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I was considering Woobiezi if I ever make it into top 100Pettanko wrote:
OP please change your name to WeedowizNoobsicle wrote:
grats on #420 in US!
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Sounds like a planWoobowiz wrote:
I was considering Woobiezi if I ever make it into top 100Pettanko wrote:
OP please change your name to Weedowiz
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Only 1 name change allowed unless you have a good reasonDm1321 wrote:
Weedowiz for now
Woobiezi for top 10
Just be yourself and become the one who outachieved Cookiezi.
Don't be a simple fanboy who somehow made it to the top.
Don't be a simple fanboy who somehow made it to the top.
you don't understand how important this isRewben2 wrote:
Only 1 name change allowed unless you have a good reasonDm1321 wrote:
Weedowiz for now
Woobiezi for top 10
If you want to learn AR 10, you should edit maps to have AR 7 CS 5 OD 10 and play thosexasuma wrote:
Interesting.. OD is bad to me
Oh, and if you want to learn ar10, play at 10.33 for 20 minutes each day, and immediately after play ar10.
Just do it. Even if you feel like an idiot.
I thought you were aiming for Cookiezi tier? I think you should at least get to top 5 first, and then you'll be close.Woobowiz wrote:
I was considering Woobiezi if I ever make it into top 100 o_o;
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I am, I just figured hitting top 100 (basically 6k pp) would be a nice checkpoiint to celebrate at.Kaeru wrote:
I thought you were aiming for Cookiezi tier? I think you should at least get to top 5 first, and then you'll be close.Woobowiz wrote:
I was considering Woobiezi if I ever make it into top 100 o_o;
I was just teasing. Top 100 is a really huge accomplishment. Sometimes I really feel like I will never make it there, yet I try so hard. I'm having so much trouble even getting to top 500.
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As far as I know, it really is just all a mental thing.Kaeru wrote:
I was just teasing. Top 100 is a really huge accomplishment. Sometimes I really feel like I will never make it there, yet I try so hard. I'm having so much trouble even getting to top 500.
If you at one point did something you regarded as "a miracle play" or something of the sort, then you know fully what you're capable of.
What I'm struggling every day is to take anxiety and nervousness by the balls and FC the maps I play.
It's become apparent in my recent videos with heart rate that it's 10% physical limitations and 90% mental limitations that are preventing me from the big pp plays.
If only I had some sort of medication for that sort of mental issue that's making me choke on FC's, but then that might go into the realm of unfair advantage because of drugs
(FC's are nowhere near as mentally damaging as the regret I have for not having a higher accuracy on my FC's....it just clings to the back of my head knowing some of my plays are worth over 180pp if I had better accuracy)
EDIT : The biggest offender to what I mean is probably what happened today. After I hit 3k pp I just casually woke up and played for a bit and suddenly popped out a 163 pp play (could have been 200+ pp if I SSed or something....). It's still a mystery on why I suddenly got that play, but the best explanation was that it was mental.
Why do you keep playing maps that you can FC and trying to get pp instead of playing maps you can barely pass (or maybe can't pass at all) but will improve rapidly with? It seems like if you're planning to ever surpass Cookiezi, that'd be the way to go.
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Who says I don't. o-OKyou-kun wrote:
Why do you keep playing maps that you can FC and trying to get pp instead of playing maps you can barely pass (or maybe can't pass at all) but will improve rapidly with? It seems like if you're planning to ever surpass Cookiezi, that'd be the way to go.
Edit : I do both
(^^;)Woobowiz wrote:
(FC's are nowhere near as mentally damaging as the regret I have for not having a higher accuracy on my FC's....it just clings to the back of my head knowing some of my plays are worth over 180pp if I had better accuracy)
The thing is that you don't seem to be trying to push your pp score boundaries that much right now. You say that you can't get 200pp, but you can at least try to top your best pp score right now! Something 180pp+ maybe (tbh if you just increased the accuracy of some of your plays you'd probably get 180pp lol)Woobowiz wrote:
Who says I don't. o-OKyou-kun wrote:
Why do you keep playing maps that you can FC and trying to get pp instead of playing maps you can barely pass (or maybe can't pass at all) but will improve rapidly with? It seems like if you're planning to ever surpass Cookiezi, that'd be the way to go.
