I see the site claims that every song can be passed with using a mouse, which I'm not really here to argue whether or not that is true, but I'm sure there's a limit. Right now I'm trying to learn this song and I can barely keep up with it, and I see the top ranked person did it on Double Time and Hidden(which I don't even wanna talk about), but...can that even be approached with a mouse? O.o

What I'm basically asking is this...can I expect to still not only pass the hardest beatmaps out there, but also rank on them while only using the mouse(I don't even use the keyboard to hit the beats right now)? Note: not at my current skill level of course x:

Also the hell is with the general multiplayer community...they call beatmaps I can't even pass "still slow" :'(

P.S. What's the trick to reading ar10? >.>....other than memorization.

Wildcolt wrote:

P.S. What's the trick to reading ar10? >.>....other than memorization.

You read AR10 by learning to read AR10.

As for the rest of your gibberish, sure there is a limit to how how far you can go with a mouse, but this limit will take you many years of practice to reach. Play and practice. If you have to question things like these then you've obviously not played and practiced enough.

First of all, you learn the game, not a certain map.

A mouse player can be just as good as a tablet user. Also, becoming good with mouse only will take a lot more dedication and practice compared to mouse+keyboard. Since it sounds like you are in a hurry to play harder maps, I'd recommend playing mouse+keyboard. Only limitation a mouse may have is the constant problem of re-positioning your hand while playing but after while you will get better at it. At first it's a pretty big pain.

Tips: Practice
Turn off Mouse Acceleration
Play on the lowest comfortable DPI

First of all you learn the game, not a certain map.

Yea I understand that. That was more of just the song I had played as opposed to trying to memorize it or anything like that. I suppose I should have said "songs of this difficulty level" as opposed to that map in particular.

Since it sounds like you are in a hurry to play harder maps

Not really in a hurry, well maybe...just tired of people picking on me for picking maps that don't have 300+ things to hit per minute >.>

Play on the lowest comfortable DPI

Not an option for me. I have very little room for my mouse to move in and unless I want to go and build me a new desk and custom keyboard tray...it will stay this way. I can't go lower than 800(with max windows sensitivity) or I start ramming into my keyboard/throwing the mouse off the tray xP unless you consider that the comfort zone lol

800 is fine, most people recommend 400-800, going up to 1000ish with bigger screens.

if you have to put max sensitivity in windows settings, you're better off putting them back to 6/11 and compensating the cursor speed with higher dpi. The cursor will move just as fast, but raising mouse speed in windows makes the cursor skip pixels, which you don't want in an precision-based game like osu

No such thing as a limit when you practice hard enough.

TacticalBacon wrote:

"No such thing as a limit when you practice hard enough."

*sniff sniff* that was so inspirational

I appreciate the encouragement, but does anyone in say the top 1000 still use a mouse? I'd just like that hope D:

Wildcolt wrote:

I appreciate the encouragement, but does anyone in say the top 1000 still use a mouse? I'd just like that hope D:

[ Beatrice ], PeaChick(I think), kriers

there are loads of people who still play mouse, most notable ones probably being jappybabes, peachick and doomsday
im also top1k playing with mouse huehue shameless self promotion

I play mouse, and I'm obviously better than silmarilen

Good stuff. Doubts dismissed.

I'm glad that the gameplay of mediocre players is making you feel better about playing with a style that obviously has enough limitations to force most high-end players to finally switch to tablets when they feel like actually getting better at the game (Shizuru-)

While I understand that their gameplay may seem really good to your eyes, once you reach their level you will be infinitely frustrated over how much better people like rrtyui are while playing with a tablet.

what about people like Tom saying that mouse can be as good as tablet

That is purely speculation on his part, he doesn't have any proof to back it up.

If he were any good with a mouse (or a tablet), what he said would have more basis. But as of now there are no mouse players even close to the level of the best tablet players.

To OP:

While mouse has many limitations in regards to being able to play at the highest level of aiming, reaching that level is from your standpoint so far away that you shouldn't think about it. It's perfectly possible to progress to a high level while using a mouse.

Perhaps mouse is your kind of thing, or maybe buying a tablet would unlock a huge skill boost. It's not always the same case with everyone.

thelewa wrote:

As of now there are no mouse players even close to the level of the best tablet players.

