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RaneFire
I was about to say that Cookiezi's accuracy was statistically 2nd to lewa's, but for consistency's sake he could produce better accuracy than anyone on his first play.

Those who saw Cookiezi play actively 2+ years ago know that he chained #1's like it was nothing, even sticking on DT on maps no one else had DT'd yet... on his first play. rrtyui has done some good stuff yes, but he expends a lot of effort to do so, whereas Cookiezi made it look like a piece of cake.

rrtyui is producing comparatively better scores, but his consistency is the last thing that needs to improve before he finally surpasses him. Right now the scales are only tipping in Cookiezi's favour because we, for some obscure reason, rate consistency on par with the difficulty of the scores set. It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant.

Every sport and e-sport is ultimately a spectator sport. Whether you classify this game as an e-sport or not doesn't matter, the fact is that there is a crowd and consistency is a very peculiar quality in the eyes of the spectator. People are constantly trying to gauge each other by what work you do or what games or sports you play... assessing your intellect, mental and physical performance based on how well you do it (often assessing all 3 from a single category, which is a big mistake, but often happens). To do that we need to gather information that we can actually see. If he rarely makes mistakes, it's very difficult to determine what he can and can't do. That will lead to our assumptions getting the better of us, thinking he can do things which he probably can't do, if only he decided to retry a lot... just because he's very consistent. Another big mistake. Fact is we can be tricked, but not in a malevolent way, and think less of rrtyui just because he decides to retry something, finally giving us the information we need.
Rewben2

RaneFire wrote:

I was about to say that Cookiezi's accuracy was statistically 2nd to lewa's, but for consistency's sake he could produce better accuracy than anyone on his first play.

Those who saw Cookiezi play actively 2+ years ago know that he chained #1's like it was nothing, even sticking on DT on maps no one else had DT'd yet... on his first play. rrtyui has done some good stuff yes, but he expends a lot of effort to do so, whereas Cookiezi made it look like a piece of cake.

rrtyui is producing comparatively better scores, but his consistency is the last thing that needs to improve before he finally surpasses him. Right now the scales are only tipping in Cookiezi's favour because we, for some obscure reason, rate consistency on par with the difficulty of the scores set. It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant.

Every sport and e-sport is ultimately a spectator sport. Whether you classify this game as an e-sport or not doesn't matter, the fact is that there is a crowd and consistency is a very peculiar quality in the eyes of the spectator. People are constantly trying to gauge each other by what work you do or what games or sports you play... assessing your intellect, mental and physical performance based on how well you do it (often assessing all 3 from a single category, which is a big mistake, but often happens). To do that we need to gather information that we can actually see. If he rarely makes mistakes, it's very difficult to determine what he can and can't do. That will lead to our assumptions getting the better of us, thinking he can do things if he decided to retry a lot, which he probably can't... just because he's very consistent. Another big mistake. Fact is we can be tricked, but not in a benevolent way.
I agree entirely.

You explained what I tried to explain about playcount perfectly, "It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant." The thing is, in a situation like this, it's a bit difficult to actually prove Cookiezi's consistency compared to rrtyui. It's something you would observe from watching the person play, which is a bit difficult for a player that's been gone for months...

Your last paragraph brings up an interesting point. Saying something along the lines of "Oh, if rrtyui can set some crazy score in X amount of time, think how crazy the scores would be if Cookiezi spent X amount of time doing it!" is not valid because Cookiezi plays closer to his skill limit most of the time you could say. The "skill limit" (I can't think of a more suitable word, something that describes how well you can play) is what determines that scores you are capable of setting, not your consistency.
RaneFire

Rewben2 wrote:

Your last paragraph brings up an interesting point. Saying something along the lines of "Oh, if rrtyui can set some crazy score in X amount of time, think how crazy the scores would be if Cookiezi spent X amount of time doing it!" is not valid because Cookiezi plays closer to his skill limit most of the time you could say. The "skill limit" (I can't think of a more suitable word, something that describes how well you can play) is what determines that scores you are capable of setting, not your consistency.
Yes, and that is the very definition of consistency. Skill limit is indeed the difference.
Ethelon

Purple wrote:

You joined in 2013 and you're calling me misinformed? Please.
TIL joining earlier gives you access to highly classified documents.
Thank you for enlightening me with your wisdom.

Purple wrote:

How about this: we stop caring about playcount because it is probably the dumbest fucking thing you could do in this game
But let's start caring about join date because it's a good indicator of skill and intelligence.

