I can't see that going well, given that no matter where you go there's always bickering between dota2 and LoL players.Ekaru wrote:
Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
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Oh man that won't end well. Those different communities aren't exactly on the best of terms. LoL hates Dota, Dota hates LoL, and HoN pretty much hates everyone including themselves.Ekaru wrote:
Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;peppy wrote:
I'm still unsure about channels for other games. While I have nothing against it, I just don't know if it *feels* right. I'm against advertising other services, and this marginally infringes on that rule. But at the same time, it will allow for a bit more organisation. Will think about it.
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HMLach wrote:
I can't see that going well, given that no matter where you go there's always bickering between dota2 and LoL players.Ekaru wrote:
Maybe a channel for the MOBA genre in general then? <.<;
Without coming with the 08/15 "amg dis is alrdy denied STAPH DIS SHi--" comments I seriously do not think this will helps for a bit. Let me show how 99% of the cases looks like:
User1: hi, anyone playing here LoL? My fav champ is..
Moderator: please use #videogames
-2 minutes later-
User1: anyone playing here LoL?
This is one case, the other one would be:
User1: *talking about LoL stuff*
User2: *talking about LoL stuff*
Moderator: please use #videogames
User1: But LoL isn't really a videogame
User2: yeah and #videogames is dead anyways and no one use it
Mostly these are newer users in Case one. In Case two there are maybe longer one which are quite stubborn to switch in the channel because there is no real reason and they think they do not annoy anyone. Honestly I really do not care if people start talking about LoL, I mean they could start talking about DotA or HoN and I seriously would not care even so I find this dumb discussion "huuuuuu LoL sucks DotA ftw / wuuuuuu DotA sucks LoL ftw" really annoying but this has some serious and obvious reasons unlike getting annoyed by looking people talking about a game. But the problem are the people's behaviour, and no one can really change them. This will, how it's going at the moment, end that:
- people stop writing in the public chat
- people get silenced despite of the warnings
I think like a really really little part of these people will follow to go in the #league channel. In short: Another dead channel.
User1: hi, anyone playing here LoL? My fav champ is..
Moderator: please use #videogames
-2 minutes later-
User1: anyone playing here LoL?
This is one case, the other one would be:
User1: *talking about LoL stuff*
User2: *talking about LoL stuff*
Moderator: please use #videogames
User1: But LoL isn't really a videogame
User2: yeah and #videogames is dead anyways and no one use it
Mostly these are newer users in Case one. In Case two there are maybe longer one which are quite stubborn to switch in the channel because there is no real reason and they think they do not annoy anyone. Honestly I really do not care if people start talking about LoL, I mean they could start talking about DotA or HoN and I seriously would not care even so I find this dumb discussion "huuuuuu LoL sucks DotA ftw / wuuuuuu DotA sucks LoL ftw" really annoying but this has some serious and obvious reasons unlike getting annoyed by looking people talking about a game. But the problem are the people's behaviour, and no one can really change them. This will, how it's going at the moment, end that:
- people stop writing in the public chat
- people get silenced despite of the warnings
I think like a really really little part of these people will follow to go in the #league channel. In short: Another dead channel.
Maeglwn
you need to look at it from the consumer standpoint. if it's named #league, it's going to pull in league players. by your logic every call of duty game would eventually die out but it doesn'tStefan wrote:
Without coming with the 08/15 "amg dis is alrdy denied STAPH DIS SHi--" comments I seriously do not think this will helps for a bit. Let me show how 99% of the cases looks like:
User1: hi, anyone playing here LoL? My fav champ is..
Moderator: please use #videogames
-2 minutes later-
User1: anyone playing here LoL?
