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The Werewolf Game, Season 4
~Gensokyan Reality Show~

This season, we are holding our show in Gensokyo to demonstrate to the world what can happen when ordinary (or maybe not-so-ordinary?) humans manage to make it into Gensokyo and start trying to live there on their own. This time, the danger is that several of them have been given a dose of DNA-altering compound that has turned them into youkai who must eat humans every night to survive! Our contestants must cast votes each day for those they suspect are youkai in an attempt to eliminate them from the contestant pool; some of our ordinary contestants have been given a little...help by the producers to aid in an expedient and exciting game! Prizes (including meetings with famous Gensokyans!) are in store for the winning team.

Thanks to Hatate and Aya's reporting efforts beforehand, we are told at least 30% of Gensokyo will also be watching this show as well.

Good luck to our contestants: let us see how things pan out this season!

Current Status

Game Rules are found in the post below.
Click here to go to the Rules post.

This game's theme has been announced.
Click here to go to the theme information post.

The Role ID templates have been posted upon request, to prevent breakage of rule 3-1.
Click here to go to the Role ID template post.

Strager has been so kind as to provide us an IRC chat channel.
irc://irc.3-wave.com/#wwg

Timeline Status

Current Phase: Day 2
Click here to go directly to the start of Day 1.
Click here to go directly to the start of Day 2.

Deadline for Current Phase: Night ends at 7:00 PM EST on Sunday, June 27th, allowing about 5 days for discussion.

During This Phase: Public discussion and lynch voting.

Player Status

Legend

Green: Living
Red Strikeout: Deceased
(Remember, those who have died may no longer post in the thread.)

The Suspicion Counter is back. You may note numbers next to names indicating the current level of suspicion against that player. Generally, Suspicion Points are only counted at the end of the Day, with each vote that was against you counting as one Suspicion Point. However, one circumstance can give you Suspicion during the Day: changing your vote more than once; one vote change is reasonable, but the second and subsequent times you change your vote on the same Day, it will raise your Suspicion count by one point. The only way to acquire a Clearance Point is to not be voted for at all on a specific Day (including vote changes). Remember, the suspicion counter is based off votes cast and changed, so it's not necessarily an accurate depiction of who you should be suspicious of; it is simply a count of who's proven to draw suspicion up until now.

Status (17/19)

* DJ KRZY
* Derekku Chan
* NoHItter
* Todesengal
* 0_o
* DiamondCrash
* strager (-2)
* dkun
* Rolled
* Oyashiro Beatrice
* adam2046 (-1)
* nardi11011
* DJblackthorne
* Pasonia
* Two
* Chris
* pieguy1372
* jockeytiyan
* MarioBros777

Death Log
Oyashiro Beatrice was lynched as voted on Day 1.
NoHItter was killed by the Youkai during Night 1.

Current Lynch Vote Tally
8 votes: jockeytiyan

Vote Log/Checklist (8/17)
* strager has voted against jockeytiyan.
* Two has voted against jockeytiyan.
* jockeytiyan has voted against himself.
* Derekku Chan has voted against jockeytiyan.
* Chris has voted against jockeytiyan.
* DiamondCrash has voted against jockeytiyan.
* nardi11011 has voted against jockeytiyan.
* pieguy1372 has voted against jockeytiyan.

Notes from the Host

Pertinent Information About the Host

The Host's time zone is GMT -4 (I hate time zones, my math sucks -.-), which is Eastern Standard Time (EST) on the east cost of the US; however, just in case, all time/date deadlines will be accompanied by a time limit designation (i.e., "1 day and 6 hours from the time of this post"). This should clear up most, if not all, confusion regarding deadlines.

Reminders from the Host

* Nothing to note right now really. Just make sure you pay attention to the thread, talk so you don't become suspicious for not talking, and make sure you cast your vote.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Werewolf Game Rules

The Werewolf Game is a team game involving Humans and Wolves.

However, it is not a casual game; it is very involved and requires a commitment to play (similar to Monopoly). Players are required to sign up ahead of time to participate.

Table of Contents
Basic Premise
Basic How-It's-Played
In-Depth Explanation
Official Rules
Role List and Explanations

Basic Premise

There are several werewolves among a group of ordinary humans. The objective of the game is for the humans to figure out who the wolves are and kill them off before the wolves kill all the humans by voting on a lynching (public execution) each day to take place at dusk.

Basic How-It's-Played

On the first Day, the Host announces the scenario, and introduces the players. After that, play, put as simply as possible, progresses as follows:

Night
The Wolves kill a Human.

Dawn
The Humans awake to find the body of the player the Wolves killed.

Day
The Humans discuss who they think the Wolves are, and cast lynch votes for players they suspect are Wolves.

Dusk (aka Sundown)
The lynching takes place; the person with the most lynch votes against them is killed in a public execution. This is the humans' primary method for attempting to eliminate Wolves from the game.

This cycle repeats itself until the Humans are all dead (Wolf victory), or the Wolves are confirmed all dead by the remaining Humans waking up in the morning to find nobody died the previous night (Human victory).

In-Depth Explanation

A bit more interested? Here's everything you'll need to know. Sit down, this explanation is going to take a while (but it's so worth it once you start playing).

