to be stationary there
2015-06-28 14:07 Spaghetti: if anything
2015-06-28 14:07 Spaghetti: make the other spacing bigger to compliment the downbeat
2015-06-28 14:07 Spaghetti: that or make it consistanty
2015-06-28 14:07 Spaghetti: b/c rn it's smaller when it should be either equal or bigger
2015-06-28 14:08 Strategas: hm
2015-06-28 14:08 Strategas: I see
2015-06-28 14:08 Strategas: I would snap that stack into up right
2015-06-28 14:08 Strategas: but no room
2015-06-28 14:08 Strategas: rip
2015-06-28 14:08 Spaghetti: rip
2015-06-28 14:09 Strategas: 02:30:263 (2) -
2015-06-28 14:09 Strategas: what if I move it here
2015-06-28 14:09 Strategas: slider start
2015-06-28 14:09 Strategas: fsfsdf
2015-06-28 14:10 Strategas: my brain is lagging
2015-06-28 14:10 Spaghetti: then 02:30:777 (4,5) - is too big ;A;
2015-06-28 14:12 Strategas: hmm
2015-06-28 14:12 Strategas: I'll figure somethnig
2015-06-28 14:12 Strategas: well
2015-06-28 14:12 Strategas: thanks for the mod
2015-06-28 14:12 Strategas: was quite helpful
2015-06-28 14:13 Strategas: you might want to post for internet points
2015-06-28 14:13 Spaghetti: ye

Discussed:


  1. Inconsistant Spacings
  2. Flow
DahplA
Hey, not modding yet. I had a quick look and I like the mapping, so enjoy some stars ^_^
Topic Starter
Strategas

DahplA wrote:

Hey, not modding yet. I had a quick look and I like the mapping, so enjoy some stars ^_^
Thanks! <3
Arusamour
Insane (5,12 stars, 1239 notes) Quick Mod
01:09:520 (1) - Seems a little to closed to 01:09:006 (1). Distance a little bit.

01:17:920 (3) - Ugly slider. [url=Try something like this]http://puu.sh/iTuh0.jpg[/url]. It flows much better.

01:23:063 (4) - Looks too linear. Try x:100 y:204

01:23:920 (6) - Reverse the selection.

01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Boring/Bad Distance snapped jump.

01:31:463 (1,2,3) - Re-map this part. pls

01:37:292 (5,6) - These two circles shouldn't be here because it's too repetitive after 01:36:263 (1,2,3).

01:38:492 (2) - Lower the slider velocity. Even change the remake this slider.

[General]



  • Map is too linear. You don't only want square patterns, it's really boring.

    Think of using Distance Snap when you need it most. Not through out the whole map because right now, this looks like a 2011 map.\

    Try messing with the slider velocity changes, it fits really well with this song if you use it correctly.


Good song pick btw.
Topic Starter
Strategas

Boobs wrote:

Insane (5,12 stars, 1239 notes) Quick Mod
01:09:520 (1) - Seems a little to closed to 01:09:006 (1). Distance a little bit. fix

01:17:920 (3) - Ugly slider. [url=Try something like this]http://puu.sh/iTuh0.jpg[/url]. It flows much better. I'm leaving it how it is

01:23:063 (4) - Looks too linear. Try x:100 y:204 you gave current coordinates?

01:23:920 (6) - Reverse the selection. Reason?

01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Boring/Bad Distance snapped jump. Reason

01:31:463 (1,2,3) - Re-map this part. pls changed a bit

01:37:292 (5,6) - These two circles shouldn't be here because it's too repetitive after 01:36:263 (1,2,3). What's wrong with making it consistant?

01:38:492 (2) - Lower the slider velocity. Even change the remake this slider. ok

[General]



  • Map is too linear. You don't only want square patterns, it's really boring.

    Think of using Distance Snap when you need it most. Not through out the whole map because right now, this looks like a 2011 map.\

    Try messing with the slider velocity changes, it fits really well with this song if you use it correctly.


Good song pick btw.
Thanks for boobs...I mean mod.
Arusamour
01:23:063 (4) - Looks too linear. Try x:100 y:204 you gave current coordinates?
Shit i've been doing this wrong the whole time. I meant to move the slider end to x:96 y:288.

01:23:920 (6) - Reverse the selection. Reason?
Flows nicer with
slider end to x:96 y:288.
01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Boring/Bad Distance snapped jump. Reason
Boring because it feels repetitive and the Distance Spacing is bad on this. Basically, inconsistent jumps.

01:37:292 (5,6) - These two circles shouldn't be here because it's too repetitive after 01:36:263 (1,2,3). What's wrong with making it consistant?
There's something wrong with it. I don't know why though ;(
DahplA
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Insane
  1. Great opportunity to use a custom name, don't you think?
  2. Add "Japanese" to tags
  3. The drain time (rather than the time of the song) has to be over 5 minutes if you're looking for Approval. This means you have to map 03:17:920 to 03:28:892

    Ranking Criteria-senpai wrote:

    Approved Category is only for Marathon maps. Long maps with over 5 minutes of draining time fit the Approval category. Only then they are allowed to be single difficulty mapsets. If they are below 5 minutes of draining time, a full difficulty spread is needed and the map will have to be ranked instead.
  4. 00:01:463 (4) - Fix up the stack here
  5. 00:18:777 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - I would say the positioning of these jumps is random. They go around in a loop twice, not the best positioning. Get creative. Instead of just stacking them on top of each other, use this spot to arrange maybe a shape or pattern for the jumps. Of course, I can't give an exact idea otherwise it wouldn't be your map.
  6. 00:50:492 (3,6) - Since these act as triples anyways, you should remove the volume decrease so players can get that audio feedback
  7. 00:52:377 (9) - ^
  8. 00:57:863 (10,11,1) - I feel a transition into a slider from 00:58:035 would work better, just so it doesn't feel like a triple spam with the parts beforehand
  9. 01:03:177 (10) - I would remove this in favour of a stream section here. It would work better to start this kick slider holding pattern on a downbeat here 01:03:520 (1) - since the sound changes
  10. 01:05:406 (6) - Slightly off-stacked
  11. 01:06:035 (1) - You should rather be safe and remove this. While it feels like it almost does belong there, it causes a really weird gap with 01:05:920 (5) - since you don't have a 1/4 gap, rather a 1/3. It will catch players off-guard.
  12. 01:06:263 Let's talk about this part. You've used longer sliders which you have to alternate on because of the 1/4 gap in between. I like this idea, however you should consider having a gap after the last slider. Draw your attention to this pattern 01:11:749 (1,2,3) - . As you observe, there's a 1/1 gap there. If you were to put 1/1 gaps after the end slider of each pattern, it would make this relatively calm section feel less mashy. Otherwise, you have the player essentially not letting go of the keys in a part that's not even intense. Since the drain time is 5 minutes, this allows players to also catch a break.
  13. 01:19:292 (1) - I feel like these (when I mean "these", I mean the 1/2s that are shaped like this) sliders are overdone slightly. I see you're mapping to the vocals for this part. Thus already, there is no need for these. Like previously mentioned as well, this is a calmer section of the song. You should include more gaps for the players.
  14. 01:37:635 (1) - Slightly off-stacked
  15. 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Instead of stacking, the song presents itself with an amazing opportunity to place some fun and challenging jumps.
  16. 02:27:177 (1) - Slightly off-stacked
  17. 02:47:406 (5) - ^
  18. 02:48:777 (6,1) - Because of slider-leniency, the spacing here isn't actually that large. I'd recommend moving 02:49:120 (1) - to x276 y94 and 02:48:777 (6) - to x381 y192. After you've done this, I'd suggest changing 02:49:635 (3) - this to be parallel with 02:49:120 (1) - (if you're confused, just reply here)
  19. 03:10:720 (4) - Slightly-off stacked
  20. 03:34:377 (1,2,3) - This one isn't perfectly straight
  21. 03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't like these 1/4s. I mean, why this part of all parts did you decide to emphasis only. Logically, all parts should be the same.
  22. 04:00:435 (1) - Slightly off-stacked

Mmm, lovely song.
Topic Starter
Strategas

DahplA wrote:

Hi, DahplA here posting from Jloughman14's and DahplA's Modding Team. This is a response in regards to this request. Please be sure to vote here on how helpful our mod was.

Insane
  1. Great opportunity to use a custom name, don't you think? I haven't thought of a name
  2. Add "Japanese" to tags lol I had it before where did it disappear to
  3. The drain time (rather than the time of the song) has to be over 5 minutes if you're looking for Approval. This means you have to map 03:17:920 to 03:28:892 right......

    Ranking Criteria-senpai wrote:

    Approved Category is only for Marathon maps. Long maps with over 5 minutes of draining time fit the Approval category. Only then they are allowed to be single difficulty mapsets. If they are below 5 minutes of draining time, a full difficulty spread is needed and the map will have to be ranked instead.
  4. 00:01:463 (4) - Fix up the stack here fixed
  5. 00:18:777 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - I would say the positioning of these jumps is random. They go around in a loop twice, not the best positioning. Get creative. Instead of just stacking them on top of each other, use this spot to arrange maybe a shape or pattern for the jumps. Of course, I can't give an exact idea otherwise it wouldn't be your map. remade
  6. 00:50:492 (3,6) - Since these act as triples anyways, you should remove the volume decrease so players can get that audio feedback fixed
  7. 00:52:377 (9) - ^ ^
  8. 00:57:863 (10,11,1) - I feel a transition into a slider from 00:58:035 would work better, just so it doesn't feel like a triple spam with the parts beforehand I need these 00:58:206 (2,3) - as circles though
  9. 01:03:177 (10) - I would remove this in favour of a stream section here. It would work better to start this kick slider holding pattern on a downbeat here 01:03:520 (1) - since the sound changes ok
  10. 01:05:406 (6) - Slightly off-stacked fixed
  11. 01:06:035 (1) - You should rather be safe and remove this. While it feels like it almost does belong there, it causes a really weird gap with 01:05:920 (5) - since you don't have a 1/4 gap, rather a 1/3. It will catch players off-guard. Yeah it's a problem I'm not sure what to do here.
  12. 01:06:263 Let's talk about this part. You've used longer sliders which you have to alternate on because of the 1/4 gap in between. I like this idea, however you should consider having a gap after the last slider. Draw your attention to this pattern 01:11:749 (1,2,3) - . As you observe, there's a 1/1 gap there. If you were to put 1/1 gaps after the end slider of each pattern, it would make this relatively calm section feel less mashy. Otherwise, you have the player essentially not letting go of the keys in a part that's not even intense. Since the drain time is 5 minutes, this allows players to also catch a break. Okay I made the 1/1 gaps, not sure if the slider shapes are fine now though
  13. 01:19:292 (1) - I feel like these (when I mean "these", I mean the 1/2s that are shaped like this) sliders are overdone slightly. I see you're mapping to the vocals for this part. Thus already, there is no need for these. Like previously mentioned as well, this is a calmer section of the song. You should include more gaps for the players. Alright, removed those.
  14. 01:37:635 (1) - Slightly off-stacked fixed
  15. 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Instead of stacking, the song presents itself with an amazing opportunity to place some fun and challenging jumps. What kind of monstrosity did I just create....
  16. 02:27:177 (1) - Slightly off-stacked fixed
  17. 02:47:406 (5) - ^ ^
  18. 02:48:777 (6,1) - Because of slider-leniency, the spacing here isn't actually that large. I'd recommend moving 02:49:120 (1) - to x276 y94 and 02:48:777 (6) - to x381 y192. After you've done this, I'd suggest changing 02:49:635 (3) - this to be parallel with 02:49:120 (1) - (if you're confused, just reply here) yep changed
  19. 03:10:720 (4) - Slightly-off stacked fixed
  20. 03:34:377 (1,2,3) - This one isn't perfectly straight fixed
  21. 03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I don't like these 1/4s. I mean, why this part of all parts did you decide to emphasis only. Logically, all parts should be the same. For variety? If it doesn't fit at all then I'll just replace them.
  22. 04:00:435 (1) - Slightly off-stacked fixed

Mmm, lovely song.
Thanks so much!
Topic Starter
Strategas

Boobs wrote:

01:23:063 (4) - Looks too linear. Try x:100 y:204 you gave current coordinates?
Shit i've been doing this wrong the whole time. I meant to move the slider end to x:96 y:288. I still don't think it's a problem to have it linear

01:23:920 (6) - Reverse the selection. Reason?
Flows nicer with
slider end to x:96 y:288. Well since I didn't change it ...
01:28:549 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Boring/Bad Distance snapped jump. Reason
Boring because it feels repetitive and the Distance Spacing is bad on this. Basically, inconsistent jumps. Well I changed it a little but I think the spacing makes sense