This is one case, the other one would be:
User1: *talking about LoL stuff*
User2: *talking about LoL stuff*
Moderator: please use #videogames
User1: But LoL isn't really a videogame
User2: yeah and #videogames is dead anyways and no one use it
Mostly these are newer users in Case one. In Case two there are maybe longer one which are quite stubborn to switch in the channel because there is no real reason and they think they do not annoy anyone. Honestly I really do not care if people start talking about LoL, I mean they could start talking about DotA or HoN and I seriously would not care even so I find this dumb discussion "huuuuuu LoL sucks DotA ftw / wuuuuuu DotA sucks LoL ftw" really annoying but this has some serious and obvious reasons unlike getting annoyed by looking people talking about a game. But the problem are the people's behaviour, and no one can really change them. This will, how it's going at the moment, end that:
- people stop writing in the public chat
- people get silenced despite of the warnings
I think like a really really little part of these people will follow to go in the #league channel. In short: Another dead channel.
Maeglwn
we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer appliesdkun wrote:
peppy has personally denied this on the basis that we don't have a "LoL server", therefore not adding a standalone channel for it.
Newer people don't know #videogames exist and are generally just trolls to begin with if they're talking about league in the fashion you speak of.
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Maeglwn
as long as the time period is more than enough time to make current players and new players both aware of the fact that it exists, then sureStefan wrote:
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.Maeglwn wrote:
we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?
It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.
On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
Maeglwn
instead of getting needlessly aggressive because I said something, lets think about this in a logical manner for a seconddkun wrote:
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.Maeglwn wrote:
we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?
It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.
On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
sure, there's the obvious league trolls, but there's also a decent majority of league players that 1) play osu more than league but still like talking about it and 2) aren't trolls and actually enjoy both games and are just looking for other people to play with/whatever. it makes a large amount of sense when you think about it from not just the troll perspective. if everybody that plays league was a troll that just spouted random nonsense over #osu, then we wouldn't obviously need the channel
but you yourself just said that you play league and would love a channel. I'm pretty sure by your status in general that you're not a random troll from league (obviously enough). #videogames is a dead channel because it's (and I'll keep using this analogy until the end of time because it applies so well) like a dance in which all of the girls are on one side and all of the guys are on the other side and instead of talking in the middle of the "dance" and doing productive things they sit off to the side and wait for somebody else to talk. that's the very small population of people that actually go there, btw.
then you have the obvious reason why nobody goes to #videogames, which is because all the league players are "expected" at least to go there. and the league players don't go there because they want to talk about league and a channel called #videogames doesn't imply just league. that's a stereotype, but a pretty good one at that. generally, you can't stereotype players that much, but from experience that's what I've seen.
it's a perfectly viable solution to a year old problem. besides, it won't be dead, because people like yourself just even said you would like the channel. people would definitely use it. then #videogames can go back to being used for actual videogame talk now that nobody is scared to go into it in the chance that they'd get trolled or driven away by a bunch of angry league players.
The reason #videogames isn't used is because #osu is seen as a #general as it's what everyone is logged into when they start the game.
Maeglwn
i dunno, having threads for certain games on another game's site is fine, and when there's a game the osu! community has servers for that makes sense to me too, but although league is extremely popular in the osu! community, I feelit'd be strange to have league chat in osu! haha, but it'd probably be pretty good.
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems oddStefan wrote:
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Maeglwn
videogames has been being used a lot more recently. but you know, having it be more attractive to people who don't play league would be really niceTekklorn wrote:
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems oddStefan wrote:
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
Tekklorn wrote:
Seems like the best way for it, apart from the fact that peppy doesn't like to advertise other services. Personally, I'm against this idea because there's already a #videogames which is barely used so creating a room for one video game specifically seems oddStefan wrote:
Well, peppy could (if he decides to do that) add the channel for a time period and see how "successful" this channel is. If it ends like #videogames then it should be removed. I think this would be the best way to see instead to think about if it has potential or not.
I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.
Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
Sorry for going a little bit off topic but then on topic, but I don't actually get why there's a Minecraft Channel. Out of all my time on osu!, I've never seen anyone talk about Minecraft on the channel, nor in any other channels such as #osu and #lobby. The Minecraft channel is just mainly sitting there...doing nothing.dkun wrote:
You're taking half my quote and throwing the other half out the window fwiw. But, it still does make sense. We do have a Minecraft server still. (the more you know!) It's just under work.Maeglwn wrote:
we also no longer have a minecraft server and haven't for some time. this logic no longer applies
From a moderator point of view, people who talk about league and the sense (MOBA) are generally what Stefan described. I don't see #videogames being used for it, then why should we add a dedicated channel on top of a dead channel?