Signup
First, there's a signup period. The Host announces their intention to hold a Werewolf Game and tells everyone when the signup deadline is.

Players who wish to participate simply make a post stating that they'd like in.

The more people that sign up:

* The more Wolves there will be
* The more Auxiliary Roles will be used

Role Confirmation
After signups are closed, the Host randomly selects each player's role (see "Roles," below) and sends a Role ID to each player via Private Message (PM) (this means you need to have knowledge as to how PM'ing works before you play!!). This is the only positive proof you have of your role, and you cannot forward it to other players - it will result in getting kicked out of the game!!

Each player must send a PM to the Host which confirms that they have indeed received their Role ID (it is not necessary to name your role in your reply, although you can if you want).

With all players' roles confirmed, the Host begins the game proper.

Here's the detailed explanation as to what happens during the phases:

Dawn
Dawn of Day 1 is the introduction of the scenario by the Host.

Dawn of Day 2 and after, the Host informs the players who died during the night. That person is out of the game (they can't talk anymore, but they're certainly welcome to watch and see how the rest of the match goes).

Day
The Host announces when (in real time) Sundown is, and the players are free to say whatever they want until that time. ALL PLAYERS (Humans and Wolves!!) who are still alive must submit a lynch vote for a player they want killed before Sundown (if you don't, you get a "phantom vote" that counts against you the next day). (Just for the sake of clarification: Wolves must submit votes also, in order to remain unsuspicious; however, quite obviously, they're probably all going to vote for humans.)

Please see the Official Rules for more details on lynch voting and Phantom Votes.

Dusk (aka Sundown)
The Host tallies the votes, and whomever has the most votes against them is lynched. That player is out of the game. It is possible, under special circumstances, to get a lynching cancelled - see the "Roles" section for more on that.

Night
ALL PLAYERS must remain SILENT on the board during a Night phase. (You can still get in kahoots with other players via other private methods like PM at Night if you want, but you cannot speak on the board.) The Wolves PM each other and discuss who the kill will be tonight. The pack's spokeswolf will PM the Host, informing them who the target is.

Aux Roles who act at Night must also PM the Host to let them know if they will be exercising their ability that Night, and if so, on whom.

As I always give a Pencils Down post before announcing the day's lynch, there is NO EXCUSE for talking at Night: it will be punished by issuing a Phantom Vote.

Official Rules

This Host does have, and shall stick by, the rules here set forth, but let it not be assumed that the Host is not friendly (I'm very friendly ^.^). If you have any questions, or believe I should add or change a rule, please feel free to PM me.

Subsection 1: Lynch Voting Stipulations

Article 1: Vote Publicity
* Your vote MUST be publicly posted in the thread for all to see; this Host shall NOT accept votes by any other means (not PM, not IRC, AIM, MSN, or e-mail - nothing). As your vote must be public, it'd be wise to be sure of your decision.

Article 2: Vote Officiality
* This Host mandates that all votes must be cast in bold text in order to show the officiality of your vote (and so it catches this Host's eye). Any vote not cast as such shall not be considered official. It's pretty easy to bold text, but if you don't know how, you can always ask.

Article 3: Vote Alteration
* If you feel you've made a mistake with your vote, you may change your vote before Sundown arrives. Vote changes must also be cast in bold text to show that you are certain of your change. (It'd also be great if you could strike out your previous vote, so that if I feel I should do a re-count, I am reminded that you changed your mind.)

Article 4: Voting for Oneself
* If deemed tactically necessary, this Host grants players the right to vote for themselves if they're really sure they want to.

Article 5: Refusal to Vote
* If deemed tactically necessary, players are allowed to refuse to vote with the understanding that a refusal to vote will earn them a Phantom vote for the next day.

Subsection 2: Dynamics of Phantom Votes

Some do not understand what a Phantom Vote, also known by its abbreviation, "PV," is, or how it works; this subsection is here to lay out everything as simply as possible.

Article 1: Typical PV Allocation
* If you refuse to vote or fail to vote before Sundown, regardless of the reason, you will receive a Phantom Vote that will count against you the next Day phase. A PV holds the same amount of power as one vote cast against you by an actual player.

Article 2: Reprimand
* At the Host's discretion, Phantom Votes can be used to reprimand those who do not follow the rules of the Werewolf Game. Typically, one PV is assigned per infraction, but it can be more at the Host's discretion if the infraction is serious or is a repeat infraction.

Article 3: Non-Negotiability
* I will always double-check to assure someone truly has not voted or has refused to vote before officially assigning a PV, and thus PVs are not negotiable once they are officially assigned.

Article 4: Phantom Vote Carry-Over
* In the event that a lynching is cancelled, all Phantom Votes that were allocated for that day will instead carry over to the next Day phase that lynch votes are tallied on.

Subsection 3: Role Claims, PMs, and Alliances

Article 1: Forboding of Role ID Forwarding
* If any rule can be pointed at as the golden rule of the WWG, this is it. No player is at any time allowed to forward their Role ID to ANY other player for ANY reason, nor quote or screen-cap any part thereof (even if it doesn't positively identify their role). The Host will NEVER give permission to do it, so do not ask. If it can be proven that a player has forwarded any part of their Role ID in any manner, the Host shall kick that player out of the game IMMEDIATELY.