01:37:292 (5,6) - These two circles shouldn't be here because it's too repetitive after 01:36:263 (1,2,3). What's wrong with making it consistant?
There's something wrong with it. I don't know why though ;( I don't know either
Altuth
Mod and better BG
2015-07-10 18:40 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUcV9/c068f27be3.jpg
2015-07-10 18:40 Altuth: slightly improved with correct aspect ratio
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: one second
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: I'll give you the full pic
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: cause
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: I need those plants on the right
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: to be in the pic
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: and the light
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: nonono
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: i have it right here
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: 2 sec and its done
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: ah
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: ok
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: but don't cut down the bottom part
2015-07-10 18:44 Altuth: ok
2015-07-10 18:46 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUdux/19a1a273ee.jpg
2015-07-10 18:46 Altuth: there you go
2015-07-10 18:46 Strategas: thank you!
2015-07-10 18:47 Altuth: You want me to go through your map?
2015-07-10 18:48 Strategas: yeah if you can
2015-07-10 18:48 Strategas: need to improve it
2015-07-10 18:49 Altuth: 02:11:406 (7) -
2015-07-10 18:49 Altuth: slider vel to 0,5
2015-07-10 18:50 Altuth: to overdo the 3/4th slider
2015-07-10 18:50 Strategas: right
2015-07-10 18:50 Altuth: maybe even increase slider vel on the rest of the sliders
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: make the jumps more compact
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: not closer to eachother, but make them feel natural to platy
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: play*
2015-07-10 18:52 Altuth: 02:15:349 (4) -
2015-07-10 18:52 Altuth: make the slider go downwards
2015-07-10 18:53 Strategas: how come?
2015-07-10 18:53 Altuth: It felt natural to me when i through it
2015-07-10 18:53 Altuth: played*
2015-07-10 18:54 Altuth: for better flow
2015-07-10 18:54 Strategas: doesn't it flow better how it is?
2015-07-10 18:55 Altuth: the transition from 02:15:349 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 18:55 Altuth: gets awkward
2015-07-10 18:56 Strategas: so you want me to put it higher and face it downward?
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUe9v/0ecb43b9fd.jpg
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: like so
2015-07-10 18:57 Strategas: I see
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: 02:18:949 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
2015-07-10 18:58 Altuth: redo this part, i felt like a robot playing it, hard to hit circles just hanging in the air
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: 02:18:949 (1,2,3) -
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: make them squares
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: compact*
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: 02:20:320 (1,2,3) - sort of how you did here
2015-07-10 19:00 Strategas: oh
2015-07-10 19:01 Altuth: 02:24:092 (5,6) - put slider here
2015-07-10 19:01 Strategas: nooooooo way
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: never
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: what?!?!
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: ok ok, just keep it like it is
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: yes
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: 02:27:863 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - this part is delicious
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: listen to how strong it was
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: good flow
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUevR/071f47535a.jpg
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: do it like this
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: where i mentioned you put a slider
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: but I said never
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: :(
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: it's just
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: circles a must be
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: there
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUezT/43f92d862f.jpg
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: strong jump
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: do it like that
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: triple
2015-07-10 19:05 Altuth: it felt good to play, because the song gets louder
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: if I do it like then
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: slider end
2015-07-10 19:05 Altuth: louder isnt neccessarily meant to be a jump
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: is wrong
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: it means emphasis
2015-07-10 19:06 Strategas: and I prefer jumps
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: jumps are good
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: in the right places
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: ^
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: 02:25:806 (1,2,3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: rotate that part
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: never go full square
2015-07-10 19:08 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUeMe/f9d264722d.jpg
2015-07-10 19:08 Altuth: like that
2015-07-10 19:09 Strategas: the most fun part after rotating is fixing overlaps
2015-07-10 19:09 Altuth: 02:30:263 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - make it play against the clock
2015-07-10 19:10 Altuth: that part went with the clock for too long
2015-07-10 19:11 Strategas: kk
2015-07-10 19:11 Altuth: 02:34:549 (3,4,5,6,7,1) -
2015-07-10 19:11 Altuth: structure better
2015-07-10 19:12 Altuth: and distance snap it properly
2015-07-10 19:13 Altuth: 02:39:863 (2) - move it like this http://puu.sh/iUf3Q/c64dc52333.jpg
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: 02:42:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - go anti clockwise
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: I think it's fine
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: 02:39:863 (2) - Is bad flow
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: it's already anti clokwise
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: it's bad flow on purpose
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: i meant
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: the other way
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: clockwise*
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: 02:58:720 (1,2,3,4) - overdo this part
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUfjF/ada20c211d.jpg
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: like so
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: make the last jump double in distance
2015-07-10 19:18 Altuth: 03:54:692 (6,7,8) - make circles curve more nicely to the next slider
2015-07-10 19:20 Altuth: 04:02:149 (2,3) - better flow here
2015-07-10 19:20 Altuth: make slider more welcoming
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: 02:58:720 (1,2,3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: ah this you showed
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: 3 suppose to be bigger jump
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: than to 4
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: I think
2015-07-10 19:21 Altuth: ye
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: you're right
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: 02:58:720 (1,2) - make them go more up and have jump to 02:59:063 (3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: make them both parrallell
2015-07-10 19:23 Strategas: 03:54:692 (6,7,8) -
2015-07-10 19:23 Strategas: im not sure how to curve them uhh
2015-07-10 19:23 Altuth: place a curvy slider
2015-07-10 19:24 Altuth: press compose while slider is blue, then press turn slider into stream
2015-07-10 19:25 Altuth: and use it for all streams, as it makes them look more appealing
2015-07-10 19:25 Altuth: and correct in distance
2015-07-10 19:26 Strategas: ik but
2015-07-10 19:26 Strategas: don't really know which way to curve this thing
2015-07-10 19:27 Strategas: etc
2015-07-10 19:27 Altuth: just go downwards
2015-07-10 19:27 Altuth: into straight slider repeat
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: but
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: it's only 3 circles
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: can't really make that huge curve out of 3
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: make the first slider curve better
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUg6i/0b0d47817c.jpg
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: and make some magic, i made you an example
2015-07-10 19:31 Strategas: can't really move that slider
2015-07-10 19:31 Strategas: cause ds
2015-07-10 19:32 Altuth: huh? I did it just fine
2015-07-10 19:32 Altuth: just change other things to fit the new curvy slider and its fine
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: what ds you got there
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: when you made it
2015-07-10 19:34 Altuth: 0,5
2015-07-10 19:34 Altuth: alt+scroll
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: I mean
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: between 4 and 5
2015-07-10 19:35 Altuth: what?
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: 03:53:577 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: see this
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: ds
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: 1.2
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: if you moved the slider
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: it becomes 1.0
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: and it looks
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: weird
2015-07-10 19:37 Altuth: 03:53:577 (1) - cope that one and use it as slider repeat
2015-07-10 19:37 Altuth: copy*
2015-07-10 19:38 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUgzC/eee1838599.jpg
2015-07-10 19:38 Altuth: you can do it like that
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: ah nvm
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: I missed the part
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: you rotated
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: 03:54:949 (1) -
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:40 Altuth: so its all good
2015-07-10 19:40 Altuth: ?
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: these are still too close
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: though
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: if you try to curve
2015-07-10 19:41 Altuth: move them!
2015-07-10 19:41 Altuth: easiest option
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: and rotate it so that there is nice flow between the slider and first triangle circle
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: 03:54:949 (1,2) -
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: between those
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: not my point
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: 03:53:577 (1,2) -
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: and
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: should be
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: even
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: spaced
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: with 1.2
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: cause of all those before
2015-07-10 19:45 Altuth: make circles in the same combo structured and partially with other combos
2015-07-10 19:45 Altuth: no need to have long structure that goes unnoticed by the player
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: k
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: lets move on
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: if there's anything left
2015-07-10 19:46 Altuth: 04:18:777 (3) - bad flow
2015-07-10 19:47 Altuth: consider moving it under 04:18:263 (1) - pointing upwards
2015-07-10 19:47 Altuth: where 04:18:263 (1) - blankets 04:18:777 (3) -
2015-07-10 19:48 Strategas: k
2015-07-10 19:48 Altuth: 04:19:120 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - make jumps more structures
2015-07-10 19:51 Altuth: 04:41:235 (7) - place sliders on red tick would correspond nicely to the song
2015-07-10 19:51 Altuth: (from that point until the end)
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: white ticks
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: still have stronger sounds
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: most places
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: there'
2015-07-10 19:52 Altuth: (wub-wub) sound as start of slider makes them feel more acknowledged by the player
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: I'd rather follow drums
2015-07-10 19:53 Altuth: I just threw it out there, try considering it and maybe make a small sample and see for yourself how good it feels
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: yeah
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: I'll check
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: white or red tick slider has nothing to say if it feels better for the player
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: Usually you place sliders on white
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: depends what you hear really
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: ye
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: that was everything from me
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: I need to eat
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: bye, and good luck with your map
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: aye
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: thanks
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: you might want to post
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: in thread
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: i will
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: for internet points
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: ^^
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: enjoy your food
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: I will eat too
Topic Starter
Strategas

Altuth wrote:

Mod and better BG
2015-07-10 18:40 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUcV9/c068f27be3.jpg
2015-07-10 18:40 Altuth: slightly improved with correct aspect ratio
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: one second
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: I'll give you the full pic
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: cause
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: I need those plants on the right
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: to be in the pic
2015-07-10 18:42 Strategas: and the light
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: nonono
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: i have it right here
2015-07-10 18:43 Altuth: 2 sec and its done
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: ah
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: ok
2015-07-10 18:44 Strategas: but don't cut down the bottom part
2015-07-10 18:44 Altuth: ok
2015-07-10 18:46 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUdux/19a1a273ee.jpg
2015-07-10 18:46 Altuth: there you go
2015-07-10 18:46 Strategas: thank you!
2015-07-10 18:47 Altuth: You want me to go through your map?
2015-07-10 18:48 Strategas: yeah if you can
2015-07-10 18:48 Strategas: need to improve it
2015-07-10 18:49 Altuth: 02:11:406 (7) -
2015-07-10 18:49 Altuth: slider vel to 0,5
2015-07-10 18:50 Altuth: to overdo the 3/4th slider
2015-07-10 18:50 Strategas: right
2015-07-10 18:50 Altuth: maybe even increase slider vel on the rest of the sliders
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) -
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: make the jumps more compact
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: not closer to eachother, but make them feel natural to platy
2015-07-10 18:51 Altuth: play*
2015-07-10 18:52 Altuth: 02:15:349 (4) -
2015-07-10 18:52 Altuth: make the slider go downwards
2015-07-10 18:53 Strategas: how come?
2015-07-10 18:53 Altuth: It felt natural to me when i through it
2015-07-10 18:53 Altuth: played*
2015-07-10 18:54 Altuth: for better flow
2015-07-10 18:54 Strategas: doesn't it flow better how it is?
2015-07-10 18:55 Altuth: the transition from 02:15:349 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 18:55 Altuth: gets awkward
2015-07-10 18:56 Strategas: so you want me to put it higher and face it downward?
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUe9v/0ecb43b9fd.jpg
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: like so
2015-07-10 18:57 Strategas: I see
2015-07-10 18:57 Altuth: 02:18:949 (1,2,3,4,5,6) -
2015-07-10 18:58 Altuth: redo this part, i felt like a robot playing it, hard to hit circles just hanging in the air
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: 02:18:949 (1,2,3) -
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: make them squares
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: compact*
2015-07-10 18:59 Altuth: 02:20:320 (1,2,3) - sort of how you did here
2015-07-10 19:00 Strategas: oh
2015-07-10 19:01 Altuth: 02:24:092 (5,6) - put slider here
2015-07-10 19:01 Strategas: nooooooo way
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: never
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: what?!?!
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: ok ok, just keep it like it is
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: yes
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: 02:27:863 (3,4,5,6,7,1) - this part is delicious
2015-07-10 19:02 Strategas: listen to how strong it was
2015-07-10 19:02 Altuth: good flow
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUevR/071f47535a.jpg
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: do it like this
2015-07-10 19:03 Altuth: where i mentioned you put a slider
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: but I said never
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: :(
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: it's just
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: circles a must be
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: there
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUezT/43f92d862f.jpg
2015-07-10 19:04 Strategas: strong jump
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: do it like that
2015-07-10 19:04 Altuth: triple
2015-07-10 19:05 Altuth: it felt good to play, because the song gets louder
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: if I do it like then
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: slider end
2015-07-10 19:05 Altuth: louder isnt neccessarily meant to be a jump
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: is wrong
2015-07-10 19:05 Strategas: it means emphasis
2015-07-10 19:06 Strategas: and I prefer jumps
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: jumps are good
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: in the right places
2015-07-10 19:06 Altuth: ^
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: 02:25:806 (1,2,3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: rotate that part
2015-07-10 19:07 Altuth: never go full square
2015-07-10 19:08 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUeMe/f9d264722d.jpg
2015-07-10 19:08 Altuth: like that
2015-07-10 19:09 Strategas: the most fun part after rotating is fixing overlaps
2015-07-10 19:09 Altuth: 02:30:263 (2,3,4,5,6,7) - make it play against the clock
2015-07-10 19:10 Altuth: that part went with the clock for too long
2015-07-10 19:11 Strategas: kk
2015-07-10 19:11 Altuth: 02:34:549 (3,4,5,6,7,1) -
2015-07-10 19:11 Altuth: structure better
2015-07-10 19:12 Altuth: and distance snap it properly
2015-07-10 19:13 Altuth: 02:39:863 (2) - move it like this http://puu.sh/iUf3Q/c64dc52333.jpg
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: 02:42:263 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - go anti clockwise
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: I think it's fine
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: 02:39:863 (2) - Is bad flow
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: it's already anti clokwise
2015-07-10 19:14 Strategas: it's bad flow on purpose
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: i meant
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: the other way
2015-07-10 19:14 Altuth: clockwise*
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: 02:58:720 (1,2,3,4) - overdo this part
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUfjF/ada20c211d.jpg
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: like so
2015-07-10 19:17 Altuth: make the last jump double in distance
2015-07-10 19:18 Altuth: 03:54:692 (6,7,8) - make circles curve more nicely to the next slider
2015-07-10 19:20 Altuth: 04:02:149 (2,3) - better flow here
2015-07-10 19:20 Altuth: make slider more welcoming
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: 02:58:720 (1,2,3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: ah this you showed
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: 3 suppose to be bigger jump
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: than to 4
2015-07-10 19:21 Strategas: I think
2015-07-10 19:21 Altuth: ye
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: you're right
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: 02:58:720 (1,2) - make them go more up and have jump to 02:59:063 (3,4) -
2015-07-10 19:22 Altuth: make them both parrallell
2015-07-10 19:23 Strategas: 03:54:692 (6,7,8) -
2015-07-10 19:23 Strategas: im not sure how to curve them uhh
2015-07-10 19:23 Altuth: place a curvy slider
2015-07-10 19:24 Altuth: press compose while slider is blue, then press turn slider into stream
2015-07-10 19:25 Altuth: and use it for all streams, as it makes them look more appealing
2015-07-10 19:25 Altuth: and correct in distance
2015-07-10 19:26 Strategas: ik but
2015-07-10 19:26 Strategas: don't really know which way to curve this thing
2015-07-10 19:27 Strategas: etc
2015-07-10 19:27 Altuth: just go downwards
2015-07-10 19:27 Altuth: into straight slider repeat
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: but
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: it's only 3 circles
2015-07-10 19:29 Strategas: can't really make that huge curve out of 3
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: make the first slider curve better
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUg6i/0b0d47817c.jpg
2015-07-10 19:30 Altuth: and make some magic, i made you an example
2015-07-10 19:31 Strategas: can't really move that slider
2015-07-10 19:31 Strategas: cause ds
2015-07-10 19:32 Altuth: huh? I did it just fine
2015-07-10 19:32 Altuth: just change other things to fit the new curvy slider and its fine
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: what ds you got there
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: when you made it
2015-07-10 19:34 Altuth: 0,5
2015-07-10 19:34 Altuth: alt+scroll
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: I mean
2015-07-10 19:34 Strategas: between 4 and 5
2015-07-10 19:35 Altuth: what?
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: 03:53:577 (1,2,3,4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: see this
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: ds
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: 1.2
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: if you moved the slider
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: it becomes 1.0
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: and it looks
2015-07-10 19:36 Strategas: weird
2015-07-10 19:37 Altuth: 03:53:577 (1) - cope that one and use it as slider repeat
2015-07-10 19:37 Altuth: copy*
2015-07-10 19:38 Altuth: http://puu.sh/iUgzC/eee1838599.jpg
2015-07-10 19:38 Altuth: you can do it like that
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: ah nvm
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: I missed the part
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: you rotated
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: 03:54:949 (1) -
2015-07-10 19:39 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:40 Altuth: so its all good
2015-07-10 19:40 Altuth: ?
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: these are still too close
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: though
2015-07-10 19:40 Strategas: if you try to curve
2015-07-10 19:41 Altuth: move them!
2015-07-10 19:41 Altuth: easiest option
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: and rotate it so that there is nice flow between the slider and first triangle circle
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: 03:54:949 (1,2) -
2015-07-10 19:42 Altuth: between those
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: not my point
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: 03:53:577 (1,2) -
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: this
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: and
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: 03:54:092 (4,5) -
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: should be
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: even
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: spaced
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: with 1.2
2015-07-10 19:43 Strategas: cause of all those before
2015-07-10 19:45 Altuth: make circles in the same combo structured and partially with other combos
2015-07-10 19:45 Altuth: no need to have long structure that goes unnoticed by the player
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: k
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: lets move on
2015-07-10 19:46 Strategas: if there's anything left
2015-07-10 19:46 Altuth: 04:18:777 (3) - bad flow
2015-07-10 19:47 Altuth: consider moving it under 04:18:263 (1) - pointing upwards
2015-07-10 19:47 Altuth: where 04:18:263 (1) - blankets 04:18:777 (3) -
2015-07-10 19:48 Strategas: k
2015-07-10 19:48 Altuth: 04:19:120 (4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - make jumps more structures
2015-07-10 19:51 Altuth: 04:41:235 (7) - place sliders on red tick would correspond nicely to the song
2015-07-10 19:51 Altuth: (from that point until the end)
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: white ticks
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: still have stronger sounds
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: most places
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: there'
2015-07-10 19:52 Altuth: (wub-wub) sound as start of slider makes them feel more acknowledged by the player
2015-07-10 19:52 Strategas: I'd rather follow drums
2015-07-10 19:53 Altuth: I just threw it out there, try considering it and maybe make a small sample and see for yourself how good it feels
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: yeah
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: I'll check
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: white or red tick slider has nothing to say if it feels better for the player
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: Usually you place sliders on white
2015-07-10 19:54 Strategas: depends what you hear really
2015-07-10 19:54 Altuth: ye
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: that was everything from me
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: I need to eat
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: bye, and good luck with your map
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: aye
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: thanks
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: you might want to post
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: in thread
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: i will
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: for internet points
2015-07-10 19:55 Altuth: ^^
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: enjoy your food
2015-07-10 19:55 Strategas: I will eat too
Remade a bunch of paterns and the star rating hopped a bit ...hmm...
CXu
m4m

