IntelliTroodon wrote:

kddk

Pro

1. Fast BPM streams easier to do, as dddddddd and kkkkkkkk can be done with 2 hands => Kinda, until you hit a very high bpm like 240+, it becomes extremely tiring to do.
   
   
2. It looks like the HUD drum => Remember that you have only 2 sticks with a real HUD drum, exactly like my config does in term of numbers.
   
   
3. It's the default, so everyone usually starts out with it => Yeah, naturally.
   
   
4. dkdkdk can be done with 1 hand in slow sections, in order to give the other hand a rest => Maybe similar to the 1/2 thing, it's all about speed.

Con

1. Little bit awkward to learn => It remains pretty logical so not really. I admit that the learning curve becomes shit later on.
   
   
2. Finishes in general are more complex at first => The real pain starts here, try to get an almost-simultaneous hit with only 2 index, it's laughably hard.
   
   
3. Shakers/Spinner can't be done with 2 index fingers => You can learn how to spin fast seprarately, it's not really a problem if you know how to quickly shift from 4 fingers to 2 while doing that. (lol it feels like cheating on that point)
   
   
4. Fast patterns that switch between d and k (like kkkdddkkkddd) are awkward (at least for me) => Agreed, these are one of my primary sources of shitmisses because I keep misexecuting them while reading correctly.

IntelliTroodon wrote:

I just wanted to see what everyone else thought. I believe the majority of everyone uses kddk, but I myself prefer ddkk, so I've decided to make a pro/con chart for both.

kddk

Pro

1. Fast BPM streams easier to do, as dddddddd and kkkkkkkk can be done with 2 hands yup
   
   
2. It looks like the HUD drum yah
   
   
3. It's the default, so everyone usually starts out with it kinda true
   
   
4. dkdkdk can be done with 1 hand in slow sections, in order to give the other hand a rest I'd never do that as a full alt player

Con

1. Little bit awkward to learn REALLYawkward
   
   
2. Finishes in general are more complex at first kind of, ye
   
   
3. Shakers/Spinner can't be done with 2 index fingers I spam all buttons kd kd kd kd kd kd or viceversa, so it's not a problem anymore
   
   
4. Fast patterns that switch between d and k (like kkkdddkkkddd) are awkward (at least for me) yessss I thought I was the only one. I mean, ddkkddk is easy for me, but dddkkkdddk is NOTTTT!!!!!!111oneone

ddkk

Pro

1. Finishes much more simple to learn how to do
   
   
2. Less harsh learning curve
   
   
3. dkdkdkdkdk patterns are really easy
   
   
4. ONE HAND FINISHES BB
   
   
5. Shakers/Spinners can be done with 2 index fingers
   
   
6. Fast patterns that switch between d and k (such as kkkdddkkkddd) are easier

Con

1. dddddd and kkkkkkk are death
   
   
2. Dd, dD, kK and Kk are also death
   
   
3. 2 hands. Always.
   
   
4. Harder to understand at a glance as it looks completely different then the HUD drum
   
   
5. Did I mention that dddddd and kkkkkk are death? 'Cos they are.

Those are just my thoughts, and my bindings are zx for d and nm for k. What do you guys think?

MMzz wrote:

I only play kddk so I will talk about that. This is more of a general consensus instead of my personal views.

Pros: (ST = singletap ALT = full alternate)
This is all assuming you are using 4 fingers to play.

ST/ALT - Single color patterns can be done with both hands for better stability/accuracy and comfort.

ST/ALT - Spinners can be done with ease alternating dkdkdkd across 4 fingers. (v c z x v c z x v c z x for example)

ST/ALT - 1/6 combos are generally easier with two hands. ddkkddkkddkk 1/6 being the only exception, much easier on ddkk style using the same technique as spinners.

ST - Finishers won't ruin your rhythm/flow because you keep rhythm on 1 hand.

ALT - Stamina on high BPM won't be a huge issue compared to ST.

ST - Accuracy is generally easier because you aren't focusing on alternating each note. (This probably won't count after playing ALT for a long time though)

Cons:
Still assuming you are using 4 fingers.

