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Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn
Before this immediately gets turned into "LOL THIS HAS BEEN SUGGESTED SO MANY TIMES PLS BAN MAEGLWN HE'S DUMB" read the post.

This game desperately needs a #league. It's gotten pretty bad lately, well not even lately, as of a year ago, right around the time when I joined. #osu and #videogames are both filled with it, and as much as nobody would like to admit it there is a massive problem with random league players flooding both chats.

Before this immediately gets dismissed, I want people to look at this from a moderator's point of view. Myself and others included definitely report people for talking about League in #osu. Half of the time this doesn't do anything, but at least it provokes a !faq videogames from a mod (if one of those mythical things is on, they don't exist a lot) It's a rule not to talk about video games (league) in #osu. So they get sent to #videogames.

Now, #videogames, a chat that is supposed to be for talk about widespread video game talk that isn't just League, is a chat that gets basically used for random discussion about nothing video game related, and then random league players asking for people to carry them. The reason why nobody goes to #videogames is because there's League players there. And to be perfectly honest, I'm pretty sure a large portion of the community understands the League community is awful.

So why push the issue away to another channel that nobody will be in because nobody wants to be surrounded by the stereotype that league players are awful? Why not invite people to actually use the #videogames channel for its INTENDED purpose, to talk about, you know, video games (other than league too, there are other video games too) instead of being a cesspool and a blank channel half of the time?

As it is, it doesn't really seem like even league players want to go to #videogames because even the name itself basically says "this is a channel for things that aren't league and you're just generalizing it". There's obvious joking constantly of random people in #osu or otherwise saying "#league" and stuff like that expecting it to work when it doesn't after a !faq videogames. Because half of the community is league players. Unfortunate, but it's true.

Therefore, I suggest that #league be made. Then !faq league and !faq lol can be created, league players can have their own little community, and #videogames can be a whole lot more inviting. And #osu of course wouldn't be filled with the cancer that it's usually filled with. That's not just a player issue, but I'm not going to get into that here.

So there's my slightly angry, redundant, probably going to be marked invalid feature request. I invite anybody to give me a decent reason other than "this has been suggested" or "#videogames exists already" or "there's no reason to give a game its own channel when we have #videogames, that would mean we would have to give every game its own channel" (because if you seriously think that you're avoiding the issue and not admitting the impact league has on the community). The obvious rebuttals.

tl;dr: http://puu.sh/7AAqk.jpg

update that I never updated:

peppy wrote:

I'm still unsure about channels for other games. While I have nothing against it, I just don't know if it *feels* right. I'm against advertising other services, and this marginally infringes on that rule. But at the same time, it will allow for a bit more organisation. Will think about it.
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deadbeat
osu! Alumni
9,218 posts
Joined June 2009
deadbeat
fwiw, i don't recall any requests for a LoL channel.
it *could* be something to consider since there is a huge league base, i'm just worried about it being empty like #videogames
Piine
1,573 posts
Joined March 2012
Piine
I find this pretty legit. I mean if it can stop LoL players from flooding chats with "OH EUW is DOWN" and stuff, why not. (Unless peppy says it advertises games and then automatically says no...)
Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe
I don't think it would really stop the LoL spam in #osu. From what I have seen, most of the people who do it are:

1) New, and have no idea about the channels (which is probably why they are posting in #osu in the first place)
2) Trolls

Not against the idea, but I don't think it would solve the problem.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Bauxe wrote:

I don't think it would really stop the LoL spam in #osu. From what I have seen, most of the people who do it are:

1) New, and have no idea about the channels (which is probably why they are posting in #osu in the first place)
2) Trolls

Not against the idea, but I don't think it would solve the problem.
"That's not just a player issue, but I'm not going to get into that here."
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

deadbeat wrote:

fwiw, i don't recall any requests for a LoL channel.
it *could* be something to consider since there is a huge league base, i'm just worried about it being empty like #videogames
videogames is empty because of teh presence of league players in the channel
neurosis
508 posts
Joined March 2012
neurosis
might as well, everyone plays it for some reason
dkun
osu! Alumni
4,486 posts
Joined August 2009
dkun
peppy has personally denied this on the basis that we don't have a "LoL server", therefore not adding a standalone channel for it.