Article 2: Public Role Claims
* As long as 3-1 is followed, any player can publicly or privately claim to hold any role they want, including knowledge, be it true or false, they claim to have because of their role - in fact, it's part of the dynamics of playing this game.

Article 3: Formation of Alliances
* Players can form alliances if they like, through either public board or PM (although that's always risky, as you could be forming an alliance with a Wolf). Be careful what you say - keen observers will jump you if you say anything even remotely suspicious. (Even editing a post can result in suspicion.)

Article 4-A: Aux Role PMs to the Host
* If you are an Auxiliary Role required to PM me the name of a person you will perform an action on at Night, I stipulate that your first decision is final, so think about it before PM'ing me (the deadline is there to give you some time for thinking).

Article 4-B: Failure to PM at Night for Auxiliary Roles
* If an Auxiliary Role required to PM the Host fails to do so by the deadline, the Host will assume that Aux will not be taking action that Night.

Article 5-A: Werewolf PMs to the Host
* Please, please, please only one Wolf PM per Night phase. I give you several days so you can PM each other and discuss the matter. I do not want more than one Werewolf PM at Night; no Wolves second-guessing each other. The rule here will be the same as with Aux Roles: the first Wolf PM I receive that has a name on it will be the final kill decision for that Night.

Article 5-B: Failure to PM at Night for Werewolves
* If this occurs, I will take it upon myself to select a Human to kill. It will be random the first time, but if it happens more than once, as punishment for the tardy Wolves, the second and subsequent selections may purposely be a Civilian who does not hold an Aux Role.

Subsection 4: Death, Non-Participants and Talking

For further clarifications, see subsection 5, "Ghosts and Notes."

Article 1: Death by Lynching
* Some game themes allow those who are lynched final words. If it is allowed, you get ONE POST after I post your lynching to give final words, and that's it; after that, if you are dead, you cannot speak in the thread AT ALL anymore.

Article 2: Death by Nightkill
* If you're killed by roles which act at night (which is the Werewolves or a Ninja), you don't get final words, as you were killed at night when all other characters were presumably sleeping. If killed by the Wolves, no more talking in the thread for you.

Article 3: Death by Vigilante
* If you're killed by the Vigilante, as per Vigilante role rules, you are dead immediately, so it's up to the Vigilante whether to let you speak some kind of piece ahead of time; once they shoot you, you're done; no more talking in-thread.

Article 4: Non-Participants
* This Host has nothing against non-participants, and encourages all potential future players to watch the thread's activity. However, this Host stipulates that non-participants shall refrain from posting in the game's thread; if a non-participant has any questions, they may feel more than free to PM the Host or any players they wish to converse with.

Article 5: Removal of Illegal Posts
* Ordinarily, all posts, even stupid ones, are kept for the sole sake of helping players form opinions of each other. However, illegal posts (those made by non-participants after the Day 1 announcement that starts the actual game proper, and those made by dead players outside of "final words" posts authorized by the Host) shall be deleted by a moderator. No exceptions.

Subsection 5: Ghosts and Notes

If you've been killed, and perhaps even had no official opportunity for final words, but still wish to express wishes to the other players, PM me about it. I will decide on a case-by-case basis whether ghost sightings occur or whether your note will be passed along, although there will be some general rules:

Article 1: Ghost Sightings
* If you are dead and believe you have something important enough to say that you think it should warrant your ghost being sighted, PM me about it with what you'd like to say, and I will decide on a case-by-case basis whether your ghost will appear; if it does, I will make the post myself.

Article 2: Notes
* If you are dead and have written a note you believe will benefit the other Human players, PM it to me with what it will say, letting me know whether one individual will find it privately (I will PM it to them; you cannot stipulate who: I will choose randomly from among the remaining living Humans) or whether the note will be discovered publicly (I will post it in the thread).

Article 3: Time-, Chance-, or Character-Sensitive Notes
* This Host WILL NOT pass along any note that cites any kind of chances of being found based on time or luck, or can only be found by particular individuals (although I will accept notes that can only be found by the Coroner, as they investigate dead bodies; in which case, the note must be hidden on your person, ahead of time).

Article 4: Regarding Nightkills
* You may NOT author a note after a Werewolf or Ninja has killed you; the note must have been written before I got your kill PM from whomever killed you.

Role List and Explanations

Some game themes call roles by different names; if this is the case, the Host shall detail any role name changes in advance so everyone will be informed.

(Were)Wolf
You kill humans; it's in your nature. At night, you gather with the other wolves and kill one person each night. (In some larger games, the Pack Leader role may be used; the Pack Leader can choose to "sniff" a Human each night to see if that Human holds an Auxiliary Role. In really big games, he might even be told what it is.)

Civilian
You're an ordinary human who does not hold an Auxiliary Role. Nothing you can do other than cast your lynch vote, really.