It just makes zero sense. I still believe that the "newer people don't know videogames exist" or even generally care. Half the LoL related material I see is spam worthy to begin with.
On a more personal note, I do play LoL. I would love a LoL channel, but I just believe that osu! doesn't need one. I've said before to prove its worth by using #videogames, but where has that gotten us? (here's a tip, nowhere!)
Personally I think the Minecraft channel and the LoL channel should swap, because like I said, nobody really talks about Minecraft on osu!.
On the other hand though, I think LoL would be good, but only if people are going to use it. If people actually use the channel then it would be a great success. But if people don't use it, it would just end up like #videogames and #minecraft, pointless. However, if we actually tell people to go to the #LoL channel, then I'm sure they would other then going to #videogames, because it's a dedicated channel made for LoL only, so people wouldn't have to distract others with other games.
minecraft has a osu! serverOMGPingu wrote:
Sorry for going a little bit off topic but then on topic, but I don't actually get why there's a Minecraft Channel. Out of all my time on osu!, I've never seen anyone talk about Minecraft on the channel, nor in any other channels such as #osu and #lobby. The Minecraft channel is just mainly sitting there...doing nothing.
Personally I think the Minecraft channel and the LoL channel should swap, because like I said, nobody really talks about Minecraft on osu!.
t/125812 <- outdated
t/189851 <- still being worked on
Not sure what you're trying to say when you argue that LoL isn't a video game, it is. Saying that it's an MMO doesn't mean anything, it just means it's a game that's massively multiplayer :/Sulker wrote:
I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.
Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
I don't stalk that room enough to really put forward anything solid tbh, but the few times i've looked it's either a dead channel or people are talking about games other than LoL. Trying to segregate the people who play league and don't seems silly imo, but that's just me.
Maeglwn
do you not look in any channels then? because all #osu is too is random people talking about leagueTekklorn wrote:
Not sure what you're trying to say when you argue that LoL isn't a video game, it is. Saying that it's an MMO doesn't mean anything, it just means it's a game that's massively multiplayer :/Sulker wrote:
I can agree with Maeglwn with the point of seperate LoL users in their own channel due to really people don't classify LoL as a "Video Game", it an MMo. It also appeal to them to having their own channel. I am pretty sure if you just put a time period of adding in the game, it will be popular.
Oh and note: #videogames is sometimes active...well most of the time. I am usually there sometimes stalking and looking into the chat.
I don't stalk that room enough to really put forward anything solid tbh, but the few times i've looked it's either a dead channel or people are talking about games other than LoL. Trying to segregate the people who play league and don't seems silly imo, but that's just me.
I'm starting to feel like you're just arguing for the chance to argue away a #league channel, #videogames lately has been active but full of people asking for league stuff. nobody wants to go there because of it
pretty much this.Maeglwn wrote:
you need to look at it from the consumer standpoint. if it's named #league, it's going to pull in league players.
Gotta admit it doesn't feel "right" but I can only see benefits from adding this chan.
why would people from a specific videogame need their own channel? why dont we make a seperate channel for every videogame then?
if they talk about LoL in #osu kindly point them to #videogames and if they dont listen then silence them, i'm sure they will learn from that.
if they talk about LoL in #osu kindly point them to #videogames and if they dont listen then silence them, i'm sure they will learn from that.
Maeglwn
sigh.silmarilen wrote:
why would people from a specific videogame need their own channel? why dont we make a seperate channel for every videogame then?
if they talk about LoL in #osu kindly point them to #videogames and if they dont listen then silence them, i'm sure they will learn from that.
So there's my slightly angry, redundant, probably going to be marked invalid feature request. I invite anybody to give me a decent reason other than "this has been suggested" or "#videogames exists already" or "there's no reason to give a game its own channel when we have #videogames, that would mean we would have to give every game its own channel" (because if you seriously think that you're avoiding the issue and not admitting the impact league has on the community).
why do we need other reasons? saying that in your OP doesnt make it any less true.
