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[Sort of Request] Enable mappers to unqualify their own maps

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Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Topic Starter
Jenny
As we seem to face a fair load of unranking (or at least concerns with ranked/qualified maps) lately, it came to my mind to give mappers the ability to dis-/unqualify their own mapsets for further polishment/whatever reason they might have in mind - after all, it's their map and they should be allowed to have that much of a say into the whole matter without having to request BATs to deal with the concerns at hand that might not have shown before the map got exposed to a larger audience by achieving qualified status (not even counting the obligations that come with unranking a map which makes for additional workload on the BAT);
this would be specifically useful in cases like this one when the mapper gets to see the issues within their map after getting their map ranked/qualified and receiving more feedback afterwards.

Also I see this of higher priority as the BAT is planned to foremost deal with community management and unranking issues in the moddingv2 system, so this could potentially take a fair load of work from them in such scenarios aswell as give the mappers a second say in the matter if they decide to further improve their maps.
Sieg
3,981 posts
Joined February 2012
Sieg
sounds legit
moddingv2 was a good idea, unfortunately dead
TicClick
Global Moderator
4,424 posts
Joined February 2011
TicClick

Sieg wrote:

moddingv2 was a good idea, unfortunately dead
it is not dead, and, under good circumstances, you will probably see it alive and working in a month or even less
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
I agree to the fullest.
If a mapper decides/discovers that he can improve the quality of their map without too much effort, he should just have the chance to do so, at least as long as it's only qualified. Qualified maps aren't supposed to be finalized anyway, they're given this week of time to be played and tested by more mappers and modders so they can leave feedback. I feel allowing them to unrank after being given such feedback only makes sense.
(also I can imagine this would release some additional stress from BATs)
Stefan
Global Moderator
10,420 posts
Joined January 2011
Stefan
As I have talked to Jenny the BAT should still only be able to disqualify Maps. If the reasons are understandable and improve the Map after then for a lot this seems fine because making the own Map better at any point is always good and should be supported. Anything else, no. (Except of the typical unrankable issues)
peppy
19,318 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
Mappers should not submit their map to pending unless they are 100% happy with it. They will not be able to disqualify their own maps.
Jenny
2,200 posts
Joined November 2010
Topic Starter
Jenny
Obviously they shouldn't, but they do, so that's ideology against reality at this point.
peppy
19,318 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
Not one the system will support.
default0
35 posts
Joined August 2012
default0

peppy wrote:

Not one the system will support.
sure, though you kinda miss that people evolve as mappers over the possibly months it can take to get a map ranked, so they might raise their standards and become unhappy with previous things they did.
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

Xyuwelion wrote:

peppy wrote:

Not one the system will support.
sure, though you kinda miss that people evolve as mappers over the possibly months it can take to get a map ranked, so they might raise their standards and become unhappy with previous things they did.
Look, there's a point where you have to just let your baby go. Once it's qualified, it's done. You may later realize you want to change something but it's probably something that isn't as big of a deal as you think it is. Players should not lose their scores and pp just because the mapper changed their mind about something minor. It's punishing the players for the mapper's inability to let things go.

If there's something that's actually a major thing that needs changing then the map will probably be unqualified anyways. Otherwise, whatever the mapper wants to change probably isn't a big deal.

That and there's all the time before a map gets qualified to get it out of Pending, make changes, and then put it back in Pending.
HakuNoKaemi
3,828 posts
Joined October 2009
HakuNoKaemi
There's no reason to not permit the mapper to unqualify his maps, the only problem would be if the map has a lot of plays (in that case, the mapperwon't probably decide to unrank his map, so you could use a limit of "max plays" or "max time passed from ranking".
If it's the mapper desire to polish his map, why you won't respect it? There are time when maps that doesn't need many polishment are actually unranked for less important reason.
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
8,431 posts
Joined March 2010
TheVileOne
The mapper willingly acknowledged that it was qualified. At least I would really hope the mapper is actually contacted before their map gets qualified. >.> They should know what is going to happen to their maps.

As a counterpoint to this request, it is supremely easy to contact a BAT. Why should you not contact one when you have concerns about one of your maps?


As to the point that people submit maps that aren't ready. There's no amount of warnings you could make that will stop people from doing so. If their maps aren't ready, then it wont get qualified. Otherwise it will (and the mapper will know it will be qualified).
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

HakuNoKaemi wrote:

If it's the mapper desire to polish his map, why you won't respect it?
Because they usually have all the time they want to do that before they start asking for bubbles. If they unqualified their map then it would have to get bubbled and then qualified again. If you ask a BAT to check your map because you're hoping for a bubble then you should be 100% fine with your map getting ranked in the state it's in when asking for a bubble. If you change your mind then you pretty much wasted the time of both BATs, because now they'll have to mod your shit again when having it go through the process once should have been enough, and players, because their scores are gone. If a mapper unqualified their own map just to change something that didn't make things unrankable then that would be pretty selfish.

Mappers should have their shit together so they don't waste people's time.
tiper
tiper
As long as people get pps for playing qualified maps, mappers must not be allowed to unqualify their maps. They have a lot of time to polish their maps.
Atrue
osu! Alumni
1,018 posts
Joined July 2012
Atrue
If someone find their maps have something unrankable and it get qualified, it's easy to find a BAT to pick it out and un-qualify it. But if he or she are just not content with somewhere, for example, somewhere not so polished or something not so serious(unrankable), I think the map should not be un-qualified. Qualified maps should be convincing.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
3,946 posts
Joined April 2009
Ephemeral

peppy wrote:

Mappers should not submit their map to pending unless they are 100% happy with it. They will not be able to disqualify their own maps.
Marking this as invalid accordingly.
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