ST - Stamina will be your downfall at higher BPM. Going into the higher 200's while using your left/right hand for the majority rhythm will hurt and require practice.

ST - Offbeat patterns like doubles and quads can be annoying because you will start patterns/maintain rhythm on your opposite hand sometimes.

ALT - Finishers will usually destroy your constant alternating note flow/rhythm unless the finisher has a break after it. But more dense patterns with finishers will be a pain.

IntelliTroodon wrote:

I just wanted to see what everyone else thought. I believe the majority of everyone uses kddk, but I myself prefer ddkk, so I've decided to make a pro/con chart for both.

kddk

Pro

1. Fast BPM streams easier to do, as dddddddd and kkkkkkkk can be done with 2 hands so? it's still rape
   
   
2. It looks like the HUD drum performance > aesthetics
   
   
3. It's the default, so everyone usually starts out with it not true but yea
   
   
4. dkdkdk can be done with 1 hand in slow sections, in order to give the other hand a rest

true true

Con

1. Little bit awkward to learn
   
   
2. Finishes in general are more complex at first yes
   
   
3. Shakers/Spinner can't be done with 2 index fingers who even does that?
   
   
4. Fast patterns that switch between d and k (like kkkdddkkkddd) are awkward (at least for me)

ALTERNATION D:

most of the time really fast notes can be done better with kddk than dd kk

ddkk

Pro

1. Finishes much more simple to learn how to do it feels more natural to me
   
   
2. Less harsh learning curve
   
   
3. dkdkdkdkdk patterns are really easy err NOOOOOO, it requires a lot of precision to do long patterns that alternate colors especially at higher bpm
   
   
4. ONE HAND FINISHES BB exactly
   
   
5. Shakers/Spinners can be done with 2 index fingers or just use all 4?
   
   
6. Fast patterns that switch between d and k (such as kkkdddkkkddd) are easier

just roll 'em off the keyboard

Con

1. dddddd and kkkkkkk are death they are as well with kddk
   
   
2. Dd, dD, kK and Kk are also death but that's only in converts, not in ranked taiko sets
   
   
3. 2 hands. Always. two hand training, requires both hands to train equally to prevent 1 becoming dominant
   
   
4. Harder to understand at a glance as it looks completely different then the HUD drum performance > aesthetics
   
   
5. Did I mention that dddddd and kkkkkk are death? 'Cos they are.

yesyou did

Those are just my thoughts, and my bindings are zx for d and nm for k. What do you guys think?

for some converts with really fast like 1/8 i play with g hj k so i can put both index fingers on either color quickly , makes me feel special

1. Insane stamina.
2. Streams are easier to read, because you play them as everything else you do, just faster.
3. 1/6 inside streams are not as complicated because you shouldn't have a dominant hand (I still do though ;_;)
4. dddkkkdddk patterns are easier than without alternating, because when you have ddd kkk ddd kkk (which can be common) or ddk kkd ddk kkd, you are already doing what you would do at dddkkkdddk, just with breaks in between, but it's still more difficult than with ddkk.

1. Finishers are death. If you play with a reset after it, when you have multiple in a row with some notes in between, things get really really complicated (for example, Burn). If you don't play with a reset after it, it gets even more confusing because you have to memorize what hand did you use before and spam using that hand, which essentially doesn't feel like alternating anymore.
2. Streams are harder to perform.
3. Short consecutive 1/6 bursts can be very confusing because you start the next pattern with the same hand you did the last one.
4. Doubles, quads and other even-numbered rhythms can be really awkward to do, especially at higher bpm.
5. Offbeat kats during streams can ruin the balance and then you start missing.
6. More difficult to keep accuracy in check.
7. Really difficult to learn, especially if you have to spread the rhythm to both hands.

lolcubes wrote:

As a full alt kddk player, here's my view:

Pros:

1. Insane stamina.
2. Streams are easier to read, because you play them as everything else you do, just faster.
3. 1/6 inside streams are not as complicated because you shouldn't have a dominant hand (I still do though ;_;)
4. dddkkkdddk patterns are easier than without alternating, because when you have ddd kkk ddd kkk (which can be common) or ddk kkd ddk kkd, you are already doing what you would do at dddkkkdddk, just with breaks in between, but it's still more difficult than with ddkk.

