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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
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Stefan
Global Moderator
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Stefan
Hello everyone! With this request I want to introduce the new structure of the Beatmap Project Forum. This forum is a place where mappers can get together to work on a project. A project defines as a group work, formed as Collaboration (short 'Collab'), creating Guest Difficulties and completing whole Albums or Discographies, and over the years the number of mappers increased immense.

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Therefore we need a good overview of this forum and if possbile convenient features which will improve the efficiency of the forum for sure. So far, some moderators and I reworked the rules of the forum to the current situation and having a full rework of the forum requires some additions - to make it possible what I've been writing here. You guys can also drop your opinion - because it's something some of you guys very likely use - and may suggest better ideas and/or counter-arguments to the requests I have:


  1. Project Tags: These tags are known by the Feature Request or the Help Forum and can be used to mark your project "more obvious", raw example. These would be: [Collab], [Discography] (or [Discog] to short it), and [Album].

  2. Filter Option: Following to the Project Tags suggestion, a filter/sorting option should be added. It makes it more attractive to lurk for Collabs and to participate in other beatmaps.

  3. Own Subforum for Guest Difficulty Requests: The number of GD requests explodes, literally, and having them grouped with Album/Discography/Collab Projects seems silly, yet the best place to post them would be this forum. So instead, they should be bundled in a own seperate forum, specifically for Guest Difficulty requests of any mode.

  4. Restriction addition: You should have at least one ranked beatmap to create a thread in the forum (excluding GDR Forum request): At first it sounds quite strict, even unfair towards new mappers but please let me explain the idea: In many cases users do request songs to be mapped and/or created poorly made Discography/Album projects - which doesn't makes sense since we decided to remove any unrelated threads from the forum.

    It's quite questionable if a brand-new mapper - without any experience in mapping - should really create own projects in the forum. Because it would be smarter if the user should rather get a sense of how mapping works. This rule would exclude the previous suggestion - about a own subforum for Guest Difficulty requests. As well, it's pretty WiP and very likely needs a better wording/structure.

  5. Restriction addition: You cannot create a new thread in the Completed Project subforum: This is just a very minor issue I want to get solved since you can post in this subforum while you're not really supposed to do that - like the Community Voice forum. If ever, moderators move completed projects to this forum.
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The Beatmap Project Forum is a known place to start bigger projects such as Collabs or mapping a whole album to an artist. So since I've cleared the forum from all these Beatmap requests threads I've got some ideas how to improve the design for a bit.

  1. Similar in the Technial Support and this forum here there is the [web] tag which is colored in the Thread list. I want to see something similar for the Beatmap Project forum for [Collab], [Discography] and [Album] since these three things are the most common projects there.

  2. By having this feature it should also be possible to sort them depending on their Tag. So if you filter by Discography you will only see Threads having the [Discography] tag in the title.

  3. As well, I would like to split Collaborations (either making a Collab Difficulty or working together on a mapset) from the Discography/Album threads. It makes it easier to read out what the user want to reach with his thread.

What's the point behind this idea?

Some may be use this forum to check out if there is already a running project for the serie/video game/whatever or to see how much has been mapped for this project. It prevents duplicates and could help people to find something faster (since some people aren't familiar with the search option..) Of course there is only a small amount of projects there having these tags before the title so many of them without a tag wouldn't be listed but it helps for the future.
Mao
Elite Mapper II
2,963 posts
Joined December 2012
Mao
Oh yeah, the beatmap requests. Cool idea that would really add some structuring to this subforum.
Yauxo
1,622 posts
Joined June 2011
Yauxo

Mao wrote:

Oh yeah, the beatmap requests. Cool idea that would really add some structuring to this subforum.
In general, I'd love if people would actually use it more than now.
If this helps to achieve ^ (for whatever reason), then I'll support
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
Why not force people to use these tags?
This way it'll prevent Beatmap requests
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
9,218 posts
Joined June 2009
deadbeat
people are using the tags. the idea is to make those tags work in the same way as [web]
Bara-
11,978 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
I understand, but why not FORCE the person when he opens a thread to select one, so there will be less beatmap requests, because they are not fitted in anywhere
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2009
deadbeat
how would that stop people making one? if they don't care enough to read announcements, what makes you think they wont just pick a random tag :/
back on track, having more [subject] tags could be more fun
Bara-
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Joined April 2013
Bara-
Maybe also add the tag Beatmap Request, and then when they click on it, they get a big notification
BEATMAP REQUESTS ARE NOT ALLOWED
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Stefan

baraatje123 wrote:

Maybe also add the tag Beatmap Request, and then when they click on it, they get a big notification
BEATMAP REQUESTS ARE NOT ALLOWED
I lock and waste them 24 hours later.
- Marco -
7,366 posts
Joined December 2011
- Marco -

baraatje123 wrote:

Maybe also add the tag Beatmap Request, and then when they click on it, they get a big notification
BEATMAP REQUESTS ARE NOT ALLOWED
After they know it they use another tag. Happy 8000 posts Feature Requests btw
Bara-
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Joined April 2013
Bara-

marcostudios wrote:

Happy 8000 posts Feature Requests btw
Yaay
Congratz Feature Req forum :D
Cerulean Veyron
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Joined August 2012
Cerulean Veyron
That'd sound a great idea for that forum thread :3/
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Stefan
IMMENSE BUMP

Reworked OP, need opinons/ideas/whatever.
Bara-
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Joined April 2013
Bara-
I completely agree with like every point you mention
Yuii-
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Joined July 2013
Yuii-
Personally, I don't think it's an "immense" bump. I've seen some cool posts being bumped after 5 years of inactivity. But that's not why I'm here.

