Zexous wrote:

Playtest + flow consistency/readability/playability mod

SPOILER

20:17 SuperMICrophone: taiko
20:17 SuperMICrophone: hey zexous wanna mod my map
20:17 SuperMICrophone: or testplay it?
20:17 Zexous: maybe
20:17 Seph: oo taiko
20:17 SuperMICrophone: yes taiko
20:18 WinglessAsura: playtest please
20:18 *WinglessAsura is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/413016 DECO*27 - YUME YUME (Feat. Hatsune Miku)]
20:18 cheesiest: taco
20:18 Seph: damn i miss lepi
20:18 WinglessAsura: sankyu!!
20:18 SuperMICrophone: what were his diff names again seph
20:18 SuperMICrophone: lepidon! oni!
20:18 SuperMICrophone: or somthing
20:19 SuperMICrophone: yeah i got it right
20:19 *Nazalion is editing Masayoshi Minoshima ft. nomico - Bad Apple!!! (SDVX Ver.) [NOVICE]
20:19 SuperMICrophone: i miss yyy
20:19 Zexous: lepidon! Taiko Oni
20:19 Nazalion: stupidyyy
20:19 Zexous: that's how it goes
20:20 SuperMICrophone: zexous testplay please
20:20 Zexous: smic what did you need me to test
20:20 *SuperMICrophone is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/364661 Infected Mushroom - Nevermind]
20:20 Zexous: unless you want me to test your mic
20:20 SuperMICrophone: the oni tho
20:20 Zexous: testing testing 1 2 3
20:20 SuperMICrophone: please
20:20 Zexous: your smic seems to be working i think you can hear me
20:20 SuperMICrophone: please
20:20 Zexous: what taiko
20:20 Zexous: i can't play taiko right after getting on
20:20 SuperMICrophone: the only taiko
20:20 SuperMICrophone: what
20:20 Zexous: wait
20:20 Zexous: this is 130 bpm
20:20 SuperMICrophone: fine play the standard
20:20 Zexous: do you hate me
20:20 CDFA: Man I like how when nano was popular like nobody sexualized her
20:21 SuperMICrophone: wat r u talk about
20:21 Zexous: it's low bpm
20:21 Zexous: and you want me to taiko this
20:21 Zexous: smic do u h8 mi
20:21 Zexous: y hav u 4saken mi
20:21 SuperMICrophone: its 1/6
20:21 SuperMICrophone: please
20:21 cheesiest: did people even know nano was a girl like
20:21 cheesiest: some people didn't even google nano bio
20:21 CDFA: well she wouldn't have been a guy
20:21 CDFA: because when sing
20:21 CDFA: it's like
20:21 cheesiest: becasue when sing
20:21 CDFA: "im grillin"
20:22 SuperMICrophone: LOL
20:22 SuperMICrophone: watch zexous its fun to see him struggle
20:23 cheesiest: anime grill
20:23 Maeglwn: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yo5fE-Zl-V4 this song is ridiculously good]
20:23 SuperMICrophone: zexous come bacl
20:24 Zexous: this is so hard to read smic
20:24 SuperMICrophone: oh
20:24 SuperMICrophone: shame
20:24 Zexous: and i just got on so i can't do well to begin with
20:25 SuperMICrophone: oh
20:25 SuperMICrophone: shame
20:25 Zexous: no but really
20:25 Zexous: it's hard to read
20:25 SuperMICrophone: ok, how to improve readability
20:25 Zexous: higher SV
20:25 Zexous: some parts are also just um
20:25 Zexous: well, bad
20:27 SuperMICrophone: what zexous plays standard
20:28 Zexous: again
20:28 SuperMICrophone: how anticlimactic
20:28 Zexous: i choose to blame just having got on
20:28 Zexous: some of those overlap sliders are balls though
20:28 SuperMICrophone: just nofail it
20:28 Zexous: what no
20:28 Maeglwn: who's map is this
20:28 Zexous: i don't need no fail on this
20:28 SuperMICrophone: youre balls o3o
20:28 Zexous: my mouse went off pad
20:28 Zexous: cause my grip is shit right now
20:28 Zexous: so i failed stream
20:30 SuperMICrophone: theres 3 streams in this btw
20:32 SuperMICrophone: youre better than hula
20:32 ktgster: Hula is scrub
20:35 Zexous: whoa man
20:35 Maeglwn: that map is really good
20:35 SuperMICrophone: i hope ur hand falls off
20:35 Maeglwn: aside from tons of overlaps but
20:35 SuperMICrophone: aw thanks <3
20:35 Zexous: what
20:35 Maeglwn: and that song is amazing
20:35 SuperMICrophone: overlaps can be sexy
20:35 SuperMICrophone: please
20:35 Zexous: why would my hand fall off
20:35 Maeglwn: yea they can be
20:35 Zexous: this is only softcore
20:35 SuperMICrophone: ..l..
20:35 Zexous: only map in this entire game that can make my tap hand hurt is o'er the flood
20:36 SuperMICrophone: was it goooooood
20:36 SuperMICrophone: did you like the map
20:36 Zexous: some parts were pretty much impossible to read
20:36 Zexous: but since that's apparently 2014 meta
20:36 Zexous: the map was pretty damn good yea
20:37 Zexous: oni SV needs to be ramped up hard
