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YGOkid8

No Dap wrote:

Says who? I love how almost everyone in this game thinks beinngers have 0 rhythmical sense or whatsoever
one of many reasons why osu! has a rather steep learning curve is reading of approach circles. having got a decent chunk of my friends to play osu! (~10), the first two things they always have trouble is 1. mouse control and 2. how the heck to read approach circles. it's why we generally avoid 1/2 rhythms in easies, because it makes learning how to read osu! all that much harder.

i agree that the easy here is very challenging, but did not bring it up because difficulty curve wise, it fits in with the rest of the map and lowering the difficulties of easy would only increase the gap to normal, and lowering normal alongside easy would increase gap to hard.

what i can suggest here as a compromise is to make a Beginner diff to compensate for Easy's high difficulty. i'm sure none of us should have any objections to that? [ Zzz ] gets to keep his diffs the way he likes them, while we have a difficulty more suited for beginners.

in the meantime i suggest you (No Dap you can help him if needed) find some good timers to check the timing of the map. i would suggest charles, but he seems to be busy and i'm not really free enough to hunt down timers for you, so all on you guys as well as discussing the possibility of beginner diff.
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]
Hmm..

If the Now Not the Problems Updates Since the Not resolved Unless.

I Beginner difficulty More I will.

I Accurate Timing I would like to know.

:3

No Dap / 하아 ... 일단 자꾸 1/2 언급하길래 .. 오늘 아침에 다시 이지를 보면서 히트사운드랑 이런저런거 만지다가 생각한건데 .. 시간이 남기도 하고 .. 그래서 리맵까진 아니고 .. 조금 부분리맵 한듯싶네요 .. 더이상 그냥 이런저런말 듣기도 싫고 ... 왠만하면 일정량 지키는식으로 만들어야겠네요 .. 앞으로는 ... 번거롭게 하신점 .. 죄송합니다..

그리고 괜히 신중하게 선택안하고 안바꾼다했다가 바꾼것도요 ..

할말이 없네요 ..
DeletedUser_3044645
@zzz 지금 이지보다 쉬운 비기너 난이도를 만들어서 난이도 분배를 더 잘하게 하는걸 추천한다고 하네요. 그리고 타이밍 체크 잘하는애한테도 한번 받아보라고 하고요.

그리고 오시면 저기에 영어 쓰신거 뭐라고 하려고 하신거였는지 말씀좀... ygo가 이해를 못하겠데요.

Edit : @YGO

I talked to Zzz, and he says he remapped easy a bit (which I told you already) and wants you to check and see if he would still need a beginner diff.

Also he will find someone for timing check. Thank you for being active on this map :>
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]
19 / 04 / 2014

13:00 / Beginner done

NC , 01:03:189 (1,2) - Change

CS 2 HP 1 AR 2 OD 1
YGOkid8
the whole reason for getting a beginner diff to begin with was because the 1/2 rhythms were way too challenging in Easy. you should be using 1/1 beats rarely, and 1/2 beats never, unless necessary.

http://puu.sh/8evYu.osu <- this is around the difficulty your beginner should be. rare usage of 1/1, and 1/2's only when necessary. the diff looks messy because i made it in literally 40 minutes, but it should show you what your rhythm usage should be like.
DeletedUser_3044645
@ygo In case you're wondering why other diffs are changed, I suggested him to increase the volume on the last spinner so the finish is actually audible.

IRC modded beginner diff..
23:33 [ Zzz ]: 하...
23:33 [ Zzz ]: 비기너 다만듬
23:33 [ Zzz ]: ㅠㅠㅠㅠ
23:33 No Dap: ㅊㅋㅊㅋ
23:34 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅇㅠ
00:01 No Dap: ygo가 체크하네요
00:01 No Dap: 근대 비기너 새로만든거라서 역시 모딩좀 받으라고 할거같은데
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 네
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 해달랬어여
00:01 [ Zzz ]: ..
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 노답님이 해주시겠죠
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 헤헤
00:01 [ Zzz ]: ㅋㅋㅋ
00:01 *[ Zzz ] is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/406407 Hashimoto Miyuki - New SPARKS! (TV Size)]
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 한번만 봐주세여
00:01 No Dap: 전 이미 해석하느라 충분히 도와드렷다 생각함...
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 비기너
00:01 No Dap: ㅇㅋ
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 어떤지
00:01 [ Zzz ]: 그냥 보기만 ㅇㅇ.
00:02 [ Zzz ]: 해석만으로도 감지덕지 ..
00:02 [ Zzz ]: ㅠㅠ
00:02 [ Zzz ]: 쿠도스 필요하실때 드려야겠음 :#
00:02 [ Zzz ]: :3
00:02 No Dap: ㅋㅋ
00:02 [ Zzz ]: 거기다가
00:02 [ Zzz ]: 블랙불릿 3개쏴주시고
00:02 [ Zzz ]: 흑흑..
00:02 No Dap: 00:07:301 (1,1) - 이거
00:02 No Dap: 비기너난이도인데 절대언랭
00:03 No Dap: 제가볼땐
00:03 [ Zzz ]: 헉..
00:03 No Dap: 보컬 끝날때 딱하는게 좋을거같아요
00:03 No Dap: 00:09:642 - 여기
00:03 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ 변경
00:05 No Dap: 비기너난이도는
00:05 No Dap: 기본휘슬 쓰는게 더 좋을거같은데 개인적으로
00:05 No Dap: 잘 들리지도 않고 지금 쓰시는 베이스
00:05 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ
00:06 No Dap: 01:16:541 (3) - DS 체크
00:07 [ Zzz ]: 어
00:07 [ Zzz ]: 그러네요 ㅋ
00:08 No Dap: 00:23:958 - 여기
00:08 No Dap: 볼륨좀 올려주세요
00:08 No Dap: 진짜 안들림
00:08 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ
00:09 [ Zzz ]: 더 좋아진듯
00:09 [ Zzz ]: :3
00:09 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ
00:09 [ Zzz ]: 10%
00:10 No Dap: 00:54:123 (1) - 스피너 피니쉬 어때요
00:10 No Dap: 01:13:244 (1) - 꼬리에 피니쉬?
00:11 [ Zzz ]: 잠시
00:11 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ
00:12 [ Zzz ]: nc 2로 바꾸고
00:12 [ Zzz ]: 휘슬제거했어요
00:12 [ Zzz ]: 여기엔
00:12 No Dap: 01:17:695 (4) - 이것도 안좋네요
00:12 [ Zzz ]: 그리고 올 수정
00:12 [ Zzz ]: :3
00:12 [ Zzz ]: 흠..
00:12 No Dap: 슬라이더가 너무 짧은데다가
00:12 [ Zzz ]: 어떻게바꾸면 좋을까요 저걸
00:12 No Dap: BPM도 높기때문에
00:12 No Dap: 못읽어요 초보자들
00:12 No Dap: 2/1 슬라가 제일 무난하죠
00:13 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ 바꿈
00:13 No Dap: 01:28:409 - 볼륨 5%인데
00:13 No Dap: 좀 높히고 피니쉬 들리게 하는게 좋을듯
00:14 [ Zzz ]: 50%
00:14 No Dap: 다른난이도들도 마찬가지
00:14 [ Zzz ]: 변경
00:14 *No Dap is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/385068 Hashimoto Miyuki - New SPARKS! (TV Size) [Easy]]
00:14 [ Zzz ]: ㅇㅋ
00:15 No Dap: 그게 다인듯 대충봤을땐
00:16 No Dap: 다른난이도 왜 업뎃 뜨는지는 제가 설명할게요 ygo한테
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]
Done
HabiHolic
맵 나중에 한번 봐드릴게요
YGOkid8
Beginner:
00:07:301 (1) - Start spinner on big white tick so it's more consistent with how the diff is mapped.
00:10:772 (1) - I know you like straight sliders, but due to length it doesn't really look nice here. A curve would be better imo. Furthermore, I would take off the repeat and just leave a gap there, as it does go silent in the music except for the vocals.
00:13:739 (2,3,4,5) - Avoid mapping to white ticks 2 and 4 like you do, it doesn't really fit the music. For the intro, I would suggest a rhythm more like this:



00:31:870 (3) - The gap after the slider feels very empty. I suggest extending the slider by 1/1, then adding a repeat on it. Fits more.
00:34:837 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Again avoid mapping on white ticks 2 and 4 like this.
00:49:343 (5,6,1,2,3) - Same here.
00:54:123 (1) - Same as the first spinner.
01:08:793 (2) - Removing a repeat and adding a hitcircle on the big white tick fits better imo.
01:12:750 (1) - Do this rhythm instead:



01:25:277 (5) - Since this is the only time you use a 1/1 slider in the diff, I would suggest not doing so. Just use a hitcircle instead.
DeletedUser_3044645

YGOkid8 wrote:

Beginner:
00:07:301 (1) - Start spinner on big white tick so it's more consistent with how the diff is mapped. Vocal starts on red tick
00:10:772 (1) - I know you like straight sliders, but due to length it doesn't really look nice here. A curve would be better imo. Furthermore, I would take off the repeat and just leave a gap there, as it does go silent in the music except for the vocals. Keeping the reverse, but I did change 00:13:739 (2,3,4,5) -
00:13:739 (2,3,4,5) - Avoid mapping to white ticks 2 and 4 like you do, it doesn't really fit the music. For the intro, I would suggest a rhythm more like this: ^



00:31:870 (3) - The gap after the slider feels very empty. I suggest extending the slider by 1/1, then adding a repeat on it. Fits more. fixed
00:34:837 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - Again avoid mapping on white ticks 2 and 4 like this. fixed
00:49:343 (5,6,1,2,3) - Same here. fixed
00:54:123 (1) - Same as the first spinner. vocal starts on red
01:08:793 (2) - Removing a repeat and adding a hitcircle on the big white tick fits better imo. fixed
01:12:750 (1) - Do this rhythm instead: fixed



01:25:277 (5) - Since this is the only time you use a 1/1 slider in the diff, I would suggest not doing so. Just use a hitcircle instead. ok
Jenny
Was asked to look at the Beginner, so here we go.


  1. 00:10:772 (1) - slider is very unbalanced (sliderpoints at 256|192, 328|192, 401|239, 489|239 work better)
  2. 00:28:574 (4) - playing rhythm gets weird here; there should be a click at 00:29:233
  3. 00:31:870 (3,4) - YGO was worried about this part, so I suggest you use a rhythm like this for the whole combo:
  4. 00:39:782 (1) - very close to HP bar
  5. 01:04:837 (3) - very unbalanced slider, similar to 00:10:772
  6. 01:07:804 (4,1) - swap new combo (remove from 1, add on 4)
  7. 01:23:629 (4) - very close to HP bar
YGOkid8
i don't understand how there can still be so many problems.

Beginner:
00:05:812 (3) - Ending on previous white tick is better.
00:07:301 (1) - Starting on big white tick is more consistent with rest of diff. Vocals may start on red tick, but it feels sudden when the rest of map is mapped predominantly to 2/1 or more.
00:14:728 (3) - Remove whistle from head.
00:16:046 (1) - Move backwards 1/1 so it starts on big white tick.
00:18:024 (2) - Start this 1/1 earlier, then extend so it ends in same place.
00:31:870 (3) - Extend length by 1/1. Keep repeat.
00:34:178 (4) - ^ After you do that, delete this and add a hitcircle 00:34:837 - here.
00:31:870 (3) - Remove repeat.
00:33:189 - Add 3/1 slider here (same length as previous slider).
00:34:508 (5) - Delete this.
00:35:497 (1) - Delete this too.
00:34:837 (4) - Add 3/1 slider here. Put a repeat on it.
00:37:145 (5) - End this 1/2 later.
00:38:793 (3) - Delete.
00:39:123 - Hitcircle here.
00:39:782 (1) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:43:739 - Add 2/1 slider here.
00:44:398 (4) - Delete this.
00:47:695 (3) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:49:013 - ^ After you do that, add a 2/1 slider here.
00:50:002 (1) - Shorten by 2/1, move forward in timeline by 1/1.
00:51:980 (2) - Move earlier by 1/1.
00:52:969 (3) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:54:123 (1) - Start on big white tick instead.
01:00:222 (4) - Extend by 1/2. Put a repeat on it.
01:01:376 (5) - Delete this.
01:02:200 - Hitcircle, or 2/1 slider here. Up to you.
01:03:519 (2) - Shorten by 1/1.
01:04:837 (3) - Extend by 1/2, keep repeat.
01:08:464 (1,2) - Move 1/1 earlier.
01:10:112 (3) - Extend slider to 01:11:266 - . Add repeat.
01:11:266 (4) - Delete this.
01:12:750 (1) - You put a repeat in the beginning, so do it here as well. Otherwise, remove the repeat in the beginning.
01:15:057 (2) - ^ If you do that, delete.
01:17:035 (4) - Start earlier by 1/1. Extend length by 1/1.
01:18:024 (5) - Extend by 1/2.
01:20:662 (1,2,3,4,5) - What have I said about mapping on ticks 2 and 4 like this... furthermore rhythm is inconsistent with 00:13:409 (2,3,1,2) - . The rhythm changes I told you to do in the beginning do them here too.