Maeglwn
silmarilen wrote:
saying that in your OP doesnt make it any less true.
Maeglwn
that's like saying my opening post doesn't mean anything
the point being is that league is so much more massive and so much more of a presence than any other regular "video games" that it deserves its own channel solely because of the impact it has. nobody wants a channel for asteroids, people want a channel for league. why? because it's a presence. can you think of any other random games that have the impact that league does? cause I can't (excluding other mobas)
the point being is that league is so much more massive and so much more of a presence than any other regular "video games" that it deserves its own channel solely because of the impact it has. nobody wants a channel for asteroids, people want a channel for league. why? because it's a presence. can you think of any other random games that have the impact that league does? cause I can't (excluding other mobas)
i still dont see how a game being played more than other games would make it have such an "impact" (what do you even mean with this?) that it would justify being given its own channel.
Maeglwn
it's not just the fact that it's played more. I mean impact by how it changed the osu community. do you think that the community would still be the same if league didn't exist? if none of the streamers played osu inbetween games and garnered the massive amount of viewers and players that the game has now?silmarilen wrote:
i still dont see how a game being played more than other games would make it have such an "impact" (what do you even mean with this?) that it would justify being given its own channel.
like I'm aware that you don't really go into #osu or #videogames but both channels definitely feel that whole "league player impact" that I've been trying to explain to you. if you're not understanding it, you should really go reread the OP, that's all I can say.
This is osu!, not a public chat to discuss games like League. You can go to #videogames for that matter.
Coffee Hero
Maeglwn
In my opinion this would help for the daily #osu LoL flood.
Players / mods could just forward the discussions into #league.
Players / mods could just forward the discussions into #league.
Please note I'm not against this in any way what-so-ever. But...
You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
Maeglwn
uhGiralda wrote:
Please note I'm not against this in any way what-so-ever. But...
You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
moderate it?
twitch chats aren't nearly as well moderated as osu is (as much as I hate to admit that because I think the mods here are bad 90% of the time)have you seen #osu when Blaze is on? it's actually pretty okay when somebody's doing a good job.
Okay take my stars. I entirely ruled Blaze out of the equation by accident. How stupid of me.
no stars but support
i play league myself and its a shitfuck community
let them circlejerk the shit out of their own chatroom
i play league myself and its a shitfuck community
let them circlejerk the shit out of their own chatroom
For that, there will need to be a mod willing to moderate it.Maeglwn wrote:
uhGiralda wrote:
Please note I'm not against this in any way what-so-ever. But...
You are aware of how awful the League community is, but are willing to support a #league channel specifically for them. From past experience, League channels have often been pretty bad (prime examples being Twitch chats, which most of us are aware of how chaotic it can become, and League of Legends integrated group chats). My main concern is, do you think there are ways that we could prevent a #league channel turning into a chaotic mess every day similar to the above mentioned examples?
moderate it?
have you seen #osu when Blaze is on? it's actually pretty okay when somebody's doing a good job.
Maeglwn
I chuckled a bit after reading thisGiralda wrote:
Okay take my stars. I entirely ruled Blaze out of the equation by accident. How stupid of me.
Maeglwn
well I mean it's completely true, blaze is the only mod in #osu that actually seems to do anything everSulker wrote:
I chuckled a bit after reading thisGiralda wrote:
Okay take my stars. I entirely ruled Blaze out of the equation by accident. How stupid of me.
or used to, now it's just a cesspool of bad
you have my stars!
DeletedUser_4041880
Oh dear god no. If you want to talk about league, go play league. Or use #videogames.. it's always empty anyways.
Frostei wrote:
You can just talk about League in the #videogames channel >_>
Kami Kun
Mikelicious wrote:
Frostei wrote:
You can just talk about League in the #videogames channel >_>
1st ) If you don't speak english you can't. Because #videogames it's only english.
2nd ) There should be a #League Channel for many reasons, we don't want to have channels like #spanish full of people talking abotu lol.