20:37 SuperMICrophone: ok well unreadable shit is coconut milk
20:37 SuperMICrophone: tell me where
20:37 Zexous: i'm gonna say 2.0 SV
20:37 Zexous: just universally
20:37 SuperMICrophone: lol for some reason i dont hacve it???????
20:37 SuperMICrophone: no in the standard
20:38 SuperMICrophone: what was unreadable
20:38 Zexous: oh
20:38 Zexous: 01:03:669 (5,6,7,8) - this was a bit stressful cause it doesn't flow into itself
20:39 SuperMICrophone: http://puu.sh/8vGvi.jpg so you prefer this
20:39 SuperMICrophone: ehhhhh but thats kinda awko taco
20:40 Zexous: 02:37:823 (3,4,5,6,1) - danger zone cause weird
20:40 SuperMICrophone: the first repeat slider is supposed to tell you that its tripelts
20:40 SuperMICrophone: in my logic anyhow :^)
20:41 Zexous: yea ik
20:41 SuperMICrophone: you got in your play though
20:41 Zexous: that's why i said danger zone
20:41 Zexous: doesn't need to be changed just be aware that it is iffy
20:41 SuperMICrophone: ok
20:42 Zexous: 04:06:207 (1,2,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - stuff like this
20:42 SuperMICrophone: if oyu post this on the topic u can get some sweet sweet kudosu
20:42 Zexous: esp the spacing after 7 slider
20:42 SuperMICrophone: i tried to match the music
20:43 SuperMICrophone: does the play get sacrificed for this
20:43 SuperMICrophone: that doodleedoodleedoodledoo is spaced further because emphasis
20:43 Zexous: 04:42:669 (2,3,4,5,6) - doesn't look like it but this overlap may cause trouble
20:43 Zexous: matches music but fucks player up hard
20:43 SuperMICrophone: how so
20:44 SuperMICrophone: invisible?
20:44 SuperMICrophone: also again how should i fix it
20:44 Zexous: 04:53:515 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - awk flow
20:44 Zexous: just space it regularly smic
20:44 Zexous: i'm talking about [http://puu.sh/8vGM4.jpg this]
20:44 SuperMICrophone: oh
20:44 SuperMICrophone: yeah that was iffy in my mind when i mapped it
20:45 SuperMICrophone: i thought that 4:53 part had ok flow :s hwo to improve
20:45 SuperMICrophone: ok wait zexous i shlla get more opinions on that spaced repeat slider
20:46 Zexous: flow: http://puu.sh/8vGR9.jpg that is what you have
20:46 Zexous: how it is, the flow is an awkward go around the back of the double and jerk your cursor backwards again
20:46 Zexous: that right there should stay directional flow, like even if you just ctrl+g'd 3 and 4 it would be nicer
20:47 Zexous: the jerking that those doubles cause is icky especially when you hit the 8 slider
20:47 Zexous: cause it's just the complete opposite direction of what is natural movement
20:48 SuperMICrophone: http://puu.sh/8vGZB.jpg here
20:48 SuperMICrophone: zexous
20:49 Zexous: better
20:49 Zexous: imo it would've been better if you just ctrl+g'd
20:49 SuperMICrophone: but then theres the problem of wtf do i do with (5) and (6)
20:49 Zexous: that looks like it's a weird 135 degree angle flow difference
20:49 Zexous: from the end of that 2 to those things
20:49 Zexous: ctrl+g on 5 and 6
20:49 Zexous: and then orient the slider after in the same direction as 3 and 4
20:50 Zexous: or straight up but in the middle of the two horizontally
20:50 Zexous: 05:31:592 (11,1) - danger zone
20:51 SuperMICrophone: http://puu.sh/8vH8p.jpg
20:51 SuperMICrophone: i like (8) better like that... is that ok
20:51 SuperMICrophone: noted
20:51 Zexous: 05:35:515 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3) - i think this is confusing
20:51 Zexous: because you do your spacing change
20:51 Zexous: but not when the music changes
20:51 Zexous: you should do the spacing thing 05:35:515 (4) - here
20:52 SuperMICrophone: mmm iunderstand
20:52 Zexous: cause that's when the music shift is
20:52 SuperMICrophone: yeah ill work all of those spaced sliders out
20:52 SuperMICrophone: oh thats a good diea
20:53 SuperMICrophone: but i dont feel like doing spaced streams T_T
20:53 SuperMICrophone: if hanzer can do it, so can i!
20:53 *SuperMICrophone runs
20:53 Zexous: no just
20:53 Zexous: do what you did with the 7 thing
20:53 Zexous: but on the timeframe i pointed out
20:53 SuperMICrophone: but at (4)?
20:53 SuperMICrophone: ok
20:54 Zexous: i don't have time for in depth mod
20:54 Zexous: shallow mod shall have to suffice i am done
20:54 SuperMICrophone: thats fine
20:54 SuperMICrophone: post on my map saying you help with flow consistancy and ill kd you
20:54 Zexous: ok

