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Going from 2.00 star maps to 10.00 star maps and above

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Colder
As the title suggest I am going through all my maps starting from 2.00 star maps to infinity and beyond without retrying them. (Except if I miss or hit a circle 50) (Later added: If I have more than 5 200 hits on a map then that map will go into the "training" group, meaning I will retry it until I SS it.)

What I am wondering though is that if I have the patience to do this then will I get better at harder maps or not?

And before you ask about if I am using any difficulty increasers (mods), no I don't. Once I went through all of my ranked maps then I plan to restart this journey except with all difficulty mods on. And I am only playing Osu! maps

So you might be wondering "How many maps are we talking about?". 13358 ranked maps. I did some calculations where I assumed that on average a map's length is 2 minutes and I also plan on playing at least 1 and a half hour daily. And the results is that I should be able to finish this in less than a year. (Which is not the truth since there is the inbetween times of selecting the map and stuff so I made the assumption that at maximum I would finish it in 2 years.)

As for skins, I already found the one that is the best for me. I am using a drawing tablet and keyboard. I have also removed every distraction from the screen while playing the songs. (This is due to the fact that in the past whenever I played a hard map I ended up constantly looking at where in the song currently I am and getting impatient, which resulted in less accuracy)

I started this journey today and I am at 2.01 star maps and have managed to beat them all either SS or S.

My current best tip for anyone attempting this:
Learn the meaning of OD, CS, AR, and HP. If you know these values then you have a higher chance of SS on first try.

Edit:
Decided that this would take too long and therefore switching to a new strategy
Voidedosu
1.) No it won't. At least, not the way you think it will. Your plan will only succeed in you potentially passing all the maps you have. You'll only get "better" in the sense that you might be able to pass progressively harder maps, but you're not going to actually get better at the skills of the game. It's somewhat irrelevant at the 2* level, but by the high 3* or generally the 4* range you will need to put more effort into particular skills to see more benefits.

2.) an hour and a half a day is not going to be enough time for you to hone to skills you'll need to even pass 5*+ maps. At least 2-3 hours a day, minimum.

The route you're taking will only really work if you do more than just play for passing starting with mid-3* maps. Without at least some repetition and learning how to do particular skills (jumps, bursts, streams, etc.) you won't have much success. That being said, your instinct to not retry much is fairly accurate, it just needs to be less restrictive as opposed to trying to keep to just one play.
dung eater
fully depends on the maps you have, if they luckily match what's good for you/get difficult at a pace that's good for u, ur good.

it would be a massive time sink whenever the maps do not engage you in any way or go over your head though.
Topic Starter
Colder

Voidedosu wrote:

1.) No it won't. At least, not the way you think it will. Your plan will only succeed in you potentially passing all the maps you have. You'll only get "better" in the sense that you might be able to pass progressively harder maps, but you're not going to actually get better at the skills of the game. It's somewhat irrelevant at the 2* level, but by the high 3* or generally the 4* range you will need to put more effort into particular skills to see more benefits.

2.) an hour and a half a day is not going to be enough time for you to hone to skills you'll need to even pass 5*+ maps. At least 2-3 hours a day, minimum.

The route you're taking will only really work if you do more than just play for passing starting with mid-3* maps. Without at least some repetition and learning how to do particular skills (jumps, bursts, streams, etc.) you won't have much success. That being said, your instinct to not retry much is fairly accurate, it just needs to be less restrictive as opposed to trying to keep to just one play.
Interesting... Really, really interesting.

I looked at your profile and I have the same belief as you. I myself try to do maps SS, however I believe that trying to beat a map SS loses it's value the more you retry. (I don't know how many times you beat a map, but I for instance had to beat the same map 20-30 times before I finally got SS on it.) So what I am planning to do is to do many cycles through my ranked maps until all maps are SS.

As for your critique on the matter of how much time I play daily. I think I didn't specify this, but that is going to be the minimum amount, meaning that on days when I don't go to lectures I can play more.

As for the retry thing, I will only going to "practice" (beating it to SS) certain maps if I have more than 5 200 hits on it first try.
Naiad
If you make sure to high acc FC every 2 star you have before moving on to harder maps, it will be a very long time before you begin to get better at harder maps, although in theory if you do carry through with this I don't see why you wouldn't improve. I just don't think it would be efficient.
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Colder

Naiad wrote:

If you make sure to high acc FC every 2 star you have before moving on to harder maps, it will be a very long time before you begin to get better at harder maps, although in theory if you do carry through with this I don't see why you wouldn't improve. I just don't think it would be efficient.
Throughout the years I experienced that jumping map difficulties is not as simple as it seems. Therefore I reached the conclusion that if I were to smoothly increase difficulty then I could get to any difficulty I wish to. And besides I wish to spend time playing a game than watch others play games.

Oh and don't worry, I make sure to only have at most 5 200 hits on any 2 star maps (currently however I have a 2 star map that I couldn't beat with less than 15 200 hits because it had 4 times the circles than sliders, but I am planning to practice maps that fall into this category so that I have less 200 hits on them.)
xgamer1013

Colder wrote:

As the title suggest I am going through all my maps starting from 2.00 star maps to infinity and beyond without retrying them. (Except if I miss or hit a circle 50) (Later added: If I have more than 5 200 hits on a map then that map will go into the "training" group, meaning I will retry it until I SS it.)

What I am wondering though is that if I have the patience to do this then will I get better at harder maps or not?

