Autonomous Republic of Crimea, the Ukraine or Russia? 
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PS: Sorry for the spelling.
Please speech! PS: Sorry for the spelling.
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I suppose he wants to see opinions about recent things happening in ukraine and russia. Euro maidan, janukovycz, etc.
In all seriousness (the previous posts are taking this as a joke, I assume), this is an escalating situation between Russia and the rest of the world.
Putin wants to bring back the "old regime" of influence that used to surround Russia (USSR/Warsaw Pact states) and is slowly being westernized (Russia just like China, they like borders of influence [ie: North Korea deterrence of US influence]).
IMO - Putin's reasoning to "protect the rights" of ethnic Russian citizens in Crimea and other parts of Ukraine (moreover the Eastern/Southern sides which are dominantly Russian to begin with) is perfectly justified. A majority of people (80%) speak Russian in these regions and might as well be handed over to Russia. The rest of the world is sitting around threatening Russia with "economic sanctions" and "depreciated relations" at what cost to Russia? They've shown resolve with situations like these in the past and Putin especially, won't be afraid to show the prowess of his power on a global scale.
On a side note, as OP stated, Crimea is autonomous (for those that don't know, this is self-government to a certain extent). Aside from being ethnically Russian (over 80% of the current population speak Russian), it's the home for Russia's western fleet. Putin isn't going to give it up, and I'm sure the world leaders know this.
Best of luck to the Ukrainian people on both ends and I hope that this gets settled with dialogue from both ends of the spectrum rather than guns blazing.
Putin wants to bring back the "old regime" of influence that used to surround Russia (USSR/Warsaw Pact states) and is slowly being westernized (Russia just like China, they like borders of influence [ie: North Korea deterrence of US influence]).
IMO - Putin's reasoning to "protect the rights" of ethnic Russian citizens in Crimea and other parts of Ukraine (moreover the Eastern/Southern sides which are dominantly Russian to begin with) is perfectly justified. A majority of people (80%) speak Russian in these regions and might as well be handed over to Russia. The rest of the world is sitting around threatening Russia with "economic sanctions" and "depreciated relations" at what cost to Russia? They've shown resolve with situations like these in the past and Putin especially, won't be afraid to show the prowess of his power on a global scale.
On a side note, as OP stated, Crimea is autonomous (for those that don't know, this is self-government to a certain extent). Aside from being ethnically Russian (over 80% of the current population speak Russian), it's the home for Russia's western fleet. Putin isn't going to give it up, and I'm sure the world leaders know this.
Best of luck to the Ukrainian people on both ends and I hope that this gets settled with dialogue from both ends of the spectrum rather than guns blazing.
I seriously hope Russia isn't going to war because it means a lot of economic issues for a large amount of Europe as Russia is a major trade partner with a lot of the countries and the Russian economy is already taking a really, really hard hit, as the Russian Ruble has hit a record low in relation to the US Dollar [source HS.fi (finnish)]
Edit: I mean, of course I feel the Ukrainians of both parties on this subject and I can't pick a side nor do I feel like I'm in a position to do so either, but I'm talking about how big of an effect Russia's selfishness in this situation would have on the rest of Europe.
Edit: I mean, of course I feel the Ukrainians of both parties on this subject and I can't pick a side nor do I feel like I'm in a position to do so either, but I'm talking about how big of an effect Russia's selfishness in this situation would have on the rest of Europe.
heeeeeeeey, I guess Europe is not really able to put any real and/or serious restrictions on Russia. What I expect is: Crimea becomes autonomous (in any degree).
Indeed, civilians are the ones who suffer the most from all this terror, violence and shit. Wish they could move somewhere and be safe and sound until it's all over.
Indeed, civilians are the ones who suffer the most from all this terror, violence and shit. Wish they could move somewhere and be safe and sound until it's all over.