[General]
  1. I will be talking about my own opinion on the map as a whole in the mod. While I hope you'll consider what I mention, it is, in the end, only the opinion of one person. If you disagree, that's fine too.
  2. You might want to switch the order between combo color 3 and 4, so 4 and 1, which look very similar, don't come right after each other.
  3. I'm not a very big fan of the hitnormals you're using. Personally I think the default soft and normal hitnormals work just fine.
[Insane]
  1. Opinion stuff first:
  2. 00:00:435 - 00:21:006 - For me, this part seems like you just placed a bunch of circles and sliders in 1/2 rhythm, and didn't really do much more in terms of making a consistent pattern, or in some way following more of the different sounds present here. Personally, I would for example use a 1/1 slider at 00:00:435 (1,2) - , and then be consistent, following the (how2describesound) sound at 00:05:920 - and 00:06:435 - with another pair of 1/1 sliders. This also makes it possible for more variation in rhythm without making it feel forced by making it random how many notes or 1/2 sliders are in a row before switching to the other. Obviously for 00:11:406 - etc as well.
  3. 00:22:377 - I feel like this part has a similar problem as above. Basically, you're almost exclusively just going with 1/2's, which is fine in general, but then you should try to use the spacing to emphasize parts of the song, and sliders to bring out different parts of the music. For example, in the beginning, I would go with a rhythm similar to this http://i.imgur.com/tdD07PF.png , and arranging them as http://i.imgur.com/lZ4SVoE.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/VI95MXO.jpg . Of course these are in a mapping style closer to mine than yours, but the idea is basically that the difference in spacing between 00:22:377 (1,2,3) - (1,2) and (2,3) will emphasize the beat at 00:23:063 - , and then the same for 00:23:406 (4,5) - , and the beats at 00:24:435 (3,4,5,6) - are very close in intensity, so it feels nice to have about the same DS between them. Going all notes as well works since you want to hit all of those beats in the music.
  4. 02:12:092 - For the kiai, I would go with something like http://i.imgur.com/ZWIEanS.png instead tbh, with bigger jumps between (1,2) and (3,4) than (2,3).
  5. 02:55:977 - 03:17:920 - I feel like this section is much better mapped in terms of rhythm. Most of the longer vocals are on a slider, and you're consistent in terms of how powerful the notes feel at parts like 03:04:206 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:07:292 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - . The only thing is maybe the buildup at 03:14:835 - being a bit big compared to how easy the sliders before are.
  6. 04:01:806 - Also, for the kiai, it's probably fine to add triples to put emphasis on some beats, but right now (both here and in previous kiai) they're kind of randomly placed (or at least feel randomly placed. I can't tell what logic you're using in placing them), and thus makes them feel overmapped.
  7. 04:45:692 - For the endpart, a slider/note pattern like: http://i.imgur.com/DPMsazD.png would work nicely imo. Still just a row of 1/2, but less random in terms of what's being followed in the song.
  8. Most of these things are suggestions as to how you can make the 1/2's more interesting, as the song is long and repetitive.
  1. The mod below will base itself on your current map and style. If you consider the points above and do anything about them, there's probably things here you can disregard. If some idea below feels nice to you, remember to apply them for similar parts of the map as well.
  2. 00:02:835 (4) - ctrl+g? Flows nicely as it follows the curve from (2,3) into the sliderhead, and if you feel you want more circular flow, you can place 00:03:349 (2) - on the right side instead of left side.
  3. 00:11:749 (2,4) - Maybe move these closer to the previous slider, and further from the next sliders, so the distance emphasizes the beat on the sliderheads? You may do this at 00:06:263 (2,4) - as well, although they're not as noticeable since the spacing is already fairly big there overall.
  4. 00:20:149 (4) - I would move this more to the right. Right now it's a 90 degree angle, which doesn't flow that well here imo.
  5. 00:23:406 (5,6) - I like the stack, but you should be consistent with it 00:28:892 (5) -
  6. 00:25:120 (1,2) - (1) to 242;344 and (2) to 99;245? Makes the pattern look a bit cleaner for me.
  7. 00:26:835 (2) - Imo, this note shouldn't be a part of the "repeating/rotating" triangle, since the next notes in the triangle are all when there is vocal.
  8. 00:30:606 (1) - Move this to http://i.imgur.com/eC7IEMU.png ? Follows the triangular flow much better, and also flows better into the next slider imo (although you should slightly reposition and reshape the (3) slider)
  9. 00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - You can make the curves of these streams smoother. Right now they look pretty rough and unpolished. Use the slider->stream tool if you have a hard time making curvy streams.
  10. 00:42:949 (1,2,3,4) - Wouldn't it look neater if you made this into a smooth curve, rather than this weird L shaped thing.
  11. 00:50:835 (5) - If you're going with these 1/4 sliders, I'd say you should make this a 1/4 as well. I'm not a very big fan of the 00:51:006 (6) though.
  12. 00:52:377 (9) - same^
  13. 00:57:177 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - What are you following with the triples? I can't really hear any instrument going in that rhythm.
  14. 01:02:835 (8,9,10,11) - These just doesn't look neat, when you put them right next to each other. Consider make them the same angle http://i.imgur.com/ItlT6pR.png
  15. 01:03:520 (1,2,3,4) - Same with these. You can use the rotate tool to make the rotation angle consistent.
  16. 01:09:520 (1) - Kinda useless NC.
  17. 01:28:206 (4) - Put this further away from the (1,2,3)? Emphasizing the higher pitch on the vocal. You'll need to rework the pattern a bit to make everything look nice and play smoothly, but yeah.
  18. 01:41:920 - 01:43:120 - I don't quite get these triples either. You're not putting them on the beats to emphasize piano or anything, and I can't hear these triples, so yeah. Unless you're following something, I'd remove them, and even if you are following something, you should still consider it since there are probably more people than me that can't really tell what these triples are following. Same with the stream at 01:46:549 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - . Feels a bit artificially placed.
  19. 02:06:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - You should space these out more, so the bigger jumps afterwards aren't so jarring. Alternatively, make the big jumps later at 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - less big, and instead have an increasing spacing.
  20. 02:11:063 (5) - Make this follow the stream-curve?
  21. 02:16:377 (2,3,4) - The stack is a bit flow-killing imo, since you're stopping mid-pattern. The triple at 02:17:235 (7,8,9) - works much better as it's at the end of a stanza, but this one is pretty jarring in-play.
  22. 02:18:777 (6,1,2) - This flows pretty badly. Feels much more natural to move (1) underneath (6) somewhere, rather than to the left. Maybe something like this? http://i.imgur.com/E3R3h1G.jpg
  23. 02:24:435 (1) - A bit too close to (6) after such a huge jump imo. Maybe move this to 345;201?
  24. 02:25:977 (2,3) - Doesn't feel like the jump should be here. The stronger note is (2), so if anyhing, (1,2) should have the jump imo.
  25. 02:28:377 - I still don't really get these.
  26. 02:32:320 (4,6) - NC on both and move (6) a bit so they're parallell? Something like http://i.imgur.com/l6c26nt.png
  27. 02:34:892 (4,5,6) - That's a preeeetty big jump all of a sudden, and it doesn't really go up there again either until much later, even though the general power of the song remains around the same level. Consider reducing the spacing here a bit.
  28. 02:35:749 (2,3) - While these 1/4 are interesting, they don't seem to follow anything. They work out much better later at 02:45:692 (3,4,5,6) - , and you should follow the same thing for these 1/4 imo.
  29. 02:53:577 (2) - Move this to 343;179 maybe? Since it's a "build-down" kind of thing, It'd be more interesting if this one has the note not stacked on the sliderend, while the next one does.
  30. 03:10:892 (5,1) - Stack kinda kills flow.
  31. 03:14:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - As I was saying above, These should start out closer, and gradually build up the spacing, rather than start out big, so it's a proper build-up.
  32. 03:18:006 (1) - Start at 03:18:263 - to follow vocal?
  33. 03:28:892 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Personal preference, but I'd move these out a bit more from the center, so they don't overlap. I know you won't see it ingame, but you'll still see that they're occupying the same space. And it's not quite symmetrical either http://i.imgur.com/8O7MWIq.png
  34. 04:00:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - The previous jump doesn't flow into this curve at all. Consider rotating it to something like this: http://i.imgur.com/mqVoAhm.png
  35. 04:02:663 (4,5) - The jump being between (5,6) works better for me: http://i.imgur.com/5Sp7I3q.png
  36. 04:07:806 (3) - Flow feels more natural if you ctrl+g this. Overall the way 04:07:292 (1,3) - overlaps doesn't look very good either, so consider fixing that too.
  37. 04:45:692 - ctrl+g? If you do this, same for 04:50:149 (2) - . Nice circular flow imo.
  38. 04:51:692 (3,4) - Should be higher spacing here to emphasize the (4) imo.
To summarize:
  1. General flow of the map is fine. Most of the time notes will transition into each other pretty well, although some parts could be better.
  2. Patterning could be much better. Things like 04:30:606 (1,2,3,4,5) - for example just looks really chaotic and without any set structure for the pattern: http://i.imgur.com/2KXXCWB.jpg . Same with things like 04:59:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - http://i.imgur.com/pqGt3H4.png etc.
  3. The rhythm is very centered around 1/2, which is fine in itself, but there are many ways to make 1/2 more interesting and following the song more closely than you have done.
  4. A lot of random triples and streams that I'm not sure is actually following anything, which makes them feel overmapped.
I guess in the end what I'm trying to say is that there's more than just the drums to follow, and it would make the map far more interesting if you varied that in the map. Constantly hitting out a 1/2 rhythm is often pretty boring, especially for a 5 minute long map.

