1. Revives that occur during the night phase are not revealed to the public, nor individual, with an exception of the Judas and Saulus being notified of their alignment change.
2. This game is night start.
3. Flips do not happen until permadeath occurs.
4. Mafia-allies do not count towards the mafia faction. They simply win with mafia. Mafia and mafia-allies are not aware of eachothers' identities
5. Judas joins mafia team upon conversion.

Sakura wrote:

General Rules:
- Do not Edit or Delete any of your posts.
- Do not quote anything from the PMs given to you by the mod.
- Do not communicate outside of this thread unless your role PM allows you to.
- Do not use any form of provable randomness, saying that you flipped a coin and acted on that is fine, proving that you flipped said coin is not.
- I am human, and I may make mistakes, if I make a mistake send me a PM or state it in bold.
- PLAY TO WIN

Deadlines:
- Day times consist of 4 days, and it may be extended only on extreme circumstances. Any votes or unvotes after deadline wont count, if the day reaches deadline before a majority is reached, the day ends without a lynch
- Night times consist of 24 hours. Until then you may submit or change your action as many times as necessary, you may also decide to take no action by stating it in your PM, any actions taken after deadline wont count and if you didnt send in an action it will count as No action.

Voting and Lynching:
- You may vote a player by stating in bold Vote: Player Name, an Unvote is not required to change your vote but it helps. When a player has reached 50% + 1 of the votes in play, a lynch will happen and the day will end. If I can interpret the intent to vote, it will count.
- Acronyms and Shortened names are fine as long as I can clearly understand who is being voted.
- Alternatively you may vote to end the day without a lynch by voting for it Vote: No Lynch
- When a Lynch has ocurred before the end of the day, the game enters twilight zone, during this time all players including the lynchee may continue to post until I post the lynch scene and end the day, from then on the Lynchee is considered dead and cannot post.
- Dead players cannot post, but may make a bah post without revealing any game content in the following day phase.

Activity
- A player that hasn't posted for over 24 hours will be automatically prodded.
- Prods must be responded to in the game thread.
- If a player is going to be absent for 24 hours or more they may state that they'll be on V/LA for said time, no more than 3 days V/LA will be accepted and you should consider replacing out if you're going to be gone that long.
- Failing to pick up your prod within 24 hours will end in you getting replaced, you still have time to pick up your prod until a replacement is found.
- If no replacement can be found the slot will be modkilled instead.
- If a player has been prodded 3 times, a prod will be force replacement or a modkill.

If any rule is broken you will be modkilled and become a Neutral Survivor, hence automatically lose.
Modkills may or may not end the day early.
Pretending to break a rule will count as breaking the rule.
Questions > Modkills, if you have doubts whether you're about to break the rules feel free to PM me to make sure.
If you have any questions towards me State it in bold
I'll try to have a vote count at least once every 2 pages, unless i'm sleeping or something.
Last but not least, have fun <3

In the case i've missed anything, refer to these lovely rules by Lybydose: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/1062608

Nyquill wrote:

mafia is unaware of mafia-ally's identities.

Should he be?

Raging Bull wrote:

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CalignoBot wrote:

1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.

CalignoBot wrote:

1. Town gets a revive-cop and mafia a role cop (most likely going to have to increase the player count to 9 to include this)
2. Mafia gets a 1-shot mafia-ally census taker (AKA they know the state of both Judas and Saulus)
3. Saulus gets a 1-shot mafia neighborize (AKA they get to name a mafia member and if they're right, they join the mafia team and just have a one-shot revive. Otherwise, their role stays the same). It can only be used before they flip.
4. Angel alone is notified of when their revive pops. Angel is the only role that won't be able to live an extra night if they reveal it.

Sephibro wrote:

1. cop is a bad idea imo, a cop requires a mafia role who can cc it and who's known by the strongman
2. it's almost useless if it's only 1 shot
3. a Saulus who knows the identity of the mafia team isn't that wise
4. this one could be ok, but still pretty useless

the major issues of this setup in this moment are:
1. mafia not knowing the identity of any of his allies
2. judas being a frustrating role because he doesn't know the identity of the mafia; his play after he gets popped is hoping that the mafia doesn't get lynched before 4p
3. town not getting any information at all at any stage of the game

Lincolm wrote:

Just saying, Saulus and Judas are bad and bastard role, so unbalanced game is what we get.

Sephibro wrote:

that's the problem, Saulus is not bastard at all in this setup and Judas is only bastard for the player playing it

Sephibro wrote:

this setup's mistake is that no one gets any information ever, ending up being a random lynching-killing for both town and mafia at every phase of the game until something happens

it's not trying a new setup, this is random and it's a fact. if you decide to run it, don't do it for the sake of "trying new things" do it aware that it will be random like that, and i can't blame you for doing that

Sephibro wrote:

what kind of information do you get from a flip here? nothing more than dead player's role

Lincolm wrote:

Same with how mafia and math works, "elimination". Not saying you're wrong, but like what I say earlier, this is "mafia with math".

And by using mafia theory, this is not random.

Sephibro wrote:

btw my aim was to improve the setup of a game i'm not in for you to enjoy it better, but it seems you're not even a bit grateful for that

if you want to play a mountainous setup with changed names and revives go ahead, you'll figure out by yourself that i was right

Lincolm wrote:

Same with how mafia and math works, "elimination". Not saying you're wrong, but like what I say earlier, this is "mafia with math".

And by using mafia theory, this is not random.

are you actually serious or is this a troll post

Sephibro wrote:

it just pisses me off when i'm putting effort in helping making this setup better for players to enjoy and those same players call ma an asshole for that

Sakura wrote:

/out

I really should rethink if it's worth playing more games on osu!, specially with the level of activity lately.