@Rewben
I was calling him out for being misinformed and inconsistent based on the content of his post not whoever he is (but I'm not actually mad). I was referring to the hypocrisy of insulting someone that had to quit because of medical issues with "but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!" while posting in a manner akin to a tantrum. I assumed he either actually believed cookie quit childishly (misinformed) or wasn't referring to him anymore (topic of comparison)

If that's a problem, then I have no problem ignoring him and dropping it.
It's also probably partially my fault. I'm a fan of sarcastic ambiguity towards anyone I'm not taking seriously. It usually gets people salty pretty quickly.
Purple

Ethelon wrote:

Purple wrote:

You joined in 2013 and you're calling me misinformed? Please.
TIL joining earlier gives you access to highly classified documents.
Thank you for enlightening me with your wisdom.

Purple wrote:

How about this: we stop caring about playcount because it is probably the dumbest fucking thing you could do in this game
But let's start caring about join date because it's a good indicator of skill and intelligence.

@Rewben
I was calling him out for being misinformed and inconsistent based on the content of his post not whoever he is. I was referring to the hypocrisy of insulting someone that had to quit because of medical issues with "but have never quit the game or gotten themselves banned in a childish, whimsical fit. GEE I wonder if that's a coincidence!" while posting in a manner akin to a tantrum. I assumed he either actually believed cookie quit childishly (misinformed) or wasn't referring to him anymore (topic of comparison)

If that's a problem, then I have no problem ignoring him and dropping it.
It's also probably partially my fault. I'm a fan of sarcastic ambiguity towards anyone I'm not taking seriously. It usually gets people salty pretty quickly.
Cookiezi quit before in 2012. You wouldn't know that though because you joined mid 2013

He also acted like an arrogant brat at times, kind of like you with your post, didn't you know? Of course not, because you joined mid 2013 *pat* *pat*


I don't mean to "attack" on Cookiezi, I'm a fan of his replays just like everyone else, but with the thread topic being rrtyui, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact he is leagues ahead of Cookiezi and others in terms of "sportsmanship"

RaneFire wrote:

I was about to say that Cookiezi's accuracy was statistically 2nd to lewa's, but for consistency's sake he could produce better accuracy than anyone on his first play.

Those who saw Cookiezi play actively 2+ years ago know that he chained #1's like it was nothing, even sticking on DT on maps no one else had DT'd yet... on his first play. rrtyui has done some good stuff yes, but he expends a lot of effort to do so, whereas Cookiezi made it look like a piece of cake.

rrtyui is producing comparatively better scores, but his consistency is the last thing that needs to improve before he finally surpasses him. Right now the scales are only tipping in Cookiezi's favour because we, for some obscure reason, rate consistency on par with the difficulty of the scores set. It doesn't matter that playcount as a statistic is irrelevant, because the playcount that we see in the form of endless retries as spectators is actually relevant.

Every sport and e-sport is ultimately a spectator sport. Whether you classify this game as an e-sport or not doesn't matter, the fact is that there is a crowd and consistency is a very peculiar quality in the eyes of the spectator. People are constantly trying to gauge each other by what work you do or what games or sports you play... assessing your intellect, mental and physical performance based on how well you do it (often assessing all 3 from a single category, which is a big mistake, but often happens). To do that we need to gather information that we can actually see. If he rarely makes mistakes, it's very difficult to determine what he can and can't do. That will lead to our assumptions getting the better of us, thinking he can do things which he probably can't do, if only he decided to retry a lot... just because he's very consistent. Another big mistake. Fact is we can be tricked, but not in a malevolent way, and think less of rrtyui just because he decides to retry something, finally giving us the information we need.
Cookiezi was way better than rrtyui back then around the time he got his Revolution Deathsquad HDHR score (I remember he got like 10+ amazing scores in the span of two days in mid april 2013). In fact, he has almost *always* been the best at this game, and having that sort of cognitive belief about oneself does help a lot with consistency, because you're less likely to mess up due to high-combo anxiety (I'm only glossing over this, I don't wanna get too deep into that topic). It doesn't mean that there weren't times where he had to make an effort and retry just like rrtyui, though; Airman HR and FD4D come to mind.

About the spectator thing: I think most people watch the pros play by watching their replays, not by watching them live. Live spectating is more like watching a movie in the making; ultimately the best score is what's most important and what most people care about.