From what I can see, the map still needs more work before it's ready. The basic idea of the map is good, but there's a lot of polish that can go into note placement and rhythm.
Good luck though!
Topic Starter
Strategas

CXu wrote:

m4m

[General]
  1. I will be talking about my own opinion on the map as a whole in the mod. While I hope you'll consider what I mention, it is, in the end, only the opinion of one person. If you disagree, that's fine too.
  2. You might want to switch the order between combo color 3 and 4, so 4 and 1, which look very similar, don't come right after each other. fixed
  3. I'm not a very big fan of the hitnormals you're using. Personally I think the default soft and normal hitnormals work just fine. Hitsounds are just preference
[Insane]
  1. Opinion stuff first:
  2. 00:00:435 - 00:21:006 - For me, this part seems like you just placed a bunch of circles and sliders in 1/2 rhythm, and didn't really do much more in terms of making a consistent pattern, or in some way following more of the different sounds present here. Personally, I would for example use a 1/1 slider at 00:00:435 (1,2) - , and then be consistent, following the (how2describesound) sound at 00:05:920 - and 00:06:435 - with another pair of 1/1 sliders. This also makes it possible for more variation in rhythm without making it feel forced by making it random how many notes or 1/2 sliders are in a row before switching to the other. Obviously for 00:11:406 - etc as well. It's mainly 1/2 cause I followed the strongest beats mostly. About 1/1 sliders, I'm not that much of a fan of slider ends on strongest dnb beats so I'll have to disagree.
  3. 00:22:377 - I feel like this part has a similar problem as above. Basically, you're almost exclusively just going with 1/2's, which is fine in general, but then you should try to use the spacing to emphasize parts of the song, and sliders to bring out different parts of the music. For example, in the beginning, I would go with a rhythm similar to this http://i.imgur.com/tdD07PF.png , and arranging them as http://i.imgur.com/lZ4SVoE.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/VI95MXO.jpg . Of course these are in a mapping style closer to mine than yours, but the idea is basically that the difference in spacing between 00:22:377 (1,2,3) - (1,2) and (2,3) will emphasize the beat at 00:23:063 - , and then the same for 00:23:406 (4,5) - , and the beats at 00:24:435 (3,4,5,6) - are very close in intensity, so it feels nice to have about the same DS between them. Going all notes as well works since you want to hit all of those beats in the music. I mostly mapped it so the strongest beats are clickable and less noticable music hits are on slider ends. I will keep the paterning but will change the spacing so that stronger beats are more spaced then.
  4. 02:12:092 - For the kiai, I would go with something like http://i.imgur.com/ZWIEanS.png instead tbh, with bigger jumps between (1,2) and (3,4) than (2,3). I'll change it a little
  5. 02:55:977 - 03:17:920 - I feel like this section is much better mapped in terms of rhythm. Most of the longer vocals are on a slider, and you're consistent in terms of how powerful the notes feel at parts like 03:04:206 (1,2,3,4) - and 03:07:292 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4) - . The only thing is maybe the buildup at 03:14:835 - being a bit big compared to how easy the sliders before are. I'll try to fix the buildup a bit.
  6. 04:01:806 - Also, for the kiai, it's probably fine to add triples to put emphasis on some beats, but right now (both here and in previous kiai) they're kind of randomly placed (or at least feel randomly placed. I can't tell what logic you're using in placing them), and thus makes them feel overmapped.
  7. 04:45:692 - For the endpart, a slider/note pattern like: http://i.imgur.com/DPMsazD.png would work nicely imo. Still just a row of 1/2, but less random in terms of what's being followed in the song. I can see what you want to follow here, but I still want to go with the drums.
  8. Most of these things are suggestions as to how you can make the 1/2's more interesting, as the song is long and repetitive. Yeah I will consider
  1. The mod below will base itself on your current map and style. If you consider the points above and do anything about them, there's probably things here you can disregard. If some idea below feels nice to you, remember to apply them for similar parts of the map as well.
  2. 00:02:835 (4) - ctrl+g? Flows nicely as it follows the curve from (2,3) into the sliderhead, and if you feel you want more circular flow, you can place 00:03:349 (2) - on the right side instead of left side. It makes kinda of a huge jump from 4 to 1 at the this calm spot randomly then.
  3. 00:11:749 (2,4) - Maybe move these closer to the previous slider, and further from the next sliders, so the distance emphasizes the beat on the sliderheads? You may do this at 00:06:263 (2,4) - as well, although they're not as noticeable since the spacing is already fairly big there overall. Good idea
  4. 00:20:149 (4) - I would move this more to the right. Right now it's a 90 degree angle, which doesn't flow that well here imo. fix
  5. 00:23:406 (5,6) - I like the stack, but you should be consistent with it 00:28:892 (5) - ok
  6. 00:25:120 (1,2) - (1) to 242;344 and (2) to 99;245? Makes the pattern look a bit cleaner for me. okay
  7. 00:26:835 (2) - Imo, this note shouldn't be a part of the "repeating/rotating" triangle, since the next notes in the triangle are all when there is vocal. Yep
  8. 00:30:606 (1) - Move this to http://i.imgur.com/eC7IEMU.png ? Follows the triangular flow much better, and also flows better into the next slider imo (although you should slightly reposition and reshape the (3) slider) fix
  9. 00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - You can make the curves of these streams smoother. Right now they look pretty rough and unpolished. Use the slider->stream tool if you have a hard time making curvy streams. Okay, should look better now
  10. 00:42:949 (1,2,3,4) - Wouldn't it look neater if you made this into a smooth curve, rather than this weird L shaped thing. Yep
  11. 00:50:835 (5) - If you're going with these 1/4 sliders, I'd say you should make this a 1/4 as well. I'm not a very big fan of the 00:51:006 (6) though. Alright
  12. 00:52:377 (9) - same^ will leave this one how it is for time being
  13. 00:57:177 (4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1) - What are you following with the triples? I can't really hear any instrument going in that rhythm. Small wubs
  14. 01:02:835 (8,9,10,11) - These just doesn't look neat, when you put them right next to each other. Consider make them the same angle http://i.imgur.com/ItlT6pR.png ok
  15. 01:03:520 (1,2,3,4) - Same with these. You can use the rotate tool to make the rotation angle consistent. fixed
  16. 01:09:520 (1) - Kinda useless NC. Whoops
  17. 01:28:206 (4) - Put this further away from the (1,2,3)? Emphasizing the higher pitch on the vocal. You'll need to rework the pattern a bit to make everything look nice and play smoothly, but yeah. fix
  18. 01:41:920 - 01:43:120 - I don't quite get these triples either. You're not putting them on the beats to emphasize piano or anything, and I can't hear these triples, so yeah. Unless you're following something, I'd remove them, and even if you are following something, you should still consider it since there are probably more people than me that can't really tell what these triples are following. Same with the stream at 01:46:549 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - . Feels a bit artificially placed. There is a small background music on those blue ticks during that part, so I followed them. I used that change to get more tripples in the map since I didn't want to have everything as 1/2 .
  19. 02:06:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - You should space these out more, so the bigger jumps afterwards aren't so jarring. Alternatively, make the big jumps later at 02:09:349 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - less big, and instead have an increasing spacing. Changed a little
  20. 02:11:063 (5) - Make this follow the stream-curve? fix
  21. 02:16:377 (2,3,4) - The stack is a bit flow-killing imo, since you're stopping mid-pattern. The triple at 02:17:235 (7,8,9) - works much better as it's at the end of a stanza, but this one is pretty jarring in-play. Spaced it
  22. 02:18:777 (6,1,2) - This flows pretty badly. Feels much more natural to move (1) underneath (6) somewhere, rather than to the left. Maybe something like this? http://i.imgur.com/E3R3h1G.jpg alright
  23. 02:24:435 (1) - A bit too close to (6) after such a huge jump imo. Maybe move this to 345;201? k
  24. 02:25:977 (2,3) - Doesn't feel like the jump should be here. The stronger note is (2), so if anyhing, (1,2) should have the jump imo. I think that 3 is stronger than 2
  25. 02:28:377 - I still don't really get these. Will consider
  26. 02:32:320 (4,6) - NC on both and move (6) a bit so they're parallell? Something like http://i.imgur.com/l6c26nt.png works
  27. 02:34:892 (4,5,6) - That's a preeeetty big jump all of a sudden, and it doesn't really go up there again either until much later, even though the general power of the song remains around the same level. Consider reducing the spacing here a bit. reduced
  28. 02:35:749 (2,3) - While these 1/4 are interesting, they don't seem to follow anything. They work out much better later at 02:45:692 (3,4,5,6) - , and you should follow the same thing for these 1/4 imo. Keeping for now, will consider though.
  29. 02:53:577 (2) - Move this to 343;179 maybe? Since it's a "build-down" kind of thing, It'd be more interesting if this one has the note not stacked on the sliderend, while the next one does. Sure
  30. 03:10:892 (5,1) - Stack kinda kills flow. Fixed
  31. 03:14:835 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - As I was saying above, These should start out closer, and gradually build up the spacing, rather than start out big, so it's a proper build-up. Changed a bit
  32. 03:18:006 (1) - Start at 03:18:263 - to follow vocal? ok
  33. 03:28:892 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - Personal preference, but I'd move these out a bit more from the center, so they don't overlap. I know you won't see it ingame, but you'll still see that they're occupying the same space. And it's not quite symmetrical either http://i.imgur.com/8O7MWIq.png fixed
  34. 04:00:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - The previous jump doesn't flow into this curve at all. Consider rotating it to something like this: http://i.imgur.com/mqVoAhm.png rotated
  35. 04:02:663 (4,5) - The jump being between (5,6) works better for me: http://i.imgur.com/5Sp7I3q.png made them both as jumps
  36. 04:07:806 (3) - Flow feels more natural if you ctrl+g this. Overall the way 04:07:292 (1,3) - overlaps doesn't look very good either, so consider fixing that too. yeah changed
  37. 04:45:692 - ctrl+g? If you do this, same for 04:50:149 (2) - . Nice circular flow imo. Don't want a 1/6 slider jump
  38. 04:51:692 (3,4) - Should be higher spacing here to emphasize the (4) imo. sure
To summarize:
  1. General flow of the map is fine. Most of the time notes will transition into each other pretty well, although some parts could be better.
  2. Patterning could be much better. Things like 04:30:606 (1,2,3,4,5) - for example just looks really chaotic and without any set structure for the pattern: http://i.imgur.com/2KXXCWB.jpg . Same with things like 04:59:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - http://i.imgur.com/pqGt3H4.png etc.
  3. The rhythm is very centered around 1/2, which is fine in itself, but there are many ways to make 1/2 more interesting and following the song more closely than you have done.
  4. A lot of random triples and streams that I'm not sure is actually following anything, which makes them feel overmapped.
I guess in the end what I'm trying to say is that there's more than just the drums to follow, and it would make the map far more interesting if you varied that in the map. Constantly hitting out a 1/2 rhythm is often pretty boring, especially for a 5 minute long map.

From what I can see, the map still needs more work before it's ready. The basic idea of the map is good, but there's a lot of polish that can go into note placement and rhythm.
Good luck though!
Thanks! I'll check it a bit later. Was very helpful, I'll try to make it much better then and take a close look again.
Exa
[Insane]


00:02:835 (4,1,2,3,4) - While this pattern provides relatively good flow, it not only looks bad because it is asymmetrical, but IF it was symmetrical, it would provide the player with better flow and readability because the hitobjects of said pattern would be in their expected place (due to symmetry). Your best bet is to create a rhombus, but with how you have placed the final slider, it is currently impossible.
00:04:206 (6,1,2) - Select (6,1), copy and paste them somewhere on the timeline and rotate by 90 degrees, then move accordingly so the new (6) is above the old (1). New (1) will be moving accordingly and the position it will be when you are do what I told you is the best position to place (2). This is not only for respecting the general symmetry but also respecting the flow and the DS used here.
00:08:492 (6) - Avoid starting sliders on red ticks.
00:09:177 (3,1) - Their overlap looks ugly.
00:09:692 (5,1,2) - Besides, there are plenty of 3 slider patterns that use alternating flow except this one.
00:16:549 (5,1) - Look where the tail of (5) is facing and where is the head of (1). Your are making a transition that forces the player to move hit cursor in a way that your hitobjects do not suggest. This way, not only the general flow becomes unstable but it's also really unpleasant to play to.
00:17:406 (3,4) - You are transiting up from the slider while it's facing right, why not use a straight slider here?
00:21:006 (1,2) - I kept tapping this falsely, you have not made the player familiar with 3/4 rhythms so far and that's why this is too sudden.
00:23:235 (4,5,6) - Compare this with 00:25:292 (2,3,4) - this. They are practically the same with the only difference being the lack of alternating vocals in the first one. Do not treat such rhythms with so extensive variety, because while it seems fine; it might create inconsistency issues.
00:28:892 (5,6) - The presence of another audio sample here is the only reason you should not use an anti jump, why not move (6) at around (238,84)?
00:34:377 (5,6) - Again, same here, avoid the anti jump.
00:35:063 (2,3,4,5) - The flow here is extremely unstable, bare with me: You assume curved flow that starts by entering this pattern from the first slider, which quickly moves towards the left and then a bit down. Then you transit into the last slider by going bottom right, which is currently fine because it's a really common sharp flow. But then, you forcefully make the player follow an completely opposite direction, that being bottom right using a slider shape, without making room for much movement because of the presence of a slider. The flow is as complex as it sounds and that's why it is unstable and, after all, unpleasant to play to.
00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3) - While there are 1/4 beats here, most blue ticks have nothing. Please recheck.
00:49:806 (1) - Why not use a reverse slider here instead of an oddly shaped slider.
00:50:492 (3,4,5,6,1) - There are again very questionable because they are very sudden.
00:53:920 (1,2,3,4) - Same as the pattern in the beginning, it's asymmetrical when it could follow the basic principles of symmetry.
00:57:177 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Fix the combos here, you give out too much HPregen with these. Also use a bit less than normal single note DS.
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - Don't do this, this is supposed to be a calm part but you make it harsh with the small-time-gap-jumps.
01:41:063 (3,4) - Transitions like these should generally be avoided. Sliders have a specific shape because you altern their head and tail in a certain way so it follows the flow. Using a slider, only because you used it before is not enough.

