peppy wrote:

Well this is really going to happen only if someone takes the initiative of judging and arranging things (just like any other tournament etc.). Even if it is just kudosu! based, we still need someone to take control here. Hint: it won't be me.

Oh god, I would gladly help.

I'm personally against Slacky and lame mods. WILL help by reading / checking the modders posts.

Of course I doubt this will be a one's man job.

Also peppy... If by "someone" you refer to 1+ of the osu! team crew (BATS / GMTS) then I guess I'm out eh.

If not, let me know.

Sir Minelli wrote:

Also peppy... If by "someone" you refer to 1+ of the osu! team crew (BATS / GMTS) then I guess I'm out eh.

If not, let me know.

If not, I'd be happy to help out as well.

Tell me what you need and I will provide. Understand you are in charge of this. I'm not going to put stuff together and tell you what to do.

It seems peppy is willing to let us try and operate this Modder of the Month idea. Awesome

However so far there seem to be a couple of things that would need organising in order to get this up and running. So far from my understanding we still need to organise:

1. The system and how it will work
2. The moderation of the system (peppy seems willing to let us do this, however I'm sure we'd need more than two people to moderate something like this fairly.

as far as the sytem's operation goes, there are a number of possibilities that have been provided. Maybe we can find a way to pick apart the best parts of each proposition and make it into a system that could work.

Azure_Kyte wrote:

I would imagine one solution would be to grab to top 10/20 kudosu earners each month and get a select group of judges to check a portion of their recent mod posts in order to help guage how much work they've put into modding over the month. The judges would vote independently of one another and the person with the highest number of votes gets the medal. If more than one person has the same number of votes, the vote is conducted again between the people with the same number of votes.

This proposed system is currently based on 'he who mods most gets the award'. I think it could be set up so a certain number of people are selected from each section of a top 50 monthly kudosu chart. say there can be 20 nominations, all 10 from top 10, 5 from 11-25, one nomination from every 5 ranking positions after that?

Lizbeth wrote:

An idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.

It has been said that allowing the mapper to vote for mod quality can be easily manipulated based on a mapper's personal like/dislike of the modder, and I have no real suggestions as to how to combat this.

Lizbeth wrote:

How about that each Mod Post after you give the Kudos, enable another option to vote for the modder of the month, something like: Give vote to modder of the month. Obviously once you voted, that option wouldn't appear anymore in the current month so this will be one vote per user. the bad thing is you will have to wait until the month is almost over to decide who you wanna give your vote.

Personally I see merit in this. coupled with parts from the suggestions above, I believe this would be a good system to get started with.


from these, I've come up with a possible proposition as to how this will work. Taking parts from these suggestions, I propose this system:

a week before the end of the month, A group of 20 people are selected from the top 50 montly kudosu earners. the top 10 are automatically nominated, and a number of other people are selected from the top 25, 30, 35, 40, 45 and 50 modders. The people in the lower tiers are selected with more randomization than the higher tiered nominees.

These nominees are then put to the public. A possible method for this is that when a mapper updates their map, the nominees who have posted mods on their map's thread are listed (possibly along with links to the mod post?) and the mapper rates them from a number proportional to the number of nominees who posted in the thread (say 5 people posted, the mapper assigns the most valuable mod post a score of 5, and then numbers them according to mod worth, 1 being least helpful, 5 being most helpful). From now on I'll refer to these points as Modder Points

Alongside this, I propose that people viewing the pending/WiP threads can support a nomination. If a person views a mod post by a nominee that is in depth and evidence suggests the nominee took a lot of effort in modding the map, they can assign them a number of Modder Points proportional to the position of that player.

I propose that Regular modders/mappers/users with NO ranked maps can award between 1 and 2 Modder Points when they support a nomination. Users with at least one Ranked map can award between 1 and 3 Modder Points, since they should have some experience with how the modding process goes. Prior Modder of the Months can award between 1 and 5 Modder Points and BAT's can assign between 1 and 10 Modder Points. Note that obviously a person can support a nominee only once per post.

on the second last day of the month these ratings are closed and the value of these mods/supports are tallied up. The judging party then selects the top 10 based on their Modder Points and from then the best nominee's mods in the last month are checked by the judges. The judges then decide the top 3? modders, and decide on the modder of the month by majority vote.

