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Changing the needed BATs to approve a map.

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Andrea
Until now, we always needed 3 BATs to approve a mapset, but nowadays as we can see the rules changed quite a lot.

I don't think 3 BATs are necessary anymore, but 2 BATs are just fine, especially because the approval mapsets drain time changed just lately as you can see here.

Approved maps category was used before for crazy and super challenging maps, that's why it needed more than 2 BATs, to avoid any kind of mistakes, but nowadays approved category is used mostly for mapset that just has a long drain time (above 5 minutes).

Also, since Approval mapsets are usually 1 difficulty, while Ranked mapsets are usually many difficulties, it's easier to make less mistakes on the Approval mapsets actually rather than the Ranked mapsets.

Even the normal Ranked maps nowadays has lots of crazy difficulties and still needs 2 BATs anyways, so this doesn't make sense anymore at this point.

That said, I'd suggest to change the necessary BATs to approve a map from 3 to 2, like the normal Ranked mapsets.

Any opinion would be appreciated.
KinkiN
i think from the beginning we only need 2 BATs? bubble and rank

anyways i think 2 BATs is enough
Natsu
I agree with this, since in the time I have of modding, I always tend to find more issues in full spread mapsets than in apps. That's why I don't see the need of 3 BATs for approval category.
Fycho
yea, since there is qualified system now, so I agree this, 2 BATs are enough /.\
but, is a relax with 5 min draining time the same as a crazy map with more than 10 min?
Atrue
Agree! Nowadays apps are differed from ranked maps in length but not difficulty. So much fewer chances to make mistakes as before.
YoshinoSakura

Fycho wrote:

yea, since there is qualified system now, so I agree this, 2 BATs are enough /.\
kamisamaaa
Agree!find 3 bats is really hard. and now app map is really same as normal map
Ephemeral
an incoming surge addition of BAT should help address the issue of finding some
Sonnyc
I think it's a good idea, however I doubt if 2 will be enough for 10+ minute maps. True it will be inefficient to need 3 BATs for a 5 min approve aiming map, but 3 might be needed for "real" marathon maps.
Atrue

Sonnyc wrote:

I think it's a good idea, however I doubt if 2 will be enough for 10+ minute maps. True it will be inefficient to need 3 BATs for a 5 min approve aiming map, but 3 might be needed for "real" marathon maps.
Yes, indeed. For marathons we maybe need more BATs to approve it.
Topic Starter
Andrea
I would say that we need 3 BATs for 8 minutes or longer songs, but if the songs are around 5~8 minutes 2 BATs should be fine imo.
captin1

Andrea wrote:

I would say that we need 3 BATs for 8 minutes or longer songs, but if the songs are around 5~8 minutes 2 BATs should be fine imo.
I agree with this, longer songs need more checking on small details and consistency than songs that are barely over the approval number, so makes sense
dkun
I understand where you're coming from, but a secondary check (b2) never hurts. If you can find two, you can find a third.
Frostmourne
I some sort of agree with this. Though a song with a longer length could possibly have dodgy timings as time goes on. The bpm may fluctuate and is out of track at times so that's why having 3 BATs can be much more safe.
Stefan
As some said I think it depends on the time the beatmap got. I somehow feel that you automatically look for more BAT members if the map is like 20 minutes long?
Kayano
I totally support this, but I do think we need 3 BATs to approved something like 5mins*4+diffs (like this) or 10+mins*1diff.
Also, I considered that we need 3 BATs in a set which has 2 or more modes, so it will be at least 4 BATs to check this map (a icon, 2 bubbles and a rank). If each mode get 2 BATs to check, I think it will be much better to keep the quality of this kind of approved maps
Garven
Usually once you find one BAT, the rest will come with the bubbled list. The ones in the bubbled list that sit forever tend to be the fairly low/questionable quality maps anyway.

I'd prefer to be conservative in this matter, since I still see approval tending to lean towards harder maps anyway which would benefit from more eyes.
Rakuen
Agree! 2 BAT! My map keep getting rebubbled =_=
Ephemeral

Garven wrote:

I'd prefer to be conservative in this matter, since I still see approval tending to lean towards harder maps anyway which would benefit from more eyes.
This mirrors my feelings on the matter. I think things are fine as they are at the moment, but we'll keep an eye on the average time it takes to approve a map and work from there.

Marking this as pending observation for now.
dkun
I've discussed this with Andrea earlier today. We've agreed that we'd look at future approved maps to see if mappers had any issue for getting their map approved, and we'd work off that when/if the time comes.

But I also agree with a more conservative approach in this. Don't fix something that isn't broken, right?
eldnl
I know this has nothing to do here but, if you're experienced enough in mapping, your maps will not have many errors and in my opinion, a single bat is more than enough for these cases, this may fix the slow ranking process :<
Frostmourne

eldnl wrote:

I know this has nothing to do here but, if you're experienced enough in mapping, your maps will not have many errors and in my opinion, a single bat is more than enough for these cases, this may fix the slow ranking process :<
Not that everyone is experienced.....
So you mean only 1 BAT is enough for a particular experienced mappers? and non-experienced mappers have to take 2 BATs? (1BAT will never be enough for newbies)

seriously biased.
Ephemeral
Actually, on second thought, denying this. We'll revisit it should the approval time become too long - which generally is not the case given the attention these maps receive from the community at large.
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