Edit : I do both
More than 100% sure you can get a lot of 180pp scores without that much effort right now.
idk if you've heard of osu!trainer, but it's in the development section and can help you find some good songs for good pp.
yea i'm a pretty big hypocrite but this game is too hard so gg i am forever doomed to nooblordggville
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You're right on the aspect that I'm not pushing my pp boundaries. Last month, I considered a 120~ pp play was satisfactory. Today my standards have only risen to 140 pp plays as satisfactory. But clearly 150 pp is realistic and 160 plays are becoming common. 170 pp is definitely an option if I had better accuracy.winber1 wrote:
The thing is that you don't seem to be trying to push your pp score boundaries right now. You say that you can't get 200pp, but you can at least try to top your best pp score right now! Something 180pp+ maybe (tbh if you just increased the accuracy of some of your plays you'd probably get 180pp lol)
More than 100% sure you can get a lot of 180pp scores without that much effort right now.
idk if you've heard of osu!trainer, but it's in the development section and can help you find some good songs for good pp.
yea i'm a pretty big hypocrite but this game is too hard so gg i am forever doomed to nooblordggville
But to realistically raise my pp boundaries, I need to train more and improve my accuracy which at the moment is by training with Hard Rock and OD 10....and I'm absolutely miserable when I play with Hard Rock (HP Drain is NOT fair, and I don't want to use No-Fail).
Rant aside, I'm indeed working to find a few maps that yield that 160+ pp (I could re-FC my current maps for higher accuracy....but again....need training)
Also, osu!Trainer is a bit too brute force for my tastes and it just plagues my mind with mental walls. "If I get this accuracy on this song, I'll get that much pp" running through my mind constantly just makes me miss way too often.
to be clear, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using nofail that way. Cookiezi used to use it too. He used it during his earlier runs of Freedom Dive even.Woobowiz wrote:
(HP Drain is NOT fair, and I don't want to use No-Fail).
Also you aren't getting anywhere harping on about PP this PP that every post. It's a completely secondary thing and will go up naturally as you improve. you should be aiming to get good fast and that means less fcs and more struggles.
maybe you are doing that already, but every new post is about your PP and latest FCs, i havent seen anything like "Just did pluto [challenge] and passed guys." or "i got my unstable rate down to X and now i can get Y accuracy on OD10" these are just examples but you know what i mean.
juuuuust trying to help
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Passing hard maps is just training thoughBassist Vinyl wrote:
to be clear, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using nofail that way. Cookiezi used to use it too. He used it during his earlier runs of Freedom Dive even.Woobowiz wrote:
(HP Drain is NOT fair, and I don't want to use No-Fail).
Also you aren't getting anywhere harping on about PP this PP that every post. It's a completely secondary thing and will go up naturally as you improve. you should be aiming to get good fast and that means less fcs and more struggles.
maybe you are doing that already, but every new post is about your PP and latest FCs, i havent seen anything like "Just did pluto [challenge] and passed guys." or "i got my unstable rate down to X and now i can get Y accuracy on OD10" these are just examples but you know what i mean.
I can't even properly identify which clears should be considered "impressive" in that matter.But you are correct when you say that I'm getting a bit too into the details of pp. (I got caught up with it because I wanted 3k real bad).
impressive clear is anything you absolutely struggled to pass, obviously. think same way as FC's. i dont know what that would be for you so i just threw pluto in there because thats always impressive to clear. if you pass eighto or something definitely post it here.
make sure you're diverse enough in your map archetypes too, cookiezi nearly SS'd this one for example.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13244
it's going to be too easy for you to end up more like dragonhuman tier or lewa tier or something if you don't keep everything up to par at once... not that there's anything wrong with that but yeah...not cookie
also my osu has been running for 8 hours u jelly
make sure you're diverse enough in your map archetypes too, cookiezi nearly SS'd this one for example.
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/13244
it's going to be too easy for you to end up more like dragonhuman tier or lewa tier or something if you don't keep everything up to par at once... not that there's anything wrong with that but yeah...not cookie
also my osu has been running for 8 hours u jelly
go pass my w1 maps. i guess that's quite impressive. for each one you pass you get 25 winber dollars
conversion to us dollars is confidential information
conversion to us dollars is confidential information
Uhm... no. You learn to read AR10 by playing AR10.Kyou-kun wrote:
If you want to learn AR 10, you should edit maps to have AR 7 CS 5 OD 10 and play those
K E N N
Performance points are a trap. Trust me. Every single time you decide to spam a song until you can FC it, you're not doing yourself a favour. You're completely wasting valuable training time. Don't get addicted to rank. I fell into this trap and I've been doing pretty much nothing but trying to get high PP scores, and it's really messing with my head because I often feel like I'm more superior than I really am.