Anything other than "Civilian" is considered an Auxiliary ("Aux") Role, and is special and unique. The good thing is, having an Aux Role gives you an advantage. The bad thing is, sure, you could try to help the other Humans by telling them who you are (remember, you can't show them your Role ID), but they might not believe you, and the wolves might catch on and try to kill you.

Seer
You can sense danger. Each night, you must PM the Host and tell them whether you wish to exercise your ability (which is to know how many Wolves there are left). If so, in some large games, the Wolves may be informed it's happened (or even who you are). (You don't leave your house at Night, so you can't spot anyone else acting at Night.)

Psychic
You can see hidden talents in others (and the truth in Wolves). Each night, you must PM the Host and tell them whether you wish to exercise your ability (you'll be informed of that player's exact role). The Wolves might get informed if you do this, so look out! (There's a chance you might spot other roles that act the same Night you do, although that's pretty slim unless it's your target who's up and about.)

Coroner
You specialize in dead people. Via PM, each Dawn, you're told the exact role of the person the Wolves killed, and each Sundown, you're told the exact role of the player who got lynched. You can use the process of elimination to determine who's left. (You will not be spotting other roles that act at Night; you'll be too busy examining the body.)

Insomniac
You have trouble sleeping at night (who wouldn't with all this killing going on?). Each night, you must PM the Host and tell them whether you were able to sleep. If not, you will be informed of the NAME of one of the wolves, which will certainly help you rest easier!! The problem is, the Wolves might see you, too. Be careful. (You may also spot other roles that act on Nights you can't sleep.)

Unknown Celebrity
You're popular where you came from, but the other players don't know this. If you're killed by the Wolves, the players will find out in the newspaper the next day, and that day's lynching will be CANCELLED. This provides a valuable opportunity for the other players to say whatever they want without fear of getting lynched for it (in fact, some hosts, this one included, will extend the Sundown deadline to give the players more time to discuss things when this happens).

Vigilante
You were smart - you packed a GUN. Trouble is, you only have one bullet. Once you're sure you know who you want dead, during any Day phase, you can announce your role publicly, and shoot anyone you want (this MUST BE CONFIRMED BY THE HOST). That player is dead IMMEDIATELY (some Hosts might cancel the day's lynching for this, because someone's already been killed). You may no longer have your gun, but at least now the other players know for sure you're human!! Note: In some games, if the Vigilante is killed before he can use his weapon, another human might find it, and the role of Vigilante is added to any other Aux Role that player might have. ALSO: It is impossible for anyone to pretend to be the Vigilante. Why? If you try to declare a shot, and you're not the Vigilante, it backfires because a shot MUST be confirmed by the host.

Ninja
You are a free agent ninja. At night, you must PM the Host to tell them if you're doing any stealthy assassinating tonight. If you end up killing a Wolf, the Wolves run scared for the night (and the dead body's Wolf form is plainly visible to everyone in the morning). If you kill a human, the Wolves still get their kill (and the humans will wake up with TWO deaths the next morning). This can work great against Wolves, but, as you can do it multiple times, if you don't know what the heck you're doing, you can end up wiping out the humans FOR them. Ninjas may be cool, but don't overdo it. Be careful!! (Also, if other Aux Roles that perform actions at night, such as the Insomniac or Guardian Angel, happen to be up and about the same night you are, you'll be told what you saw on the way to your target.)

Guardian Angel
You have the heavenly ability to guard the lives of those around you. Each night, you must PM the Host telling them who, if anyone, you're protecting tonight. You can't protect the same person more than one night in a row (unless the Wolves or the Ninja choose that person to kill - in which case, that person does not die, and you can protect the same player again the next night). Sure, you can protect yourself, but why be greedy? Also, some games force you to blow your cover when a protection is successful. Be cautious. (This role may spot other Night-acting roles, but chances are slim unless their target is the same as yours and enters the house you're in; you'll be too busy watching the one you're guarding to look out the window.)

Priest
Just as the Vigilante can bring death, you can bring life. Once per game, anytime Day or Night, publicly or privately, you can bring back to life any player who was previously dead. Again, you can only use that ability one time, period. You can DEVESTATE the Wolf team if you bring back a well-informed Aux Role late in the game (such as the Coroner, the Psychic, or the Insomniac), but you could just as easily get the human team killed by unintentionally bringing back a Wolf. Be careful with this role.

Mad Scientist
You've got a vial (or perhaps several vials in larger games) of a DNA-altering compound. If you force this down someone's throat at night, it will, guaranteed, change them into something else. It could give them (or if they already had one, change) their Auxiliary Role, but it could just as easily change a Human into a Wolf, so be careful!! If you use it on a Wolf, they're gonna mutate and gain Aux Roles. (I can't have Wolves, who know who the other Wolves are, turning into Humans, as interesting as that'd be. That'd give the Humans TOO much of an advantage.) Chances and potential nature of changes vary from game to game.

Nighttime Co-Discovery
When multiple Night-acting roles happen to act on the same Night, this Host may sometimes allow Night-time wanderers or other observant roles (such as the Insomniac) to spot one or more of the others acting that Night (this usually utilizes the Progressive Discovery rules, below).