The Modder of the Month could get a custom forum title and a shiny badge on their profile, which I think should be stackable if they have recieved a Modder of the Month before, and depending on whether they are a subscriber or not, possibly a free week of osu direct?.

There may be errors or possible catches to this proposed solution, so I'm posting it here for possible suggestions/improvements.

Summary of Azure_Kyte's idea :

An example ( Let's take November as an examaple )

1. For the whole November, modders mod and post their mods. Kudosu are given (as usual) by the mapper.

2. At the last day of November, nominess for the "Mooder of the month" will be selected based on how many kudosu they earned during the whole November. Azure's proposed nominees selection process is as below :

TOP 10 kudosu earners are automatically being put into the nominee list, thus 10 nominess here.
5 nominees will be chosen from 11th most-kudosu-earner to 25th.
1 nominee will be chosen from 26th to 30th
1 nominee will be chosen from 31th to 35th
1 nominee will be chosen from 36th to 40th
1 nominee will be chosen from 41th to 45th
and the last nominee will be chosen from 46th to 50th.

Thus, a total of 20 nominees will be chosen by this way.

3. After the nominees are selected, the list of nominees will be made public, and voting will take place for 1 week after nominees have been announced. How do you vote ? You vote by giving modding points. And the modder points that a user can give to each nominee's post are listed below :

Regular users/players = Able to give 1-2 modder points.
Regular users with at least 1 ranked map = Able to give 1-3 modder points.
BATs = Able to give 1-10 modder points.
Prior Modder of the month award winner = Able to give 1-5 modder points.
Mapper that received mods from the nominees = Able to give modder points based on how many nominees mod his/her map. ( For example, mapper A receives mod from nominee B, C and D, thus the mapper have the ability to give 1-3 modder points )

Clarification : Modder points are given to each nominee's post, not each nominee. Meaning a voter can give 2 modder points to nominee A's useful 1st post, give 1 modder point to nominee A's another not so useful post, and refuse to give any point to nominee A's useless 3rd post.

4. After 1 week of voting, modding points will be tallied. TOP 10 modding points earner will be chosen and enter the final judging stage, In this final judging stage, top 10 modder's post will be viewed and the judges can choose their top 3 modder based on consensus. Then from the top 3, modder of the month will be chosen based on majority vote. And, voila, the winner is born. *orz*

5. Winner will have a shiny badge under their profile and maybe 1 week free of osu direct ? These are Azure's suggestions. What I suggest is, the modder of the month can have the power of semi-BAT for maybe 1-2 weeks where he/she can bubble maps but can't rank it ? And I believe modder of the month should has the ability to determine whether a map is bubble-deserving or not.

xD

I had this discussion in my religion class today. If you give only to get, it's not really giving, and it might come over like smothering. Give to give, not to take, or things might end up bad.

I will be posting tonight all you need to know about how will this feature work.

Thanks for all of your opinions ideas.

I'd rather have it like this, to keep it simple and fair (everyone should have the same value, and they should just be the nominators):

At the first week of a month, we have a form. We have it where people submit one person's name as a modder from the previous month. If they submit their own name we'll just ban them. BTW, this would be non-BAT only. All active BATs would automatically be nominated, because otherwise lots of people would just vote for a BAT who ranked/bubbled one of their maps.

We then take the people from that form, and look at everyone from a certain threshold. This would narrow it down to 5 to 10 people + active BATs. We then look through their posts, and on a private forum, discuss it.

Though I'd rather it be ModderS of the Month. 3 people, 1st, 2nd, and 3rd, all with the same badge (or different if ya want). It would just be better to me.

No need to make it complex. Giving different people different values for voting would be unfair, and per modding post would be ridiculous; that would be quantity over quality. :P Same reason not to do it by kudosu; it would be quantity over quality.

Ok business time.


Before I say anything, I would like to thank everyone who previously posted suggestions / comments.



Ok so, this is how it goes:
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The first thing we need to know before we start judging the modders, is the number of kudosu earned through out the month. The current Kudosu Ranking shows only who has earned the most kudosu overall, but not monthly.

I had a chat with peppy asking for a "Monthly Kudosu Chart" which will show the amount of Kudosu earned by the modders each month.