The true way to do it is to gain PP without even trying. How do you accomplish this? Simple.. you spend your time training on very difficult maps instead of working on your ranking, and then you set high scores casually without even thinking about it. Decide what the absolute highest star difficulty is that you can always full combo/sight read in under 10 tries, and make a note of it. Basically all you want to do is raise that number, meaning you want to get to a level where songs that you find difficult now are easy. Then, once you've achieved that, you'll set new PP scores without having to even set foot in solo. The songs you will find to be "fun/easy/always FC" level in the future are songs that you're farming now heavily for PP.
Play harder songs. Don't fall into the same trap I did where you play songs at your level and slightly above your level. Play songs that are completely out of your league. Dive into new maps you've never seen before. Crank up the OD. Work on your accuracy and pass a song that you could never dream of passing before. Set goals for yourself, and dream big. Even stuff like "pass Freedom Dive" or "full combo on Mythologia's End" are not unrealistic goals as long you push yourself.
Good luck.
The true way to do it is to gain PP without even trying. How do you accomplish this? Simple.. you spend your time training on very difficult maps instead of working on your ranking, and then you set high scores casually without even thinking about it. Decide what the absolute highest star difficulty is that you can always full combo/sight read in under 10 tries, and make a note of it. Basically all you want to do is raise that number, meaning you want to get to a level where songs that you find difficult now are easy. Then, once you've achieved that, you'll set new PP scores without having to even set foot in solo. The songs you will find to be "fun/easy/always FC" level in the future are songs that you're farming now heavily for PP.
Play harder songs. Don't fall into the same trap I did where you play songs at your level and slightly above your level. Play songs that are completely out of your league. Dive into new maps you've never seen before. Crank up the OD. Work on your accuracy and pass a song that you could never dream of passing before. Set goals for yourself, and dream big. Even stuff like "pass Freedom Dive" or "full combo on Mythologia's End" are not unrealistic goals as long you push yourself.
Good luck.
All you're doing is encouraging reckless plays.Kaeru wrote:
Performance points are a trap. Trust me. Every single time you decide to spam a song until you can FC it, you're not doing yourself a favour. You're completely wasting valuable training time. Don't get addicted to rank. I fell into this trap and I've been doing pretty much nothing but trying to get high PP scores, and it's really messing with my head because I often feel like I'm more superior than I really am.
The true way to do it is to gain PP without even trying. How do you accomplish this? Simple.. you spend your time training on very difficult maps instead of working on your ranking, and then you set high scores casually without even thinking about it. Decide what the absolute highest star difficulty is that you can always full combo/sight read in under 10 tries, and make a note of it. Basically all you want to do is raise that number, meaning you want to get to a level where songs that you find difficult now are easy. Then, once you've achieved that, you'll set new PP scores without having to even set foot in solo. The songs you will find to be "fun/easy/always FC" level in the future are songs that you're farming now heavily for PP.
Play harder songs. Don't fall into the same trap I did where you play songs at your level and slightly above your level. Play songs that are completely out of your league. Dive into new maps you've never seen before. Crank up the OD. Work on your accuracy and pass a song that you could never dream of passing before. Set goals for yourself, and dream big. Even stuff like "pass Freedom Dive" or "full combo on Mythologia's End" are not unrealistic goals as long you push yourself.
Good luck.
You can't just "play songs that are completely out of your league", you need to build a foundation before you can reach there. Simply playing hard songs will skip nearly all the important aspects you learn early in the game and detrimental to your skill in the future.
By replaying maps (obviously to an extent) you build consistency as long as the map is challenging enough, as well as refining skills such as aim and muscle memory.
The pp gain is also an ego and morality boost. Who would want to practice for a month and not have anything to show for it, or no indicator that you've improved? By gaining that pp, you feel some sense of pride and become more enthusiastic and motivated to practice more as the results are visually appearing and appealing.
By playing lowar you are basically building up a base for higher AR's. You're getting used easier to high AR when you practiced LowAR before.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
Uhm... no. You learn to read AR10 by playing AR10.Kyou-kun wrote:
If you want to learn AR 10, you should edit maps to have AR 7 CS 5 OD 10 and play those
OP should learn the basics before going into the hard stuff. For myself, I skipped the basics and I'm pretty much stuck at everything what requires reading.
This is true, but there is a catch. Playing osu! is essentially a really huge repertoire of actions. Yes, playing a wide variety of maps is the way to go to learn all of these simultaneously, but you need to practice through repetition at some point. Refining is an important process.buny wrote:
By replaying maps (obviously to an extent) you build consistency as long as the map is challenging enough, as well as refining skills such as aim and muscle memory.