If you do everything exactly as I tell you (and lay it out well as well), I will be able to get his map back on its way to a re-rank a lot faster. Otherwise we will be here for a long time.
DeletedUser_3044645

YGOkid8 wrote:

If you do everything exactly as I tell you (and lay it out well as well), I will be able to get his map back on its way to a re-rank a lot faster. Otherwise we will be here for a long time.
I can't believe you said this
Charles445
Uh, what's happening here?

DakeDekaane wrote:

1/2 are kinda unacceptable in Easy diffs (specially in high BPM like this one) because they're hard, yes, hard. Easy difficulties are meant to newbies learn to play and have the basics of the game, when they see close notes like 1/2, they will likely mash their mouse (or keyboard), which is not the purpose of Easy, you can do that in Normal.
You do realize all of the 1/2 used is transitioned to via a slider or empty space, and not two objects in a row? For example, 00:37:145 (4) - is a transition from white ticked mapping to red ticked mapping by using a slider. When done right this is intuitive, even for beginners, and makes the beat a whole lot more interesting.
1/2 has never been unacceptable in Easy diffs. Easy difficulties already struggle to be interesting, enforcing the use of 1/1 would kill any hope the dfficulties had in being interesting for beginners.
There was no need to force the mapper to make another difficulty.

For unrank reasons, the tickrate being 0.5 is a valid reason, but "the soft-hitnormal.wav is completely silent." As long as all of the placed objects make sounds it is fine. The mapper is using whistles, finishes, and claps to manually hitsound every single object, so having the normal gone doesn't change much.


And this is a problem.

YGOkid8 wrote:

If you do everything exactly as I tell you (and lay it out well as well), I will be able to get his map back on its way to a re-rank a lot faster. Otherwise we will be here for a long time.
It was funny here when you were joking. In this scenario, it is unacceptable.
DakeDekaane
@Charles, I was referring to tapping in 1/2 (as in circle-slider), not 1/2 sliders, sorry if this caused a misunderstanding, a few days ago I had a tiny chat with [ Zzz ] after he changed the 1/2 circle-slider for 1/2 sliders, and then it was pretty good to go.

While I do agree an Easier diff wouldn't be needed after this, that diff doesn't hurt too much at all right? Might be dropping a small mod for it if needed.
YGOkid8
You do realize all of the 1/2 used is transitioned to via a slider or empty space, and not two objects in a row? For example, 00:37:145 (4) - is a transition from white ticked mapping to red ticked mapping by using a slider. When done right this is intuitive, even for beginners, and makes the beat a whole lot more interesting.
it's a lot more different on songs with higher bpm, such as this one. newbies struggle from several things, which in relevance here, are learning to read approach circles as well as simply keeping in time. all of the switching from 1/1 to 1/2 and back to 1/1 along with the high 182bpm already makes this a very, very challenging difficulty for easy. it's a normal diff in all regards.

to begin with, i only recommended the beginner diff. as i thought it'd round all the map spread very nicely. if you want to interpret it as forcing, then okay.

in regards to unrank, although all i said was "soft-hitnormal.wav is completely silent", there were several instances in the map where beats were left unhitsounded (and were therefore completely silent). that i should've pointed out.

in regards to my comment, it came out a lot more harsher than i intended it to be. previously when modding the Beginner difficulty, i had pointed out areas without much about how to fix them, giving the [ Zzz ] freedom on how to apply the changes. however doing so only brought about more issues within the diff, so i was giving precise and direct instructions to avoid more problems and to get the map back up to rank sooner.

in short, any malice you may sense from my comment was completely non-intentional, and i apologise as reading back i could've worded it a lot better. but believe me when i say i'm trying my hardest to polish up the difficulty as much as possible before re-rank.
DeletedUser_3044645
@쿨쿨. 찰스하고 얘기했는데 일단 이미 만든거는 어쩔수없으니 ygo모딩 보고 고칠수 있는대로 고치레요.

힘내시길 바랍니다. 정 해석이 안되시면 다시 불러주세요. 지금은 정말 짜증나서 못하겠네요..

@to people who plan to mod this map.

Please make your sentences as simple as possible so he can understand himself.

I have helped him translating your mods, and translating his answers enough.

I spent like 6 hours on this total, and I'm tired.
YGOkid8
i am aware, i have tried asking kawayi rika to take a look (as she is our only korean bat), but unfortunately have not been able to obtain a reply yet, so i will be sticking here a while longer. it is also why i decided to take a more direct approach. sorry again for my wording.
DeletedUser_3044645
No worries, I understand. I am also glad that you are very actively checking this mapset to help Zzz.

and Kawayi Rika has been pretty inactive because she is busy irl.. so I will be helping Zzz more :>

Edit: what is this
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

YGOkid8 wrote:

i don't understand how there can still be so many problems.