Progressive Discovery
For Auxiliary Roles that act at night, that might discover the identities of other roles that also act at night, this Host generally adopts a policy of Progressive Discovery; that is, using your ability once or twice generally informs the others of nothing, but using it enough times will result in fellow Night-acters being told of your existence (probably as a figure running around), and, eventually, exactly who you are. How quickly Progressive Discovery works depends on game size and which roles are involved.
Powerdrone
So... basically a round of mafia?

*SHOTSHOTSHOTSHOTLYNCHEDSHOTSHOTLYNCHEDSHOT**
KRZY
In
Derekku
fffffff nostalgia

/in
NoHitter
joining too

I just hope I can host a game and play in one at the same time.
Cuddlebun
I guess I'll give it a go, but I still don't like the Mad Scientist
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Okies, status is updated.

As always, please let me know if I've spelled any names incorrectly.

NoHitter: You're hosting one also? Nifty! I expect good play from you then. ^.^

Tode: I only intend to use that if we somehow manage a ridiculous number of signups.
0_o
Let's hope this DOESN'T fail miserably :)

I'm in.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
I don't even recall all the reasons why WWG3 was such a huge failure (though I recall some), but I plan on WWG4 being a huge success.

To be honest, I am hoping for 20 players or more (although I suppose I'd begin with 15 if that's all I can get), I like big games.

Hopefully none of the obligatory (and necessary) shenanigans will break any rules this time around (such as was the controversy with WWG2, as I recall); either way, I've put those things behind me, have a better handle on things now (which can be seen by my extensive ruleset), and am thus both expecting, and looking forward to, an awesome WWG4. ^.^

Status is updated.
GladiOol
I'm in.

Brb 30 min. reading the rules now.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Theme Announcement

I've decided the theme of this game (actually, I had a feeling for a while now, but just now sat down and actually figured things out).

The theme this time around will be based on a video game series again, like WWG2 was.

As many Osu players seem to play Touhou games (dunno why that is, but it seems true enough), the setting will be a closed-off area of Gensokyo, with the Werewolves being Youkai with a human-like appearance who must eat humans to survive (all the hows and whys of the scenario will, as always, be explained on the Dawn of Day 1). Any players who don't know much/anything about Touhou should still be able to comprehend that the Aux's abilities haven't really changed for the most part - just the source of the ability; still, if those not familiar with Touhou are curious and want some more info, there's always TouhouWiki.

The players shall be taking part in a Gensokyan Reality Show that will be broadcast to its human village and anyone else in Gensokyo who bothers to watch TV.

Not all of the Aux Roles will necessarily be used, but I must state all reference changes in case they are, so here is the list:

Those who hold Auxiliary Roles will, for the most part, probably be referred to as those who are "gem-holders," as each Aux Role will hold a gem that can assist them with the ability to call upon the powers of or communication with a Gensokyan; these humans will, according to their Role IDs, arrive to find they have a gem in their possession that grants them their Aux Role ability, as follows:

* The Seer will have a pink gem that allows them to communicate with Satori Komeiji, who can detect for them how many Youkai are still remaining. This gem doesn't wear out, as per Seer role rules.

* The Psychic will have a dark orange gem that connects them to Sikieiki Yamaxanadu, who can judge the true identity of those the holder deems fit. This gem doesn't expire, citing typical Psychic role rules.

* The Coroner will be in possession of a green gem that allows Youmu Konpaku to communicate with them, who will calmly ascertain the identity of the dead for the gem-holder. As per Coroner role rules, this gem does not wear out.

* The Insomniac will have a yellow gem that can call upon help from Wriggle Nightbug, whose bugs can help the restless individual by greatly increasing chances of spotting and identifying Night-acters other than Youkai (Wolves) on Nights they use it (I say that because, as per role rules, the Insomniac will always spot a Youkai when they can't sleep); this gem will wear out after being used a few times, the number being dependent on how many people are playing (though they can still be sleepless and wander around without using it as many times as they want). If the Insomniac cannot sleep and chooses to wander around, their PM to me must tell me if they are utilizing Wriggle's help that night.

* The Vigilante will find in their possession a high-tech prototype compact Megawatt Linear Gun holding one test charge, embedded with the telltale teal-colored gem signifying it was made by Nitori Kawashiro. As with any Vigilante gun, it can only be used once; the gem will break when the gun is discharged.

* The Ninja can call upon the non-biased assasssination skills of Fujiwara no Mokou using their red gem. As per the Ninja role's rules, this gem does not wear out (although I'd be careful in using it if I were you).

* The Guardian Angel's blue gem can call upon Sanae Kotiya's protection abilities. GA role rules see to it that this gem does not wear out.

* The Priest has an indigo gem that calls upon the healing abilities of Eirin Yagokoro to bring one person back to life. This gem wears out after a single use, as per Priest role rules.

* The Mad Scientist has a dark purple gem that uses Medicine Melancholy's powers to infect a certain number of recipients with DNA-altering poison. How many times this gem can be used before it wears out depends on the number of players.

* The Unknown Celebrity will be the only Aux Role that does not hold a gem, as their role suggests.

I think my choices were pretty good, as I thought about this for a while (as I always do), but if hardcore Touhou players disagree with me on any of them, PM me and I might change it around a bit.

