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[invalid] [Proposal] Making preview point rule

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Should the preview audio represent a song by RC? Must it be not silent according to RC?

YES, rosario wknd is right
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37.93%
NO, but I also agreed with rosario there
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34.48%
NO, rosario isn't right there
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27.59%
Total votes: 29
Tankuwi
343 posts
Joined April 2018
Topic Starter
Tankuwi
I think it's time to make a proposition to add the rule about puting the preview point to be sounded like it should represent the song which u play after downloading the map to understand how it sounds and imagine how it plays before downloading. The preview point must be not silent despite the concept of the title of song!

F.e. HERE mapper wanted to put the preview point where there's no sound to fit the title of the song. So I agree with rosario wknd. The game has called rhythm-game, so u play the music. And having preview audio has a feature to give the player how it sounds so player can be interested in downloading the map. Having completely silent preview audio makes itself completely useless at all, so there the question became a problem: why the preview ever exist?

Need I put more details on this problem?

Ah right...

The preview audio must be audible and can't be empty.
Glossarium:
Preview audio — the audio of the map played at osu!site. Contains 10 seconds of the track.
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Ryu Sei
2,900 posts
Joined October 2013
Ryu Sei
Being representative is subjective. If anything, the preview point should make sense and importantly plays sound rather than just empty. We can't being too much representative with only 10 seconds of preview. There are some songs that benefits with misrepresentation of preview (like 'that' LeaF's song).
Tankuwi
343 posts
Joined April 2018
Topic Starter
Tankuwi

Ryu Sei wrote:

Being representative is subjective. If anything, the preview point should make sense and importantly plays sound rather than just empty. We can't being too much representative with only 10 seconds of preview. There are some songs that benefits with misrepresentation of preview (like 'that' LeaF's song).
I don't see any contraditions with what I'm proposing. Of course, it's subjective, but it should have any sense. The artist can draw a picture of 'empty' what he thinks. And if he drew it, it means he actually DREW, not just said "this is the empty" without any painting.
Blushing
Technical Support Team
3,034 posts
Joined February 2015
Blushing
I can see this being added under the tense that it solely can’t have earrape, no audio, or anything that can go against the community rules (for example explicit lyrics being front and center (this should go without saying that if the chorus has the explicit words, then it is allowed and needs the explicit tag)).

Any other restriction would go against mappers’ desires for wha they want to showcase.

Id say at the least the preview point needs to match one of the kiai, as that is a point to highlight and the preview point should be one of those.

Edited to remove/strikethrough a portion that is not needed.
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ZiRoX
Elite Mapper
1,052 posts
Joined November 2009
ZiRoX

Blushing wrote:

I can see this being added under the tense that it solely can’t have earrape, no audio, or anything that can go against the community rules (for example explicit lyrics being front and center (this should go without saying that if the chorus has the explicit words, then it is allowed and needs the explicit tag)).

Any other restriction would go against mappers’ desires for wha they want to showcase.

Id say at the least the preview point needs to match one of the kiai, as that is a point to highlight and the preview point should be one of those.
Kinda weird that you say "any other restriction would go against mappers' desire..." just to post another restriction in the following paragraph. That said, I do not agree with limiting the preview point to match one of the Kiai. There are many reasons why a mapset could not have a Kiai, including gameplay ones (e.g. some custom HD maps for catch tourneys don't have Kiai because the flashing makes fruits visible for longer, kinda defeating the purpose of HD itself).

I agree with the first paragraph though.
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SaltyLucario
1,320 posts
Joined June 2015
SaltyLucario

Blushing wrote:

Id say at the least the preview point needs to match one of the kiai, as that is a point to highlight and the preview point should be one of those.
pls no restriction on kiai placement limited to chorus only or else im gonna start putting kiai on slow parts
Blushing
Technical Support Team
3,034 posts
Joined February 2015
Blushing

ZiRoX wrote:

Kinda weird that you say "any other restriction would go against mappers' desire..." just to post another restriction in the following paragraph. That said, I do not agree with limiting the preview point to match one of the Kiai. There are many reasons why a mapset could not have a Kiai, including gameplay ones (e.g. some custom HD maps for catch tourneys don't have Kiai because the flashing makes fruits visible for longer, kinda defeating the purpose of HD itself).

I agree with the first paragraph though.
Yeah, i wrote that poorly, my bad. I also did not think of the tournament scene at all, which brings up a good point and have since revised my initial post. Thanks for the information :)!

SaltyLucario wrote:

pls no restriction on kiai placement limited to chorus only or else im gonna start putting kiai on slow parts
Definitely not meaning to go in this direction. Mappers should have the freedom to explore and create kiai, prominence, and preview points as they see fit. Which is why I am doubling down on the first paragraph of my post. It's sole "rules"/"guidelines" should be that they do not go against RC's audio rules/guidelines (earrape, no audio, for more check here), and that they do not break the community guidelines/rules.
yaspo
osu! Alumni
265 posts
Joined September 2014
yaspo
This edge-case hasn't shown itself for many many years, so I really doubt that mappers would continue using it outside of this concept. Really doesn't warrant knee-jerk-reacting it into the ranking criteria, the veto can handle this just fine.
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Tankuwi
343 posts
Joined April 2018
Topic Starter
Tankuwi

yaspo wrote:

This edge-case hasn't shown itself for many many years, so I really doubt that mappers would continue using it outside of this concept. Really doesn't warrant knee-jerk-reacting it into the ranking criteria, the veto can handle this just fine.
You should understand the existance of aggresive reaction of the community about this veto like "why dafuq u did veto?!" despite the thing now veto have been going more calm than usually before. Having this as a RC will resolve this problem since it's RC u can't go against it.
And yea, this is a psychological thing XD
lewski
1,346 posts
Joined September 2014
lewski
people getting upset over vetoes is more of a general issue with the community and I don't think adding rules about specific veto topics is a viable way to deal with it

(also, if a veto is controversial, doesn't it logically follow that putting it in the RC would be even more controversial?)
h3oCharles
1,503 posts
Joined July 2016
h3oCharles
i dont remember the exact song in question, but this year there has been one ranked mapset with a preview point on a break being complete silence up until the last 3 seconds or sth like that

proposal is valid
Renumi
907 posts
Joined July 2012
Renumi
ought to be handled on a case-by-case basis thru vetoes. i believe preview points should stay as mappers preference
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Hivie
osu!taiko Paragon
1,002 posts
Joined March 2019
Hivie
will archive this for now considering how split are the opinions + what yaspo said earlier
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