The chart will show the top 50 Monthly Kudosu Modders.

From here, a designated team consisting of BATS / GMTS / and normal users (well-known modders) will be in charge of judging those mods carefully.


The moddings will be checked the first week of the following month and will be judged based on various criteria such as:

- Presentation
- Dedication
- Explanation
- Content

Judges will grade the modders and then compare the grades with the rest, leading to a final decision.

The Modder Of The Month will then be announced at the Official News Forum.

One, and ONLY ONE modder will gain the title of Modder Of The Month, and will recieve a medal which will go to his profile.

The following month, and so on, modders will have the opportunity of getting the medal once again.

A user CAN obtain more than one medal. If this happens, The medal at his profile will say: (If you gained it twice) x2
(The above has yet to be confirmed)

The Judges will be picked by me with the help of BAT members / GMT members.


If you are interested in helping, do not hesitate and send me a pm. (Preferebly forum pm)

Note: Not everyone that pms me for helping will be picked as a Judge, but you might help me doing something else, so give it a shot if you think you are up to the job.


Thanks for reading, and feel free to comment.

Hmm, seems good.

Everything looks okay... I'm actually interested to see the monthly kudosu chart.

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Which is why we should have a "all posts in Pending/WiP/Ranked/Approved from this user", shown in chronological order. Then it wouldn't take that long to look through a person's mod posts, since they would all be right there.

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Sir Minelli wrote:

blissfulyoshi wrote:

Sir Minelli's proposed system is pretty effective for me.

There are just a few things that caught my attention.
1. How are we going to judge to top 50 modders

50 people is quite a few people to evaluate, especially if we have to look at a large number of their mod post. Not all mod post people do display their full skill. Sometimes mods are asked just to check timings or evaluate skins.

I find no mayor problem with the judging. Per month a modder (if active enough) can reach 20 mod posts.
If a Judge is checking his mod posts, it wont take long to give a grade. If the judge is checking a mod, and the mod was only about fixing timing, well in that case the judge will move to another of his mods, and check it.
A judge will not only see one of his mods. We need to check more mod posts of a particular modder, so that we have a bigger idea of his modding.
Again, we will judge based on the criteria I mentioned. After listening to your reasoning on irc, I have no more complaints about how the posts will be judged.

blissfulyoshi wrote:

I propose that we have each one of the top 50 modders that month to provide a link to their best modding post(s) (not sure if it is better to have 1 post or a few) that month for evaluation.

No, we will check the mayority of his mods. All if needed. ^

blissfulyoshi wrote:

2. Most of the BATs, GMTs, and well-known modders on the team will probably be on the 50 list (only a problem if your team of judges is small)

I don't want to take away the privilege from being The Modder Of The Month to a judge. So, if a Judge gets to be at the top 50 Monthly Kudosu list, It will get graded by a secondary Judge that most likely doesn't mod. This can be a GMT.

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blissfulyoshi wrote:

Besides those problems, it might be nice to add a forum to talk about these mod posts, since the judges might want to discuss them and these mod posts are a great example for new (and veteran) modders to follow.

In a way, I like this. But the fact of showing everyone else the flaws of a modder, (even if its done so that the others learn as well), might downgrade / demoralize the modder.

I'm thinking that after a judge grades the modder, he can pm him telling him his pros / cons and the reason of his grade.
Keep it private.

If we want everyone else to know how to improve their modding skills, I suggest the creation of a new thread from one of the BAT members, explaining how to mod correctly, what to avoid, etc.
From here, the modders will have a better idea of what to do and what not to do. I guess you are right that demoralizing posts should be avoided. Private posts will work well for me, and if people read the top modder of the month's mod, people will learn to mod better. Maybe it will be okay to say what were the strengths of the top modder so people can now what to look for in his mod post and not have the modder be discouraged.

Thanks for your comments and showing me your reasoning.

Uh, lemme join up the above discussion.

How are you going to judge?

This is very difficult. You may think this is easy but it's actually going to be very hard to "judge." People look at modding very differently. Just look at all the mapping styles out there. One person might think "this is the best mod post ever" while another might completely disagree. You're going to have to work out how people judge right off the bat or else you will have some serious arguments later on.