Let's get some more signups and have a really awesome game!
anonymous_old
It ain't gonna work mate. But I'll join anyway.

I'll read the rules later. =X
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
It will work. Have some faith.

Also, status is updated with Gladi's and Strager's signups.
Cuddlebun
Pasonia already tried a touhou-ish theme (well there was a lot of touhou don't know if it was the central theme) mate
dkun
I'll sign up~ :3
This seems like an interesting game.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Er...I haven't been around for a long time, so I had no way of knowing.

I'll do it anyway and we'll see what happens (unless a significant margin of people tell me the idea is stupid/corny/needs moar vitamins/is not over 9000, in which case I will have to put my thinking cap on again, or hire someone else to put theirs on).

I simply didn't want to host another standard-themed WWG; I'd done that with WWG1. I like to mix things up. (My only real hope is that I'm not doing it the same exact way Pasonia did, which I figure is probably a slim chance, especially considering I was not around to see it, but if it is exactly the same, then I have to change it.)

I dunno if the Alien Invasion idea I was gonna use for WWG3 is still any good, or if it was/is cursed, or if anyone would want me to try that again.

In any event, theme suggestions are always welcome; for now, we'll debate how much we like this one.
Derekku
WWG3 was completely cursed. Let's not even think about it anymore. =]
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Yeah, I'm thinkin' you're probably right, Derekku. Let's not think about that cursed-from-the-beginning scenario.

Still accepting signups and any ideas for alternate themes if you don't like the Touhou theme.
Derekku

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Still accepting signups and any ideas for alternate themes if you don't like the Touhou theme.
Stranded on Vocaloid island :V

Wait... I'd be the first to die U:

Scratch that one P:
Rolled
Okkkkkay let's do it for old times sake.

sign~
Hijiri Tezuka
I'm joining! :)
anonymous_old
Questions:

Ninja wrote:

(Also, if other Aux Roles that perform actions at night, such as the Insomniac or Guardian Angel, happen to be up and about the same night you are, you'll be told what you saw on the way to your target.)
Does this mean that if a player is up-and-about performing an action during the night, you cannot kill them (unless they are a Wolf)?

Is a Ninja kill blocked by a GA protect? Will the Ninja know who the GA is, and/or will the GA know who the Ninja is? Will the protected victim know who the Ninja is?

Priest wrote:

Once, anytime Day or Night, publicly or privately, you can bring back to life any player who was previously dead.
Is this once per game? If so, please state that explicitly.

Progressive discovery wrote:

For Auxiliary Roles which act at Night that those who act at Night may discover the identities of
This wording is unclear to me; can you please rewrite it?

Themed bullcrap
Should I care about all this theme stuff? Does it have any affect at all on gameplay? Is only terminology different?
adam2046
Joining.
strager is a wolf.

strager wrote:

Priest wrote:

Once, anytime Day or Night, publicly or privately, you can bring back to life any player who was previously dead.
Is this once per game? If so, please state that explicitly.
Let's go with once per day, because we know how well that went over last time.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Strager/Ninja questions: Good questions, and I am glad you asked (because though the answers are easy, it's best to point them out ahead of time so nobody gets all whiny about it). I will rule now that a GA protect shall prevent Ninja kills. Also, any target being up-and-about at night cannot prevent them from being killed by a Wolf (only a GA protect can shield someone from a Wolf kill).

I do state in the rules that some games force you to blow your cover if a GA protect is successful; if I am using the Touhou theme (which it looks like I am), I kinda have a choice, I guess, but I'll rule that the gem must be in close proximity, so if the Wolves select a protected target to kill, they'll discover the GA's identity. ...and come to think of it, if I rule that way for this theme, then the GA would have to know the identity of a Wolf also, as they'd realistically be within sight of each other.

Strager/Priest question: Somehow, every time I edit this back into my Rules, I forget to save it into my template on my computer, but allow me to make crystal clear that the Priest can only resurrect ONE PERSON PER GAME. I will edit that back into the rules again, as apparently it's not stated explicitly that way, and you're right, it should be.

Strager/Progressive Discovery question: Crappy wording is my fault. I'll fix it.

Strager/Theme question: Sometimes it affects role attributes, but in this case it's mostly a cosmetic theme.

Adam/Priest comment: In the last completed game (WWG2), the Humans won, as I recall. And in neither WWG1 nor WWG2 was the Priest's ability ever actually even used in the first place, so you effectively have zero point of reference (from my games, anyway).
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Okay, I believe all current questions are answered (please correct me by asking again if I'm wrong), and all necessary edits/clarifications have been edited into the rules (please point it out again if I'm wrong).

o.o Apparently, suddenly: Lots of people want to play. (This is a good thing, I'm just a bit surprised I got so many so fast.)