The problem I see with this thread is that some people *still* have the audacity to bring up rrtyui's playcount as the reason for his amazing scores. It really boggles my mind that this argument continues to persist, but I guess some people just can't let go of some old ideas or are just insanely obsessed over Cookiezi. If rrtyui decides to play shotgun senorita DT 2000 times now, and then he FC's it in 2016, does that mean he simply got lucky due to his playcount? Jesus christ people.
Ethelon

Purple wrote:

Cookiezi quit before in 2012. You wouldn't know that though because you joined mid 2013

He also acted like an arrogant brat at times, kind of like you with your post, didn't you know? Of course not, because you joined mid 2013 *pat* *pat*


I don't mean to "attack" on Cookiezi, I'm a fan of his replays just like everyone else, but with the thread topic being rrtyui, I felt it necessary to highlight the fact he is leagues ahead of Cookiezi and others in terms of "sportsmanship"
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Anyone who went looking for information on why he quit would've found that out. (Posted up wrong video earlier.) I already heard it mentioned and discussed in a video (osu! WC?) awhile back, in addition to it being mentioned in past forum topics when people discussed him quitting/banned the second time.

My problem with you was your complaining about a player acting childish and throwing a fit while using the same tone. If you didn't mean to attack him in that way then then I apologize for assuming that you said what you meant.
My other problem with you was with your oozing hatred of considering "trivial stats" and your continued consideration of trivial stats.

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Oh and I've only been active the last 3 months, so I'm newer than you originally thought.
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-Removed my impulse sarcasm and passive aggressive comments. I'll stay civil.-

Don't bother trying to find more dirt. You won't and I won't waste my time (and yours) responding.
Purple

Ethelon wrote:

My gripe was with how you complained about a player acting childish and throwing a fit while using the same tone. If you didn't mean to attack him in that way then apologies for assuming that you said what you meant.

My "tone" was directed at Wishy, who has a tendency to say things that pisses everyone off.

Giving any sort of importance to playcount only leads to players engaging in dishonest behavior like playing offline or creating multis, and his comment about rrtyui getting lucky with his retries is so fallacious that it deserved the harsh tone of my post.
Vuelo Eluko

Purple wrote:

dishonest behavior like playing offline
lol
Purple

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

Purple wrote:

dishonest behavior like playing offline
lol
k

Playing offline and then bragging about playcount is dishonest
Defacer
 
Vuelo Eluko
dragonhuman
Topic Starter
meteor22

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

puu.sh/8UyNY.osr

rrtyui cant do this

Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting

actually

snowwhite did it

with HD
Vuelo Eluko

meteor22 wrote:

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

puu.sh/8UyNY.osr

rrtyui cant do this

Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting

actually

snowwhite did it

with HD
except he didnt
Topic Starter
meteor22
Yea he did not actually FC it. However his replay is way more impressive. His accuracy was waaaaaaaaaaaay better, and he added HD.

DH got 444 pp for his senorita shotgun DT FC

SnowWhite got 460 pp for his senorita shotgun DT HD 2 miss

even pp calculator knows it

SnowWhite is such an underrated player...when he could very well be the best DT player out there.
Keichi-kun
SnowWhite >>>>> DH
Vuelo Eluko

meteor22 wrote:

he did not actually FC it
ok
Rewben2

Bassist Vinyl wrote:

puu.sh/8UyNY.osr

rrtyui cant do this

Edit: in fact, cookiezi cant do it either
interesting
I didn't even look at the puush initally (this is why I'm responding late), but that seems definitely in the realm of possibility for rrtyui considering his hoshizora + wahrheit scores. Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg) which is far off an fc with bad acc, I heard it was also a randomplay? I don't know, dting shotgun senorita seems like a doable score for both rrtyui and cookiezi.

Also, Snowwhites score would definitely imply that he could do it, but he hasn't and that's that. Snowwhite is also a very consistent player and for the reason that RaneFire explained, it's a bit hard to evaluate what a player can and can't do because of this. But because his score is so good (You don't get 99%+ accuracy on a map you can barely play) I'd say he could do it.
GoldenWolf

Rewben2 wrote:

Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg)
i quit
Sophia
This thread
/facepalm
Rewben2

GoldenWolf wrote:

Rewben2 wrote:

Although cookiezi has a terrible dt play on that (http://puu.sh/8Wfvu.jpg)
i quit
Well relative to a 99% score with HD and an fc, lol.