I propose that we have each one of the top 50 modders that month to provide a link to their best modding post(s) (not sure if it is better to have 1 post or a few) that month for evaluation.

I agree with Minelli. Check all of his/her modding posts.

Most of the BATs, GMTs, and well-known modders on the team will probably be on the 50 list (only a problem if your team of judges is small)

I don't want to take away the privilege from being The Modder Of The Month to a judge. So, if a Judge gets to be at the top 50 Monthly Kudosu list, It will get graded by a secondary Judge that most likely doesn't mod. This can be a GMT.

Your BATs and GMTs won't be a problem. Look at your BAT rankings now, they won't be taking many spots, there is no issue. Why would you want someone to be graded by another individual who doesn't really mod? That's like asking a psychiatrist to operate on your kidney. I'll pass. I don't think BATs/GMTs/Judges/Whatever being on your Top 50 Modders of the Month list will be an issue anyway seeing there won't be many of them at all. And if it's motivating them to mod more, then why not? Besides if they're already modding then why shouldn't they be on this list?

Besides those problems, it might be nice to add a forum to talk about these mod posts, since the judges might want to discuss them and these mod posts are a great example for new (and veteran) modders to follow.

Well, there's #mod but that's mostly just a place to set an idle message on to spam your map, but whatever it's #mod it works. Another forum is fine though there's nothing wrong that I could see with this point.

But Minelli, I'll have to go back to my first point about how people mod differently. I don't think you should let one BAT make up the guidelines on how people should be judging/modding. It won't work. I believe people should mod however they like and try to improve overtime in their own way. It's a matter of experience, and experience cannot be taught by one thread. If you wan to mod effectively, then you have to start today and keep it up for the next while. However, general guidelines are fine and yes negativity should be avoided.

Feel free to tl;dr.

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We will base our judgement based on the criteria previously mentioned.

Not everyone mods alike Mystearica, but there are those who mod better.

We will give the best modder the title.

If a forum thread can help modders by giving a basic guideline on how to improve their modding skill, I dont find it wrong at all.

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Wojjan wrote:

So we'll have people modding modding?
That is so weird.

agreed

Wojjan wrote:

So we'll have people modding modding?
That is so weird.

And seems to me like this time woud be better spent on actual modding of maps...

Gemi wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

So we'll have people modding modding?
That is so weird.

And seems to me like this time woud be better spent on actual modding of maps...

Yes... and there is A LOT more modding posts than maps.

This is an extra feature to incentive modders to mod more / become better modders.

If you have any strong arguement against this feature, please let me know.

Otherwise, lets continue with it.

Sir Minelli wrote:

This is an extra feature to incentive modders to mod more / become better modders.

If you have any strong arguement against this feature, please let me know.

Otherwise, lets continue with it.

i'm not against this thing of modder of the month, i just think the method you planted isn't solid.... just think about the problem right now with the beatmaps that don't get mod.... modders (no BAT) mods just for kudosu, i'm mean with this, modding a beatmap isn't fun, i think modding moderations is masochistic xD

If you guys are masochistic, then go ahead.... i'm not against that xD

I'm against this idea for several reasons:

- Modding modders seems like a waste of time to be honest, with less time devoted to modding maps and more time devoted to judging who is the best modder. [As has been stated above]

- No judge can never be totally impartial, and again its wasting time that could be spent modding.

- The kudosu system is meant to be an incentive for modders to mod, another title wouldn't change the amount of modding that is already taking place.

An alternative I think would just be to have weekly (not monthly) kudosu rankings and nothing more. That would be incentive enough and it would help map makers find modders.

Now that I think about it, a kudosu ranking of the month would be enough and would be similar to this. Heck, add a "top kudosu earner of the week/month" and multiple times, and you have a much better incentive than this.

As stated earlier you would be better off modding maps. Incentive? It won't do much; okay, so one person can get an award once a month. It's not going to do much to inspire. Why?

The only people who would be interested in this would be the ones who are already modding frequently! The probability of winning the award is very low, and since most people will believe that a BAT or someone that already mods frequently will win, they won't bother.

All the time and effort that would be used to do this... the judges would have to already be capable of modding anyways. What if they *gasp* modded maps which would help, instead of doing something that won't serve as a good incentive and be very time-consuming?