Newer people don't know #videogames exist and are generally just trolls to begin with if they're talking about league in the fashion you speak of.
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko
blame the streamers like boxbox and dyrus for bringing a relatively small/maintained by one person/content by the community, game to the drones who play LoL.
peppy
19,315 posts
Here since the beginning
peppy
I'm still unsure about channels for other games. While I have nothing against it, I just don't know if it *feels* right. I'm against advertising other services, and this marginally infringes on that rule. But at the same time, it will allow for a bit more organisation. Will think about it.
Ekaru
3,617 posts
Joined July 2008
Ekaru

peppy wrote:

I'm still unsure about channels for other games. While I have nothing against it, I just don't know if it *feels* right. I'm against advertising other services, and this marginally infringes on that rule. But at the same time, it will allow for a bit more organisation. Will think about it.
Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
Lach
1,118 posts
Joined November 2012
Lach

Ekaru wrote:

Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
I can't see that going well, given that no matter where you go there's always bickering between dota2 and LoL players.
Vuelo Eluko
5,484 posts
Joined October 2013
Vuelo Eluko

Ekaru wrote:

peppy wrote:

I'm still unsure about channels for other games. While I have nothing against it, I just don't know if it *feels* right. I'm against advertising other services, and this marginally infringes on that rule. But at the same time, it will allow for a bit more organisation. Will think about it.
Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
Oh man that won't end well. Those different communities aren't exactly on the best of terms. LoL hates Dota, Dota hates LoL, and HoN pretty much hates everyone including themselves.

edit:

Lach wrote:

Ekaru wrote:

Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
I can't see that going well, given that no matter where you go there's always bickering between dota2 and LoL players.
HM
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Stefan
Without coming with the 08/15 "amg dis is alrdy denied STAPH DIS SHi--" comments I seriously do not think this will helps for a bit. Let me show how 99% of the cases looks like:

User1: hi, anyone playing here LoL? My fav champ is..
Moderator: please use #videogames
-2 minutes later-
User1: anyone playing here LoL?

This is one case, the other one would be:

User1: *talking about LoL stuff*
User2: *talking about LoL stuff*
Moderator: please use #videogames
User1: But LoL isn't really a videogame
User2: yeah and #videogames is dead anyways and no one use it

Mostly these are newer users in Case one. In Case two there are maybe longer one which are quite stubborn to switch in the channel because there is no real reason and they think they do not annoy anyone. Honestly I really do not care if people start talking about LoL, I mean they could start talking about DotA or HoN and I seriously would not care even so I find this dumb discussion "huuuuuu LoL sucks DotA ftw / wuuuuuu DotA sucks LoL ftw" really annoying but this has some serious and obvious reasons unlike getting annoyed by looking people talking about a game. But the problem are the people's behaviour, and no one can really change them. This will, how it's going at the moment, end that:

- people stop writing in the public chat
- people get silenced despite of the warnings

I think like a really really little part of these people will follow to go in the #league channel. In short: Another dead channel.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Stefan wrote:

Without coming with the 08/15 "amg dis is alrdy denied STAPH DIS SHi--" comments I seriously do not think this will helps for a bit. Let me show how 99% of the cases looks like:

User1: hi, anyone playing here LoL? My fav champ is..
Moderator: please use #videogames
-2 minutes later-
User1: anyone playing here LoL?

This is one case, the other one would be:

User1: *talking about LoL stuff*
User2: *talking about LoL stuff*
Moderator: please use #videogames
User1: But LoL isn't really a videogame
User2: yeah and #videogames is dead anyways and no one use it

Mostly these are newer users in Case one. In Case two there are maybe longer one which are quite stubborn to switch in the channel because there is no real reason and they think they do not annoy anyone. Honestly I really do not care if people start talking about LoL, I mean they could start talking about DotA or HoN and I seriously would not care even so I find this dumb discussion "huuuuuu LoL sucks DotA ftw / wuuuuuu DotA sucks LoL ftw" really annoying but this has some serious and obvious reasons unlike getting annoyed by looking people talking about a game. But the problem are the people's behaviour, and no one can really change them. This will, how it's going at the moment, end that:

- people stop writing in the public chat
- people get silenced despite of the warnings

I think like a really really little part of these people will follow to go in the #league channel. In short: Another dead channel.
you need to look at it from the consumer standpoint. if it's named #league, it's going to pull in league players. by your logic every call of duty game would eventually die out but it doesn't
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

dkun wrote:

peppy has personally denied this on the basis that we don't have a "LoL server", therefore not adding a standalone channel for it.

Newer people don't know #videogames exist and are generally just trolls to begin with if they're talking about league in the fashion you speak of.
we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
Stefan
Global Moderator
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Joined January 2011
Stefan
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Stefan wrote:

Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
as long as the time period is more than enough time to make current players and new players both aware of the fact that it exists, then sure
dkun
osu! Alumni
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Joined August 2009
dkun

Maeglwn wrote:

we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.

From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?

It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.

On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

dkun wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.

From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?