mintong89 wrote:

Hi, Taiko M4M request from Nwolf.

[General]

The bitrate of mp3 is 320 kbps, which is unrankable. Please change to 192 kbps.

[Nwolf's Infected Oni]
Disable "Widescreen Support" at Song Setup.

yes. no mod! I'm seriously! this is really fun to play!

no kd, call me back haha.

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_Gezo_ wrote:

[Infected Oni]

About SV, no problems (explained in PM why and that's a good reason to me)
HP drain is not too harsh, but I'd rather see 4.5-4.8 due to its high note count (minor change but in terms of miss needed it'll be accessible to a fair amount of players)
Also, about the BG: apply this:

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This way, the logo will be more visible and centered: screenshot

00:42:028 - Add a d to emphasize the snare on that point (seems like you missed it) additional to that I changed 00:41:875 (271) - to don for more snare emphasis
00:44:336 (290,291,292,293) - I don't think 1/4 fits well, as there's a sound right at this point: 00:44:490 - . (Additionally, 291, if moved, may become a d). The rhythm here is 1/6 as well as it's swiiiing. Did stuff
01:04:759 (23) - 01:23:105 (158,159,160) - 01:26:798 (185,186,187) - 02:51:951 (296,297,298) - 02:55:413 (326,327,328) - All of these should be a swing type pattern as there's no 1/4 cue in the music. Changed them accodingly, making either 1/6 doublets or deleting 1/4
01:30:490 (209,210,211,212,213,214,215,216,217,218,219,220,221) - The speedchanges are a bit confusing, maybe just cut that to the last note? (Right after 221 you put your ×0.8 point, or at least tone your δchange down to 0.02/0.015x per point, instead of 0.03) changed to -0.01 per note and the slow section to 0.83
01:36:028 (10,11,12) - I don't think anything between 10 and 12 would work; as there's nothing really worth of addition.. deleted
01:59:951 (127,128) - kd ? This was really surprising to see at first glance. changed a previous kd to dk instead, wanted to have this so the player keeps concentrating :>
02:09:259 (189) - to 02:16:182 (274) - I feel like the streams are a bit overdone. A bit, I say, and that's just a feeling. idk what you wanna say ;w; Still changed them to at least fit the sound more
02:59:105 (353,354) - Here I think it's better you put only a slider; so you map on the long note all the way instead of having a short break. changed
03:08:336 (44,45) - The opposite applies here: better have d dddk so you feel more the reversed sound on which the slider is mapped. hm idk think the slider here is cool
05:11:567 (159) - dddk instead of D, you have a sequence of 4 notes here as well. changed to kddd
05:16:182 (196,197,198,199) - Move 197 behind 196 so you get dd dk; you miss an important note which makes this small portion a bit weird to play. changed, slightly different kat rhythm
05:59:798 (277,278,279) - Switch that to kkkk 1/6; there's no musical cue as to why 1/4 should be here. hm wanted to slow the pace of the kats slowly to simulate the fade out