Now kudosu, that's measurable, and would be throughout the month. That means that if you care, you know how much you need to mod.

Summary: This whole thing is counterproductive; it'll waste time that could be spent modding while not making the incentive you are going for. Just have a monthly kudosu chart and a badge for that; since it's measurable and you know if you can get it or not, it's much better incentive while, once it's up, it won't waste time that could be spent modding maps instead of modding mods, and maps are what need modding.

I mean, it would work for like a month. Then modders wouldn't really care, and it just would be extremely counterproductive, if you're trying to create an incentive.

Lizbeth wrote:

Or another idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.

Ekaru wrote:

a kudosu ranking of the month would be enough and would be similar to this. Heck, add a "top kudosu earner of the week/month" and multiple times, and you have a much better incentive than this.

these are better ways, imo

Lissette wrote:

Lizbeth wrote:

Or another idea will be, an option, also enable after giving kudos, to Rate each moderations ( maybe 1-5 ). The user with higher rate will earn the badge.
Also the rate should be secret to prevent any troubles between users.

Ekaru wrote:

a kudosu ranking of the month would be enough and would be similar to this. Heck, add a "top kudosu earner of the week/month" and multiple times, and you have a much better incentive than this.

these are better ways, imo

No.

"top kudosu earner of the week/month" will not work.

One can recieve kudosu for only checking a map 1 second and saying: Oh, I would rather use a blue color, instead of a green color for the beats... and poof! kudosu for him.

The voting system either. You can vote 5 to a friend of yours, and 1 to someone you hate but that made an excelent mod.

No, this wont work.

And I'm sick of hearing "modders modding"

We will not mod but judge how did you mod.

The best modder gets the award, simple as that.

If you guys think that this will be "omg time consuming" well then you guys are wrong.

How much does it take for someone to read some mods and judge some of the top 50 kudosu earners? an hour per month?

Omg, he consumed all of his life time doing so right?

This feature has nothing to do with "Modding" and you can't say that it wont help, because it will.

Might not help as much as you think it should, but so what? Will it bring pain? no. Will it bring happiness? yes. (At least that's what I hope)

I agree with Minelli, this wouldn't be so time-consuming as you guys say. It shouldn't take long, at least. I am sure it will be easier than what you all think.
I don't see a critical, if any, flaw in the system planning here (after reading through the whole topic). Myself, I'd battle for the award/badge in my profile, since I am sure I can win. <3

Gemi wrote:

And seems to me like this time woud be better spent on actual modding of maps...

Quoted for truth.

It's a very nice idea I must say, but I don't think it could be implemented with fair success. I think it'd become either a popularity contest between modders or take too much effort, among other flaws. I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding, but I don't know if it's worth it. Too many opinions would be flying around. There's a decent chance of immaturity ruining things, or bad relations stemming from this. (Not to say there aren't quite a few positive results/outcomes, but I'm fairly sure the negatives outweight the positives.)

In all honesty, an award would be nice, but it wouldn't motivate me. I mod to earn people's respect as having tried to help them, and to learn to do a better job modding. Those two things are more than enough incentive to me. An award isn't much of an incentive, nor is kudosu.

I think the 'Top Modders' should be above things like modding for an award, and knowing that they helped people should be enough of a reward for them. The respect of the community is worth more than a silly profile badge in my opinion.

While the kudosu system isn't perfect for motivating people to mod, as some people abuse it and the star/priority system - I don't think adding achievements would help much.

Shinde wrote:

I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding

I think this would cause a decrease in modding as people spend their time going through mod posts and trying to decide who was the best modder instead of actually modding songs.

Gemi wrote:

Shinde wrote:

I agree it would probably cause a small, perhaps bigger than that, increase in modding

I think this would cause a decrease in modding as people spend their time going through mod posts and trying to decide who was the best modder instead of actually modding songs.

Gemi: Did you actually read the whole thread?

No offense, but only a few judges will be doing this... ONCE per month and will not be much of a time consuming work at all.

I highly doubt that this will cause a decrease in modding.

Also, some users that post here say that the "negatives" about this idea will be higher than the "positives"

But no one has actually listed the negative aspects. Do I smell jealousy?

Number of Kudosu is not always the best indicator for knowing whos the best modder. In most cases it is NOT.
That is why monthly the top 50 kudosu earners will be listed in a chart.

