This game can end really fast because of the tilt potential of judas and saulus.
Gonna go sleep.
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mafia is unaware of mafia-ally's identities.
Should he be?
Should he be?
imo judas should just join the mafia team after conversionNyquill wrote:
mafia is unaware of mafia-ally's identities.
Should he be?
but idk if mafia should be aware of saulus' identity or not
Both should be hidden. Making Judus join the mafia member just makes the strongman kill riskless. Judas being known means he just gets stomped the moment his revive gets used.
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Lol I think this is another math game of mafia.
/in because why not
/in because why not
Hey I have to show that we are one and the same.Raging Bull wrote:
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Time to make a return, I guess. /in
you werent even out for that long, but wb i guess? 
the problem of this setup as it is now is that everybody has the same amount of information in every phase of the game, and flips don't give any information at all - basically it could perfectly be noreveal and nothing would change
these are 2 things i've thought of so far:
- Judas joins mafiateam on conversion and town has one more self-reviver
- People are notified if their revive gets popped and mafia knows saulus' identity
these are 2 things i've thought of so far:
- Judas joins mafiateam on conversion and town has one more self-reviver
- People are notified if their revive gets popped and mafia knows saulus' identity
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Anyone else have any input on this? I agree the gamestate is never concealed, i'm just wondering how much of a problem people see this as.
Mafia knowing Saulus' identity is bad. All that does is make him die the next night that he's popped. It doesn't really help mafia at all otherwise outside of LyLo. It's nowhere near enough to balance town having self-notifications about revive.
Judas joining mafia team on conversion just trivializes mafia's strategy this game. There's merit in killing lynchees to reduce playercount as well as popping more revives at night, but Judas-hunting will basically mean doing the latter until it pops, then doing the former as much as possible. It lowers the strategy in the night game without a whole lot of extra benefit.
If information is the problem, consider the following:
1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.
etc.
Judas joining mafia team on conversion just trivializes mafia's strategy this game. There's merit in killing lynchees to reduce playercount as well as popping more revives at night, but Judas-hunting will basically mean doing the latter until it pops, then doing the former as much as possible. It lowers the strategy in the night game without a whole lot of extra benefit.
If information is the problem, consider the following:
1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.
etc.
1. cop is a bad idea imo, a cop requires a mafia role who can cc it and who's known by the strongmanCalignoBot wrote:
1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.
2. it's almost useless if it's only 1 shot
3. a Saulus who knows the identity of the mafia team isn't that wise
4. this one could be ok, but still pretty useless
the major issues of this setup in this moment are:
1. mafia not knowing the identity of any of his allies
2. judas being a frustrating role because he doesn't know the identity of the mafia; his play after he gets popped is hoping that the mafia doesn't get lynched before 4p
3. town not getting any information at all at any stage of the game
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1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.
1. This is why I recommended it being increased to 9p to account for a second mafia.Sephibro wrote:
1. cop is a bad idea imo, a cop requires a mafia role who can cc it and who's known by the strongman
2. it's almost useless if it's only 1 shot
3. a Saulus who knows the identity of the mafia team isn't that wise
4. this one could be ok, but still pretty useless
2. Maximum I would suggest is 2-shot if it's included. Allowing it any more than that and they might as well just be notified when either flip.
3. ...You didn't fully read what I said. I said if he was correct, he joins the mafia team and the revive doesn't turn him into town.
4. It's a lot better than giving the town the ability to confirm people based on having their revive popped or not. That could easily fuck the mafia over.
the major issues of this setup in this moment are:
1. mafia not knowing the identity of any of his allies
2. judas being a frustrating role because he doesn't know the identity of the mafia; his play after he gets popped is hoping that the mafia doesn't get lynched before 4p
3. town not getting any information at all at any stage of the game
Just my opinion but shouldn't these reviews and fixes happen before a setup is declared ready to mod?
After the several talks Nyquill and I had off the forum, I believed it was ready the way it was. No one else voiced anything beforehand that I know of.
Just saying, Saulus and Judas are bad and bastard role, so unbalanced game is what we get.
But y know, we seek the fun from bastard game anyway. Lol
But y know, we seek the fun from bastard game anyway. Lol
If ppl have concerns they should be voiced before the game goes into signups, otherwise players that signed up for it in it's current state (i.e. me) are just here watching you guys review and fix it.
sorry sakura i didn't mean to delay the beginning of the game, but i've watched the setup and i think it needs some corrections for people who joined it to enjoy the game
that's the problem, Saulus is not bastard at all in this setup and Judas is only bastard for the player playing itLincolm wrote:
Just saying, Saulus and Judas are bad and bastard role, so unbalanced game is what we get.
o my message wasn't sent yesterday.. dafuq ._.
Anyways,
/out
because i won't be home entire next week, and i probbably won't have internet access either.
Anyways,
/out
because i won't be home entire next week, and i probbably won't have internet access either.
If you're having Saulus only, then this is heavily town-sided. To make the game "balanced" at bastard game is to put Judas in. And work vice versa. So both of role are a problem.Sephibro wrote:
that's the problem, Saulus is not bastard at all in this setup and Judas is only bastard for the player playing it
It still worth to try, because why not?