As long as you're sight-reading, refining takes place to a much lesser extent. You'll be relying mostly on raw skill that you already have, or trying to familiarize yourself with something new, trying not to build habits. Refining is a process that relies on altering what you already know, to improve it. This usually applies to precision/accuracy.
The catch is only a catch if you neglect other aspects, or train something you actually can't yet (still not familiar), thus improperly. This happens to new players a lot, who grind the same map over and over until they can do it, and then move onto something different and fail abysmally. However, if you're interested in pushing out every ounce of potential you have, repetition is necessary at some point.
suit yourselfNarrillNezzurh wrote:
Uhm... no. You learn to read AR10 by playing AR10.
like watbuny wrote:
Simply playing hard songs will skip nearly all the important aspects you learn early in the game and detrimental to your skill in the future.
Couldn't agree more, I've seen many friends of mine stuck on the same skill level for month only DTing AR8 stuffs. This is their easiest way to grind the PP h/e in therms of raw skill I came back to them extremly fast by playing basically everything that pops when I hit the magical F2 button (althought I'm not as fast yet).Kaeru wrote:
Performance points are a trap. Trust me. Every single time you decide to spam a song until you can FC it, you're not doing yourself a favour. You're completely wasting valuable training time. Don't get addicted to rank. I fell into this trap and I've been doing pretty much nothing but trying to get high PP scores, and it's really messing with my head because I often feel like I'm more superior than I really am.
The true way to do it is to gain PP without even trying. How do you accomplish this? Simple.. you spend your time training on very difficult maps instead of working on your ranking, and then you set high scores casually without even thinking about it. Decide what the absolute highest star difficulty is that you can always full combo/sight read in under 10 tries, and make a note of it. Basically all you want to do is raise that number, meaning you want to get to a level where songs that you find difficult now are easy. Then, once you've achieved that, you'll set new PP scores without having to even set foot in solo. The songs you will find to be "fun/easy/always FC" level in the future are songs that you're farming now heavily for PP.
Play harder songs. Don't fall into the same trap I did where you play songs at your level and slightly above your level. Play songs that are completely out of your league. Dive into new maps you've never seen before. Crank up the OD. Work on your accuracy and pass a song that you could never dream of passing before. Set goals for yourself, and dream big. Even stuff like "pass Freedom Dive" or "full combo on Mythologia's End" are not unrealistic goals as long you push yourself.
Good luck.
I believe PP grinding is good to a certain extent where you can still progress. But basically playing 1/2 days only prac maps (patterns, streams, jumps, squares) with/without mods is for me the best way to prac this game.
Anyway good luck to you, your road is interesting enough!
to be honest, you don't even have to post videos of your fc-ing maps. posting videos of you passing (or getting a good grade on) a hard map still shows good progress to us and is just as entertaining as you showing us fc's
jussayin'
jussayin'
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Sounds like it could make some more use of stream highlights I guess.winber1 wrote:
to be honest, you don't even have to post videos of your fc-ing maps. posting videos of you passing (or getting a good grade on) a hard map still shows good progress to us and is just as entertaining as you showing us fc's
jussayin'
I'll consider it, if I'm not too tired from work today I'll try to train live today.
like actually learning how to read maps properly and not just reacting to the circles that show up on the screenKyou-kun wrote:
suit yourselfNarrillNezzurh wrote:
Uhm... no. You learn to read AR10 by playing AR10.like watbuny wrote:
Simply playing hard songs will skip nearly all the important aspects you learn early in the game and detrimental to your skill in the future.
like not mashing streamsPettanko wrote:
like actually learning how to read maps properly and not just reacting to the circles that show up on the screenKyou-kun wrote:
like wat
I'm not really sure what you're talking about. You don't need memorization skills to play this game. In fact, learning how to memorize maps is a very bad habit that shouldn't be done by anyone. Some of my 230ish pp scores are sight reads. That's right, I mean I played the map only once. Why should you practice memorization when you can practice sight reading? The more new maps you play, the better your sight reading abilities will get. Playing the same map over and over isn't nearly as effective.buny wrote:
All you're doing is encouraging reckless plays.
You can't just "play songs that are completely out of your league", you need to build a foundation before you can reach there. Simply playing hard songs will skip nearly all the important aspects you learn early in the game and detrimental to your skill in the future.
By replaying maps (obviously to an extent) you build consistency as long as the map is challenging enough, as well as refining skills such as aim and muscle memory.
The pp gain is also an ego and morality boost. Who would want to practice for a month and not have anything to show for it, or no indicator that you've improved? By gaining that pp, you feel some sense of pride and become more enthusiastic and motivated to practice more as the results are visually appearing and appealing.