Stefan wrote:

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I will have to agree here, especially considering the amount of off-topic threads and/or unrelated topics that (as you mention on the post) should be removed. As for today, this forum requires constant moderation because, honestly speaking, nobody ever reads the god damn rules.

Creating a brand-new forum for new mappers to request songs/GDs would be much appreciated.

As for "You must have at least one ranked beatmap to post in the forum" I would have to disagree. There's some really well-made posts outta there from people who haven't even touched the editor in their lives. Not giving any specific case, but there are some cool ones, we both know that. One solution to this could be to implement "Forum Moderators" (oh wait, there was a time when they existed!!!!) (or you know what, GMTs could do this) in order to give "special permissions" for those who have a project in mind. However, they /must/ show a preview of their work.
Let me give you an example: Yuii- (who doesn't have any ranked maps) cannot post in this new forum, but if he talks to John (Forum Moderator) and shows to him what he has in mind, with (let's say) 70% of the post, Yuii-'d be granted a permission to post in there.

As for the bugs, would be nice if they could be fixed as soon as possible.

As said, I support pretty much everything.
Seijiro
osu! Alumni
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Joined April 2013
Seijiro
I now see what you meant when I asked about it too and I totally agree.
Still the "needs at least 1 ranked map" has some exceptional cases, as Yuii- mentioned. Having someone to grant the posting ability would be a bit messy in regards of forum roles, so what about this: following all the requests, the post ability would be allowed in the GD request subforum, right? In this case, the ones without ranked maps but with a cool Discography project in mind (or any other project that goes in there) can make it in that forum and a moderator will move it later in the correct section. This way we don't really need to mess up with special roles and whatnot just to make exceptions get through imo.
Endaris
5,282 posts
Joined June 2010
Endaris
I vaguely remember a feature request about restructuring the mapping forums altogether as they're scattered across the board right now, especially mapping techniques and the discussion forum about ranking criteria.
As the request suggests an overhaul of the subforumstructure I think you could call it related: t/172476/start=0

Also tbh, I would rather see it the other way around: Creating a discography or album-thread doesn't hurt at all, especially not when there are already ranked maps for that artist/album, regardless of who creates the thread - the only important thing is that it has to be maintained.
On the other hand, requesting a GD when your own difficulties are nonsense doesn't work out at all as the forum will fill up with tons of GD requests that none wants to take on. It would be much more productive if you needed one ranked map to request guest difficulties. In that case mappers could specifically provide GD-slots for new mappers that look for an opportunity to prove themselves on a map that goes for rank without having to map a full spread or something like that.
My spontaneous thoughts so far.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Stefan

Endaris wrote:

I vaguely remember a feature request about restructuring the mapping forums altogether as they're scattered across the board right now, especially mapping techniques and the discussion forum about ranking criteria.
As the request suggests an overhaul of the subforumstructure I think you could call it related: t/172476/start=0.
Well, no. My requests asks for a new subforum in the Beatmap Project Area to have a proper sorting between GD Requests and Discog/Collab/Album Projects. The one you mentioned was asking for a more logical organization, so that things like RC and General Questions are bunched on the same category since both are related to mapping and/or modding. The intention of both is similar but different in their procedure.
Endaris
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Joined June 2010
Endaris
related =/= duplicate
If it is going to happen it would make sense to check/apply both at the same time, that's why I linked it.
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,407 posts
Joined January 2011
Topic Starter
Stefan
Made a change for one suggestion:

  1. Restriction addition: You should have at least one ranked beatmap to create a thread in the forum (excluding GDR Forum request): At first it sounds quite strict, even unfair towards new mappers but please let me explain the idea: In many cases users do request songs to be mapped and/or created poorly made Discography/Album projects - which doesn't makes sense since we decided to remove any unrelated threads from the forum.

    It's quite questionable if a brand-new mapper - without any experience in mapping - should really create own projects in the forum. Because it would be smarter if the user should rather get a sense of how mapping works. This rule would exclude the previous suggestion - about a own subforum for Guest Difficulty requests. As well, it's pretty WiP and very likely needs a better wording/structure.
abraker
Global Moderator
8,327 posts
Joined July 2014
abraker

Stefan wrote:

Made a change for one suggestion:

  1. Restriction addition: You should have at least one ranked beatmap to create a thread in the forum (excluding GDR Forum request): At first it sounds quite strict, even unfair towards new mappers but please let me explain the idea: In many cases users do request songs to be mapped and/or created poorly made Discography/Album projects - which doesn't makes sense since we decided to remove any unrelated threads from the forum.

    It's quite questionable if a brand-new mapper - without any experience in mapping - should really create own projects in the forum. Because it would be smarter if the user should rather get a sense of how mapping works. This rule would exclude the previous suggestion - about a own subforum for Guest Difficulty requests. As well, it's pretty WiP and very likely needs a better wording/structure.
This rule is very unfair for unranked mappers generally. Seems like this is going towards making a bigger divide between unranked mappers and ranked mappers. Consider that some projects are not going for ranking and are by mappers who never ranked anything but have good mapping experience.
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