And before you ask about if I am using any difficulty increasers (mods), no I don't. Once I went through all of my ranked maps then I plan to restart this journey except with all difficulty mods on. And I am only playing Osu! maps

So you might be wondering "How many maps are we talking about?". 13358 ranked maps. I did some calculations where I assumed that on average a map's length is 2 minutes and I also plan on playing at least 1 and a half hour daily. And the results is that I should be able to finish this in less than a year. (Which is not the truth since there is the inbetween times of selecting the map and stuff so I made the assumption that at maximum I would finish it in 2 years.)

As for skins, I already found the one that is the best for me. I am using a drawing tablet and keyboard. I have also removed every distraction from the screen while playing the songs. (This is due to the fact that in the past whenever I played a hard map I ended up constantly looking at where in the song currently I am and getting impatient, which resulted in less accuracy)

I started this journey today and I am at 2.01 star maps and have managed to beat them all either SS or S.

My current best tip for anyone attempting this:
Learn the meaning of OD, CS, AR, and HP. If you know these values then you have a higher chance of SS on first try.
gl thats gonna be very long and looking you i think i need get a best acc but lets go in progression.
I realy never gonna try and don't think it gonna be a good thing to get better but you can change my mentallity if it work.
Topic Starter
Colder

xgamer1013 wrote:

gl thats gonna be very long and looking you i think i need get a best acc but lets go in progression.
I realy never gonna try and don't think it gonna be a good thing to get better but you can change my mentallity if it work.
Well two years is two years. Do not worry, you have 2 more medals than I and you have played less.

I plan on editing this post with my progression each day.
xgamer1013

Colder wrote:

xgamer1013 wrote:

gl thats gonna be very long and looking you i think i need get a best acc but lets go in progression.
I realy never gonna try and don't think it gonna be a good thing to get better but you can change my mentallity if it work.
Well two years is two years. Do not worry, you have 2 more medals than I and you have played less.

I plan on editing this post with my progression each day.
half of my time playing is multi, and for medals it is easy to get if want get is only go at the osekai and you can earn some medals.
mqwilliamscom
At 2*-3* yeah this is possibly doable. But at 4*-5* you WILL find some nigh impossible maps to SS. Not even mentioning skillset which varies from map to map (why people say star rating is actually inaccurate by nature), but you al so have you gimmick maps like Wolf Whistle and Luvatory. So if you’re dead set on doing this, know when to throw in the towel for a map.
Topic Starter
Colder

mqwilliamscom wrote:

At 2*-3* yeah this is possibly doable. But at 4*-5* you WILL find some nigh impossible maps to SS. Not even mentioning skillset which varies from map to map (why people say star rating is actually inaccurate by nature), but you al so have you gimmick maps like Wolf Whistle and Luvatory. So if you’re dead set on doing this, know when to throw in the towel for a map.
That's why I decided that at max I could only continue to the next map if I have less than 5 100 hits. Otherwise if I have higher than 5 100 hits then it's a signal that "Hey, this map contains some sort of skillset requirement that I don't meet and should be practiced so that if another map appears with the same skill requirement then it shouldn't be a problem".
Happy Satoko
Nah. Speaking as someone who basically did the same thing, it won't help you improve, at least not quickly. It would only really help at first if you cannot actually properly play low difficulties. For the most part, improvement comes from limit pushing.

+ Map difficulty doesn't actually increase accurately playing in this order, so you're going to get random maps that are much harder. You would think you'd be able to FC anything by taking the supposedly gradual approach, but it doesn't really work. You're also spreading yourself thin by being an all-rounder, specializing is a more common approach.

If you really want to go this approach for fun, I would recommend working on difficulty ranges instead of a strict order and know when to move on from a map in your session. I would drop the 100s requirement and make it acc based as well. And if you're still wanting to target and improve on the problem maps, just know that in many cases, at least in the 2-5 range, if you can get over 99%, you probably already have the skill to get 100% and it's just a matter of retrying from there, not furthering skill.
Topic Starter
Colder

Happy Satoko wrote:

Nah. Speaking as someone who basically did the same thing, it won't help you improve, at least not quickly. It would only really help at first if you cannot actually properly play low difficulties. For the most part, improvement comes from limit pushing.
I have tried said "limit pushing", but it always failed for me and since I have the patience I am willing to take my time if it means that I can get higher.

Happy Satoko wrote:

+ Map difficulty doesn't actually increase accurately playing in this order, so you're going to get random maps that are much harder. You would think you'd be able to FC anything by taking the supposedly gradual approach, but it doesn't really work. You're also spreading yourself thin by being an all-rounder, specializing is a more common approach.
That's the fun part. It would be boring if it actually increased accurately. Also I am trying to practice a skill I refer to as first try S or SS. Oh and one more thing, I am an all-rounder in the sense that I wish to be good at all skills, but I am also "specializing" (or more accurately practice until a specific part of a map doesn't causes issues).

Happy Satoko wrote:

If you really want to go this approach for fun, I would recommend working on difficulty ranges instead of a strict order and know when to move on from a map in your session. I would drop the 100s requirement and make it acc based as well. And if you're still wanting to target and improve on the problem maps, just know that in many cases, at least in the 2-5 range, if you can get over 99%, you probably already have the skill to get 100% and it's just a matter of retrying from there, not furthering skill.
Thank you for the recommendation.
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