Cons:

1. Finishers are death. If you play with a reset after it, when you have multiple in a row with some notes in between, things get really really complicated (for example, Burn). If you don't play with a reset after it, it gets even more confusing because you have to memorize what hand did you use before and spam using that hand, which essentially doesn't feel like alternating anymore.
2. Streams are harder to perform.
3. Short consecutive 1/6 bursts can be very confusing because you start the next pattern with the same hand you did the last one.
4. Doubles, quads and other even-numbered rhythms can be really awkward to do, especially at higher bpm.
5. Offbeat kats during streams can ruin the balance and then you start missing.
6. More difficult to keep accuracy in check.
7. Really difficult to learn, especially if you have to spread the rhythm to both hands.

I'd say, just because of the stamina, it's worth trying full alt.
With enough practice, I suppose everything is doable with full alt. :p

Raiden wrote:

Everything is doable in any playstyle imo, they just got their cons and their pros. I personally think the limits on every playstyle are put on by the player itself, not the playstyle.

Valth wrote:

Hello so i nicely got send here and i was thinking .... do the dddddddd / kkkkkkkk pattern really IMPOSSIBLE humanly to do with a ddkk playstyle ??

I really like that way to play and i maneged to get quit good for a beginner with it, i'm trying to change to the kddk system is a bit weird now !

Valth wrote:

He he he thanks for the good mood I WAS THINKING : Hmmmmm it's maybe a little cheating (?) but i saw that in taiko the right/left mouse clicks are still activated, if i get a program that translate to my PC that 2 keys on my keyboard are the same keys for the right/left mouse it could be nice to put a K near the DD and a D near th KK to easly change to the 8 same-color in a row. Did anyboby tought about that ?

IntelliTroodon wrote:

Valth wrote:

He he he thanks for the good mood I WAS THINKING : Hmmmmm it's maybe a little cheating (?) but i saw that in taiko the right/left mouse clicks are still activated, if i get a program that translate to my PC that 2 keys on my keyboard are the same keys for the right/left mouse it could be nice to put a K near the DD and a D near th KK to easly change to the 8 same-color in a row. Did anyboby tought about that ?

I think there would be a problem with this because the game is designed for 4 keys. It would be like hitting the same key 2 times at once.

Valth wrote:

He he he thanks for the good mood I WAS THINKING : Hmmmmm it's maybe a little cheating (?) but i saw that in taiko the right/left mouse clicks are still activated, if i get a program that translate to my PC that 2 keys on my keyboard are the same keys for the right/left mouse it could be nice to put a K near the DD and a D near th KK to easly change to the 8 same-color in a row. Did anyboby tought about that ?

StephenLovesJig wrote:

Now, if you wonder if I always try to hit the big D and K notes, there are many circumstances where I don't do so. Many cases include the Taiko Oni of Freedom Dive, or if there is a stream of D and a mix of little d in that too. An example myself would be similar to the last stream in the aforementioned beatmap difficulty:
dddddddDdddddddKdddddddK
For this, I just hit the big D notes as if they are regular d, as my hands can't stream D notes unless the note per second speed is a bit slow, like 5-7 D or K a second is near my max.

I don't do kddk at all, so I can't really tell you anything about using that scheme.

NeonPhoenix wrote:

I've played kddk since I started taiko and I would always play patterns with just my right hand if it wasn't too fast. Now I've come to the point where I have to play these patterns with both hands and I just can't do it. So today I switched to ddkk, I think it will be better for me in the long run.