Beginner:
00:05:812 (3) - Ending on previous white tick is better.
00:07:301 (1) - Starting on big white tick is more consistent with rest of diff. Vocals may start on red tick, but it feels sudden when the rest of map is mapped predominantly to 2/1 or more.
00:14:728 (3) - Remove whistle from head.
00:16:046 (1) - Move backwards 1/1 so it starts on big white tick.
00:18:024 (2) - Start this 1/1 earlier, then extend so it ends in same place.
00:31:870 (3) - Extend length by 1/1. Keep repeat.
00:34:178 (4) - ^ After you do that, delete this and add a hitcircle 00:34:837 - here.
00:31:870 (3) - Remove repeat.
00:33:189 - Add 3/1 slider here (same length as previous slider).
00:34:508 (5) - Delete this.
00:35:497 (1) - Delete this too.
00:34:837 (4) - Add 3/1 slider here. Put a repeat on it.
00:37:145 (5) - End this 1/2 later.
00:38:793 (3) - Delete.
00:39:123 - Hitcircle here.
00:39:782 (1) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:43:739 - Add 2/1 slider here.
00:44:398 (4) - Delete this.
00:47:695 (3) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:49:013 - ^ After you do that, add a 2/1 slider here.
00:50:002 (1) - Shorten by 2/1, move forward in timeline by 1/1.
00:51:980 (2) - Move earlier by 1/1.
00:52:969 (3) - Shorten by 1/1.
00:54:123 (1) - Start on big white tick instead.
01:00:222 (4) - Extend by 1/2. Put a repeat on it.
01:01:376 (5) - Delete this.
01:02:200 - Hitcircle, or 2/1 slider here. Up to you.
01:03:519 (2) - Shorten by 1/1.
01:04:837 (3) - Extend by 1/2, keep repeat.
01:08:464 (1,2) - Move 1/1 earlier.
01:10:112 (3) - Extend slider to 01:11:266 - . Add repeat.
01:11:266 (4) - Delete this.
01:12:750 (1) - You put a repeat in the beginning, so do it here as well. Otherwise, remove the repeat in the beginning.
01:15:057 (2) - ^ If you do that, delete.
01:17:035 (4) - Start earlier by 1/1. Extend length by 1/1.
01:18:024 (5) - Extend by 1/2.
01:20:662 (1,2,3,4,5) - What have I said about mapping on ticks 2 and 4 like this... furthermore rhythm is inconsistent with 00:13:409 (2,3,1,2) - . The rhythm changes I told you to do in the beginning do them here too.

If you do everything exactly as I tell you (and lay it out well as well), I will be able to get his map back on its way to a re-rank a lot faster. Otherwise we will be here for a long time.
No change


YGO
00:07:514 (1) -
00:14:728 (3) -
00:54:288 (1) -
Done

Rika
01:02:859 (1) -
01:18:024 (5) -
00:51:980 (2,3) -
Done

i don't think i need to change
this
Lari
학교에서 폰으로 왔어요 근데 이미 다 끝난거 같기는 한데
혹시모르니 번역받은거 올릴게요




Beginner
00:05:812 (3) - 하얀선에서 끝나는게 더 나음
00:07:301 (1) - 큰 하얀선에서부터 시작하는게 이 난이도에 더 맞음. 보컬은 레드선에서 시작해도되지만 나머지가 주로 2/1 이상으로 맵 되잇으면 이상함
00:14:728 (3) - 헤드에서 휘슬 뺄것 (슬라이더 말하는거같은데 슬라이더 시작에서 빼라는듯)
00:16:046 (1) - 1/1 빼서 큰 하얀선에서 시작하도록 변경
00:18:024 (2) - 1/1 더 빠르게 변경하고 같은 자리에서 끝나도록 조금 늘릴것
00:31:870 (3) - 길이를 1/1 더 늘리고 리핏은 그대로
00:34:178 (4) - ^ 위에것 하면 이걸 지우고 00:34:837 이곳에 힛서클 추가
00:31:870 (3) - 리핏 제거
00:33:189 - 3/1 슬라이더 추가 (전의 슬라이더와 같은길이)
00:34:508 (5) - 삭제
00:35:497 (1) - ^
00:34:837 (4) - 3/1 슬라이더 추가하고 리핏도 같이 추가
00:37:145 (5) - 1/2 더 빠르게 엔딩
00:38:793 (3) - 삭제
00:39:123 - 힛서클 추가
00:39:782 (1) - 1/1 만큼 줄일것
00:43:739 - 2/1 슬라이더 추가
00:44:398 (4) - 삭제
00:47:695 (3) - 1/1 만치 줄일것
00:49:013 - ^ 이거 한 후에 여기에 2/1 슬라이더 추가
00:50:002 (1) - 2/1 만큼 축소후 타임라인에서 1/1 만치 앞으로 당길것
00:51:980 (2) - 1/1 만치 앞으로 당길것
00:52:969 (3) - 1/1 만치 축소
00:54:123 (1) - 큰 하얀줄에서 시작
01:00:222 (4) - 1/2 만치 늘리고 리핏추가
01:01:376 (5) - 삭제
01:02:200 - 힛서클이나 2/1 슬라이더. 선택은 자유
01:03:519 (2) - 1/1 만치 축소
01:04:837 (3) - 1/2 만치 늘리고 리핏은 그대로
01:08:464 (1,2) - 1/1 만치 앞으로 당길것
01:10:112 (3) - 이 슬라이더를 01:11:266 까지 늘리고 리핏추가
01:11:266 (4) - 삭제
01:12:750 (1) - 초반에 리핏을 넣엇으므로 여기에도 그렇게 하거나 처음의 리핏을 삭제
01:15:057 (2) - ^ 위에것을 햇다면 삭제
01:17:035 (4) - 1/1 만치 앞으로 당기고 1/1 만치 늘릴것
01:18:024 (5) - 1/2 만치 늘릴것
01:20:662 (1,2,3,4,5) - 2, 4번째 줄에 매핑하지말라고 햇엇는데.. 그리고 리듬이 00:13:409 (2,3,1,2) 와 맞지않음. 초반에 언급햇던 리듬체인지를 여기도 적용
YGOkid8
i think i made some errors in my mod post, specifically this bit since i mention the same spots and backtrack as well:

00:31:870 (3) - Extend length by 1/1. Keep repeat.
00:34:178 (4) - ^ After you do that, delete this and add a hitcircle 00:34:837 - here.
00:31:870 (3) - Remove repeat.
00:33:189 - Add 3/1 slider here (same length as previous slider).
00:34:508 (5) - Delete this.
but i'll check diff again when i have time.
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

YGOkid8 wrote:

i think i made some errors in my mod post, specifically this bit since i mention the same spots and backtrack as well:

00:31:870 (3) - Extend length by 1/1. Keep repeat.
00:34:178 (4) - ^ After you do that, delete this and add a hitcircle 00:34:837 - here.
00:31:870 (3) - Remove repeat.
00:33:189 - Add 3/1 slider here (same length as previous slider).
00:34:508 (5) - Delete this.
but i'll check diff again when i have time.
...
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]
updated done.

offset -15
YGOkid8
still not very happy with things, but doesn't look like i can convince you to change.

rebubbled then~
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

YGOkid8 wrote:

still not very happy with things, but doesn't look like i can convince you to change.

rebubbled then~
Thanks :D
Garven
Did a little bit of IRC modding.

SPOILER
2014-05-25 22:45 Garven: Okay, so Beginner
2014-05-25 22:45 Garven: 00:13:394 (2) - New combo
2014-05-25 22:45 [ Zzz ]: easy difficulty level is difficult. > Add Beginner
2014-05-25 22:45 [ Zzz ]: :3
2014-05-25 22:46 Garven: Ah
2014-05-25 22:46 [ Zzz ]: 00:13:394 (1) - Done!
2014-05-25 22:47 Garven: I think deleting 00:28:559 (4) - and starting a new slider or circle at 00:29:218 - would work better. http://puu.sh/91yLq/77bac8ffc3.jpg
2014-05-25 22:47 [ Zzz ]: OK
2014-05-25 22:48 [ Zzz ]: Done!
2014-05-25 22:49 Garven: 00:49:987 (1) - Maybe delete and do something like this: http://puu.sh/91yT7/dc26ddff0f.jpg
2014-05-25 22:49 Garven: 01:00:207 (4,5) - This is kind of a weird rhythm to do. Hmmm
2014-05-25 22:50 Garven: Maybe like this? http://puu.sh/91yXM/c26b54b7db.jpg
2014-05-25 22:52 Garven: 01:07:789 (5) - New combo should be here
2014-05-25 22:53 Garven: 01:18:009 (5) - Extend this slider to 01:19:163 - http://puu.sh/91z64/9540df283d.jpg
2014-05-25 22:59 [ Zzz ]: 01 18
2014-05-25 22:59 [ Zzz ]: http://puu.sh/91zoD.jpg
2014-05-25 23:00 [ Zzz ]: oh
2014-05-25 23:00 [ Zzz ]: you mod Better!
2014-05-25 23:00 [ Zzz ]: good!
2014-05-25 23:01 [ Zzz ]: http://puu.sh/91zuJ.jpg
2014-05-25 23:01 [ Zzz ]: Done!
2014-05-25 23:02 [ Zzz ]: Beginner End?
2014-05-25 23:03 Garven: Yeah
2014-05-25 23:03 Garven: Checking Easy now
2014-05-25 23:03 [ Zzz ]: :3
2014-05-25 23:03 [ Zzz ]: ok~ :3
2014-05-25 23:03 Garven: 00:16:031 (1,2,3,4) - This is really complex for an Easy...
2014-05-25 23:04 Garven: Maybe rework to something like this? http://puu.sh/91zFU/4709e43f2d.jpg
2014-05-25 23:05 [ Zzz ]: oh
2014-05-25 23:05 [ Zzz ]: Good!
2014-05-25 23:05 [ Zzz ]: Done!
2014-05-25 23:07 Garven: Ah, have to go for a few minutes. brb
2014-05-25 23:08 [ Zzz ]: :#
2014-05-25 23:08 [ Zzz ]: ok:3
2014-05-25 23:11 Garven: Maybe change this a bit. 00:38:284 (6) - http://puu.sh/91zZ0/0bc2e299b4.jpg
2014-05-25 23:11 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-25 23:11 Garven: 00:48:339 (5,1) - This is too difficult for a rhythm change on a stack
2014-05-25 23:11 Garven: Hm
2014-05-25 23:12 Garven: Maybe change to a slider http://puu.sh/91A2g/411d57cc43.jpg
2014-05-25 23:13 Garven: This feels like you're trying to continue the rhythm too quickly. Maybe try like this: http://puu.sh/91A5T/246d45f44f.jpg
2014-05-25 23:13 Garven: 01:10:921 (2) - Try to avoid using short repeating sliders like this in Easy difficulties.
2014-05-25 23:14 Garven: Simplifying to 2 circles should be ok. http://puu.sh/91A85/2dfbf5a75d.jpg
2014-05-25 23:14 Garven: 01:15:372 (1,2,3,4) - This is like the first part at 00:16:031 (1,2,3,4) -
2014-05-25 23:14 Garven: Try to simplify it.
2014-05-25 23:15 Garven: 01:21:306 (1) - This is way too soon after a spinner in an Easy. It might be better to map through this spinner since it's really short already.
2014-05-25 23:15 [ Zzz ]: :3
2014-05-25 23:15 [ Zzz ]: Good!
2014-05-25 23:22 [ Zzz ]: easy Done!
2014-05-25 23:25 Garven: Ah sorry
2014-05-25 23:25 Garven: Half here half not haha
2014-05-25 23:25 [ Zzz ]: haha
2014-05-25 23:25 [ Zzz ]: All right haha
2014-05-25 23:25 [ Zzz ]: :D
2014-05-25 23:26 Garven: Normal
2014-05-25 23:26 Garven: 00:10:052 (1) - Way too soon after a spinner for a Normal
2014-05-25 23:26 Garven: Give about 2 beats for recovery
2014-05-25 23:26 Garven: Especially at this high BPM
2014-05-25 23:27 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-25 23:27 Garven: 00:33:174 (5,6) - Maybe try this rhythm: http://puu.sh/91ASh/0029702d7b.jpg
2014-05-25 23:28 Garven: 00:47:680 (1) - Instead of a slider, try just a circle. http://puu.sh/91AWd/244fad6402.jpg
2014-05-25 23:29 Garven: Gives a better emphasis to the cymbals.
2014-05-25 23:29 Garven: 01:08:119 (2) - Missing hitsound
2014-05-25 23:30 Garven: Hard:
2014-05-25 23:30 Garven: OD +1 or 2
2014-05-25 23:31 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-25 23:31 Garven: The beginning isn't timed well
2014-05-25 23:31 Garven: Need to find the timing. Hold one
2014-05-25 23:32 Garven: on*
2014-05-25 23:33 [ Zzz ]: T_T.. Timing
2014-05-25 23:34 [ Zzz ]: YGO / Timing > ./me run !
2014-05-25 23:34 [ Zzz ]: wwww
2014-05-25 23:36 Garven: Try this: http://puu.sh/91Bmz/6179d2e7fc.png
2014-05-25 23:38 Garven: This one needs to omit the first barline too. http://puu.sh/91Bs2/4f4512d054.png
2014-05-25 23:39 [ Zzz ]: red all?
2014-05-25 23:39 Garven: Yes
2014-05-25 23:39 Garven: I'm having someone double check, but I think this is better than before
2014-05-25 23:43 [ Zzz ]: I think so, too!
2014-05-25 23:43 Garven: Frosty is checking it once he can download, so please wait on the timing
2014-05-25 23:43 Garven: In Hard:
2014-05-25 23:43 Garven: 00:44:383 (5,1,2,1) - This spacing is tricky
2014-05-25 23:44 Garven: (Referring to the 1 -> 2 -> 1
2014-05-25 23:44 Garven: 00:55:180 (9,10,11,12,13,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - Stop using so many streams
2014-05-25 23:44 Garven: This is a Hard, not an Insane
2014-05-25 23:44 [ Zzz ]: oh.
2014-05-25 23:47 [ Zzz ]: 11 > 6
2014-05-25 23:47 [ Zzz ]: stream