[General]


- I could keep going and point out the same stuff over and over, but I think you get the point that this clearly needs more work than you might think. It has little to no structure and lacks patterns in a huge degree. The most well-playing patterns in your map are some triangles that include a back-and-forth movement. Recheck all your streams and make sure they actually have beats in their whole of them. Go though your map and search for spacing inconsistency. Most importantly though, sit down and think of more patterns to use in your beatmap; these will create the consistency you are looking for and in the long run- make it fun.

Call me again when you think you've really done the best you possible can, I will edit this post and continue my mod.
Topic Starter
Strategas

Exa wrote:

[Insane]


00:02:835 (4,1,2,3,4) - While this pattern provides relatively good flow, it not only looks bad because it is asymmetrical, but IF it was symmetrical, it would provide the player with better flow and readability because the hitobjects of said pattern would be in their expected place (due to symmetry). Your best bet is to create a rhombus, but with how you have placed the final slider, it is currently impossible. Okay changed
00:04:206 (6,1,2) - Select (6,1), copy and paste them somewhere on the timeline and rotate by 90 degrees, then move accordingly so the new (6) is above the old (1). New (1) will be moving accordingly and the position it will be when you are do what I told you is the best position to place (2). This is not only for respecting the general symmetry but also respecting the flow and the DS used here. Changed in another way
00:08:492 (6) - Avoid starting sliders on red ticks. It fits.
00:09:177 (3,1) - Their overlap looks ugly. It's really unnoticable, but ok
00:09:692 (5,1,2) - Besides, there are plenty of 3 slider patterns that use alternating flow except this one. Not sure what do you mean
00:16:549 (5,1) - Look where the tail of (5) is facing and where is the head of (1). Your are making a transition that forces the player to move hit cursor in a way that your hitobjects do not suggest. This way, not only the general flow becomes unstable but it's also really unpleasant to play to. Rotated a little bit
00:17:406 (3,4) - You are transiting up from the slider while it's facing right, why not use a straight slider here? It doesn't make a difference, it completely plays the same, just wanted it to look more interesting.
00:21:006 (1,2) - I kept tapping this falsely, you have not made the player familiar with 3/4 rhythms so far and that's why this is too sudden. It fits. Even if it is sudden it is not hard to read. It would be really lame if I ended slider on the white tick, and might be a little missleading since the sound would be before it even ended.
00:23:235 (4,5,6) - Compare this with 00:25:292 (2,3,4) - this. They are practically the same with the only difference being the lack of alternating vocals in the first one. Do not treat such rhythms with so extensive variety, because while it seems fine; it might create inconsistency issues. But they aren't the same I mapped the stack in the first because of the sound it had there, where it didn't happen in the 2nd part it linked.
00:28:892 (5,6) - The presence of another audio sample here is the only reason you should not use an anti jump, why not move (6) at around (238,84)? Alright
00:34:377 (5,6) - Again, same here, avoid the anti jump. I will change all of these
00:35:063 (2,3,4,5) - The flow here is extremely unstable, bare with me: You assume curved flow that starts by entering this pattern from the first slider, which quickly moves towards the left and then a bit down. Then you transit into the last slider by going bottom right, which is currently fine because it's a really common sharp flow. But then, you forcefully make the player follow an completely opposite direction, that being bottom right using a slider shape, without making room for much movement because of the presence of a slider. The flow is as complex as it sounds and that's why it is unstable and, after all, unpleasant to play to. Changed
00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3) - While there are 1/4 beats here, most blue ticks have nothing. Please recheck. I think it's fine since those are 1/4 slider ends.
00:49:806 (1) - Why not use a reverse slider here instead of an oddly shaped slider. Because it fits. It's oddly shaped because it follows the wub.
00:50:492 (3,4,5,6,1) - There are again very questionable because they are very sudden. True, but I want it to be more interesting.
00:53:920 (1,2,3,4) - Same as the pattern in the beginning, it's asymmetrical when it could follow the basic principles of symmetry. Changed
00:57:177 (1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1) - Fix the combos here, you give out too much HPregen with these. Also use a bit less than normal single note DS. The NCs are the to emphasis paterns, I don't see the problem with ds either.
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - Don't do this, this is supposed to be a calm part but you make it harsh with the small-time-gap-jumps. These jumps are almost non existant cause it's slider jumps...
01:41:063 (3,4) - Transitions like these should generally be avoided. Sliders have a specific shape because you altern their head and tail in a certain way so it follows the flow. Using a slider, only because you used it before is not enough. Okay, rotated them

[General]


- I could keep going and point out the same stuff over and over, but I think you get the point that this clearly needs more work than you might think. It has little to no structure and lacks patterns in a huge degree. The most well-playing patterns in your map are some triangles that include a back-and-forth movement. Recheck all your streams and make sure they actually have beats in their whole of them. Go though your map and search for spacing inconsistency. Most importantly though, sit down and think of more patterns to use in your beatmap; these will create the consistency you are looking for and in the long run- make it fun. I'm doing all I can. That's why I need other people to look at things that I may not notice.

Call me again when you think you've really done the best you possible can, I will edit this post and continue my mod.
I'll check on this a bit later, thanks for modding!
neonat
Insane

00:08:492 (6) - this sticks out. I'd rather you just have a circle at 00:08:492 - it's seriously silent at 00:08:663
00:16:892 (1,2) - having the circle straight down after that curved slider, the issue is that after that the movement of 00:17:235 (2,3) is not ideal and the overall line of flow with these 3 is not great
00:17:406 (3,4,5) - ^
00:26:149 (6,1) - I try to shrug it off at times, but the feeling of it being underwhelming here is pretty strong, also their direction could change to help avoid that
00:50:492 (3,4,5,6) - these 1/4s are additive and not in the music...
00:54:435 (4,5,6,7,8) - overmapped on nothing in the music, there's only a triplet starting from 00:55:120
00:57:606 (8) - remove and jump between 00:57:520 (7,9)
01:00:606 (4) - 01:00:777 is a critical beat but it's overlooked with it being a repeat of a slider, the emphasis of the start of a section is gone

I've reached 01:02:063 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - and really. Overmapping with the streams doesn't help the music at all. There is nothing wrong with using 1/2 rhythms, the point is that when it comes along with the music, it has to come naturally.

I honestly think this is one thing to note and in regards to the shapes, you could do away with some overlaps imo and things could come out neater.

Good Luck
Topic Starter
Strategas

neonat wrote:

Insane

00:08:492 (6) - this sticks out. I'd rather you just have a circle at 00:08:492 - it's seriously silent at 00:08:663 it follows the vocal and there is a small tick sound on the big white tick.
00:16:892 (1,2) - having the circle straight down after that curved slider, the issue is that after that the movement of 00:17:235 (2,3) is not ideal and the overall line of flow with these 3 is not great fix
00:17:406 (3,4,5) - ^ fix
00:26:149 (6,1) - I try to shrug it off at times, but the feeling of it being underwhelming here is pretty strong, also their direction could change to help avoid that alright
00:50:492 (3,4,5,6) - these 1/4s are additive and not in the music... those follow small wubs
00:54:435 (4,5,6,7,8) - overmapped on nothing in the music, there's only a triplet starting from 00:55:120 I hear it in the background
00:57:606 (8) - remove and jump between 00:57:520 (7,9) sure
01:00:606 (4) - 01:00:777 is a critical beat but it's overlooked with it being a repeat of a slider, the emphasis of the start of a section is gone fix
I've reached 01:02:063 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,1) - and really. Overmapping with the streams doesn't help the music at all. There is nothing with using 1/2 rhythms, the point is that when it comes along with the music, it has to come naturally. I hear all of those in the background and I do feel like it fits

I honestly think this is one thing to note and in regards to the shapes, you could do away with some overlaps imo and things could come out neater.

well one of my first maps can't really say much about it's neatness, I can see that myself after I mapped a lot more now.

Good Luck

I'll come back to this map sometime later, thanks for mod!
RVMathew
Hi there. You posted a request on my modding queue 2 months ago: t/336458/start=15. I apologize for taking so long to do a mod on your map.

Note that whatever I say is my own opinion so you do not have to follow everything I say. Changes are separated into boxes.

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1) Data used: http://www.sketchuprecordings.com/suprcd007/
Title: Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix) the J is capitalized.
Source: SKETCH UP! REMIXIES (Album, and that is not a typo on my part; check the source data and the album art) You can also put it on tags if you want.


2) Difficulty Name: You can chose a custom one considering the ranked beatmap has one and most approved ones have a custom difficulty name.

Strategas's Insane
1) 00:01:463 Overlaps are fine, but I think that the map will look a lot more better if you do not use that many overlaps. Make use of the whole playing field. The rhythm here is fine, but I think note placement can be improved; just by using the whole playfield for the beginning section, you might see that the overall feel of the map will be better.

2) 00:23:577 Considering that in the combo, all earlier notes were roughly the same distance apart, wouldn't it make sense for this note to be also be the same distance apart from the previous note? If you do make this the same distance, you can try a nice triangle pattern: However, when I was playing the beatmap for the 1st time I still hit it fine; this is more for aesthetics ( hence I stress equal distances between notes)

Other instances where this occurs: 00:29:063 , 00:34:549*

*I would like to mention if you keep that pattern, this note is not centered properly inside the triangle.

3) 00:44:149 Perhaps the spacing between the triplet is too little for an insane difficulty?

Other instances where this occurs: 00:53:749

4) 00:55:292 and 00:55:635 Straighten out both sliders (move 00:55:292 to x: 212, y:74). At 00:55:977, move the note to x:280, y:233.
The change will look like this, and a lot better than before:
5) 01:00:606 I do not think you should curve the slider as it ruins the look of the diamond pattern:
6) 01:06:263 and 01:06:777. I do not understand why the sliders should end on the blue tick, because if you listen closely and over and over again, linking the sliders like that when there is no obvious sound does not sound right, and ruins the feel of the song. I would recommend the sliders end at 01:06:606 and 01:07:120 because it sounds better. What I do like though is the change in volumes; it makes this part a lot nicer. Look at the rhythm pattern at 01:17:235 to see what I am trying to get at.

Other instances where this occurs: 01:09:006 and 01:09:520, 01:11:749 and 01:12:263, 01:14:492 and 01:15:006

7) 01:18:435 The overlap looks messy. I would move it somewhere else like this (or try something better):
Try and avoid overlaps like these.

Other instances where this occurs: 01:21:177

8) 01:23:920 and 01:26:492: I would make them the same shape; since you have the same rhythm pattern, it looks better if you copy the slider shapes as well.

9) 01:28:549 You can try a star pattern for example:
If you can get the positioning right, you can get the last note of the star pattern to flow into the next note seamlessly, and that is a great thing to do.

10) 01:50:149 I would try and avoid intersecting the previous slider. It does not look good.
11) 02:12:006 Somehow this rhythm pattern is better than the current one, though I may be wrong:
12) 02:55:292 The idea of using increasing distance snap is a nice idea, but then when it is put into that W pattern, it looks a bit weird to me.

13) 04:14:663 Tuck this note underneath note 2 (04:14:320), looks a lot better.

14) 04:59:920 to 05:00:606 Convert this to a star jump. Currently the pattern looks too cramped and hence does not look pleasing.

Final thoughts: The rhythm is great, so I could not find any major error apart from those sliders I mentioned earlier in the mod. However, if there is one major thing I can tell you, it is to try and reduce the amount of times you overlap; make use of the whole playfield and you can stack some notes. It will look a lot better that way.

Good luck and again I apologize for making you wait 2 months for my mod. If you need anything else from me, just forum PM me.

Edit: You can move it to pending.
Topic Starter
Strategas

RVMathew wrote:

Hi there. You posted a request on my modding queue 2 months ago: t/336458/start=15. I apologize for taking so long to do a mod on your map.

Note that whatever I say is my own opinion so you do not have to follow everything I say. Changes are separated into boxes.