Raiden wrote:

That's what happened to me at first place. I hit a wall as high as the Empire State and couldn't advance, so I first thought of quitting. But then some people talked about "different playstyles" and I decided to try the "full alternate" style as a kddk player. I never felt so badass. I mean, focusing on alternate every note is complicated to learn, but when you learn it, you're able to spread the rhythm to both hands and streams become easier to read, even tho heavy hand changing streams (dddkkkdddk) still screw up my flow, I've managed to advance more than I was first with singletapping.

oxxoxooxxxoxo wrote:

Also it's pretty.

ikin5050 wrote:

with time and effort both can be equally good although some have advantages in some areas, like 1/6 is easier kddk but kkddkkddkkddkkdd is much easier ddkk

MMzz wrote:

Really fast ddkkddkkddkkddkk can be hit MUCH easier with ddkk though. Same technique as spinners in kddk.

Potatocracy wrote:

MMzz wrote:

Really fast ddkkddkkddkkddkk can be hit MUCH easier with ddkk though. Same technique as spinners in kddk.

I don't get this at all. Regardless of whether you use kddk or ddkk, you use the same finger motion to do this pattern right? Maybe I'm the only one that does it this way, but it looks to me that the pattern is played the exact same with the only difference being your starting and ending position...

Tasha wrote:

Gotta agree here with Potatocracy. ddkkddkk repeated is just as easy with ddkk or kddk, as is kddkkddkk or its inverse. Anything in doubles is relatively easy to play and understand for both playstyles. It only gets confusing for kddk when there's a lot of hand swapping for what is considered dominant hand (assuming full alternate here due to talking about streams). That's where ddkk gets an advantage as hand swapping doesn't need to be learned in the same way with ddkk.

Potatocracy wrote:

I have this thing where I have to know what hand/finger to start in order to do patterns right. It's rough sometimes but I definitely like it the most. Unfortunately, I get destroyed by any pattern with rapid dd kk kd or dk. I don't know if those are hard for every keystyle or not, but my kddk single-tapping does not fare well against many doubles.

Does anyone just find rapid uses of dd kk dk and kd flat out easy? If so do tell

salumeca wrote:

what if the player also plays std or osu mania? I feel that ddkk would be easier for std players, but what about mania?

Sy[K]es wrote:

Am I the only person that uses dk dk?;3;

MMzz wrote:

I only play kddk so I will talk about that. This is more of a general consensus instead of my personal views.
Pros: (ST = singletap ALT = full alternate)
This is all assuming you are using 4 fingers to play. k
ST/ALT - Single color patterns can be done with both hands for better stability/accuracy and comfort. unless you play standard a lot, then one hand would possibly be more cozy
ST/ALT - Spinners can be done with ease alternating dkdkdkd across 4 fingers. (v c z x v c z x v c z x for example) Das fun times
ST/ALT - 1/6 combos are generally easier with two hands. ddkkddkkddkk 1/6 being the only exception, much easier on ddkk style using the same technique as spinners. Sorta, goes both ways
ST - Finishers won't ruin your rhythm/flow because you keep rhythm on 1 hand. All the bonus points!
ALT - Stamina on high BPM won't be a huge issue compared to ST. Unless you're me.. 260bpm singletapping FTW!
ST - Accuracy is generally easier because you aren't focusing on alternating each note. (This probably won't count after playing ALT for a long time though) All tha points dude!
Cons:
Still assuming you are using 4 fingers.
ST - Stamina will be your downfall at higher BPM. Going into the higher 200's while using your left/right hand for the majority rhythm will hurt and require practice. *cough* "Practice"
ST - Offbeat patterns like doubles and quads can be annoying because you will start patterns/maintain rhythm on your opposite hand sometimes. unless you have like an alternating single-tappy sense. sorta, idk im ambidextrous
ALT - Finishers will usually destroy your constant alternating note flow/rhythm unless the finisher has a break after it. But more dense patterns with finishers will be a pain. RIP Bonus points

Cipse wrote:

Does anyone use dkdk?
I've used both kddk and ddkk and I didn't like them

With kddk, I found that having the same colours on different fingers (d is on the left index but on the right middle finger) was extremely confusing. I then thought that I could make it easier by playing as ddkk. It was much easier to read but I found it was much less practical than kddk because of single-handed trills (those are fun to play on mania, though).