20:59 The_King_In_Yellow I've roleclaimed wolf about 4 times this gameunvote, Vote adam2046
20:59 The_King_In_Yellow I've roleclaimed wolf about 4 times this gameunvote, Vote adam2046
The game isn't broken at all, but humans win.Ace Of Hearts wrote:
Gee, I think I can remove a PV. It ain't hard. All I needed was proof that you voted, which you provided in your quote, and I checked my log; you did vote, for Rolled, but somehow I did not mark you in the main status list in blue as having Voted, so there was a mental slip somewhere, which was my fault. I'll remove the PV.
Also, no more bitching about the Ninja rules. I would have it different too, but what's in the rules is how I must operate; as I said, I'll make sure I get rid of the wolfkill cancellation clause next game.
I'll answer the scan question using a hypothetical: If there were a dead Psychic, and he happened to get resurrected, at Night, and there was still time before the deadline in which said Psychic managed to squeeze in a request to use their ability, there are no problems with it, as it is still Night, they are now alive, and they will have sent their request before the deadline. I would treat the death and subsequent Night resurrection of any other information gathering aux role - including the Wolf Pack Leader if a Priest happened to res a WPL by mistake - the same way.
As far as I am concerned, being a reasonable Host who follows written rules, this Werewolf Game is not at all broken and is currently functioning perfectly within its rulesets and parameters.
You could argue that dead players can send in their aux action even when they are dead. However, nowhere in the rules does it say dead players may not send in their aux action and have it be successful. In other words, there's no loss in a dead aux other than losing a town player's vote.Chris wrote:
Two scanning the night he was revived is completely legitimate.
None of them were serious brah :(Chris wrote:
20:59 The_King_In_Yellow I've roleclaimed wolf about 4 times this gameunvote, Vote adam2046
I guess that's the mistake you made, not reading the rules. Next time don't "ignore" what you don't thinks worth reading and there wont be a problem.strager wrote:
Chris wrote:
In addition, nowhere in the role PM does it state that if a Ninja kills a wolf the wolves' kill is blocked. I ignore all rules about roles in the OP, as they serve as guidelines of what to expect before the game starts. I would suggest you rewrite the OP to be very general in how roles function, and let the role PM include a complete superset of the description described in the OP.If you end up killing a Wolf, the Wolves run scared for the night (and the dead body's Wolf form is plainly visible to everyone in the morning). If you kill a human, the Wolves still get their kill (and the humans will wake up with TWO deaths the next morning).
<3Ace Of Hearts wrote:
^ Phantom Vote gets.
I wasn't saying what happened was against the rules. I was saying it is basically exploiting a loophole which needs to be covered somehow later on. One possibility of covering this loophole is having all night actions occur at once at the end of the night, and disallowing the dead from performing such an action.Two wrote:
Uh? I'm not sure if I understand your post strager but I was notified that I was revived in the middle of night 2. After seeing that, I said that I'd like to scan rolled if I'm allowed to. My role wasn't automatically performed for me and I did send a pm, if that is what you are talking about.
I guess that's the mistake you made, not reading my post (and not using a semicolon). My suggestion was to prevent "hidden" rules from messing up the game, not to revert what has happened already in this game.Chris wrote:
I guess that's the mistake you made, not reading the rules. Next time don't "ignore" what you don't thinks worth reading and there wont be a problem.
It's also common sense that the top-voted player gets booted, but it's in the rules. Should it be removed?Ace Of Hearts wrote:
And sure, there's nothing in the rules about dead people not being able to send in an aux PM, but let's be serious, if it ever happened, they'd get a friendly "Remember? You're kinda dead..." and said PM would get deleted. Just because it's not stated in the rules doesn't mean it's not common sense. If you're dead you can't perform your aux actions. Duh? Although if you want, I'll still put it explicitly in the rules anyway so stupid people will see it/so smart people won't try to loophole. I keep saying I'm a reasonable Host, and I do the best job I can to follow where there are rules and create on the spot for unforseen circumstances that pop up. That's all part of my job.
In no way, shape, or form did I say that's not how the game currently operated, or that it's a bad way to operate the game. (I think it should be in the rules, too, but you don't seem to like clarifying things out of "common sense" or something like that.) Two ninja'd this response with what I meant:Ace Of Hearts wrote:
And strager, for the umpteenth time, I execute Night PM actions in the order I receive them. If I get a Seer request before the Seer gets killed the same Night, I honor it because the Seer request got to me first. Sure, they can't post the info in the thread 'cuz they're dead, but it is fact of matter. Put it to ya this way, if the Priest publicly resurrects someone, then for whatever reason a Vig shoots and kills the Priest, do I tell the Priest his res is no longer effective because now his own death is now present in that Day's events? No, I don't. Again, common sense. I understand that Day and Night are different phases, but I like to run everything the same way. I like to think I'm pretty damn reasonable, butiIf you have that much of a problem with the way I run things, find a different game, because though my rules come and go, the overall style in which I run things is not going to change.
Emphasizing the relevant part of my post, which I was trying to stress (unsuccessfully, apparently):Two wrote:
basically all deaths and revives should be queued and only made effective at the end of a phase
strager wrote:
In my mind, role actions are queued until the end of the Night, then executed at the end of the Night in order, atomically. Therefore, dead aux roles cannot ever perform their action (unless it is a special role where things occur upon death, etc.).
I hope that wasn't directed at me.Ace Of Hearts wrote:
Also, though I agree that the Ninja rules need changed, I still fail to see how the current Ninja ruleset breaks the game. Dead Zero would still be dead, confirmation of Ninja kill would still be present, only difference would be that the Wolves would still get their kill under the proposed (and preferred) rule. Even under current rules, if the Ninja fucks up and kills a Human, the Wolves still get their kill, and the players wake up with TWO dead bodies in the morning. Even if the current rule isn't optimal, it's far from being so awful that it'd be an "OMG GAMEBUREAKU" rule.
Why?thepianist wrote:
Also, vote Adam2046
You obviously didn't read my post.DJ KRZY wrote:
I kinda side with Ace, night actions should be processed by the order of PMs received. Think of the night phase as one flowing real-time phrase. For example, if the Seer, whoever it is, used his Seeing ability before the Ninja killed Zerostarry, then he would have seen a certain number, probably six assuming Rolled was a wolf (he is, isn't he?). If the Seer used his Seeing ability after the Ninja killed Zerostarry, he would have seen five. Whether the Seer saw before or afterh the ninja kill should be decided by whether the Seer sent his night action PM before or after the Ninja did.
Therefore, I think everything was legit, the game is still on (although very, very tipped in favor of humans at this point), and auxes might have to be weakened in the future to balance the game.
As a matter of fact I didn't. Bear with me while I do...strager wrote:
You obviously didn't read my post.
0_o wrote:
I was so looking forward to shooting you Wojjan, but that task was reallocated to the ninja ;_;
MS MS MS.0_o wrote:
Hey OB, protip;
Vampires don't get guns.
Two wrote:
k unvote, vote thepianist
Why are you so set on the fact that there can only be one.Chris wrote:
I guess 0_o was the Vigilante.
unvote, Vote thepianist