So if what you're saying is true, people that single tap should be significantly faster streamers than alternating players are, can you actually prove that and not just say it's true because you think it is? Show me some statistics fehchan.bigfeh wrote:
Yeah, it's obviously not double speed strictly speaking
but faster nonetheless, which is the fucking point
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The 300 hit window is 40 ms long. at 1600 BPM, each beat is 37.5 ms apart from each other. If you press 2 buttons at the same time you will hit 2 notes, and they can be hit both for 300 ms if you hit during the 5 ms window that they overlap (I was mistaken on the math, sorry). If you don't hit that 5 ms window, you will 300 one and 100 the other.Philosofikal wrote:
No you can't, this is bullshit as I have already previously explained in detailziin wrote:
Also, if you single tap at a high BPM, you can double tap at twice that BPM
Show me a video where someone does this single tapping jackhammer motion with two fingers on the same hand
double tapping is easier and is faster than alternating tapping though it is significantly less accurate.
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as i'm full-alternating here's my insight on the topic:
I think alternating is the best way to start playing the game.
Reasoning is the following:
You instantly learn to alternate some patterns that you could easily single tap at easier songs but it will become impossibru at insanes/extras with higher bpm like triples, consecutive fast doubletaps etcpp
From what I've tried(I occasionally start singletapping with any of my both alternating fingers) it is relatively easy to go back to singletapping if you started playing the game alternating. My accuracy doesn't suffer at all(unless the map is fast or consists of triplespam and i try to singletap the triples) and 70% of my skill is perception, knowledge and aim anyway and it lies within my mouse hand and my eyes. And I'd highly doubt it's different for any player around my casual skilllevel.
tl;dr As alternating is mainly a mental problem(due to different reasons) it's easier to go from alternating to singletapping than the other way around. Alternating players don't have a general problem with singletapping it's just more relaxed to alternate when they can already do it.
The main thing that's really different i noticed so far is reaction on hitsounds and in that context your consistency.
With singletapping the feedback of hitsounds is absolutely clear and a conscious reaction will lead to better results which isn't a necessity at all when alternating.
Tbh I would love to have two hit error bars, one for each key I'm using ._."
as i'm full-alternating here's my insight on the topic:
I think alternating is the best way to start playing the game.
Reasoning is the following:
You instantly learn to alternate some patterns that you could easily single tap at easier songs but it will become impossibru at insanes/extras with higher bpm like triples, consecutive fast doubletaps etcpp
From what I've tried(I occasionally start singletapping with any of my both alternating fingers) it is relatively easy to go back to singletapping if you started playing the game alternating. My accuracy doesn't suffer at all(unless the map is fast or consists of triplespam and i try to singletap the triples) and 70% of my skill is perception, knowledge and aim anyway and it lies within my mouse hand and my eyes. And I'd highly doubt it's different for any player around my casual skilllevel.
tl;dr As alternating is mainly a mental problem(due to different reasons) it's easier to go from alternating to singletapping than the other way around. Alternating players don't have a general problem with singletapping it's just more relaxed to alternate when they can already do it.
The main thing that's really different i noticed so far is reaction on hitsounds and in that context your consistency.
With singletapping the feedback of hitsounds is absolutely clear and a conscious reaction will lead to better results which isn't a necessity at all when alternating.
Tbh I would love to have two hit error bars, one for each key I'm using ._."
ziin wrote:
If you press 2 buttons at the same time you will hit 2 notes
what I'm saying is if you singletap, you naturally build speed up so you're fast enough to click shit when you need to alternatepandaBee wrote:
So if what you're saying is true, people that single tap should be significantly faster streamers than alternating players are, can you actually prove that and not just say it's true because you think it is? Show me some statistics fehchan.bigfeh wrote:
Yeah, it's obviously not double speed strictly speaking
but faster nonetheless, which is the fucking point
I have the other finger just waiting to click, so while you're alternating I'm singletapping and whenever I need to be faster, I have the other finger
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and on another note who is this jack and why is that named after his hammer
What I'm saying is if you alternate, you naturally build speed up so you're fast enough to click shit when you need to alternate.bigfeh wrote:
what I'm saying is if you singletap, you naturally build speed up so you're fast enough to click shit when you need to alternate
imo you build speed slower when you alternate, unless you play really stream heavy maps
alternating you get half the stress on fingers on what a singletapper would singletap, it's like using half the weight when lifting
i alternate and singletap moving just fingers, this is how i see it
alternating you get half the stress on fingers on what a singletapper would singletap, it's like using half the weight when lifting
i alternate and singletap moving just fingers, this is how i see it
THIS IS MY FUCKING POINTjaaakb wrote:
imo you build speed slower when you alternate, unless you play really stream heavy maps
alternating you get half the stress on fingers on what a singletapper would singletap, it's like using half the weight when lifting
i alternate and singletap moving just fingers, this is how i see it
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Singletappers use wrist. Alternaters use fingers. Two different muscle groups. Your point is invalid.jaaakb wrote:
imo you build speed slower when you alternate, unless you play really stream heavy maps
alternating you get half the stress on fingers on what a singletapper would singletap, it's like using half the weight when lifting
i alternate and singletap moving just fingers, this is how i see it
After reading 3 pages of pure confusion I feel the need to post(after 6 months of reading xD).Hi BTW!