Call me back once Nwolf applied changes and you updated the mapset so I repair that first bubble!

1. First of all , fix tag conflicts with AiMod
2. 00:11:721 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Honnestly , I thought that part needs more NC. It's up to you.
3. 00:16:644 (1,2,3) - A straight line would break the flow here. Try to do like that :
   
   example

   
4. 00:57:721 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - These NC are not necessary because you CAN'T see them with the fast AR.
5. 01:03:721 (5,6,7,8) - I'd suggest you to add some curves to these sliders for increasing the flow when playing. Try to curve these sliders like 00:57:721 (1,2,1,2,1,2) -
6. 01:24:490 (6,7) - I don't see the utility of the reverses here. The rhythm isn't really fitting well. Maybe consider to keep the same rhythm as 01:22:182 (5,6) - for example ?
7. 01:32:336 (1) - You could manage to follow the good rhythm here. extend it to 01:32:798 - ?
8. 02:44:951 (3,1) -You can better stack here !
9. 05:07:875 (5,6,7,8) - Consider to reverse for keeping a symmetrical pattern? like 05:18:951 (5,6,7,8) -
10. 05:34:182 (1,2,3) - Same as the second suggestion
11. 05:55:644 (1,2,3) - Same as above

Secretpipe wrote:

Double post ftw o/
Also , I thought the mapset was decent but it's actually okay

Just throwing some suggestions :

[Disregard]

1. First of all , fix tag conflicts with AiMod all fixed
2. 00:11:721 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Honnestly , I thought that part needs more NC. It's up to you. to keep consistency with previous patterns, no NCs here
3. 00:16:644 (1,2,3) - A straight line would break the flow here. Try to do like that : ok, changed
   
   example

   
4. 00:57:721 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - These NC are not necessary because you CAN'T see them with the fast AR. ok, removed
5. 01:03:721 (5,6,7,8) - I'd suggest you to add some curves to these sliders for increasing the flow when playing. Try to curve these sliders like 00:57:721 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - mm, I like the linear sliders here and they still do have flow.
6. 01:24:490 (6,7) - I don't see the utility of the reverses here. The rhythm isn't really fitting well. Maybe consider to keep the same rhythm as 01:22:182 (5,6) - for example ? if you listen to the music, you can hear the dodododododo (basically 1/6 :3) of this part
7. 01:32:336 (1) - You could manage to follow the good rhythm here. extend it to 01:32:798 - ? made the slider repeat, else I would miss emphasis in the rhythm
8. 02:44:951 (3,1) -You can better stack here ! yes, agreed
9. 05:07:875 (5,6,7,8) - Consider to reverse for keeping a symmetrical pattern? like 05:18:951 (5,6,7,8) - ok
10. 05:34:182 (1,2,3) - Same as the second suggestion no change here as I think this fits the song better
11. 05:55:644 (1,2,3) - Same as above did change here, however

Once done, call me back~

Secretpipe wrote:

Let's move this forward!

#2

Lust wrote:

The flame burns bright within the hearts of many

MMzz wrote:

Taiko has issues. Lots of pattern make no sense and should be adjusted properly. Plus there are some unsnapped notes and unrankable finishers.

02:32:798 (142) - 1/6 finishers are not rankable. No matter the rhythm for BPM. I'm not going to timestamp them all, but they all need to be removed. ...