Metadata
1) Data used: http://www.sketchuprecordings.com/suprcd007/
Title: Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix) the J is capitalized. Fix
Source: SKETCH UP! REMIXIES (Album, and that is not a typo on my part; check the source data and the album art) You can also put it on tags if you want.


2) Difficulty Name: You can chose a custom one considering the ranked beatmap has one and most approved ones have a custom difficulty name. I know, just I'm not very creative with names :(

Strategas's Insane
1) 00:01:463 Overlaps are fine, but I think that the map will look a lot more better if you do not use that many overlaps. Make use of the whole playing field. The rhythm here is fine, but I think note placement can be improved; just by using the whole playfield for the beginning section, you might see that the overall feel of the map will be better. Yeah I agree I overused overlaping, will try to make other paterns.

2) 00:23:577 Considering that in the combo, all earlier notes were roughly the same distance apart, wouldn't it make sense for this note to be also be the same distance apart from the previous note? If you do make this the same distance, you can try a nice triangle pattern: However, when I was playing the beatmap for the 1st time I still hit it fine; this is more for aesthetics ( hence I stress equal distances between notes)

Other instances where this occurs: 00:29:063 , 00:34:549*

*I would like to mention if you keep that pattern, this note is not centered properly inside the triangle.

I just wanted to split the ds into two parts, making a nice jump to the NC, but you're right it kinda looks bad lol, I don't think triangle patern fits since it goes 1-2 1-2.

3) 00:44:149 Perhaps the spacing between the triplet is too little for an insane difficulty?

Other instances where this occurs: 00:53:749

I think it's alright the tripple isn't very intense

4) 00:55:292 and 00:55:635 Straighten out both sliders (move 00:55:292 to x: 212, y:74). At 00:55:977, move the note to x:280, y:233.
The change will look like this, and a lot better than before: k
5) 01:00:606 I do not think you should curve the slider as it ruins the look of the diamond pattern: fix
6) 01:06:263 and 01:06:777. I do not understand why the sliders should end on the blue tick, because if you listen closely and over and over again, linking the sliders like that when there is no obvious sound does not sound right, and ruins the feel of the song. I would recommend the sliders end at 01:06:606 and 01:07:120 because it sounds better. What I do like though is the change in volumes; it makes this part a lot nicer. Look at the rhythm pattern at 01:17:235 to see what I am trying to get at.

It got extended because the sound continues for a long time and the part where it's normal I follow vocal instead.

Other instances where this occurs: 01:09:006 and 01:09:520, 01:11:749 and 01:12:263, 01:14:492 and 01:15:006

7) 01:18:435 The overlap looks messy. I would move it somewhere else like this (or try something better):
Try and avoid overlaps like these.

Other instances where this occurs: 01:21:177

fix
8) 01:23:920 and 01:26:492: I would make them the same shape; since you have the same rhythm pattern, it looks better if you copy the slider shapes as well. fix

9) 01:28:549 You can try a star pattern for example:
If you can get the positioning right, you can get the last note of the star pattern to flow into the next note seamlessly, and that is a great thing to do.

ah well I'm following different things here, I can't really make a star here if I consider the pitch of the voice, those small triangles emphasises it pretty well I think

10) 01:50:149 I would try and avoid intersecting the previous slider. It does not look good. fix
11) 02:12:006 Somehow this rhythm pattern is better than the current one, though I may be wrong: but there's nothing on the red tick :(
12) 02:55:292 The idea of using increasing distance snap is a nice idea, but then when it is put into that W pattern, it looks a bit weird to me.
ok changed
13) 04:14:663 Tuck this note underneath note 2 (04:14:320), looks a lot better.

I like it this way more

14) 04:59:920 to 05:00:606 Convert this to a star jump. Currently the pattern looks too cramped and hence does not look pleasing. alright



Final thoughts: The rhythm is great, so I could not find any major error apart from those sliders I mentioned earlier in the mod. However, if there is one major thing I can tell you, it is to try and reduce the amount of times you overlap; make use of the whole playfield and you can stack some notes. It will look a lot better that way.

Good luck and again I apologize for making you wait 2 months for my mod. If you need anything else from me, just forum PM me.

Edit: You can move it to pending.
Thanks, will come back to this map at a later dateApplied.
Makeli
Yo! M4M from yer que ok cool

[General]
Idk maybe AR 9.2 would be better your choice here m8

[Galaxy of Oppai]

00:02:149 (2) - This flows gay to me (no offense to gay people. I don't mean the homosexual way of gay but the bad way of gay). Maybe ctrl+g?
00:16:549 (5,1) - This kind of slider curving just triggers me. http://puu.sh/kULGX/892c8c809b.jpg ?
00:19:120 (5,6) - Random big jump here you never did this before. I know there's a loud kick on the white tick but still. I suggest you keep the jump but maybe a bit lower ds. Maybe you could apply this the whole starting whatever it's called maybe you know what I mean lol
00:21:692 (2) - Not completely sure but shouldn't this be nc'd since sv changes
00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3) - You mapped the super silent 1/4 m8 plox. Not really anything wrong with that just a random pick
01:06:006 (1) - Make it end at the blue tick and start at the white tick like this http://puu.sh/kUM4B/3ad0237e97.jpg
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - Wow, Many sliders much overlap. Doesn't look good imo
01:11:749 (1,2) - No pls no 01:10:035 (3,1) - these overlap too which looks dumb
01:17:920 (3) - Ctrl+g?
01:20:663 (3) - ^ btw 01:19:977 (2,4) - these two overlap
01:32:663 (6) - 1/1 Slider?
01:50:492 (2) - NC? sv change
02:11:406 (7) - ^
02:36:606 (7,1) - For some reason this felt just really awkward i have no idea why
02:48:263 (4) - This is really annyoing to play since it's closer to (3) than (2) well not really annyoing just random lol
03:18:263 (1) - Move this spinner to 03:18:006 - keep the end at the same point
04:01:806 (1) - Overlappy pls fixerino
04:23:063 (3) - Hnnnnggghhhh.... just please move this closer to (2) or just stack it
04:35:406 (3) - NC sv change
04:52:892 (2) - ctrl+g?
05:00:606 (8,1) - oh i hate it when people do this. this is just my opinion don't give two shits about this if you like it but the spacing is bad with that

All in all your spacing seems a bit off imo but I really like playing this map.
Hope this helps at least in some way.
Good luck! :)
Kalibe
Let's do this

Metadata: It's good, but japanese in tags isn't nessesary imo :3

[Galaxy Of Weekend]

00:11:063 (5) - remove red struction and make normal linear slider
00:13:120 (2,3,4) - hmm... http://puu.sh/kUOc1/06ec7914a1.jpg ?
00:34:720 to 00:40:035 - you should add here some triplets to beat the rhythm, you know?
00:51:692 (4) - NC?
00:54:777 (7) - ctrl + G?
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - please, avoid this overlapping. It's so confusing :?
01:09:006 (1,2,3) - but this is good pattern to make overlap :3
01:36:263 (1,2,3,5,6) - not nessesary 0.4 DS. Try use 1.0, it isn't slow part here
01:42:006 (2,3) - bad place to triplet :?
02:45:692 (3,4,5,6) - better rhythm imo : http://puu.sh/kUOLT/a41cc51657.jpg
02:47:920 (2) - stack on (4)
03:28:892 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - omm... don't symmetry this. Ye i know it's cool, but i prefer to put at random places :3
03:45:863 (3,5,7) - NC all to create a nicely readable pattern?
03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i don't like symmetry 1/4 sliders, but ok ;w;
03:54:006 (3) - overmapped
03:54:692 (6,8) - ^ imo

And, that's all GL :3
Topic Starter
Strategas

Maakkeli wrote:

Yo! M4M from yer que ok cool

[General]
Idk maybe AR 9.2 would be better your choice here m8 note density is pretty low here

[Galaxy of Oppai]

00:02:149 (2) - This flows gay to me (no offense to gay people. I don't mean the homosexual way of gay but the bad way of gay). Maybe ctrl+g?
00:16:549 (5,1) - This kind of slider curving just triggers me. http://puu.sh/kULGX/892c8c809b.jpg ? yea, I'll do that
00:19:120 (5,6) - Random big jump here you never did this before. I know there's a loud kick on the white tick but still. I suggest you keep the jump but maybe a bit lower ds. Maybe you could apply this the whole starting whatever it's called maybe you know what I mean lol
00:21:692 (2) - Not completely sure but shouldn't this be nc'd since sv changes sure
00:40:206 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,1,2,3) - You mapped the super silent 1/4 m8 plox. Not really anything wrong with that just a random pick I tried to use all of the variety I could get
01:06:006 (1) - Make it end at the blue tick and start at the white tick like this http://puu.sh/kUM4B/3ad0237e97.jpg It currently starts and ends where the sound is even though it might be lame to play
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - Wow, Many sliders much overlap. Doesn't look good imo fix
01:11:749 (1,2) - No pls no 01:10:035 (3,1) - these overlap too which looks dumb fix
01:17:920 (3) - Ctrl+g? ok
01:20:663 (3) - ^ btw 01:19:977 (2,4) - these two overlap fix
01:32:663 (6) - 1/1 Slider? works
01:50:492 (2) - NC? sv change k
02:11:406 (7) - ^ k
02:36:606 (7,1) - For some reason this felt just really awkward i have no idea why fixed the flow I guess
02:48:263 (4) - This is really annyoing to play since it's closer to (3) than (2) well not really annyoing just random lol ok made it even more random
03:18:263 (1) - Move this spinner to 03:18:006 - keep the end at the same point sure
04:01:806 (1) - Overlappy pls fixerino fixerinoed
04:23:063 (3) - Hnnnnggghhhh.... just please move this closer to (2) or just stack it moved the 2 on top instead
04:35:406 (3) - NC sv change it's k rather keep this one consistent
04:52:892 (2) - ctrl+g? kinda breaks flow
05:00:606 (8,1) - oh i hate it when people do this. this is just my opinion don't give two shits about this if you like it but the spacing is bad with that moved it a bit up then

All in all your spacing seems a bit off imo but I really like playing this map.
Hope this helps at least in some way. Yeah I'll try to fix the remaining things, this was made long time ago anyway. Thanks!
Good luck! :)
Topic Starter
Strategas

Kalibe wrote:

Let's do this

Metadata: It's good, but japanese in tags isn't nessesary imo :3

[Galaxy Of Weekend]

00:11:063 (5) - remove red struction and make normal linear slider ok
00:13:120 (2,3,4) - hmm... http://puu.sh/kUOc1/06ec7914a1.jpg ? I think it's ok
00:34:720 to 00:40:035 - you should add here some triplets to beat the rhythm, you know? idk I decided to follow the stronger beat there, but maybe I'll add some
00:51:692 (4) - NC? I'll keep it consistent
00:54:777 (7) - ctrl + G? It plays better like this I think
01:06:263 (1,2,3) - please, avoid this overlapping. It's so confusing :? fix
01:09:006 (1,2,3) - but this is good pattern to make overlap :3
01:36:263 (1,2,3,5,6) - not nessesary 0.4 DS. Try use 1.0, it isn't slow part here it's pretty calm though
01:42:006 (2,3) - bad place to triplet :? not in the music or placement? I didn't really understand
02:45:692 (3,4,5,6) - better rhythm imo : http://puu.sh/kUOLT/a41cc51657.jpg I like how the last slider follow the wub
02:47:920 (2) - stack on (4) okkkkkk
03:28:892 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3) - omm... don't symmetry this. Ye i know it's cool, but i prefer to put at random places :3 I prefer to have it structured than random
03:45:863 (3,5,7) - NC all to create a nicely readable pattern? I put NC on one for consistency
03:48:092 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - i don't like symmetry 1/4 sliders, but ok ;w; rotated them a bit
03:54:006 (3) - overmapped I feel like it fits
03:54:692 (6,8) - ^ imo ^

And, that's all GL :3
Thanks!
FCL
NM from my queue

  • [diffl]
  1. 00:18:263 (1) - why not copy 00:17:920 (5) - and ctrl+H?
  2. 00:45:349 (5,6) - the distance between them should be more, imo
  3. 00:49:120 (5,6,7,8) - again, you can make jumps here, following the voice
  4. 00:53:577 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - i suggest rotate a little bit
  5. 00:55:977 (3,4) - on (4) circle haven't clearly expressed sound, so I think that don't need make this big distance
  6. 01:12:777 (3) - it's boring, maybe make like this or something similar
  7. 02:20:835 (4,1) - ugly stack with end
  8. 03:07:292 (2) - maybe move on 272;268 for create patterns in form of star?
  9. 03:39:863 (1,2) - 03:40:377 (3,4) - - these patterns should be with same distance, i guess
  10. 03:40:892 (1,2,3,4) - ^
  11. 04:02:149 (2) - i don't like place of this slider here, maybe move on 320;124?
  12. 04:37:463 - you should start stream here, imo
  13. 05:02:663 (3,4) - make more distance
Good luck!
Topic Starter
Strategas

FCL wrote:

NM from my queue

  • [diffl]
  1. 00:18:263 (1) - why not copy 00:17:920 (5) - and ctrl+H? yea, didn't notice they weren't even
  2. 00:45:349 (5,6) - the distance between them should be more, imo it's ok I think, everywhere else on same beat has same spacing or is stacked
  3. 00:49:120 (5,6,7,8) - again, you can make jumps here, following the voice It's not that intense I think
  4. 00:53:577 (5,6,1,2,3,4) - i suggest rotate a little bit ok
  5. 00:55:977 (3,4) - on (4) circle haven't clearly expressed sound, so I think that don't need make this big distance shrinked it a bit
  6. 01:12:777 (3) - it's boring, maybe make like this or something similar ok
  7. 02:20:835 (4,1) - ugly stack with end fix
  8. 03:07:292 (2) - maybe move on 272;268 for create patterns in form of star? ok
  9. 03:39:863 (1,2) - 03:40:377 (3,4) - - these patterns should be with same distance, i guess ok
  10. 03:40:892 (1,2,3,4) - ^
  11. 04:02:149 (2) - i don't like place of this slider here, maybe move on 320;124? you mean circle? sure
  12. 04:37:463 - you should start stream here, imo I think it's ok, I put it where the sound was most noticable
  13. 05:02:663 (3,4) - make more distance ye
Good luck!
Thanks!
chucentry
Hi Strategas

Galaxy Of Dreams
00:37:206 (8) - remove. and do the triple here 00:37:377 -

00:37:892 (3) - remove, and do the triple when finish the slider ( put note here 00:37:720 - )

00:51:692 (4,5,6,7,8) - i feel bad the placement but its my opinion. if u want to change here x:300 Y: 76 IF U WANT

01:37:292 (5,6,7) - is hard to read but not bad

01:42:006 (2) - this triple lsiten bad. maybe do the triple here 01:41:835 - or 01:42:177 -

02:17:320 (8) - remove. can do the triple here 02:17:492 -

02:21:435 (7) - same but here 02:21:606 -

02:22:120 (3) - remove it and if u want the triple put here 02:22:635 -

02:31:035 (6) - same but here 02:31:206 -

02:33:349 (1) - maybe make the continue stream. i mean make this slider a triple

02:34:377 (2) - blanket with 02:35:406 (1) - ?

