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Maybe they would if you stopped insulting them?
These are called stacks, they are common as hell and can be found in every map.Canucker25 wrote:
Another thing don't cover the beats with the explosion of the previous beat you can't tell if there is one or not!
QQ
Go play CTB or something.
Go play CTB or something.
/threadstrager wrote:
QQ
Go play CTB or something.
learn to spin controlled and then this won't be a problem ( this takes time) also learn when in a certain map a spinner is followed by a hit circle and anticipate on that.Canucker25 wrote:
Don't put a beat right after you're done spinning! when you're spinning like mad to rack up points it takes a second to find your cursor and 9/10 you miss the bloody beat!
even the original ds ones had them they are easy if you know where they areCanucker25 wrote:
Also stop putting the next beat you're supposed to hit further away then the one you are supposed to hit after it's BS.
stacks are very common and just look how may are circles are stackedCanucker25 wrote:
Another thing don't cover the beats with the explosion of the previous beat you can't tell if there is one or not!
stacks are fun imo, though i kinda lose timing on it often....:V
But ye, learn what to look for during most of the stacks, jumps and after spinner buttons. You'll breeze through it in no time~
But ye, learn what to look for during most of the stacks, jumps and after spinner buttons. You'll breeze through it in no time~
looks like osu needs a new mode called Dominosu
Learn to play maps, idiot!
The last problem you have can be solved quickly.
Go into the osu! folder and open up osume. Now go to the Extra tab and download the Minimal skin.
Voila, hit circles no longer get covered up by hitbursts. Isn't it just wonderful?
For jumps, don't read spacing. Instead, glance at approach circles to get an idea of when to hit it and then use your ear and intuition to time the hit correctly. Actually, this is how you should read every single map. You'll get used to it, trust me.
As for spinners?
Spin small circles of a moderate (280 to 330 RPM) speed when you aren't sure how long the spinner is. You'll get the hang of it eventually.
Go into the osu! folder and open up osume. Now go to the Extra tab and download the Minimal skin.
Voila, hit circles no longer get covered up by hitbursts. Isn't it just wonderful?
For jumps, don't read spacing. Instead, glance at approach circles to get an idea of when to hit it and then use your ear and intuition to time the hit correctly. Actually, this is how you should read every single map. You'll get used to it, trust me.
As for spinners?
Spin small circles of a moderate (280 to 330 RPM) speed when you aren't sure how long the spinner is. You'll get the hang of it eventually.
No.Ekaru wrote:
For jumps, don't read spacing. Instead, glance at approach circles to get an idea of when to hit it and then use your ear and intuition to time the hit correctly. Actually, this is how you should read every single map. You'll get used to it, trust me.
Not EVERY map. Pro maps (especially those with OD9 or sometimes OD8, and those "maps" with OD10) and using Hidden require you to read approach times, not approach circles.
But yes, you read to estimate the beat, and use the music to hit the beat as closely as possible.
You can look at the spinner circle to estimate how long the spinner is. For most spinners, you can spin however you want, and if you notice the spinner is short or is about to end and you can guess there's something after the spinner, start spinning smaller. If you want.Ekaru wrote:
Spin small circles of a moderate (280 to 330 RPM) speed when you aren't sure how long the spinner is. You'll get the hang of it eventually.
I meant approach circles *or* when the hit object appears. That should make it clearer, since as both know, as soon as you know when to hit a hit object you should be looking at the next one.
As far as spinners? Oh, so THAT'S how I look at a spinner and know how long it is. >_>; I didn't know what it was so I didn't bother trying to describe it. Thanks for clearing that up. I spin in small circles on really short ones, but do fast, wild spins and then stop if, after looking at the spinner, it 'looked' long enough to speed up and slow down.
All that matters is that you'll pick up these things after playing way too many beatmaps (though I play mostly unranked beatmaps to check them out).
As far as spinners? Oh, so THAT'S how I look at a spinner and know how long it is. >_>; I didn't know what it was so I didn't bother trying to describe it. Thanks for clearing that up. I spin in small circles on really short ones, but do fast, wild spins and then stop if, after looking at the spinner, it 'looked' long enough to speed up and slow down.
All that matters is that you'll pick up these things after playing way too many beatmaps (though I play mostly unranked beatmaps to check them out).
Canucker25 wrote:
Don't put a beat right after you're done spinning! when you're spinning like mad to rack up points it takes a second to find your cursor and 9/10 you miss the bloody beat!
I see nothing wrong with this.
Also stop putting the next beat you're supposed to hit further away then the one you are supposed to hit after it's BS.
I see nothing wrong with this.
Another thing don't cover the beats with the explosion of the previous beat you can't tell if there is one or not!