2014-05-25 23:48 Garven: Yeah, not much else in the Hard
2014-05-25 23:48 Garven: Just too many streams.
2014-05-25 23:49 Garven: Try to reduce their use to unly during big transition parts
2014-05-25 23:49 [ Zzz ]: :3
2014-05-25 23:49 to only *
2014-05-25 23:49 Garven: It feels more like an Insane instead of a Hard because of them.
2014-05-25 23:49 [ Zzz ]: !!
2014-05-25 23:50 Garven: Insane:
2014-05-25 23:50 Garven: 00:16:691 (3,4,5,1,2,3,4) - No thank you
2014-05-25 23:50 Garven: Make the spacing visually different
2014-05-25 23:50 Garven: Right now the 1/2 and 1/4 rhythms are visually identical, but are completely different snapping.
2014-05-25 23:50 [ Zzz ]: umm..
2014-05-25 23:50 [ Zzz ]: 3/4 ..
2014-05-25 23:50 Garven: Also having the ends of the sliders silent makes it play poorly.
2014-05-25 23:50 [ Zzz ]: @_@
2014-05-25 23:51 [ Zzz ]: hmm..
2014-05-25 23:51 [ Zzz ]: re mapping?
2014-05-25 23:52 Garven: Make it so that the 1/2 circles and the 3/4 sliders don't look the same.
2014-05-25 23:52 Garven: I personally dislike 3/4 sliders - especially used like this, but I won't say you can't have them at all.
2014-05-25 23:55 [ Zzz ]: Do I need to change all of the 3/4slider?
2014-05-25 23:56 Garven: Well first, why did you use them?
2014-05-25 23:56 Garven: Because right now they aren't following the music much.
2014-05-25 23:59 [ Zzz ]: umm..
2014-05-26 00:00 [ Zzz ]: The beat is not I think a better ... while 3/4 .. This Bad timing, but did not know I wrote.
2014-05-26 00:00 [ Zzz ]: sorry ..
2014-05-26 00:01 Garven: Well, I'm just wondering why you would want the end of a slider at 00:17:432 - 00:17:762 - and 00:18:092 - since there isn't anything there in the song
2014-05-26 00:01 Garven: You even silenced the ends of them to signify that there isn't really anything you're particularly following.
2014-05-26 00:04 [ Zzz ]: ...
2014-05-26 00:05 [ Zzz ]: sorry..
2014-05-26 00:05 Garven: Okay, Frost is saying +18 on all timing
2014-05-26 00:05 Garven: Even the ones I gave you
2014-05-26 00:05 [ Zzz ]: offset + 18?
2014-05-26 00:06 Garven: Looks like someone else is trying their own timing
2014-05-26 00:06 Garven: I'll let him post his findings when he finishes
2014-05-26 00:08 Garven: 00:28:559 (6,7) - :/
2014-05-26 00:09 Garven: 01:00:537 (1,2,3) - Another instance of bad spacing from 1/2 to 1/4 rhythms
2014-05-26 00:09 Garven: 01:05:976 (6) - The whistle intended on the sliderbody here?
2014-05-26 00:10 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-26 00:10 [ Zzz ]: all 3/4 > 1/2 or 1/4
2014-05-26 00:10 [ Zzz ]: change :3
2014-05-26 00:10 [ Zzz ]: +
2014-05-26 00:10 [ Zzz ]: following 5% delete
2014-05-26 00:30 [ Zzz ]: 00:52:972 (3,4,5,6,7) - Anything is should I change it?
2014-05-26 00:36 Garven: That one isn't too bad
2014-05-26 00:36 Garven: Still not great, but not that bad
2014-05-26 00:36 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-26 00:40 Garven: Okay, that second timer only gave offset for the last offset >_>
2014-05-26 00:40 [ Zzz ]: :#
2014-05-26 00:40 [ Zzz ]: :3~
2014-05-26 00:40 Garven: Which is +13, so 10770
2014-05-26 00:41 Garven: I think that's fine
2014-05-26 00:41 Garven: But I think the other lines in the beginning are good where they are
2014-05-26 00:43 [ Zzz ]: off set
2014-05-26 00:43 [ Zzz ]: Done!
2014-05-26 00:43 Garven: Okay
2014-05-26 00:43 Garven: Please upload and I'll recheck
2014-05-26 00:43 [ Zzz ]: 3/4 > 1/2
2014-05-26 00:43 [ Zzz ]: 57%
2014-05-26 00:44 [ Zzz ]: Update now?
2014-05-26 00:44 Garven: Oh
2014-05-26 00:44 Garven: Do all your fixes first
2014-05-26 00:44 Garven: Let me know when it's uploaded
2014-05-26 00:44 Garven: I'll be going to sleep soon, so I'll try to check when I have time again
2014-05-26 00:46 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-26 00:46 [ Zzz ]: 10~15Minute
2014-05-26 00:46 [ Zzz ]: *minutes
2014-05-26 00:48 Garven: Hey, did sayonara-bye post something bad in #korean?
2014-05-26 00:51 [ Zzz ]: Accidentally sent to a bad end.
2014-05-26 00:51 Garven: Hm, okay
2014-05-26 00:52 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-26 01:06 [ Zzz ]: 82%
2014-05-26 01:18 [ Zzz ]: DONE
2014-05-26 01:18 Garven: ~
2014-05-26 01:18 Garven: Almost asleep q:
2014-05-26 01:18 [ Zzz ]: 'A'!
2014-05-26 01:19 [ Zzz ]: viewtopic.php?t=193189&start=&
2014-05-26 01:19 [ Zzz ]: Re ~
2014-05-26 01:20 [ Zzz ]: I hit sound :3
2014-05-26 01:20 Garven: Alright, cool
2014-05-26 01:20 Garven: I'll check when I can
2014-05-26 01:20 Garven: I don't know if I can do it today
2014-05-26 01:20 Garven: It's 01:20 D:
2014-05-26 01:20 [ Zzz ]: :3
2014-05-26 01:20 [ Zzz ]: .
2014-05-26 01:28 Garven: Hm
2014-05-26 01:28 Garven: With the red lines
2014-05-26 01:28 Garven: You only needed to do the "Omit first barline" on 00:05:846
2014-05-26 01:28 Garven: All the other ones need it unchecked
2014-05-26 01:29 [ Zzz ]: 05 846?
2014-05-26 01:29 Garven: ONLY that one needs "omit first barline" checked
2014-05-26 01:30 Garven: All others need it unchecked
2014-05-26 01:30 [ Zzz ]: ok
2014-05-26 01:31 Garven: Also check AIMod in the Insane. Everything is unsnapped and the timing sections are different from the other difficulties D:
2014-05-26 01:32 [ Zzz ]: ..
2014-05-26 01:37 Garven: In beginner, you should add hitsounds to 01:18:022 (5) -
2014-05-26 01:40 Garven: In Easy, 01:11:430 (2) - might be better as a circle. Right now the rhythm doesn't fit very well. Maybe try a circle at 01:11:264 -
2014-05-26 01:40 Garven: 01:18:353 (5,6) - missing hitsounds
2014-05-26 01:40 [ Zzz ]: Insane done
2014-05-26 01:40 Garven: Normal: 00:34:010 (6,7) - Missing hitsounds
2014-05-26 01:43 Garven: Insane: 00:06:489 (3) - This is missing hitsounds
2014-05-26 01:43 Garven: Can you update the Insane? I can't really mod it the way it is now
2014-05-26 01:45 [ Zzz ]: http://puu.sh/91Hhv.png
2014-05-26 01:45 [ Zzz ]: 2 point ?
2014-05-26 01:45 [ Zzz ]: change ?
2014-05-26 01:46 Garven: Yes
2014-05-26 01:46 Garven: http://puu.sh/91Hmk/0bb2cfa64c.png
2014-05-26 01:46 Garven: It should have these same ones
2014-05-26 01:47 Garven: And no AI Mod errors
2014-05-26 01:48 Garven: I need to sleeeeep
2014-05-26 01:48 Garven: I'll recheck tomorrow, okay?
Garven
[Beginner]
00:29:231 (1) - Missing whistle
01:01:539 (5) - Try changing to this rhythm:

01:03:187 (2,3) - Try not to stack on a rhythm change like this. New players aren't going to read that well.

[Easy]
Why is the beginning not mapped?
00:29:232 (5) - New combo
01:02:199 (1) - Missing whistles
01:11:264 (6,7) - This is pretty awkward. Try something like this:


[Normal]
Why is the beginning not mapped?
01:25:440 (6) - Missing hitsounds?

[Hard]
00:39:368 (7,8,9,10,11) - This stream doesn't really fit the mapping up to this point. It just kind of comes out of nowhere.
00:55:357 (11,12,13) - I'd recommend deleting these
01:01:951 (9,10,11) - ^
01:07:226 (6,7,8) - ^
01:12:500 (9,10,11) - ^
01:15:220 (7,8) - ^
01:25:522 (6,8,10) - ^
A lot of these 1/4 rhythms really don't fit the Hard difficulty mold.

[Insane]
Set your first offset to 2406
I found this to play better with AR8. 9 feels forced here.
01:05:989 (6) - Get rid of the whistle on the sliderbody
01:25:934 (1) - ^
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

Garven wrote:

[Beginner]
00:29:231 (1) - Missing whistle
01:01:539 (5) - Try changing to this rhythm:

01:03:187 (2,3) - Try not to stack on a rhythm change like this. New players aren't going to read that well.

[Easy]
Why is the beginning not mapped?
00:29:232 (5) - New combo
01:02:199 (1) - Missing whistles
01:11:264 (6,7) - This is pretty awkward. Try something like this:


[Normal]
Why is the beginning not mapped?
01:25:440 (6) - Missing hitsounds?

All Fix

[Hard]
00:39:368 (7,8,9,10,11) - This stream doesn't really fit the mapping up to this point. It just kind of comes out of nowhere.
( But I agree with this comment.
Another problem is that do not agree with your opinion. (Good Beat Feeling lost)
I do not want.
00:55:357 (11,12,13) - I'd recommend deleting these
01:01:951 (9,10,11) - ^
01:07:226 (6,7,8) - ^
01:12:500 (9,10,11) - ^
01:15:220 (7,8) - ^
01:25:522 (6,8,10) - ^

A lot of these 1/4 rhythms really don't fit the Hard difficulty mold.