Also, Adam, Strager, a wolf? I don't know that, and neither do you, as the game hasn't even begun yet (hell, I haven't even assigned roles yet). However, if he ends up being a wolf, I shall, proverbially, eat my hat. With mustard (because mustard is delicious). :3

Status is updated and stuffiz.
Rolled

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

I do state in the rules that some games force you to blow your cover if a GA protect is successful; if I am using the Touhou theme (which it looks like I am), I kinda have a choice, I guess, but I'll rule that the gem must be in close proximity, so if the Wolves select a protected target to kill, they'll discover the GA's identity. ...and come to think of it, if I rule that way for this theme, then the GA would have to know the identity of a Wolf also, as they'd realistically be within sight of each other.
I'm assuming only the wolves will get the "Hey, this guy's the GA," and not the entire population?

Also, can the Scientist drink his own Vial(s)? And if so, in the case where there is 2 or more vials, will the Scientist still have vials left over if he turns into a wolf/a different role?
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Rolled: Both good questions.

Wolf/GA Discovery: Yes. Just the Wolves would get that heads-up.

Mad Scientist: I didn't even consider that the MS would even want to take their own poison; a good question as well. I suppose if I wanted to allow it, there'd be no good reason not to allow it (outside of the possibility of turning themselves into a Wolf), but I'm going to say no, the MS is not going to be ingesting their own concoctions (not this time, anyway). Isn't it more fun to shove it down someone else's throat anyway? :3

Extra Ruling: In the future, if I do allow the MS to ingest their own vials, if it turns them into a Wolf, extra vial(s) will be destroyed by accident as they transform; if it alters their Aux Role but they remain human, they keep any vial(s) they may have had remaining.
adam2046

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Adam/Priest comment: In the last completed game (WWG2), the Humans won, as I recall. And in neither WWG1 nor WWG2 was the Priest's ability ever actually even used in the first place, so you effectively have zero point of reference (from my games, anyway).
Yeah, it was Pasonia's game (constant priest revives are hilarious).

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Also, Adam, Strager, a wolf? I don't know that, and neither do you, as the game hasn't even begun yet (hell, I haven't even assigned roles yet). However, if he ends up being a wolf, I shall, proverbially, eat my hat. With mustard (because mustard is delicious). :3
He totally is.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
1) They may be hilarious (actually, I can very much imagine exactly why you say that :3), but it gives the humans far too much of an advantage, which is why standard rulesets limit the Priest to one resurrection per game. I support adding new roles for human advantage only if risk is involved; if you have an informed Priest who is allowed to resurrect people as many times as he wants, then there's no risk because he could just keep reviving a human until he himself dies. And by that time it will probably be too late for the Wolves.

2) I would not be surprised if:

* Day 1: Adam votes for Strager, Strager doesn't die
* Day 2: Adam votes for Strager, Strager doesn't die
* Day 3: Adam votes for Strager, Strager is lynched
* Day 4: "Uhhhhhh....Iunno lol my purpose in life has been fulfilled" *votes for self or refuses to vote*

This would be lol.
Cuddlebun

adam2046 wrote:

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Adam/Priest comment: In the last completed game (WWG2), the Humans won, as I recall. And in neither WWG1 nor WWG2 was the Priest's ability ever actually even used in the first place, so you effectively have zero point of reference (from my games, anyway).
Yeah, it was Pasonia's game (constant priest revives are hilarious).


as was Rolled and I breaking one of Pas's games with our 'special' interrogation techniques mirite fun times

HIGH FIVE ME ROLLED
Rolled
o/

Also, @ Mad Scientist drinking own vial, it's really a win/win situation for the scientist if they do it asap. They'll either get a more useful role, or they'll get to be a wolf which would give wolves an advantage since -1human +1wolf (and they'll be on the advantageous team, obviously) I know I'd do it.

Also, will the Mad Scientist remain anonymous after forcing someone to drink a vial? Based on the current description of the role, I would assume no. It would be kind of hard to "force" something down somebody's throat while remaining unnoticed. I think a fair way to go about it would be for the drinker to know who the scientist is, and the scientist will still be oblivious to the person's old/new role.

Moar scientist questions (it's an interesting role to me ;x) I know you've said the potential results of a vial differs from game to game. Will you be giving us any sort of probability? For example, I wouldn't even want to use a vial if it's a coin flip whether or not the person remains on the human side. Especially if I've done a lot of hard work convincing myself User X is a human. Giving someone a vial wipes the slate clean.

Honestly, I think the negatives of using a vial on someone outweigh the positives. I believe it would be a much better, and useful role, if it could not change a human into a wolf - just change a user's role, or give a wolf added abilities.

If we compare it to something like Vigilante, the flaws of scientist become more clear. Of course every role has a negative and positive effect. Best case scenario for Vigilante is he shoots a wolf (and lets the population know he can be trusted.) Worst case scenario is he shoots a human (yet also letting the human population know he can be trusted). These are pretty much the only two outcomes of this role.

Scientist, on the other hand, their bads outweigh the goods. It will be stressful enough finding a player who you are near certain is human. Then once you find this human (preferably just a vanilla civvie,) your hard work could be out the door, because he could potentially become an enemy. In this case, it would be more useful and safe to just keep him role-less, as it will definitely keep one more human on your team and you know he can be trusted. So the only good thing that comes from Mad Scientist is a probable event that a human will change their role into something more useful. The bad things, however:
  1. Turn a trusted human into a wolf
  2. Give a wolf a bigger advantage
Okay, so it's just 2v1. I still think the negative outcomes outweigh the positive ones. Not to mention, if it's late-game, I'm a human, and I'm hell-bent to beat the Wolves, if the next day I magically become a wolf, why expect me to jump ship? Thoughts?