I mean, if you did set a score like that it would be a nice score, but if we're talking about how he should be fc'ing it then it's quite terrible in comparison
Defacer
 
Rewben2

Defacer wrote:

but who cares, continue your funny discussions
Cool, I rush into churches and scream "I don't care about what is being discussed here." I also go into subforums for genres I'm not interested in and spam "Who even cares, continue your funny discussions."

No one cares what you think, if people want to discuss top players then they can, stop shitposting
Akali
Balance. Sharpness. Perfection. Rrtyui is like katana and has it all.

Vuelo Eluko

Akali wrote:

Balance. Sharpness. Perfection. Rrtyui is like katana and has it all.

hey dats me
LexiaLovesU

Keichi-kun wrote:

nooblet wrote:

Let's not forget Niko who's still undefeated on Atama, Creator, and a billion other songs with DT.
rrtyui can HR,FC atama, creator, kokou no sousei etc, he's just lazy as ****
That was sooooooo rude one if rrtyui was lazy than he wouldnt retry things over 1000+ times :/ thats was really rude
Blueprint
In that case I commend rrytui's patience a lot more than his skill lol
Vuelo Eluko

Wishy wrote:

He wasn't that aggressive to rrtyui tho, he just said he wasn't that amazing to him and that all he did was try hard a lot for scores that weren't that hard anyways (using himself as a reference).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzwPMFv ... u.be&t=34s
Pettanko
So who's the best legit Korean player at the moment? Dungeon?
Vuelo Eluko

Pettanko wrote:

So who's the only legit Korean player at the moment? Dungeon?
fixed and yes
Rewben2

Pettanko wrote:

So who's the best legit Korean player at the moment? Dungeon?
I can also see someone arguing that Dungeon is better because he is more rounded (he has good hdhr scores as well as dt scores) while sayo pretty much only has dt scores. I don't know though.
hehe

Rewben2 wrote:

Pettanko wrote:

So who's the best legit Korean player at the moment? Dungeon?
Depends if sayo (dragonhuman) is a cheater. I can also see someone arguing that Dungeon is better because he is more rounded (he has good hdhr scores as well as dt scores) while sayo pretty much only has dt scores. I don't know though.
as much as I idolise sayo I must say the sudden boost in performance looks fishy. however what I think is that sayo is just really good at farming PP. I mean most of his scores are just HDDTs that give buttloads of PP. I could even bring up snowwhite, whose trust in you and shotgun senorita DT are both insane in their own right.
Blueprint
I believe there scores to them are just like us retrying a song multiple times to fc because of random mistakes you make through a song, the general example is I have tons of accuracy scores with 1 miss or 2 or 3, I think shotgun dt isn't even hard for them in other words.
Vuelo Eluko

Blueprint wrote:

I believe there scores to them are just like us retrying a song multiple times to fc because of random mistakes you make through a song, the general example is I have tons of accuracy scores with 1 miss or 2 or 3, I think shotgun dt isn't even hard for them in other words.
it probably is because it is immensely easy to fail shotgun senorita dt because of the high drain means you can fail quick + the spinner at the end..

its definitely not something they can pass cold before warming up, so "isn't even hard" probably doesnt work
iWhorse

Viccu wrote:


i can't see rrtyui here

except carnival is easier than all of those scores
Mathsma
I am surprised that this thread isn't locked.
TheVileOne
It doesn't need to be locked, but all this cheating discussion has to stop. Wastelanding related posts.
Akio
I think rrtyui now is reading all this posts and laughing so hard. :roll:
laref
I'm just sitting here waiting for the upcoming threads about dragonhuman passing rrtyui. A shitstorm is coming :D
Rewben2

ntaig wrote:

I'm just sitting here waiting for the upcoming threads about dragonhuman passing rrtyui. A shitstorm is coming :D
It's gonna happen sooner or later, everyone will still say rrtyui is better because he's more rounded opposed to sayo just being a dt player though.
Topic Starter
meteor22
rrtyui is trying to beat some of DH's scores right now,

I think he has realised that DH has become a real threat for his #1st place. If he does not do anything about it, it is only a matter of days before DH takes his spot of leader.



I don't know who even compared dungeon to DH, there is a huge gap in terms of skill between the two, I think its pretty clear now.

And people who accuse DH of cheating must be either trolling (and being very immature) or jealous or more probably just stupid. At this point its baseless defamation, but let's not talk about it here.
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