I completely disagree as even the reasoning is different on a fundamental level but ok
putin is buttmad because he's a skinny little bitch and he has to compensate for it by turning off the gas taps occasionally and flexing his muscles over a corrupt and poor ukraine
because he needs a satellite state right this is still the cold war
right?
the fact that someone speaks russian does not mean they should be pigeonholed into being handed over to russia. the majority of ukraine, even in the west, speaks russian as a first language - but that doesn't automatically mean that they want to surrender their rights to a free and democratic country and a stable economy in the context of which their children can grow up and have an ACTUAL LIFE in favour of being putin's little playthings. Ukraine is a shit-hole and corruption is rife and it produces more or less nothing, and I fully sympathize with those who want better relations with europe over russia, not least because i spent the first 10 years of my life in ukraine and i've seen first hand what a shit state the system is in.
because he needs a satellite state right this is still the cold war
right?
the fact that someone speaks russian does not mean they should be pigeonholed into being handed over to russia. the majority of ukraine, even in the west, speaks russian as a first language - but that doesn't automatically mean that they want to surrender their rights to a free and democratic country and a stable economy in the context of which their children can grow up and have an ACTUAL LIFE in favour of being putin's little playthings. Ukraine is a shit-hole and corruption is rife and it produces more or less nothing, and I fully sympathize with those who want better relations with europe over russia, not least because i spent the first 10 years of my life in ukraine and i've seen first hand what a shit state the system is in.
And poland,what about the Ukrainian trying to escape their country into yours?E s s a wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/180928
The fact that someone speaks Russian does not mean they should be pigeonholed into being handed over to Russia? So this is why pro-Russian protesters all over South/Eastern Ukraine have taken over government positions and are calling Crimea to be completely autonomous and are even bringing the idea of seceding to the table, right? Half of Ukraine is under threat of seceding to Russia, not just from the Russian troops, but from their own people. Half of Ukraine wants the EU, the other half wants RU. There just isn't one side to this predicament, nor is this black and white.tyrael6192 wrote:
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These people want to become part of Russia, if not an independent entity (true autonomy) of Ukraine. Putin is putting his foot in the door because there's more at stake for Russia (Sevastopol is huge for Russian Navy operations on the Russia's western end).
Let Ukraine have what it wants, but let the autonomous region do what it pleases. These people are ethnically Russian, not Ukrainian. This is why thousands over thousands is fleeing to Russia and denouncing their Ukrainian citizenship, right?
The rest of the world can't do a thing to contain Putin. Economic sanctions won't deter jack shit, nor will yelling at the guy over the phone. In this case, the sword is mightier than the pen.
I was hoping people would disagree his post as blind chauvinism; first-hand experience or not.dkun wrote:
..tyrael6192 wrote:
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I understand and do agree that it's blind chauvinism, but it doesn't hurt to try and knock some sense into someone, does it?Lewder wrote:
I was hoping people would disagree his post as blind chauvinism; first-hand experience or not.
Shohei Ohtani
The only thing to come out of this so far is that millions of edgy teenagers have found this opportunity to pretend that they're above everyone because they read a CNN article about this story and now spend their days arguing about it on the internet with people who have only read that same CNN article and maybe heard something from their stoner older brother.
What's wrong with forming a personal opinion and expressing it to others whom interpreted the same article in a different manner expecting to receive their input on the matter? I'm personally following it semi-actively on the news via a credible Finnish broadsheet, that's irrelevant but I hope it gives my opinions any impact whatsoever to you.CDFA wrote:
Shitty reference about Crimea and Fire Emblem
The only thing to come out of this so far is that millions of edgy teenagers have found this opportunity to pretend that they're above everyone because they read a CNN article about this story and now spend their days arguing about it on the internet with people who have only read that same CNN article and maybe heard something from their stoner older brother.
what would be Ukraine's?Apex wrote:
Remember everyone: The 38th parallel and the Berlin Wall.
im scared :c
@dkun i was talking outside crimea, and i was certainly not saying that people who want to be a part of russia should be deterred from doing so. my point was that you can't just say people want, or indeed ought, to be a part of russia purely on the basis that they speak the languageLewder wrote:
I was hoping people would disagree his post as blind chauvinism; first-hand experience or not.
nor do i see how my post is at all chauvinistic? ukraine is a terrible place and it needs change and yanukovich living out of putin's pockets is certainly not going to bring that change. please feel free to prove me wrong but i'm not glorifying anything
tiper
I seriously hope Russia isn't going to warI do as well. But excuse me, these freaking hard right ukrainian nazis ask Doku Umarov to blow us up, because Russia is weak. Any action has its consequences.
i encourage everyone to remember that there is no such thing as an unbiased source, and you are basically arguing propaganda versus propaganda.
I hardly think most of pro-Ukrainians supports Umarov and his actions. It would be unfair if a whole country gets shitted on because of what few individuals or one group thinks.tiper wrote:
I do as well. But excuse me, these freaking hard right ukrainian nazis ask Doku Umarov to blow us up, because Russia is weak. Any action has its consequences.
Aka wrote:
im scared :c