I see nothing wrong with this.
- Contrary to what the ranking requirements might say, the minimum bonus that Auto can score should actually be at least 5000.
- If you make a spinner shorter than that then consider replacing it with circles or sliders.
- If your slider is shorter than a quarter beat then please replace it with circles.
- Your circles should never overlap other circles unless they're stacked.
- Likewise, sliders should never overlap other sliders or itself under any circumstances.
I don't like beats after spinners either because I have trouble recovering from them, but it's not unfair.
Maps don't have to follow iNiS rules, you know.soradg123 wrote:
- Contrary to what the ranking requirements might say, the minimum bonus that Auto can score should actually be at least 5000.
- If you make a spinner shorter than that then consider replacing it with circles or sliders.
- If your slider is shorter than a quarter beat then please replace it with circles.
- Your circles should never overlap other circles unless they're stacked.
- Likewise, sliders should never overlap other sliders or itself under any circumstances.
What about Glamorous Sky circle sliders :3soradg123 wrote:
- Likewise, sliders should never overlap other sliders or itself under any circumstances.
I don't wanna play the Super Mario that isn't any goomba and koopa at all. indeed.
Forbidding the use of overlapping anything is restricting creativity. Besides, if you look at the standard assortment of maps nowadays, you will see that these methods you find so annoying are commonly used, and among the better maps, correctly used.
Quit complaining and practice, not everything needs to be sightreadable. Just enjoy the game.
Quit complaining and practice, not everything needs to be sightreadable. Just enjoy the game.
I guess that would be an exception :3Gens wrote:
What about Glamorous Sky circle sliders :3
Overlapping sliders aren't all bad. There are a few though that are hard to read.
This pretty much sums it up.strager wrote:
QQ
Go play CTB or something.
i'm offended
If you cannot handle beats right after spinning, you have a long way to go to become a spinning professional, bro.
What are you smokingsoradg123 wrote:
- Contrary to what the ranking requirements might say, the minimum bonus that Auto can score should actually be at least 5000.
- If you make a spinner shorter than that then consider replacing it with circles or sliders.
- If your slider is shorter than a quarter beat then please replace it with circles.
- Your circles should never overlap other circles unless they're stacked.
- Likewise, sliders should never overlap other sliders or itself under any circumstances.
You know, soradg123 has a point about spinners there. They usually suck at under 5000 or so bonus.
usually. Though I believe sometimes they make sense even at 1k bonus.JarJarJacob wrote:
You know, soradg123 has a point about spinners there. They usually suck at under 5000 or so bonus.
There was a good Dinosaur Comics about this. Following a "restrictive" structure can bring out some of the most innovative creativity.Mogsworth wrote:
Forbidding the use of overlapping anything is restricting creativity. Besides, if you look at the standard assortment of maps nowadays, you will see that these methods you find so annoying are commonly used, and among the better maps, correctly used.
Quit complaining and practice, not everything needs to be sightreadable. Just enjoy the game.
I like the added professionality that avoiding overlap provides, but I wouldn't force it on others.
Of course, be prepared for and expect anything in maps.
I agree with the spinner statements mostly, but you can have a note right after the spinner if the spinner is long enough for you to be spinning bonus by the time the note comes along. Spinners should never be shorter than 1 beat--2 at a high tempo.
Intersecting sliders were cool in Deja Vu. 0_o also uses them well.
Canucker25 wrote:
Don't put a beat right after you're done spinning! when you're spinning like mad to rack up points it takes a second to find your cursor and 9/10 you miss the bloody beat!
Also stop putting the next beat you're supposed to hit further away then the one you are supposed to hit after it's BS.
Another thing don't cover the beats with the explosion of the previous beat you can't tell if there is one or not!
Seems like a pro player/mapper.
I loled btw
in b4 attempt to play Hidden and ragequit
Feature Request: ability to sort by mappers with this sort of mind setMetalMario201 wrote:
I like the added professionality that avoiding overlap provides
This. Nowadays I generally try to avoid overlaps and my maps look a lot neater than they did when I started mapping because of it.awp wrote:
Feature Request: ability to sort by mappers with this sort of mind setMetalMario201 wrote:
I like the added professionality that avoiding overlap provides
I've found that neat maps are funner to me than messy maps. Overlaps just seem sloppy and unprofessional to me. Looking at my older maps I'm often going, "...My eyes, my eyes..." half the time. My more recent maps just seem... cleaner somehow.
Of course, overlaps are nice for 1/4 streams.
For normal people.
For normal people.