02:39:263 - remove and triple here 02:39:435 -

02:41:920 (5,6,7) - this triple feels akward maybe remove the 02:42:006 (6) - and can put the future 6 (02:42:092 (6) - ) in x:322 y:108

02:48:263 (4,5) - sound better for me if the slider start in white tick and note stay before the slider

03:01:549 (2) - remove

03:52:635 (3) - triple here 03:52:463 - if u want it

03:53:235 (6,7,8,1) - add ntoe here 03:53:492 - and make a streak with 5 notes

03:54:006 (3) - remove. the triple is here 03:53:835 - i think

04:13:206 (3) - remove. the triple is here 04:13:377 - i think

04:16:635 (7) - remove it and 04:16:720 (7) - stack with the end of this slider 04:16:035 (4) -

In kiai try with more HS volume like 75%

Good luck!
Topic Starter
Strategas

chucentry wrote:

Hi Strategas

Galaxy Of Dreams
00:37:206 (8) - remove. and do the triple here 00:37:377 - ok

00:37:892 (3) - remove, and do the triple when finish the slider ( put note here 00:37:720 - ) ok

00:51:692 (4,5,6,7,8) - i feel bad the placement but its my opinion. if u want to change here x:300 Y: 76 IF U WANT ok

01:37:292 (5,6,7) - is hard to read but not bad it's slow so easy to read

01:42:006 (2) - this triple lsiten bad. maybe do the triple here 01:41:835 - or 01:42:177 - feels fine to me

02:17:320 (8) - remove. can do the triple here 02:17:492 - ok

02:21:435 (7) - same but here 02:21:606 -

02:22:120 (3) - remove it and if u want the triple put here 02:22:635 -

02:31:035 (6) - same but here 02:31:206 - changed all these

02:33:349 (1) - maybe make the continue stream. i mean make this slider a triple nah, it would be overmap

02:34:377 (2) - blanket with 02:35:406 (1) - ? ok

02:39:263 - remove and triple here 02:39:435 -

02:41:920 (5,6,7) - this triple feels akward maybe remove the 02:42:006 (6) - and can put the future 6 (02:42:092 (6) - ) in x:322 y:108 change

02:48:263 (4,5) - sound better for me if the slider start in white tick and note stay before the slider it sounds the same though lol

03:01:549 (2) - remove no, it follows the instrument

03:52:635 (3) - triple here 03:52:463 - if u want it I like that part

03:53:235 (6,7,8,1) - add ntoe here 03:53:492 - and make a streak with 5 notes I intended something else here

03:54:006 (3) - remove. the triple is here 03:53:835 - i think nah

04:13:206 (3) - remove. the triple is here 04:13:377 - i think ok

04:16:635 (7) - remove it and 04:16:720 (7) - stack with the end of this slider 04:16:035 (4) - ok

In kiai try with more HS volume like 75% its very loud already because not soft hitsounds

Good luck!
Thanks!
BellxCranell
Sekmės stratėgas. Man dar reiks lipti iki tokio lygio, kad galėčiau žaist. :D
Lazer
From Kudosu Alchemists Queue

[Galaxy Of Dreams]
Change the difficulty name to "Galaxy of Dreams" (I think it would be better :^>)

00:05:406 (4) - I suggest lowering the spacing of this one
00:52:892 (2,4) - These two sound almost the same yet the first one has alot more spacing, maybe even it out?
01:32:663 (6) - this hits the HP bar
01:33:692 (3,1,2,3) - I suggest changing this pattern around a bit as it doesnt look that great imo
01:37:635 (7,1) - blanket plox
01:45:692 (8) - hits hp bar
02:04:549 (3) - move towards y:192
02:05:921 (3) - move towards y:192
02:06:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I would slowly make the slider velocity lower with increased spacing
02:26:663 (5) - lifebar hit
02:18:777 (6,1) - put emphasizement on the downbeat, not the beat before that
02:22:720 (7,1) - ^
02:39:006 (5,6) - align them correctly
02:40:378 (4,5,6,7,1) - this jump is so huge like why
02:49:977 (4) - lifebarbar
02:58:720 (1) - emphasize on this beat by making it more spaced than (2)
03:03:177 (2) - ctrl+g
03:06:606 (5,1) - touchy touchy ;w;
03:08:320 (2) - rip emphasism on this beat completely
04:59:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too extreme for this part
05:03:349 (7,1) - increase spacing on (1)
Topic Starter
Strategas

Lazer wrote:

From Kudosu Alchemists Queue

[Galaxy Of Dreams]
Change the difficulty name to "Galaxy of Dreams" (I think it would be better :^>) k

00:05:406 (4) - I suggest lowering the spacing of this one I guess it's a bit too much
00:52:892 (2,4) - These two sound almost the same yet the first one has alot more spacing, maybe even it out? The two is much stronger though, but I made it less spaced to match 00:53:577 (5) -
01:32:663 (6) - this hits the HP bar moved
01:33:692 (3,1,2,3) - I suggest changing this pattern around a bit as it doesnt look that great imo ok
01:37:635 (7,1) - blanket plox ok if I got what you meant
01:45:692 (8) - hits hp bar moved
02:04:549 (3) - move towards y:192
02:05:921 (3) - move towards y:192 moved both
02:06:606 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I would slowly make the slider velocity lower with increased spacing changed a little
02:26:663 (5) - lifebar hit moved
02:18:777 (6,1) - put emphasizement on the downbeat, not the beat before that I feel like the other note is more important to be emphasized
02:22:720 (7,1) - ^ the note before is emphasized with spacing while the downbeat gets emphasized by breaking the flow
02:39:006 (5,6) - align them correctly it wasn't my intention but why not
02:40:378 (4,5,6,7,1) - this jump is so huge like why 4 is building up 5 and 6 are just quite strong imo
02:49:977 (4) - lifebarbar fix
02:58:720 (1) - emphasize on this beat by making it more spaced than (2) 2 and 3 are stronger imo 1 is just the start of the beat
03:03:177 (2) - ctrl+g I don't want a huge jump to 3 for no reason
03:06:606 (5,1) - touchy touchy ;w; but they like touching ;)
03:08:320 (2) - rip emphasism on this beat completely I'll try to sort this out later, nothing comes to mind right now
04:59:406 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too extreme for this part I think it's ok, the ds isn't really higher than the biggest jumps here
05:03:349 (7,1) - increase spacing on (1) That's the part where I follow the buildup so it's low like that, I know there's a strong drum beat but I avoided all of strong beats in the whole patern there
Thank you for modding!
Topic Starter
Strategas

BellxCranell wrote:

Sekmės stratėgas. Man dar reiks lipti iki tokio lygio, kad galėčiau žaist. :D
Treniruokis :D
pishifat
z