Performance points are an ego and morality boost.. but that's why they're a trap. The best people in the world at something are not the people who got praised for their work. If anything, ego and morality boosts hinder your progress in the long term. Why did Muten Rōshi make sure that Goku wouldn't win the Budokai in Dragon Ball? Because he wanted to give him the exact opposite of a morale boost so that he can continue to train just as hard. Motivation to practice comes from defeat. Feedback from your scores improving is enough to keep you going.. you don't need a registered account to be the best at this game, let alone a good ranking.
The first day I got this game I downloaded a pack of songs which all happened to be insane difficulties. I didn't know how difficult they were because the names of the difficulties weren't anything I was used to (they weren't even labeled as insane). Disregarding the five stars in the menu screen, I decided to just jump straight from the tutorial to those songs and played them over and over again. As a result, I was playing insanes much faster than any of my friends, and I was reading them correctly. I don't see why this logic doesn't apply to any skill level. If you're a 5 star player and you play 5 star songs, you're not going to improve as quickly as you would if you played 7 star songs. I know this from over a year of experience.
It's been proven that if you want to learn a new language, the best thing you can do is absolutely submerge yourself in it. You don't want to practice only phrases that you already know over and over again. No, you want to talk to people who are native in the language and who speak all of it fluently, even if you have no clue what they're saying. You eventually will pick it up, and all those basic skills you didn't learn earlier will seem even easier. It will take much longer to learn a language if you only talk to someone who knows maybe a quarter of the language, so why would you ever do this (I'm referring to playing easier maps here)? The same logic applies to this game if you can just imagine that osu! is a language. Jumping into the harder maps may seem "reckless" and a bad idea at first (just like moving to Japan to learn Japanese) but it is in fact the best way to learn.
You don't need to play easy maps to achieve this. The more you play difficult songs, the faster you will improve your aim/speed. The more aim and speed you have, the easier it will become to read a map. Just because you can't read it at first doesn't mean the songs you are playing are too hard. You just need to have patience. This goes back to my example of my first osu! experience. Sure, I could have been playing easy and normal difficulties and following them properly, but instead I decided to work on my aim/speed. In the long run, it paid off a lot more as after that I could sightread any easy/normal map. If he plays songs that are harder than what he's doing now, he'll be able to sightread the songs he finds difficult now.. just like how I could sightread easy and normal maps after playing regular insanes.Pettanko wrote:
like actually learning how to read maps properly and not just reacting to the circles that show up on the screen
Totally ran out of motivation to play but I keep checking this thread... Get top 1k woobowiz!1
So because something worked for you, it should work for everyone else?Kaeru wrote:
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To be fair, I remember Jakachan saying something similar to this: Going straight into the deep-end with NoFail on insanes.
The problem is, both of you have experience playing a musical instrument. That's right, rhythm is the hardest thing to learn. But you probably don't understand why that is or even what I mean by that, because you had the ability to discern it before you even started this game. It's impossible for you to understand the difficulty of it. After all, it comes naturally to you, considering you said you downloaded insane difficulties and improved many times faster than your friends while reading them correctly - this is not the case for many people who develop mashing habits.
Without prior musical experience, the first thing you need to start developing is your sense of rhythm. That's why playing maps at or slightly above your level is encouraged, not because speed-reading and finger-speed "is not" important, but because rhythm is many times more important and builds the foundation for those things you are so adamantly encouraging.
I'm not saying that your method is incorrect, but a lot of people actually need to start with the basics... baby steps.
jumping into insanes also gets you bad accuracy, as well as the possibility of other bad habits. Climbing up more slowly allows one to focus more on accuracy as well, rather than solely hitting the notes.
Slowly working your way up also helps you develop consistency in your plays, meaning you won't have random misses. Musical or not, submerging yourself in insane difficulties is more a pseudo-improvement method. Often time people look more at the speed and the spacing of the notes, but other non-visible skills as one's accuracy and consistency play a big role in one's ability to play this game well. I would say playing maps that you don't have to frantically mash would help you increase as an overall player faster, whereas submerging yourself would train a more unique set of skills.
Slowly working your way up also helps you develop consistency in your plays, meaning you won't have random misses. Musical or not, submerging yourself in insane difficulties is more a pseudo-improvement method. Often time people look more at the speed and the spacing of the notes, but other non-visible skills as one's accuracy and consistency play a big role in one's ability to play this game well. I would say playing maps that you don't have to frantically mash would help you increase as an overall player faster, whereas submerging yourself would train a more unique set of skills.
that was poetic Kaeru *tear*