Okoratu wrote:
> What if a song has a (Long Ver.) and a "normal" version that is shorter and has no markers? In that case you wouldn't add (Short Ver.) I assume, but that's not clear based on this wording.
the basic premise is that you have two things with identical metadata and we want to label one to signify what version it is so i would figure it wouldnt apply to begin with. if this should be clearer we should change stuff i guess
In the 2nd wording suggested by Noffy this information gets lost unfortunately, so yes adding something about only applying it in cases where two different versions have the same metadata is necessary.
Okoratu wrote:
> Another thing to consider (although rare) is that game and movie versions of a song may not always just be a shorter version but could also be a different arrangement with the same length as the original song, in which case adding the marker would still make sense and should probably be accounted for in the wording as well.
fair, but i'd hope common sense wins there? not sure - as you've said the movie and game versions would likely get different markers in that scenario anyways
There's no such thing as common sense when it comes to metadata, and while some artists label different versions of their songs differently, not everyone does.
AJT wrote:
Serizawa Haruki wrote:
What if a song has a (Long Ver.) and a "normal" version that is shorter and has no markers? In that case you wouldn't add (Short Ver.) I assume, but that's not clear based on this wording.
This is something I was thinking about earlier but forgot.
Maybe after "This does not apply to Movie or Game Ver. markers." also add "If a song's longer version contains a marker indicating so, a marker for the shorter version is not required." or words to that effect
Yes, that's the idea, but putting it this way sounds a bit convoluted, I suggest something more similar to what was there originally (about only applying it when in cases where two different versions have the same metadata).
AJT wrote:
I also felt slightly conflicted about (Short Ver.) being the priority in cases where both vers have no marker and the "Short Ver" was actually the original ver and it was extended later, the question being why you'd have to add Short Ver to one instead of Long Ver to the other, but maybe this will have to be collateral damage.
Technically this could be accounted for by making the rule say that for the version which was released first no markers are added, and the one released later would get a marker to distinguish it from the original. This would also have the advantage of avoiding conflicts when a song gets ranked before the other version is released - right now if the short version is released first without markers, someone ranks a map of it and later the full version is released, the longer one would also not get any markers and the problem of having identical metadata persists. However, if markers are added to the version released afterwards, no matter if shorter or longer, this could be avoided. The only downside is that it probably makes explaining the rule a little complicated and hard to understand.
Serizawa Haruki wrote:
Another thing to consider (although rare) is that game and movie versions of a song may not always just be a shorter version but could also be a different arrangement with the same length as the original song, in which case adding the marker would still make sense and should probably be accounted for in the wording as well.
AJT wrote:
Noffy's rewordings don't really make explicit reference to length being the only thing that would constitute a Game Ver or Movie Ver so I feel like this is covered.
In the description of (Game Ver.) and (Movie Ver.) itself not, but the main bullet point above says "If there are no markers, add one to the shorter version when there are multiple versions of a song. Use the most appropriate option from the list below.", so if the (Game Ver.) is equally long or even longer than the original, the whole rule wouldn't apply in the first place.
My suggestion is this:
- If there are similar markers in a song's title, replace them with the relevant marker form the list below.
- If there are no markers and multiple versions of a song have the same metadata, add the most appropriate marker from the list below, unless it's the original version of the song. Do not add these markers if a track is the only known version of a song.
- (Short Ver.)
Used to mark shorter versions of songs when both a long and a short version exist. Examples to replace include: -Short Ver-, Short, ~Short Version~. - (Game Ver.)
Used to mark game versions of songs. Examples to replace include: ~Game Size~, (Game Size), game OP edit, OP Version for tracks used in games. - (Movie Ver.)
Used to mark movie versions of songs. Examples to replace include: Movie EDIT, ~movie size~, Movie Cut, (Movie Version).
Aditionally, this would have to be moved/included in the rule above:
(#### Ver.)
When song titles already have a length / version marker not covered above, it should be changed to a descriptive (#### Ver.) marker using title case. For example:
(Extended Version) -> (Extended Ver.)
(Long) -> (Long Ver.)
But I don't see why (Extended Ver.) and (Long Ver.) should only be examples for (#### Ver.) instead of own bullet points like the other version markers, so I'd add them to the list above as separate points.