So, my point of view. Your streaming speed is only as fast as your slowest finger, and if you can singletap 300 with 1 finger and 200 with the other(not by using your wrist...because alternating needs you to move your both fingers you can't lock them like people do when singletapping), your streaming will speed still be 200. So training one finger is not enough for getting better at streaming.
I think this not only says that bigfeh's wrong but also that alternating might even train your speed faster.
Now answering the OP (if anyone's still interested in it):
As an alternater I don't think it can handicap a player. Sure you might have a hard time doing triples at the beginning but I from my experience it makes very relaxing to play faster 1/2 spam beatmaps where others might just tap like crazy (so better stamina) and also makes easier to start a stream or basically any pattern on either finger. I'm sure it is not worse than singletapping so as long as you don't feel that you have to learn singletapping you don't have to switch playstyles.
I already feel better xD. Guess I'll try to be more active so say hi to the newest forum user.
So, my point of view. Your streaming speed is only as fast as your slowest finger, and if you can singletap 300 with 1 finger and 200 with the other(not by using your wrist...because alternating needs you to move your both fingers you can't lock them like people do when singletapping), your streaming will speed still be 200. So training one finger is not enough for getting better at streaming.
I think this not only says that bigfeh's wrong but also that alternating might even train your speed faster.
Now answering the OP (if anyone's still interested in it):
As an alternater I don't think it can handicap a player. Sure you might have a hard time doing triples at the beginning but I from my experience it makes very relaxing to play faster 1/2 spam beatmaps where others might just tap like crazy (so better stamina) and also makes easier to start a stream or basically any pattern on either finger. I'm sure it is not worse than singletapping so as long as you don't feel that you have to learn singletapping you don't have to switch playstyles.
I already feel better xD. Guess I'll try to be more active so say hi to the newest forum user.
Dude, we understand what you're saying, the issue is that it's completely moronic. You don't improve finger-tapping speed by wrist-tapping, period.bigfeh wrote:
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After reading 3 pages of pure confusion I feel the need to post(after 6 months of reading xD).Hi BTW!
DDand when did I mention wrist tappingNarrill wrote:
Dude, we understand what you're saying, the issue is that it's completely moronic. You don't improve finger-tapping speed by wrist-tapping, period.bigfeh wrote:
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and when did I mention wrist tapping
ZenithPhantasm wrote:
Singletappers use wrist. Alternaters use fingers. Two different muscle groups. Your point is invalid.
alternating is the method of the gods
but if you're a single tapper you still need to know how to alternate to a decent extent
but if you're a single tapper you still need to know how to alternate to a decent extent
I used to alternate like a filthy noob. Then I switched to single tapping.
I went from barely being able to pass normal songs to being an extremely high level player. The day I switched I SS'd the hardest song in the game: the big black scarletto roserino[FOUR DIMENSIONS] with HDHRDT.
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I went from barely being able to pass normal songs to being an extremely high level player. The day I switched I SS'd the hardest song in the game: the big black scarletto roserino[FOUR DIMENSIONS] with HDHRDT.
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if you master alternating and become fast you're basically japanese
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You didn't mention either, so I assumed the more common of the two. And honestly, for finger-tapping to substantially benefit your stream speed you'd have to do it with both fingers about evenly, which I'll bet few finger-tappers even do. So yeah, maybe there's a small handful of players benefiting speed-wise from single-tapping (and really, is it even single-tapping at that point?), but the vast majority of the playerbase isn't going to see that benefit.bigfeh wrote:
and when did I mention wrist tapping
You can absolutely make the argument that single-tapping is superior to alternating, but such an argument would have to be centered on the simplicity of the movement, not some imagined speed boost.
I use my arm to singletap. Does anyone else do that?
Sounds like an interesting play style. Don't you get tired?Kheldragar wrote:
I use my arm to singletap. Does anyone else do that?
Only if I try to singletap all of Worldwide choppers (I have), or near the end of image material. My arm only comes into play at 220 < bpm < 280 anyways and my stamina is still shit.otoed1 wrote:
Sounds like an interesting play style. Don't you get tired?Kheldragar wrote:
I use my arm to singletap. Does anyone else do that?
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Kheldragar wrote:
I use my arm to singletap. Does anyone else do that?
I used to do that until this happened
This is the story of how I broke my x keycap and how I got bone fragments in my index finger
This is the story of how I broke my x keycap and how I got bone fragments in my index finger
I use my arm to single tap too.Kheldragar wrote:
I use my arm to singletap. Does anyone else do that?
Alternating is better. :>
ITT: some people saying something is worse in theory when the reality is actually different.
Alternating is good. Learn to slow stream now so you can alternate 300bpm singles in future. Stay healthy.