[Insane]
Set your first offset to 2406
I found this to play better with AR8. 9 feels forced here. ( This fast bpm = ar9 think they look good. ) ar8 no.
01:05:989 (6) - Get rid of the whistle on the sliderbody
01:25:934 (1) - ^
All Fix
Garven
Remember, as you said, this is high BPM. Having streams in a Hard difficulty is really hard for something labeled as "Hard." I really recommend reducing their use to only strong points in the song, not minor transitions to similar phrasing.
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

Garven wrote:

Remember, as you said, this is high BPM. Having streams in a Hard difficulty is really hard for something labeled as "Hard." I really recommend reducing their use to only strong points in the song, not minor transitions to similar phrasing.
ok.
Stream all fix! :3

upload!
Garven
Rebubbled!
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]
Thanks :3
Jehyeon_old
go go ranked~
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

Jehyeon wrote:

go go ranked~
:D
DeletedUser_3044645
Story of this mapset

  1. 4 / 8 - Star'd
  2. 4 / 8 - Bubbled
  3. 4 / 17 - Bubble popped
  4. 4 / 17 - Ranked
  5. 4 / 17 - Unranked
  6. 4 / 28 - Bubbled
  7. 5 / 26 - Bubble popped
  8. 5 / 28 - Bubbled
To be continued...
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

No Dap wrote:

Story of this mapset

  1. 4 / 8 - Star'd
  2. 4 / 8 - Bubbled
  3. 4 / 17 - Bubble popped
  4. 4 / 17 - Ranked
  5. 4 / 17 - Unranked
  6. 4 / 28 - Bubbled
  7. 5 / 26 - Bubble popped
  8. 5 / 28 - Bubbled
To be continued...
... OTL..
alacat
Hi ~

[Beginner]
  1. 00:13:407 (1) - add a finish to the head of the slider here to follow the crash cymbal in the music.
  2. 00:37:143 (2) - This slider is out of screen, You must fix it.
  3. 00:51:978 (2,3) - No hitsounds ? :3 I prefer to use claps on these notes.
  4. 00:56:923 (1) - add a finish for kiai time ?
  5. 01:11:264 - missing a finish
[Easy]
  1. 01:11:264 - Same as Beginner diff.
[Normal]
  1. 00:15:385 (4) - I feel these finish sounds doesn't fit well with this kind of music. So you should consider removing them also i think it's better to use a finish to the tail of the slider.
  2. 00:36:484 (4) - I'm worry about off-screen to this slider. (It's enough for playing) So please try to move this slider up for safety.
  3. 00:50:330 - missing a finish
  4. 01:07:473 - ^ Same
  5. 01:14:890 (4) - I don't agree 1/4 repeat slider in normal diff. It's enough to use 1/2 slider in this sound.
[Hard]
  1. 00:36:978 (7) - I feel that these consecutive finish sounds do not match in this music. So try to remove it here.
  2. 00:55:605 - Why don't you turn down the volume at here ? it would fit well with this kind of music.
  3. 01:02:198 - add a finish to the head of the slider. you should be able to apply my suggestion for the rest in this kiai part... 01:12:748 (1) - and so on.
  4. 01:06:484 (5,1) - hmm ... This part is too hard for this difficulty. Please reduce spacing in here.
[Insane]
  1. 00:16:044 - missing a whistle
  2. 00:34:176 (4,5) - No hitsounds ? i feel these are a bit empty here. Please try to add some hitsounds to here.
  3. 01:02:198 (1) - Same as hard diff.
  4. 01:07:473 (1) - add a finish to the head of the slider here to follow the crash cymbal in the music.
That's all ~ Let me know whenever you're ready :roll:
Topic Starter
[ Zzz ]

alacat wrote:

Hi ~ ( Hi~ : D )

[Beginner]
  1. 00:13:407 (1) - add a finish to the head of the slider here to follow the crash cymbal in the music.
  2. 00:37:143 (2) - This slider is out of screen, You must fix it.
  3. 00:51:978 (2,3) - No hitsounds ? :3 I prefer to use claps on these notes. ( miss.. thank you :3 )
  4. 00:56:923 (1) - add a finish for kiai time ?
  5. 01:11:264 - missing a finish
[Easy]
  1. 01:11:264 - Same as Beginner diff.
[Normal]
  1. 00:15:385 (4) - I feel these finish sounds doesn't fit well with this kind of music. So you should consider removing them also i think it's better to use a finish to the tail of the slider.
  2. 00:36:484 (4) - I'm worry about off-screen to this slider. (It's enough for playing) So please try to move this slider up for safety.
  3. 00:50:330 - missing a finish
  4. 01:07:473 - ^ Same
  5. 01:14:890 (4) - I don't agree 1/4 repeat slider in normal diff. It's enough to use 1/2 slider in this sound.
[Hard]
  1. 00:36:978 (7) - I feel that these consecutive finish sounds do not match in this music. So try to remove it here.
  2. 00:55:605 - Why don't you turn down the volume at here ? it would fit well with this kind of music.
  3. 01:02:198 - add a finish to the head of the slider. you should be able to apply my suggestion for the rest in this kiai part... 01:12:748 (1) - and so on.
  4. 01:06:484 (5,1) - hmm ... This part is too hard for this difficulty. Please reduce spacing in here. ( yes! )
[Insane]
  1. 00:16:044 - missing a whistle
  2. 00:34:176 (4,5) - No hitsounds ? i feel these are a bit empty here. Please try to add some hitsounds to here. ( oh... miss! )
  3. 01:02:198 (1) - Same as hard diff. ( change )
  4. 01:07:473 (1) - add a finish to the head of the slider here to follow the crash cymbal in the music.
That's all ~ Let me know whenever you're ready :roll:
All Done!!

Thank you alacat :D
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KSHR wrote:

alacat wrote:

Ranked!
Thanks alacat
Re-ranked! /me runs
Well, gratz :3
OTL..

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