Of course, it's assumed that 1/4 streams overlap unless it's like two of them or small circles are being used. Or, naturally, gigantic spacing. So there's no need to go out of the way to point out what should be an obvious exception since it should be easy to figure out what we mean.strager wrote:
Of course, overlaps are nice for 1/4 streams.
For normal people.
If you're a normal person.
overlap always looks unprofessional hurdurfMaybe if you abuse it. Then again, I'd like to believe that an easily telegraphed, neat-looking overlap can look just as professional/playable as if you didn't. Abusing overlaps? Okay, that's unprofessional, just like abuse of anything. Sorry if it makes me 'unprofessional' because I think it can look good in certain circumstances. =|
I might as well clarify what I meant.Mogsworth wrote:
overlap always looks unprofessional hurdurfMaybe if you abuse it. Then again, I'd like to believe that an easily telegraphed, neat-looking overlap can look just as professional/playable as if you didn't. Abusing overlaps? Okay, that's unprofessional, just like abuse of anything. Sorry if it makes me 'unprofessional' because I think it can look good in certain circumstances. =|
I was referring specifically to 3 kinds of overlaps:
1. Abuse of overlaps, as in those done specifically to make me want to kill the mapper.
2. Ugly overlaps.
3. Overlaps caused by careless mapping. Most annoying are 1/2 streams that sometimes partially overlap and sometimes don't. If they're slightly overlapping throughout the entire map (except for jump streams) then it's all good, but if it's sometimes done sometimes not, especially throughout the entire stream...
Not paying much attention and making a giant mess of things also qualifies and is the most common case of unprofessional overlaps.
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If an overlap is professional-looking, as is the case with most 1/4 streams, then I'm happy and all is fine. It's when mappers abuse them or get careless that it gets sloppy.
You are a neat mapper, BTW. You map quite cleanly. That's the proper mindset, seriously. However, too many mappers just don't care, and *that* is what was meant I'm pretty sure.
It would help if we had some screenshots for these sorts of things, you know. It's a bit hard to tell exactly what you're talking about as it is.
Instead of whining go play maps you can play, if you want to FC a map this bad.
After you improved, try again, you'll beat the map someday.
Whatever the result may be, complaining won't work: if you don't like a map don't play it or map it yourself.
Hard times for mappers... <.<
Will people be aple to map how they feel like?
Am i the only one who thinks this map is awesome (even if it's broken and not FCable now)?
After you improved, try again, you'll beat the map someday.
Whatever the result may be, complaining won't work: if you don't like a map don't play it or map it yourself.
Hard times for mappers... <.<
Oh god.soradg123 wrote:
- Contrary to what the ranking requirements might say, the minimum bonus that Auto can score should actually be at least 5000.
- If you make a spinner shorter than that then consider replacing it with circles or sliders.
- If your slider is shorter than a quarter beat then please replace it with circles.
- Your circles should never overlap other circles unless they're stacked.
- Likewise, sliders should never overlap other sliders or itself under any circumstances.
Will people be aple to map how they feel like?
Am i the only one who thinks this map is awesome (even if it's broken and not FCable now)?
Yeah, I think soCard N'FoRcE wrote:
Am i the only one who thinks this map is awesome (even if it's broken and not FCable now)?
I liekz it. =>Natteke desu wrote:
Yeah, I think soCard N'FoRcE wrote:
Am i the only one who thinks this map is awesome (even if it's broken and not FCable now)?
Max Forever is a classic. It's also approved. And a classic.
This is a different one, nub.Ekaru wrote:
Max Forever is a classic. It's also approved. And a classic.
...So, the topic starter started the topic and left. since almost everyone disagrees with him, why is there still discussion?
It's not a different one, nub. This is the Max Forever by Rolled which is the one I was thinking of. I thought it was approved but it apparently isn't. Bleh. Still a classic.strager wrote:
This is a different one, nub.Ekaru wrote:
Max Forever is a classic. It's also approved. And a classic.
This thread is now family safe.
Carry on.
Carry on.
Oh I see what you did thar.
Of course, I was focusing on "inattentiveness towards overlap," which is terrifyingly common. So is abuse, eg. patterns that reverse back under themselves.Mogsworth wrote:
overlap always looks unprofessional hurdurfMaybe if you abuse it. Then again, I'd like to believe that an easily telegraphed, neat-looking overlap can look just as professional/playable as if you didn't. Abusing overlaps? Okay, that's unprofessional, just like abuse of anything. Sorry if it makes me 'unprofessional' because I think it can look good in certain circumstances. =|
Also, I usually find the cases where overlap works could have been mapped just as well if not better without overlapping.
If I see any two notes/sliders touching each other (except for some instances of cross overlap sliders) in an "Easy" (and perhaps a "Normal"), which isn't a stacked 1/1, I rage.