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Lally
Hello i really wanted to make this tread to give opportunity to everybody to ask questions about everything regarding BN /maps / modding and so on since we always continue to talk or ask questions in the wrong treads by now.
Hope is ok for everybody o3o
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Lally
Bubble post: p/4053926
Map link ; https://osu.ppy.sh/s/155266


I wanted to ask you why certain BN are really bubbling without reading the mapper posts (in this case me) when the map is not ready and i specified that i was going to do changes,and i didn't aspect to have bubble.

I mean the second point like i said in my post, why other certain BN are giving Kudos for not even replied mods? Is mapper choose to do so, if you see that the mapper is afk or doesn't want to give Kudos after 1-2 weeks i could agree but in this case i'm really asking myself what is wrong guys? Really acting like that makes no sense,

I would like to hear some opinions regarding that
Sieg
you reminded me that BNs have skype conf :3 oh well

Lally wrote:

Bubble post: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4053926
Map link ; https://osu.ppy.sh/s/155266

I wanted to ask you why certain BN are really bubbling without reading the mapper posts (in this case me) when the map is not ready and i specified that i was going to do changes,and i didn't aspect to have bubble.

I would like to hear some opinions regarding that
Spit the truth. You really don't understand this? Some of BNs just don't give much firetruck about nominating and that's their ultimate right. About your bubble - you didn't stated clearly enough in the thread that you are going to apply more changes, so I don't see why there should be any drama about this, just selfpop, not a big deal.
Topic Starter
Lally
i'm not making a drama,and if somebody don't have time to go to skype when 3-4 people are online to ask or discuss something is not such big deal to write here imo,

is really sad that nobody gives a ship about what they're doing,personally i feel silly after thinking about that,degrading this group in this way is bad imo.
Sieg

Lally wrote:

is really sad that nobody gives a ship about what they're doing,personally i feel silly after thinking about that,degrading this group in this way is bad imo.
You can't say nobody, apparently most of us care, also QAT is getting more strict lately, you can expect BNG will follow. In general, quality degrading is one of the downsides of the whole new system but hey, anyways, things are much better for the community than they were back then.
Topic Starter
Lally
Oh well can't say isn't true your point, still meh ;^;
Loctav
Not contacting the mapper before qualifying violates a BNG rule. Contact me in case that happens.
Okoayu
since this is a general discussion thread, here's something discussion-worthy:

Zantaria wrote:

Okoratu wrote:

can you calm down and read what the qualification process means?

Beatmap Nominators nominate beatmaps they think are worthy of being ranked.
This is what the qualified section's for. once a set is nominated the QAT will have to check if it really should be ranked.

If they find issues which should be addressed they will disqualify (reject the nomination). The amount of disqualifications will most likely not decrease in the future so get used to that it's really not much of a deal.
Call it nominated then. Not qualified. Because qualified meant a different thing in the past.

In addition to that make nominated / qualified maps not grant pp.

I think this could improve the ranking process by a lot.
while I don't agree with them not granting pp, mainly because I dont care about pp
I do think we could discuss the rest of this.
Loctav
Why do you even listen to this person? I would ignore him for my life time.
Okoayu
I wanted to hear some opinions on if people think renaming a section would make random players less angry about dqs.
simply because I thought the argument is interesting and this is a public discussion thread.

I personally think people should just take the 5 seconds it takes to read what qualified means, btw.
Natsu

Lally wrote:

I mean the second point like i said in my post, why other certain BN are giving Kudos for not even replied mods? Is mapper choose to do so, if you see that the mapper is afk or doesn't want to give Kudos after 1-2 weeks i could agree but in this case i'm really asking myself what is wrong guys? Really acting like that makes no sense,

I would like to hear some opinions regarding that
same thing happen in my map p/4040516 (same BN), I was a bit mad I must admit, since he/she dont know if the mod is helpful or not, maybe removing that option could help or talking with this BN so he/she can avoid doing this in future.
Starry-

Natsu wrote:

Lally wrote:

I mean the second point like i said in my post, why other certain BN are giving Kudos for not even replied mods? Is mapper choose to do so, if you see that the mapper is afk or doesn't want to give Kudos after 1-2 weeks i could agree but in this case i'm really asking myself what is wrong guys? Really acting like that makes no sense,

I would like to hear some opinions regarding that
same thing happen in my map p/4040516 (same BN), I was a bit mad I must admit, since he/she dont know if the mod is helpful or not, maybe removing that option could help or talking with this BN so he/she can avoid doing this in future.
I think the main thing here is in fact the clarity of a BN's job.

I really feel like a few things can be a bit more clear (purpose and rules of being in the BNG, what's allowed / not allowed, how to qualify a first map, criteria for bubble popping, denying / giving kudosu, when to rebubble, etc.). As far as I understand the only source of information is the slightly dated general BAT rules (from the Useful Links thread here), or simply just asking other fellow BNs. It shouldn't be this way if the BNG is quite large and continues to expand, so it'll probably help newer BNs a lot more if there was clear, up to date, and accessible set of rules to follow.