From here, judges will read their posts and will know who modded the best.


I don't find anything wrong with this feature at all, you are making things look a bit more complicated than they really are.

One serious flaw with the judging system is that it is difficult to tell how good a mod is without actually looking at the changes suggested in the map itself. There could a 50 line detailed mod that just didn't give very good advice, or there could be a quick, simple 5 line mod that was very useful. There is no way of really knowing how effective the mod was unless:
a) you checked the suggested changes yourself, or
b) the mapper posted which changes they did or didn't make, which only a handful of mappers do anyway, and even so it's not like mappers actually go into any detail about how useful the modder's mod was.
EDIT: Also, how would you propose a judging system would handle IRC modding? The only way of handling this in my mind would be do have users actually PM or post their IRC mod logs. Does anyone really want all that hassle?

Personally I am in favour of deciding modder of the month by kudosu. It's measurable and non-debatable; the proposed judging system just seems way too subjective. Sure you can get kudosu by suggesting a new combo or two, but if that's all the modder could find and the mapper found it useful, isn't that all that matters?

Deciding by kudosu I believe will also push people to mod more since there would be a live scoreboard (the monthly kudosu charts). People will be much more motivated to see their username climb the kudosu ranking charts than they would if there was no gauge to tell how well they are doing.

Modding modders seems like a waste of time to be honest, with less time devoted to modding maps and more time devoted to judging who is the best modder. [As has been stated above]

As has been previously stated, only a select few judges will be doing the 'mod modding', and only during a specific time of the month. This would have such a small impact on the overall mapping/modding community that I'm quite positive it'd fail to be noticed.

No judge can never be totally impartial, and again its wasting time that could be spent modding.

A valid point, but that's what a number of Judges is for. This helps to balance things out to keep things fair for everyone

I think the 'Top Modders' should be above things like modding for an award

The 'Top Modders' perspective on modding will change just because of this award? I don't think so. I think they'll continue to mod with contribution to the osu community as higher motivation than this award. But certain things motivate certain people. The current 'Top Modders' are people who freely contribute to the community for little more than the thanks they recieve from the mapper. If this award will motivate people who aren't motivated by community involvement, as it will, then it is well worth having.

EDIT: Responded via PM, and I can make this much shorter so I will.

Just have both Modder of the Month and Top Kudosu Earner; that way, if this doesn't work out, you'll at least have Top Kudosu Earner for motivation, since it can't fail due to non-committed judges or mass whining.

Seems like a good idea, no?

Sir Minelli wrote:

No offense, but only a few judges will be doing this... ONCE per month and will not be much of a time consuming work at all.

The people who you'll likely get to this job are those who would otherwise be modding. Also, if you want a fair system you need to go through a LOT(ie. all of them for those with high amounts of mod posts) of mod posts and check how good t
hey are, to be able to judge who is the best modder. You tell me this takes only little time and I laugh.

Sir Minelli wrote:

But no one has actually listed the negative aspects. Do I smell jealousy?

Lol?

Sir Minelli wrote:

Number of Kudosu is not always the best indicator for knowing whos the best modder. In most cases it is NOT.
That is why monthly the top 50 kudosu earners will be listed in a chart.

From here, judges will read their posts and will know who modded the best.

Do you realize how many posts you'll have to read through? 50 users and a few dozen posts from each, that makes hundreds of posts to rad. That's not a quick task.

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Sir Minelli wrote:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.

Don't agree with this. Modding isn't just about finding mistakes, it's about making maps better. If the mapper took the suggestion, then the modder has helped improve the map, and deserves a kudosu.

0_o wrote:

Sir Minelli wrote:

4 .- Try to avoid only "suggestion mod posts" Try to find actual mistakes and post them.
If you only suggest something and get a kudosu, it might get denied.

Don't agree with this. Modding isn't just about finding mistakes, it's about making maps better. If the mapper took the suggestion, then the modder has helped improve the map, and deserves a kudosu.

As I said... try to avoid only suggestion posts.

Now with bold.

Yeah I noticed the only. What's wrong with suggestion posts? Kudosu is supposed to be given if the post is useful, so if someone gave the mapper a couple of useful suggestions why shouldn't they receive kudos?