It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.

On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
instead of getting needlessly aggressive because I said something, lets think about this in a logical manner for a second

sure, there's the obvious league trolls, but there's also a decent majority of league players that 1) play osu more than league but still like talking about it and 2) aren't trolls and actually enjoy both games and are just looking for other people to play with/whatever. it makes a large amount of sense when you think about it from not just the troll perspective. if everybody that plays league was a troll that just spouted random nonsense over #osu, then we wouldn't obviously need the channel

but you yourself just said that you play league and would love a channel. I'm pretty sure by your status in general that you're not a random troll from league (obviously enough). #videogames is a dead channel because it's (and I'll keep using this analogy until the end of time because it applies so well) like a dance in which all of the girls are on one side and all of the guys are on the other side and instead of talking in the middle of the "dance" and doing productive things they sit off to the side and wait for somebody else to talk. that's the very small population of people that actually go there, btw.

then you have the obvious reason why nobody goes to #videogames, which is because all the league players are "expected" at least to go there. and the league players don't go there because they want to talk about league and a channel called #videogames doesn't imply just league. that's a stereotype, but a pretty good one at that. generally, you can't stereotype players that much, but from experience that's what I've seen.

it's a perfectly viable solution to a year old problem. besides, it won't be dead, because people like yourself just even said you would like the channel. people would definitely use it. then #videogames can go back to being used for actual videogame talk now that nobody is scared to go into it in the chance that they'd get trolled or driven away by a bunch of angry league players.
tsundoll
108 posts
Joined April 2013
tsundoll
The reason #videogames isn't used is because #osu is seen as a #general as it's what everyone is logged into when they start the game.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

tsundoll wrote:

The reason #videogames isn't used is because #osu is seen as a #general as it's what everyone is logged into when they start the game.
part of the reason, not the full reason
OzzyOzrock
5,185 posts
Joined August 2010
OzzyOzrock
i dunno, having threads for certain games on another game's site is fine, and when there's a game the osu! community has servers for that makes sense to me too, but although league is extremely popular in the osu! community, I feelit'd be strange to have league chat in osu! haha, but it'd probably be pretty good.
Tekklorn
233 posts
Joined November 2012
Tekklorn

Stefan wrote:

Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems odd
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Tekklorn wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems odd
videogames has been being used a lot more recently. but you know, having it be more attractive to people who don't play league would be really nice
Piine
1,573 posts
Joined March 2012
Piine

Tekklorn wrote:

Stefan wrote:

Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems odd

I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.

Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
[ Pingu ]
743 posts
Joined October 2013
[ Pingu ]

dkun wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.

From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?

It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.

On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
Sorry for going a little bit off topic but then on topic, but I don't actually get why there's a Minecraft Channel. Out of all my time on osu!, I've never seen anyone talk about Minecraft on the channel, nor in any other channels such as #osu and #lobby. The Minecraft channel is just mainly sitting there...doing nothing.

Personally I think the Minecraft channel and the LoL channel should swap, because like I said, nobody really talks about Minecraft on osu!.

On the other hand though, I think LoL would be good, but only if people are going to use it. If people actually use the channel then it would be a great success. But if people don't use it, it would just end up like #videogames and #minecraft, pointless. However, if we actually tell people to go to the #LoL channel, then I'm sure they would other then going to #videogames, because it's a dedicated channel made for LoL only, so people wouldn't have to distract others with other games.
deadbeat
osu! Alumni
9,218 posts
Joined June 2009
deadbeat

OMGPingu wrote:

Sorry for going a little bit off topic but then on topic, but I don't actually get why there's a Minecraft Channel. Out of all my time on osu!, I've never seen anyone talk about Minecraft on the channel, nor in any other channels such as #osu and #lobby. The Minecraft channel is just mainly sitting there...doing nothing.

Personally I think the Minecraft channel and the LoL channel should swap, because like I said, nobody really talks about Minecraft on osu!.
minecraft has a osu! server
t/125812 <- outdated
t/189851 <- still being worked on
Tekklorn
233 posts
Joined November 2012
Tekklorn

Sulker wrote:

I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.

Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
Not sure what you're trying to say when you argue that LoL isn't a video game, it is. Saying that it's an MMO doesn't mean anything, it just means it's a game that's massively multiplayer :/

I don't stalk that room enough to really put forward anything solid tbh, but the few times i've looked it's either a dead channel or people are talking about games other than LoL. Trying to segregate the people who play league and don't seems silly imo, but that's just me.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Tekklorn wrote:

Sulker wrote:

I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.

Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
Not sure what you're trying to say when you argue that LoL isn't a video game, it is. Saying that it's an MMO doesn't mean anything, it just means it's a game that's massively multiplayer :/

I don't stalk that room enough to really put forward anything solid tbh, but the few times i've looked it's either a dead channel or people are talking about games other than LoL. Trying to segregate the people who play league and don't seems silly imo, but that's just me.
do you not look in any channels then? because all #osu is too is random people talking about league

I'm starting to feel like you're just arguing for the chance to argue away a #league channel, #videogames lately has been active but full of people asking for league stuff. nobody wants to go there because of it
Varetyr
794 posts
Joined December 2011
Varetyr

Maeglwn wrote:

you need to look at it from the consumer standpoint. if it's named #league, it's going to pull in league players.
pretty much this.

Gotta admit it doesn't feel "right" but I can only see benefits from adding this chan.
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
why would people from a specific videogame need their own channel? why dont we make a seperate channel for every videogame then?
if they talk about LoL in #osu kindly point them to #videogames and if they dont listen then silence them, i'm sure they will learn from that.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

silmarilen wrote:

why would people from a specific videogame need their own channel? why dont we make a seperate channel for every videogame then?
if they talk about LoL in #osu kindly point them to #videogames and if they dont listen then silence them, i'm sure they will learn from that.
sigh.

So there's my slightly angry, redundant, probably going to be marked invalid feature request. I invite anybody to give me a decent reason other than "this has been suggested" or "#videogames exists already" or "there's no reason to give a game its own channel when we have #videogames, that would mean we would have to give every game its own channel" (because if you seriously think that you're avoiding the issue and not admitting the impact league has on the community).
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
why do we need other reasons? saying that in your OP doesnt make it any less true.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

silmarilen wrote:

why do we need other reasons? saying that in your OP doesnt make it any less true.
(because if you seriously think that you're avoiding the issue and not admitting the impact league has on the community).
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

silmarilen wrote:

saying that in your OP doesnt make it any less true.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn
that's like saying my opening post doesn't mean anything

the point being is that league is so much more massive and so much more of a presence than any other regular "video games" that it deserves its own channel solely because of the impact it has. nobody wants a channel for asteroids, people want a channel for league. why? because it's a presence. can you think of any other random games that have the impact that league does? cause I can't (excluding other mobas)
silmarilen
5,581 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen
i still dont see how a game being played more than other games would make it have such an "impact" (what do you even mean with this?) that it would justify being given its own channel.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

silmarilen wrote:

i still dont see how a game being played more than other games would make it have such an "impact" (what do you even mean with this?) that it would justify being given its own channel.
it's not just the fact that it's played more. I mean impact by how it changed the osu community. do you think that the community would still be the same if league didn't exist? if none of the streamers played osu inbetween games and garnered the massive amount of viewers and players that the game has now?

like I'm aware that you don't really go into #osu or #videogames but both channels definitely feel that whole "league player impact" that I've been trying to explain to you. if you're not understanding it, you should really go reread the OP, that's all I can say.
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn


#videogames in a nutshell right now
Seph
Seph

Maeglwn wrote:

how it changed the osu community
???
vipto
716 posts
Joined May 2011
vipto
This is osu!, not a public chat to discuss games like League. You can go to #videogames for that matter.
Coffee Hero
Coffee Hero

vipto wrote:

This is osu!, not a public chat to discuss games like League. You can go to #videogames for that matter.
You can, which is why I don't personally go to #videogames
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

vipto wrote:

This is osu!, not a public chat to discuss games like League. You can go to #videogames for that matter.
vipto I will find you and force you to click circles for days on end until your eyes bleed
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Seph wrote:

Maeglwn wrote:

how it changed the osu community
???
????????
Pannari
407 posts
Joined November 2013
Pannari
In my opinion this would help for the daily #osu LoL flood.

Players / mods could just forward the discussions into #league.
Giralda
1,008 posts
Joined August 2012
Giralda
Please note I'm not against this in any way what-so-ever. But...

You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
Maeglwn
Topic Starter
Maeglwn

Giralda wrote:

Please note I'm not against this in any way what-so-ever. But...

You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
uh

moderate it? :P twitch chats aren't nearly as well moderated as osu is (as much as I hate to admit that because I think the mods here are bad 90% of the time)

have you seen #osu when Blaze is on? it's actually pretty okay when somebody's doing a good job.
Giralda
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Joined August 2012
Giralda
Okay take my stars. I entirely ruled Blaze out of the equation by accident. How stupid of me.
khan119
125 posts
Joined September 2013
khan119
no stars but support

i play league myself and its a shitfuck community

let them circlejerk the shit out of their own chatroom
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