Just my honest opinion; I'd love to help achieve this extra sense of clarity within the BNG if possible as I think it's really needed.
Kyubey
Loctav, can I ask you for sharing some information? You've mentioned revamping of ranking criteria few months ago in this thread, and I just want to wonder, how much you've done and how long will we wait for them, because that can help BNs a lot with their work.
Rakuen

Lally wrote:

I mean the second point like i said in my post, why other certain BN are giving Kudos for not even replied mods? Is mapper choose to do so, if you see that the mapper is afk or doesn't want to give Kudos after 1-2 weeks i could agree but in this case i'm really asking myself what is wrong guys? Really acting like that makes no sense,

I would like to hear some opinions regarding that
Shouldn't be doing that imo, should wait until both mapper and nominator agree that the map is ready (as Loc said contact him too :) )

Okoratu wrote:

I wanted to hear some opinions on if people think renaming a section would make random players less angry about dqs.
simply because I thought the argument is interesting and this is a public discussion thread.

I personally think people should just take the 5 seconds it takes to read what qualified means, btw.
Let them calm down, just ignore them for some time since we all humans don't stop thinking in our lives.

Could give them ideas how to improve, some mods, with explanation but not too long and complex

Encourage them like "Hey man, look at this map, if you can do like this I'll give you a bubble" (of course we dont have to)

Remember you did your best, they'll ask some other BNs if they don't like you, cuz you cant make everyone to
_

@Kyubey

Yea agree, need the "note gap after spinner" and a few common rules applied. A few QATs say they're discussing this (I asked too tho) but nothing really came up
Kodora

Rakuen wrote:

Yea agree, need the "note gap after spinner" and a few common rules applied. A few QATs say they're discussing this (I asked too tho) but nothing really came up
"Note gap" "rule" (I internationally marking it with ") have absolutely poor wording and unacceptable, confusing & unclear standards, I hope it can be simple denied as noone can suggest anything better than the current poor wording.

I honestly think that it would be 1000 times better if CDFA won't start this topic at all.
Kibbleru
to be fair i feel like most ppl are mad at the dq reason rather than their loss in pp.
Kodora
I wish announced QAT rule revision could be done faster orz

That should solve at least majority of questionable DQs
Sonnyc
BG must have sufficient quality!
Rakuen

Kodora wrote:

"Note gap" "rule" (I internationally marking it with ") have absolutely poor wording and unacceptable, confusing & unclear standards, I hope it can be simple denied as noone can suggest anything better than the current poor wording.

I honestly think that it would be 1000 times better if CDFA won't start this topic at all.
Didn't really get what you mean, but don't have to use so many negative words (or point at someone else).

I'm just taking an example, don't be so serious XD

It's a quite nice rule (but not to be too strict), just not on RC and QAT started DQs with it, so you know, have to make everything reasonable.

Kibbleru wrote:

to be fair i feel like most ppl are mad at the dq reason rather than their loss in pp.
Lol, yea. I'm like:


"DQ? You mad? So what?"

They just have to read.

I just don't like DQs that make me can't get it qualified again, everyone knows what I mean
Cherry Blossom

Rakuen wrote:

I just don't like DQs that make me can't get it qualified again, everyone knows what I mean
It's just, "make sure you know what you're doing". And then, nothing bad will happen to you.
Some people are doing things like "awh i'll make a 7.5 stars map for rank, i will be famous", and they make things that are overdone, and that's why the map can get disqualified easily on day 6, i say day 6 because QATs have to discuss.
Alright, i don't care of this anymore, i used to be someone who was talking about this everytime. Mapping is fun, and we should enjoy this game. And not cry because you or someone else's map has been disqualified for x reasons.
Sieg

Kodora wrote:

I wish announced QAT rule revision could be done faster orz

That should solve at least majority of questionable DQs
who needs rules?
meii18
We know we dislike DQs because we lose pps and also the scores but this doesn't really matter.You play just for fun not to being so popular ok too much about playing /w\
The reasons of DQs can be the quality of the respective map or if there's a spread gap or for some unnatural flows and much more but the map can be requalified if the problems were resolved or the mapper will give up from the respective mapset
Rakuen
Sorry Cherry Blossom, taking back my words, pretend I dint say that
Sieg
Did I miss something?
Alarido
Possibly, a standard song title (more likely opening theme song for movies/series openings, ending theme song for movie/series endings, and so on -- I would compilate an extensive, although non-exhaustive, list in a Google spreadsheet orz) for titleless songs should be enforced, so many mapsets (whose songs has no title) would not be in almost-everlasting cooking process...
Sonnyc
p/4596546
p/4631880

Seems the mapper has forgot to give them a kudosu, but it's impossible them to give with a message "It has been too long since this post was made.".

So then, should these mod posts get leaved as it is without giving them a kudosu in this case?
Yuii-
I mean, there's nothing we can do. I guess that's something we should put into practice, the fact of telling modders/people to contact any QAT/BN if no kudos were given to them.
Squichu
I think you can ask the modders who didn't receive kudosu yet to make another post, referring to their old post and the missing kd, then just give kd to the new post. At least that's what I would do..
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