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2015-10-30 13:49 Strategas: regarding extended sliders
2015-10-30 13:50 pishifat: z
2015-10-30 13:50 Strategas: http://i.imgur.com/NxKCGIy.png
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: where to use such paterns are good
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: what song tho
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: because a lot of places I tried either doesn't fit or just messes up the rhythm
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: like it all depends on the song
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: um
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: in general
2015-10-30 13:51 Strategas: dnb lets say
2015-10-30 13:51 pishifat: when there's no sound on the red tick
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: but if there's no sound on blue tick
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: it's still okay?
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: if there's no sound on either one it's k
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: you're like
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: making the white tick sound longer
2015-10-30 13:52 pishifat: by extending it like that
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/761035 Rameses B - Step Inside [Extra]]
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: 03:28:247 (3,4,5,1,2) -
2015-10-30 13:52 Strategas: is this usage fine?
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: sound on
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: the red tick where 3 is
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: the one on 1 is quieter
2015-10-30 13:53 pishifat: so it oculd be more acceptable
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: yeah I thought the same thing
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: but having only one of them
2015-10-30 13:53 Strategas: seemed weird
2015-10-30 13:54 pishifat: if that's true
2015-10-30 13:54 pishifat: having it on neither is the better option
2015-10-30 13:54 Strategas: probably so
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: 1/1 sliders work too
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: so for example if I use only 1/2 and 1/4
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: i use them just for aesthetics lul
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: for 5 minutes song
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: it's not a problem?
2015-10-30 13:55 pishifat: technically no
2015-10-30 13:55 Strategas: well I only use 1/1 for calm parts
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/812313 Tada Aoi - Yakeochinai Tsubasa (TV Size) [Strategas' Insane]]
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: 00:00:590 (1,1,1,1) -
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: like this
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: is suppose to be fine imo
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: oh wait
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: those are
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: almost 4/1
2015-10-30 13:56 Strategas: nvm
2015-10-30 13:56 pishifat: lol
2015-10-30 13:57 pishifat: that third one
2015-10-30 13:57 pishifat: ugly af
2015-10-30 13:57 Strategas: I thought it was okish :(
2015-10-30 14:00 Strategas: hmm, maybe you can find examples for 1/1 or 3/4 sliders which are pretty good?
2015-10-30 14:00 pishifat: in other maps?
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: yeah
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: your personal ones or other peoples
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: just to have good examples
2015-10-30 14:01 Strategas: I never really got an eye on them while playing
2015-10-30 14:01 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/766938 Marie - Clover Day's]
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: kiai in any diff as examples
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: 01:19:904 (1) -
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: is a 1/1
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: for the sake of emphasizing downbeat
2015-10-30 14:02 Strategas: 00:02:062 (2) -
2015-10-30 14:02 pishifat: and aestheticz
2015-10-30 14:02 Strategas: is it me or this note really got my attention for not having a beat on it
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: oh
2015-10-30 14:03 pishifat: which diff tho
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/766938 Marie - Clover Day's [Anzu]]
2015-10-30 14:03 Strategas: I mean
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: imo it would be better
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: hmm
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: idk
2015-10-30 14:04 Strategas: nvm
2015-10-30 14:04 pishifat: i get what you mean
2015-10-30 14:04 pishifat: i wouldnt put spacing like that if i had an object there either
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: do i example more
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: that map has a lot of them
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: no need
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: got the idea
2015-10-30 14:06 Strategas: that song almost had no sounds
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: o
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: lol
2015-10-30 14:06 pishifat: ill find a dnb song
2015-10-30 14:10 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/722224 Sawai Miku - Colorful. (Asterisk DnB Remix) [Megumi]]
2015-10-30 14:10 pishifat: has a lot
2015-10-30 14:10 Strategas: ah this one
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: at first when I saw it I really disliked it
2015-10-30 14:11 pishifat: like every kiai starts with a 1/1
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: cause he used completely different rhythm
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: but it still works
2015-10-30 14:11 Strategas: quite well for some reason lol
2015-10-30 14:12 pishifat: ya the map is hot
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: I'm kind of against things like
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: 01:37:917 (1) -
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: 01:40:661 (3) -
2015-10-30 14:13 Strategas: the slider ends uhh..
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: 1/1 on downbeats is what most people do
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: because downbeats = most powerful thing in a measure
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: so even if you end it on a strong sound
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: downbeat usually more strong anyway
2015-10-30 14:14 pishifat: thats my logic to it at least
2015-10-30 14:15 pishifat: i do the same thing all the time
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: downbeat is most important in general music yeah
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: but
2015-10-30 14:15 Strategas: dnb has those 2 4 white tick thing
2015-10-30 14:16 pishifat: same with any rock song
2015-10-30 14:16 pishifat: yet i still do it anyway
2015-10-30 14:16 Strategas: I listen to a lot of them and the only cases where downbeats are stronger than those or a start of a new rhythm or just after build up
2015-10-30 14:17 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/696225 HoneyWorks - Miraizu feat.Aida Miou(CV:Toyosaki Aki) [Special]]
2015-10-30 14:17 pishifat: kiais do a lot of the same thing too
2015-10-30 14:18 Strategas: most of them follow vocals though
2015-10-30 14:18 Strategas: or very strong beats
2015-10-30 14:18 pishifat: ya
2015-10-30 14:18 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/612045 AKINO from bless4 - MIIRO [Resolve]]
2015-10-30 14:19 pishifat: lots of probably vocal following with that
2015-10-30 14:19 Strategas: alright thanks for explaining
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: ACTION is editing [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/728318 P*Light feat. yukacco - Stargazer (DJ Shimamura Remix) [Galaxy of Dreams]]
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: i see why you were wondering about that
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: it's all
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: 1/2 sliders
2015-10-30 14:21 Strategas: yep
2015-10-30 14:21 pishifat: this song has
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: my fav rhythm
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: emphasis on 3/2 stuff
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: allows 1/1 sliders on https://i.gyazo.com/931f71a252f53985a7e ... 05f141.png
2015-10-30 14:22 pishifat: without sounding awkward
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: ah
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: so that's what's it called
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: I wondered
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: why was this rhythm
2015-10-30 14:23 Strategas: weird
2015-10-30 14:24 Strategas: my newer maps don't have the only 1/2 issue though
2015-10-30 14:24 Strategas: remaking the rhythm seemed quite a bit of work
2015-10-30 14:25 pishifat: yea
2015-10-30 14:25 pishifat: would mkae the map so much better tho
2015-10-30 14:26 Strategas: I guess I'll try to fix that this weekened
2015-10-30 14:27 pishifat: on this map?
2015-10-30 14:28 Strategas: yes
2015-10-30 14:28 Strategas: I shouldn't?
2015-10-30 14:29 pishifat: should
2015-10-30 14:29 pishifat: how long are you gonna be on
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: dunno
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: I can sit till morning
2015-10-30 14:30 Strategas: since nothing to do tomorrow
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: .
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: well if you're gonna be remapping stuff
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: i shouldnt like say individual things
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: that being i dont even
2015-10-30 14:30 pishifat: have individual things to say so far
2015-10-30 14:31 pishifat: but more general things that if you can apply while remapping
2015-10-30 14:31 pishifat: map will be ready4bub
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: okay
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: I don't think I'll remap that much though
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: well actually never mind
2015-10-30 14:31 Strategas: this map is long
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: so it will take a while
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: even if I change only every 3rd downbeat
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: if you want rank a map that you think is good
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: remapping = best option
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: yes I remapped this a bit a week ago
2015-10-30 14:32 pishifat: o lol
2015-10-30 14:32 Strategas: but without chaning rhythm
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: mostly this map was
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: very circular
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: as it non sharp angles
2015-10-30 14:33 pishifat: pretty ew
2015-10-30 14:33 Strategas: in*
2015-10-30 14:34 Strategas: that's probably what I hate the most
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: same
2015-10-30 14:34 Strategas: because I can't play maps that flow like that
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: samesamesamessaememaseemas
2015-10-30 14:34 pishifat: 01:12:777 (3) - nice snapping btw
2015-10-30 14:35 Strategas: wtf
2015-10-30 14:35 Strategas: oops
2015-10-30 14:39 pishifat: have to look and see how some guy worded a general thing
2015-10-30 14:39 pishifat: then i will be ready to spit words
2015-10-30 14:40 Strategas: k
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: ok
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: so first
2015-10-30 14:41 pishifat: for the rhyhtm variation aesthetic thing
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: dont change every measure's red tick thing to a 1/1 slider
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: just in case you were
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: that's like 2 much
2015-10-30 14:42 Strategas: well yea
2015-10-30 14:42 Strategas: that's obvious
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: i dont know what's obvious
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: next
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: is the thing i just looked up now
2015-10-30 14:42 pishifat: p/4579185
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: where he says
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: absolute spacing
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: at 20:50
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: if you can do that
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: your map will be sex
2015-10-30 14:43 pishifat: easiest way to understand this is
2015-10-30 14:44 pishifat: look at any monstrata map
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: well DS not even equal spacing
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: what it means?
2015-10-30 14:44 Strategas: if sliders are involved
2015-10-30 14:44 pishifat: no00:19:292 (6,7,1,2,3,4) -
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: the no
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: shouldnt be there
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: so that pattern
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: you see how you have
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: same spacing everywhere
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: between objects
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: just visually
2015-10-30 14:45 Strategas: ye
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: if that were your
2015-10-30 14:45 pishifat: "absolute spacing"
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: you would make it similar to like 00:24:092 (2,3,4) -
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: by moving 4 closer to 2
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: so it would be same distance of https://i.gyazo.com/97aee589762467fe9d4 ... 737685.png
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: tail to 3
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: and 4 to the head/tail of 2
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: does that make any sense
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: then like 00:25:635 (4,5,1) -
2015-10-30 14:46 pishifat: https://i.gyazo.com/026975c14ea3e8cb194 ... 7a978a.png
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: that is what he's talking about
2015-10-30 14:47 Strategas: 3 and 4 should be even spacing from the slider end?
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: https://i.gyazo.com/8405ab2292c15aa6563 ... a6fa3e.png
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: red lines are the same length
2015-10-30 14:47 pishifat: that's all it means
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: if you can do that you can create super clean maps
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: k
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: got that
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: so like 00:29:235 (1,2) - would be the same thing, as in blanketing it at the red line's distance
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: instead of close
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:48 Strategas: yea
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: or i can just move
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: 3 away
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: from slider end
2015-10-30 14:49 Strategas: basicly it has to be same lenght
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: ideally it's the same length
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: throughout the whole map
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: like
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: ACTION is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/814457 Apocalyptica - Reign of Fear]
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: the
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: bubble diff
2015-10-30 14:49 pishifat: and the cs5 diff
2015-10-30 14:50 pishifat: they have different sized absolute spacing things
2015-10-30 14:50 pishifat: it's a part of that visual structure bs i tried talking about months ago
2015-10-30 14:53 pishifat: does that sense
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: so in the given patern
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: http://i.imgur.com/s0IBOW5.png
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: this is absolute spacing
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: yes
2015-10-30 14:54 Strategas: 00:29:235 (1,2,3) -
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: in context of whole map
2015-10-30 14:54 pishifat: it's wh tho
2015-10-30 14:55 Strategas: wh?
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: what
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: wh=what
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: it's weird
2015-10-30 14:55 pishifat: k
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: you linked me that blanket right
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: yep
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: so I gave a ss how it's suppose to look instead
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: right
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: oOH
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: as an example
2015-10-30 14:56 Strategas: atm the 3 is far down
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: the aboslute spacing thing
2015-10-30 14:56 pishifat: is referring to
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: whole sections of the song
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: not like individual patterns usually
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: so if that small spacing were the absolute spacing you used for the section
2015-10-30 14:57 pishifat: it would work
2015-10-30 14:57 Strategas: well I used the same stuff everywhere so it's likely to be the same thing
2015-10-30 14:58 Strategas: but I got it now
2015-10-30 14:58 Strategas: now it really makes sense
2015-10-30 14:59 pishifat: does it now
2015-10-30 14:59 pishifat: thatsgood
2015-10-30 14:59 Strategas: however I still might mess it up a bit since I never looked at the absolute thing
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: even if you screw it up soemtimes
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: if most of the map is like that
2015-10-30 15:00 pishifat: it'll be good
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: ah okay
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: well it's probably hard to notice anyway
2015-10-30 15:00 Strategas: unless it's really off
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: like it is now B)
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: anyway
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: copy paste
2015-10-30 15:01 pishifat: 00:03:520 (3,4) - general thing like if you're going for this kind of movement into the slider, make the curve be like lower than the actual object. supports more [https://i.gyazo.com/75f860ac5e639427379bf9b7d6321c9c.gif]fluid motion] (and doesnt affect people who snap)
2015-10-30 15:01 Strategas: so the absolute spacing is suppose to be even in the whole patern or in the whole map?
2015-10-30 15:02 Strategas: uh
2015-10-30 15:02 Strategas: phrased it wrong
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: using smaller absolute spacing in calmer sections
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: and larger in like kiais
2015-10-30 15:02 pishifat: is common
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: about that long sentence earlier
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: https://i.gyazo.com/9f2c0b90711a1a85d44 ... a61948.png is like good for that
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: and
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: the motion link
2015-10-30 15:03 pishifat: is supposed to say fluid motion
2015-10-30 15:04 Strategas: ah
2015-10-30 15:04 pishifat: 02:26:149 (3,4) - 02:27:177 (1,2) - examples of bad
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 02:36:777 (1,2) - 03:13:806 (1,2) - same idea but slider to next object
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 02:26:663 (5,6) - 02:34:377 (2,3) - example of good
2015-10-30 15:05 pishifat: 01:59:920 (2,3,4) - same kind of idea for streams into sliders
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: yep I can see they need a bit of rotating
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: 02:26:149 (3,4) -
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: don't get this one though
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: slider needs to be more rotated
2015-10-30 15:06 pishifat: 3 into 4
2015-10-30 15:06 Strategas: to go more upwards/
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: ya
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: more so that
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: the head of it is pointing below 3
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: that doesnt make sense um
2015-10-30 15:07 pishifat: flow with 02:25:806 (1,2,3) - is clockwise
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: so sliderbody being like
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: where it is
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: fuck explaining things
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: rotate it
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: yes
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: :DDD
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: dw I got it
2015-10-30 15:08 pishifat: gud
2015-10-30 15:08 Strategas: just didn't see one thing
2015-10-30 15:10 pishifat: thats kinda everything
2015-10-30 15:10 Strategas: wot
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: everything i had to say
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: = that
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: excluding
2015-10-30 15:11 pishifat: your sliderart sux hardcore
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: well absolute spacing is not hard to fix just a lot of them, motion might miss some I hope I won't, the hardest will be the rhythm changing
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: I didn't make those sliders though
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: if you're talking about
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: 01:07:292 (3) -
2015-10-30 15:12 Strategas: this whole part
2015-10-30 15:12 pishifat: yea
2015-10-30 15:12 pishifat: those are lol
2015-10-30 15:13 Strategas: I had a feeling they needed changing but I got kinda used to them
2015-10-30 15:13 Strategas: and they didn't bother anymore
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: nobody's really gonna say you need to change them
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: cuz like people do lots of dumb stuff with long sliders
2015-10-30 15:13 pishifat: if you know how to make them good looking tho do it
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: not very experienced but I think I can test around to see what works
2015-10-30 15:14 pishifat: well im gonna look at the other map posted in my queue then
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: okay
2015-10-30 15:14 Strategas: thank you very much
2015-10-30 15:14 pishifat: when youre done with your fix stuff i can look again
Topic Starter
Strategas
I wonder if there are any better fitting drum whistles for this

Edit: yes there is
pishifat
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Kalibe
wow nice
Monstrata
Some quick things to mention before #2

[Galaxy of Dreams]

  1. 00:08:320 (4,1) - Jump felt random and unsupported by the music xPP
  2. 00:27:863 (1,2,3) - Flow a bit less than ideal here D: A jump from 2>3 would be cool.
  3. 00:38:749 - I think a triplet would fit better here than on 00:38:920 (2) - . Generally triplets feel good when they end on white ticks because they're a means to emphasize beats like jumps/flowbreaks. When 1/4 rhythm is kind of ambiguous like here having them end on white ticks is better imo.
  4. 01:26:149 (4,5) - Weird you dont blanket here but you do so with your other patterns prior to this.
  5. 01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps felt really big for a section thats supposed to be calm/simple. I'd make this a pentagon pattern rather than a star.
  6. 01:50:149 - 01:54:263 - This section felt a lot simpler than 01:39:177 - 01:47:406 - etc.. cuz you don't use as many 1/4's even tho the music is kind of building up.
  7. 02:12:092 (1) - 1/2 slider + circle fits better imo D:
  8. 03:06:606 (5,6,1) - Really sharp angle from 5>6>1 D::
  9. 04:15:520 (1,2,3,4) - A larger jump from 3>4 would fit the emphasis of the song better. 1>2 seems too big anyways since 2 doesn't really land on a very significant beat like 4.
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Topic Starter
Strategas

monstrata wrote:

Some quick things to mention before #2

[Galaxy of Dreams]

  1. 00:08:320 (4,1) - Jump felt random and unsupported by the music xPP rip
  2. 00:27:863 (1,2,3) - Flow a bit less than ideal here D: A jump from 2>3 would be cool. Tried something
  3. 00:38:749 - I think a triplet would fit better here than on 00:38:920 (2) - . Generally triplets feel good when they end on white ticks because they're a means to emphasize beats like jumps/flowbreaks. When 1/4 rhythm is kind of ambiguous like here having them end on white ticks is better imo. ya ok changed the other one too
  4. 01:26:149 (4,5) - Weird you dont blanket here but you do so with your other patterns prior to this. It was a blanket though, made it more normal I guess.
  5. 01:30:435 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps felt really big for a section thats supposed to be calm/simple. I'd make this a pentagon pattern rather than a star. Only left the strong beat as a jump then
  6. 01:50:149 - 01:54:263 - This section felt a lot simpler than 01:39:177 - 01:47:406 - etc.. cuz you don't use as many 1/4's even tho the music is kind of building up. Added some 1/4s
  7. 02:12:092 (1) - 1/2 slider + circle fits better imo D: yeah I had that way before, but I wanted to put much more emphasis on the downbeat
  8. 03:06:606 (5,6,1) - Really sharp angle from 5>6>1 D:: imo fits because of the strong beat + vocal
  9. 04:15:520 (1,2,3,4) - A larger jump from 3>4 would fit the emphasis of the song better. 1>2 seems too big anyways since 2 doesn't really land on a very significant beat like 4. Made the distance to 4 largest, I'm keeping the distance from 1 to 2 cause I focused on drums and snares the most during the song
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Kyubey
Looks fine for me.
Aiceo
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