Odaril wrote:
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
this is by far the stupidest thing i've heard in AGES
For your argument, this is what we try to avoid. "it happened in other maps". This is not a valuable argument. live in the present , not in the past.SilentWings wrote:
Ive seen it in maps made by tsuka.
For your information, approval is not only because of the score. it can be for difficulty, etc. That's why some things are not just long, but also extra-difficult.Odaril wrote:
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE. Approval maps ARE ranked maps at any point of view, they just don't add anything to the total score. Stop thinking approval maps are allowed to have extra features.
Oh, so you only care about fun maps ? What about map quality ? If a map breaks a rule - or as you put it, a GUIDELINE - it should NOT be considered good.
Sushi wrote:
Oh common, stop thinking that breaking some guidelines means map is shit. Breaking some guidelines DOESN'T MEAN the quality is out. The guidelines are there to give a good idea of mapping. And the quality of a map is directly linked to the provided fun. Stop being so narrow minded, Odaril.
if we're talking about the quality and fun of the map then theres nothing wrong is there...the mapset in general is greatSushi wrote:
before someone say "don't just say these are guidelines" we're talking about quality and fun for the previous post (I hope)
Couuuld be done. but as i've heard that it's only 20kb it could really be ignored.TKiller wrote:
Though I wonder if there is a way to submit the osz without unused files with help from admins, just for the sake of tidiness. Not like anyone's gonna really notice them.
It has been done, I can do it too!No. Okay, listen. Ever played Lily Allen - Smile? Yes? Good. Ever want to play it again? No, of course. It's bad.
It's only guidelines, BRAH, there should be exceptions!Sure there should be. For guidelines. The red lines thing is an actual rule. Because you can't, ever ever ever, use timing changes for slider slow downs or speed ups now. Because peppy said so. There is a reasoning behind this rule thing.
Dude, the mapper hasn't been online in a while! Can't we just ignore that stuff?!The unused files? Sure. They're only 20kb and no one cares about those, even though it would be nice to have them removed.
Also, care to prove why it is not special ?Jarby wrote:
Also, care to prove why your map is special?
It's challenging, smooth, has cool hitsounds and original patterns. But I guess it's just a question of taste.Jarby wrote:
Also, care to prove why your map is special?
..Uhh how is it not special? I'll be honest, your ztrout was special too. Not sarcastic.Jarby wrote:
Also, care to prove why your map is special?
Edit: @Jarby: I'm not saying it's relevant whatsoever, just telling you as an addition..KRZY wrote:
The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Except ztrout is completely irrelevant and didn't break any rules in the first place. I don't see why an exception has to be made for this.xsrsbsns wrote:
..Uhh how is it not special? I'll be honest, your ztrout was special too. Not sarcastic.Jarby wrote:
Also, care to prove why your map is special?KRZY wrote:
The map plays fine (it really does), and personally, the public likes it, and that is what counts. Map quality? A handful of modders do not define map quality; the public defines map quality. I'm not saying the map is of high quality, but I disagree with any claims that the map lakcs quality because it does not follow the guidelines.
Odaril wrote:
Besides, the only thing approval maps are allowed to have that ranked maps don't is the SCORE..
DO NOT KILL MODDERS' SPIRITS"Lunah" "Natteke" "Heatherfield wrote:
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Heatherfield wrote:
unrank? that would be make Jerrysr's Evans' unrank nolonger the "worst unrank ever" that's just awesome rofl
srsly, Jarby is so successful at making "special" maps, many new players down here don't even know about Al-azif or Darri, but they know ZTROUT! sounds COOL, isn't it?
hehNatteke wrote:
It's challenging, smooth, has cool hitsounds and original patterns. But it guess it's just a question of taste.Jarby wrote:
Also, care to prove why your map is special?
Also this map was favourited 20+ times before it was approved so probably there's something about it that makes people like it.
Odaril wrote:
Let's get things right here. There was obviously too many misunderstandings, which lead to this flamewar.
First of all, my mod. I tried to point out errors in the map that justified an unrank, because that one unrankable slider didn't seem to be enough for most people to justify it. Most of the issues I said are indeed unrankable, but unranks were done previously because of these, so I thought pointing some of them out was a good idea. My idea was to justify the unrank to make it happen so that the unrankable stuff could be fixed, then the map get approved again.
I know I worded many of my sentences wrong, and that lead to great misunderstandings and useless flames. Alright, english is NOT my first language (inb4 that's an excuse) and I am not always capable of saying what I mean the way I mean it. And people are not always capable to understand sentences the way they are supposed to be understood. That's what makes a language rich, but it can backfire.
The main argument used by people who wanted to keep the map approved was "these are only guidelines". For the nth time, the fact red lines are to be used only for actual timing changes is a rule. Besides, as I already said, when the only thing you can think of to justify something you did in your map is "it's only a guideline, it can be broken" there is something seriously wrong about what you did. 'They are only guidelines" is not a valid justification.
Then I was insulted in several ways. Ok, fine, that happens from time to time, let it be.
As for the "it was done, I can do too" argument, it's just plainly stupid. What has been done shouldn't always be done again. That's how one learn from their mistakes.
The map was approved while the mapper was away, so that the fixes that could have made the map even better could not be applied ? Why such a rush ? Having the map in pending, in graveyard, or approved doesn't change anything to the fact anyone can play it anytime.
I could apologize. I should, actually. But I need to take responsibility for what I say and think. I know I don't have the right way of saying things, but if everyone was always told what they want to hear, how could they ever improve ? If I ever looked conceited or arrogant, know that I didn't mean to at all, and that I've only been fighting for this to get unranked so that the unrankable issues could be fixed. Unranking it without fixing the issues would just have been a bad idea.
Now if you consider me responsible for all this flamewar, feel free to punish me any way you want, but just stop arguing over spilt milk. What's done is done. We need to be careful and not let this happen again. It's better to make sure this kind of thing won't happen ever again.
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