Taiko Ranking Criteria wrote:

Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream. At the end, finish streams may be allowed if there is a reasonable sound for it. Finisher notes at the end of a stream must have the opposite color of the four previous notes.

Taiko Ranking Criteria wrote:

Finish notes must not be in the middle or at the beginning in a 1/4 or above stream.

Taiko Ranking Criteria wrote:

1/4 or above stream.

Do I need to say more?

03:08:336 (44) - This has no apparent purpose for relation to the music and ends up playing weird. Replace it with notes. replaced with 1/2 dons

This next part will have some big changes to make the rhythm more accurate and flowing:
03:15:721 (1) - Change this to don. With a kat here and at the end you are making a confusing swing rhythm that isn't present to what you're mapping. It ends up leaving a lot of confusion on where the rhythm is going in this section, especially when there is no beat to back it up. Starting with a don makes more of a drilling feel that is much more accurate to the current music.
03:18:644 (27) - Change this to don. Like before you are making a conflicting rhythm that is just confusing.
03:20:567 (44) - ^
03:22:413 (60,61) - ^ both notes to don.
03:24:259 (74) - ^
03:25:105 (81) - ^ 03:25:336 (84) - Changed this to kat instead to keep the monocolor...-ness
03:40:644 (231,232) - Swap these two note colors.
03:44:336 (267) - don, same as previous reasons.
03:54:490 (365,366,367,368,369,370,371) - This pattern doesn't really work. Change it to kkdkddk. This will help with my next suggestion. changed to kdddddk patterns instead
03:56:336 (383) - So I'll be blunt, this stream is awful and needs to be changed. The kkkdkkk rhythm doesn't fit when with the rising music. So instead of having a natural stream that makes sense, we have a case of artificial difficulty. Change it to this: http://puu.sh/bXQP6/5ac3f3d3eb.jpg It has an appropriate rhythm to connect well with the music, and is still pretty difficulty with ddkddk kkkddd change ups. Now following my previous suggestion will set up this stream properly so the player flows into it naturally with the music. changed keeping the suggested stream in mind.

04:44:259 (136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,144,145,146,147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159,160) - Another stream that makes no sense. (For the first half at least) You can use the same stream as before to cover this first half that leads into the long kat stream. Yeah after it got ranked I kinda wished that it gets unranked for w/e reason so I can change this stream. Changed it a kinda monocolor stream
04:50:721 (193,194,195,196,197,198,199) - The 1/8 doesn't fit well with the music because you aren't completing the pattern like the music is. Make this all 1/6 instead. http://puu.sh/bXR9n/2e7ddfee48.jpg Or make it like the later patterns with the same music: 04:52:567 (8,9,10,11,12,13) - deleted 1/8 and moved a note to red red line
04:56:643 (42) - Delete. Note isn't nessecary and makes the pattern way too confusing because it doesn't help distinguish a change in rhythm out of the 1/8 into the 1/6.
05:04:028 (101) - ^
05:04:644 (104,105,106,107,108,109,110) - Better suited as kddkddk.

To BATs/Mapper:
That's all. There is no refuting any of this. All off this needs to be changed before it gets reranked.
And please do not forget the 1/6 finishers and unsnapped notes. They are in a few different spots of the map.

1. try to change HP to 5
2. 04:48:028 (185) - try to make this slider end on 04:49:875 - and remove 04:49:875 (186) - because the rhythm is end on 04:49:875 - and also make this slider more easy to play
3. 05:00:028 (66,67,68,69,70) - you put wrong place here

qoot8123 wrote:

just mention few things

[Nwolf's Infected Oni]

1. try to change HP to 5 changed to 4.5 instead, don't want the HP to be too strict. Looks less weird than 4.6!
2. 04:48:028 (185) - try to make this slider end on 04:49:875 - and remove 04:49:875 (186) - because the rhythm is end on 04:49:875 - and also make this slider more easy to play I want the note there to be mapped as note though, so keeping slider (fixed length tho)
3. 05:00:028 (66,67,68,69,70) - you put wrong place here yup fixed

that's all to me , call me back after fixing these