TL;DR: Remove a Vial's chance of turning a human into a wolf.

If there's a 5% chance of a vial turning someone into a wolf, I would much rather there just be a 5% chance of out-right killing the human instead.
nardii
Wii would like to join!

Well, just me really, but you get what I mean.

Also, to the above: I agree, I would probably not want to use my ability if there's a high chance it turns a trusted person into a wolf that then has a huge advantage.
anonymous_old

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Also, any target being up-and-about at night cannot prevent them from being killed by a Wolf (only a GA protect can shield someone from a Wolf kill).
But what about a Ninja kill?

Rolled: You bring up a good argument. I have two "solutions":

You can promote like this:
Vanilla Townie => Aux Townie => Vanilla Wolf => Aux Wolf => Aux Aux Wolf => ...

If you give someone a vial, their role shifts one to the right. So, if you know someone is Vanilla Townie, you'll be giving them an Aux role. But if you know someone is Townie, you'll be giving them an Aux role or turning them into a Wolf.

Another solution is to kill the player instead of turning that player into a Wolf.

Both these solutions can combine to form a better solution; 25% chance the player dies, 12% chance the player is an Aux Townie (varies depending upon the game), leads to a 38% chance something bad happens if you randomly vial a Townie.

But how about we just remove the MS outright? ;P
Rolled
Don't remove it :( It's one of my favorite role ideas. It's a game make or breaker.

I like the first solution. One thing to add though.
The sure-most way to effectively use a vial would be to give it to the vigilante after he has used his bullet (hence, having no current abilities.) Using strager's first solution, would this make him wolf or have an another role?
anonymous_old

Rolled wrote:

The sure-most way to effectively use a vial would be to give it to the vigilante after he has used his bullet (hence, having no current abilities.) Using strager's first solution, would this make him wolf or have an another role?
Wolf, of course. Whether or not he has a gun does not determine if he holds an Aux role.
anonymous_old

Rolled wrote:

Don't remove it :( It's one of my favorite role ideas. It's a game make or breaker.
That's kinda one reason why I don't like this role. =]
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
You support your arguments well, Rolled, but still, you have not convinced me to remove MS vials' ability to turn Humans into Wolves. The necessary risk factor would result in more careful thinking on the part of the MS. Also, I haven't used the role yet (and as stated before, don't intend to unless we get a ridiculous number of signups), but I really don't think it'd be a 50/50 coinflip-type chance between human aux vs. wolf transformation. It'd probably be more 80/20 or 85/15-ish I think I like 90/10-ish better, leaning toward different Aux roles the player could gain (with the 10% being a transformation into a Wolf).

As for the anonymity of the MS when they use their ability, that depends on the nature of the theme (because it depends on the nature of the administration of the concoction). For example, in a typical WWG, if you literally did have a vial to shove down their throat, this, clearly, would awaken them, and they'd see you. You would not retain your anonymity. However, in themes like this one, or high-tech stuff like small needle guns that might not wake the subject, you would remain anonymous because the method of administration would (presumably) not wake the subject.

As for the MS drinking their own vial being a win/win: Thank you for unwittingly supporting my decision to not let MSs do that. :3

Also, status is updated with Nardi's signup.
Mashley
I'd join if it wasn't touhou themed.
Cuddlebun
what are you talking about ash this game is going to be so fun when you don't know any of the references :U
anonymous_old

strager wrote:

Ace Of Hearts wrote:

Also, any target being up-and-about at night cannot prevent them from being killed by a Wolf (only a GA protect can shield someone from a Wolf kill).
But what about a Ninja kill?
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
Also only stoppable by a GA protect.
DJblackthorne
If you don't mind having a new guy i would like in.

Also, what was talked about during the days while the game was active, was it roleplay chatter or a variant of normal off-topic discussion?
Rolled

DJblackthorne wrote:

If you don't mind having a new guy i would like in.

Also, what was talked about during the days while the game was active, was it roleplay chatter or a variant of normal off-topic discussion?
A few people got pretty into the role-playing aspect of the game. Don't feel inclined, though.
Topic Starter
AceOfArrows
You may, of course, roleplay (a decent portion of players always do, and I'd suggest it, it helps the mood of the game, in my opinion), but you don't have to. Some people just place their mandatory vote and say nothing else all Day, or use cold hard logic to determine the best choice of player for their vote (nothing wrong with either of those things either; the variety of players is what makes every WWG unique).

Also: Status is updated.
Pasonia
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AceOfArrows
1. That was the only thing I really thought hard about. I coulda done Yuyuko (as she's the princess of that realm), I coulda said Komachi, but in the end, I chose Youmu. She does deal occasionally with ghosts, so I figured it was at least somewhat appropriate, unless you guys want Komachi instead or something.

2. Your signup is noted.
Two_old
I will play
Chris_old
Sign me up.
Derekku
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