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[resolved] [confirmed] Scoreboards only show the most recent set of tied scores

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WeedMaster_old
Topic Starter
WeedMaster_old
Problem Details: Players getting kicked off top 50 on no spinner maps.

On no spin maps if you get an SS with a modset then another player does the same thing later, their score should always be ranked lower than yours, and this is the case most of the time, however on no spinner maps if the top 50 is full of the same modset and you post an SS with that modset you will kick out the longest standing score and replace it with your own

Video or screenshot showing the problem: On the normal of this map http://osu.ppy.sh/b/141199?m=0

Before my score: http://puu.sh/7heNS.png
After: http://puu.sh/7heZY.png

As we can see 'Amagnator' in the first screenshot is 2nd, and in the second screenshot he is no longer in the top 50, on the website. Unfortunately I didn't have the presence of mind to screenshot this occurring clientside, but I have an 'after' screenshot showing me coming in at 50th, and Amagnator not being 2nd.

Client after: http://puu.sh/7heYq.jpg and http://puu.sh/7hfjx.jpg

Although we can see that the former 3rd place score is now second in the second screenshot.

http://puu.sh/7heAV
http://puu.sh/7heAu
http://puu.sh/7iECI
http://puu.sh/7oJw5.jpg

These two screenshots above are other cases that the same thing has occurred, I will be updating this.

osu! version: 20140302.5 (latest)
Last edited by WeedMaster_old , edited 4 times in total.
FrzR
2,237 posts
Joined October 2012
FrzR
Can't explain this properly but when it comes to no spinner maps, It would be "First come First serve" on rankings. For example, if you have the same score as the #1 on a map, You'll receive a Technical #1 Rank, though it doesn't show up on your userpage on First Place Rankings.
WeedMaster_old
Topic Starter
WeedMaster_old
Yes, I know this, this was not my point.

The point is, if I am the 100th person to SS a map HDDTHR I should be 100th, not 50th, and the bug that makes me 50th is stealing someones rightful rank in the top 50, or even could knock them out of first place.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
You would be the 100th though

It was like this before, and shouldn't have changed now.

EDIT: strange, for the global rankings it doesn't show Amagnator on the 2nd ranked, but when filtered via selected mods then he will appear 1st for due to his submitted score date
Lanturn
osu! Alumni
3,912 posts
Joined March 2012
Lanturn

buny wrote:

EDIT: strange, for the global rankings it doesn't show Amagnator on the 2nd ranked, but when filtered via selected mods then he will appear 1st for due to his submitted score date
Which is the problem WeedMaster was pointing out. Players earning their scores before others are getting knocked out of the rankings on the global scoreboard and being placed ahead of those who earned the ranking before them.

This also makes all replays unwatchable after more than 100 (not sure if this is the exact number) scores have been submitted. For example. Try watching the first place's replay on this map: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/113073

The true first place is unknown to my knowledge as this song has so many 100% 4 mods that even searching through selected mods, I still can't find it as selected mods even have problems when there is more than 50 of them with the same score!

Not sure why this hasn't been addressed yet...

A visual example is from this beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/102001


^ notice how all bottom scores are the most recently earned ones? It kicks off everyone at the top and they're sent into eternal oblivion (sorry, bad joke)
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
8,431 posts
Joined March 2010
TheVileOne
Confirmed for now.
WeedMaster_old
Topic Starter
WeedMaster_old
I feel like a genius.
FrzR
2,237 posts
Joined October 2012
FrzR

WeedMaster wrote:

I feel like a genius.

Good for you. =w=)b
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

Lanturn wrote:

buny wrote:

EDIT: strange, for the global rankings it doesn't show Amagnator on the 2nd ranked, but when filtered via selected mods then he will appear 1st for due to his submitted score date
Which is the problem WeedMaster was pointing out. Players earning their scores before others are getting knocked out of the rankings on the global scoreboard and being placed ahead of those who earned the ranking before them.

This also makes all replays unwatchable after more than 100 (not sure if this is the exact number) scores have been submitted. For example. Try watching the first place's replay on this map: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/113073

The true first place is unknown to my knowledge as this song has so many 100% 4 mods that even searching through selected mods, I still can't find it as selected mods even have problems when there is more than 50 of them with the same score!

Not sure why this hasn't been addressed yet...

A visual example is from this beatmap: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/102001


^ notice how all bottom scores are the most recently earned ones? It kicks off everyone at the top and they're sent into eternal oblivion (sorry, bad joke)
My guess would be that this may have something to do with scores being hidden due to inactivity.
Because inactive people get their scores hidden, and that map is very old, I wouldn't doubt that more recent scores will be on the top 50.

Though that wouldn't explain why those scores are being shown in a filtered request such as global rankings (selected mods).

Could someone with supporter benefits care to test it out on a map with known scores from inactive players? I would, but unfortunately my supporter has expired.
Lanturn
osu! Alumni
3,912 posts
Joined March 2012
Lanturn
I doubt it. Using me as an example, I'm not inactive when it comes to playing the game.

Take this map: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/314687?m=0

I have first place on this map, and I was kicked off long ago. If someone can successfully 4 mod this map, AndreKaptenz should be kicked off the current first place slot and it'll be given to Suwako until another person 4 mods it, which then it'll be passed to Jewel.

Why was this taken off confirmed?

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Edit: Managed to record a video of me getting a tied score and getting sent from 130th to 50th. The only thing I forgot to show was the 1st place person getting knocked off the top. Feel free to skip to the end.. I got a 100 on the last note somehow and had to play the map twice X_x


Try it yourself: https://osu.ppy.sh/b/188852
ChloeCIA was the one who got knocked off, and now adininoxyz is in first.
TheVileOne
osu! Alumni
8,431 posts
Joined March 2010
TheVileOne
I unconfirmed it, because I didn't actually test the situation when I marked it. I will reconfirm when I validate this behavior.

Edit: Reconfirmed.

It is very suspicious that the Normal has an all mod run on it from 2010 but the Easy doesn't have any all mod runs past 2012.

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/64713

Edit: I would like someone to double check that this is an actual issue.
blahpy
297 posts
Joined November 2013
blahpy

TheVileOne wrote:

Edit: I would like someone to double check that this is an actual issue.
It seems to be a real thing, yes.

p/3090397/

^thread I made about the issue today without seeing this one.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
Bumping with a better title. This is pretty dodgy behavior.
Lanturn
osu! Alumni
3,912 posts
Joined March 2012
Lanturn
Was this half fixed or something?

SPOILER



It has me where I should be now on some maps. but a few are still behind like the final screenshot.
Tom94
osu!dev
750 posts
Joined August 2012
Tom94

Lanturn wrote:

Was this half fixed or something?

SPOILER



It has me where I should be now on some maps. but a few are still behind like the final screenshot.
Ordering of scores has been fixed for all but some very old scores. The number display on your personal score however will always display you as the highest of all tied scores as of now. This is also planned to be adjusted.
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