I would in, but can't because my log in is broken and i don't want to passwordreset everytime i want to log in.
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I think I want to give this setup in its current state a shot. Its not like any harm can come in trying a new setup.
If anything, I'll fix it after we run this and then I can try again with fixes at some other date somewhere in the far future.
If anything, I'll fix it after we run this and then I can try again with fixes at some other date somewhere in the far future.
this setup's mistake is that no one gets any information ever, ending up being a random lynching-killing for both town and mafia at every phase of the game until something happens
it's not trying a new setup, this is random and it's a fact. if you decide to run it, don't do it for the sake of "trying new things" do it aware that it will be random like that, and i can't blame you for doing that
it's not trying a new setup, this is random and it's a fact. if you decide to run it, don't do it for the sake of "trying new things" do it aware that it will be random like that, and i can't blame you for doing that
What are you talking about, flips don't have on first death, they happen when the player is gone for good tho.
what kind of information do you get from a flip here? nothing more than dead player's role
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The fact that it is random like that is "trying something new". I think you misunderstand.Sephibro wrote:
this setup's mistake is that no one gets any information ever, ending up being a random lynching-killing for both town and mafia at every phase of the game until something happens
it's not trying a new setup, this is random and it's a fact. if you decide to run it, don't do it for the sake of "trying new things" do it aware that it will be random like that, and i can't blame you for doing that
Same with how mafia and math works, "elimination". Not saying you're wrong, but like what I say earlier, this is "mafia with math".Sephibro wrote:
what kind of information do you get from a flip here? nothing more than dead player's role
And by using mafia theory, this is not random.
btw my aim was to improve the setup of a game i'm not in for you to enjoy it better, but it seems you're not even a bit grateful for that
if you want to play a mountainous setup with changed names and revives go ahead, you'll figure out by yourself that i was right
if you want to play a mountainous setup with changed names and revives go ahead, you'll figure out by yourself that i was right
are you actually serious or is this a troll postLincolm wrote:
Same with how mafia and math works, "elimination". Not saying you're wrong, but like what I say earlier, this is "mafia with math".
And by using mafia theory, this is not random.
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And now you go back on what you said about respecting the fact that I am just using the setup for what it is.Sephibro wrote:
btw my aim was to improve the setup of a game i'm not in for you to enjoy it better, but it seems you're not even a bit grateful for that
if you want to play a mountainous setup with changed names and revives go ahead, you'll figure out by yourself that i was rightare you actually serious or is this a troll postLincolm wrote:
Same with how mafia and math works, "elimination". Not saying you're wrong, but like what I say earlier, this is "mafia with math".
And by using mafia theory, this is not random.
Can you make up your mind? I am grateful that you are putting thought into my setup, but if all you're going to do is be an asshole, then I recommend you leave.
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Actually, when you think about it, this isn't mountainous enough. If it was 7p mountainous, it is possible to make mafia team guilty by association with their two known partners.
I think I'll take one of your changes then, in order to make this truely mountainous.
Judas will join mafia team upon conversion.
Is that a problem with anyone? This will be the only thing I'm changing.
I think I'll take one of your changes then, in order to make this truely mountainous.
Judas will join mafia team upon conversion.
Is that a problem with anyone? This will be the only thing I'm changing.
it just pisses me off when i'm putting effort in helping making this setup better for players to enjoy and those same players call ma an asshole for that
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I'm not calling you an asshole because you're trying to help, i'm calling you an asshole because you have the misguided idea that everyone must accept what you are saying, and that you consistently are being a hypocrit.Sephibro wrote:
it just pisses me off when i'm putting effort in helping making this setup better for players to enjoy and those same players call ma an asshole for that
Its funny that instead of trying to continue evaluating the changes I just made in efforts of doing what you just said you would do, you just complain that you are not being credited for trying to help. Who said I do not appreciate it? I do and I understand what your concerns are. However, you said it yourself, theres nothing wrong with accepting the setup for what it is. Being a child a going back on what you just said in order to try to continue to make your point seem more important is no longer helping, but being a nuisance.
Maybe if you were more true to your own words would I think you're more sincere in your words, but as it is right now, you are excused.
This is no longer negotiable. You may leave.
you're misunderstanding my words, i was referring to sakura and lincolm there
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but I was the only one calling you an asshole? :p
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I really should rethink if it's worth playing more games on osu!, specially with the level of activity lately.
I really should rethink if it's worth playing more games on osu!, specially with the level of activity lately.
wut I'm active ;cSakura wrote:
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I really should rethink if it's worth playing more games on osu!, specially with the level of activity lately.
Except when I'm scum. I sux at scum ;c why am I soo obvious Q.Q
lol wut? You outed without ever ining? LOL.tn5421 wrote:
/out, because I don't want to in for this, ever.
I'm mercy killing this game if it's not completely filled tonight. It doesn't look like Nyquill is paying attention anymore.
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I am, but it seems theres a general lack of interest anyways. Go ahead and kill it if you want to.