I wouldn't delve too deeply into the very best of aim players out there. Even with a tablet, one can't possibly expect there's a good chance he'll have the same potential aiming ability as shizuru or rrtyui.

Other than that, I agree that we won't likely see a mouse player as good as the best of tablet players.

One word. Jumps.
With a mouse they are really difficult to perform without constant practice whereas with a tablet or touchscreen you can jump from one side of the beatmap to the other in miliseconds (DERP)

it takes you seconds to jump from one side of the screen to the other?
wow

@ThePretentiousOne(I'm sure you can figure it out)
I didn't ask if I could compete in the next owc with a mouse, I asked if I would be able to get within the top 500 on the hardest songs out there using a mouse. There's a difference. Also I'd like to believe the top 1000 is no longer considered "mediocre". Also I don't get frustrated from playing with people better than me whether it's due to raw skill or a playstyle choice, trust me. I still play stepmania/xdo one handed and everyone tells me to convert over to two handed, but I don't see their points, mostly because I can fpc songs they claim are impossible to do one handed. I had a limitation with that too, namely in the form of trips and quads, but switching to a keyboard with ghosting capabilities fixed that, which I get switching to a tablet could be a similar thing, but the question is, can it be done with a mouse, given enough practice/effort? That answer was yes, are you arguing otherwise? Exclude that right now the best mouse players can't compete with the best tablet, given enough time, could those best mouse players get to the level the tablet users are at now? If the answer is yes, then you can't argue the point that the mouse is limited.

I don't mind taking the hard road as long as I can eventually get to my destination, gives me a greater feeling of pride anyways.

reaching that level is from your standpoint so far away that you shouldn't think about it.

I dunno, I'd like to think I improve fairly quickly. Considering 3 weeks ago I couldn't consistently pass a 1.99 difficulty and now I'm passing a 4.74 with almost 92% accuracy. I get that it's no Big black, or anthem, or airman, but that's still a hell of an improvement in my book, then again I guess my book is still pretty small in comparison to you guys /shrug

One word. Jumps.
With a mouse they are really difficult to perform without constant practice whereas with a tablet or touchscreen you can jump from one side of the beatmap to the other in miliseconds (DERP)

I dunno, I find jumps aren't THAT bad, they may throw me off the first time, but I usually get them under control in the next playthrough or 3. Though I suppose my jumps are pretty limited and aren't that 5.0+ jump stuff.




After the confidence given to me in this thread, it would take one hell of a brick wall to shake it at this point about being able to do it all with a mouse(even if I lag behind tablet users that have been playing just as long).

Tuxdude143 wrote:

One word. Jumps.
With a mouse they are really difficult to perform without constant practice whereas with a tablet or touchscreen you can jump from one side of the beatmap to the other in miliseconds (DERP)

You make no sense. How fast you are able to jump is all down to your tablet area/mouse sensitivity not to what you are using.

Tuxdude143 wrote:

without constant practice

So you are telling me jumping with tablet doesn't require constant practice? You smell like a mouse user to me.

Wildcolt wrote:

@ThePretentiousOne(I'm sure you can figure it out)
I didn't ask if I could compete in the next owc with a mouse, I asked if I would be able to get within the top 500 on the hardest songs out there using a mouse. There's a difference. Also I'd like to believe the top 1000 is no longer considered "mediocre". Also I don't get frustrated from playing with people better than me whether it's due to raw skill or a playstyle choice, trust me. I still play stepmania/xdo one handed and everyone tells me to convert over to two handed, but I don't see their points, mostly because I can fpc songs they claim are impossible to do one handed. I had a limitation with that too, namely in the form of trips and quads, but switching to a keyboard with ghosting capabilities fixed that, which I get switching to a tablet could be a similar thing, but the question is, can it be done with a mouse, given enough practice/effort? That answer was yes, are you arguing otherwise? Exclude that right now the best mouse players can't compete with the best tablet, given enough time, could those best mouse players get to the level the tablet users are at now? If the answer is yes, then you can't argue the point that the mouse is limited.

You don't have to be good at the game to compete in the OWC, you can also be in the top 10 and still be mediocre at the game

The best mouse players still haven't reached the point that Cookiezi was at over 2 years ago, so I'm inclined to say that this game will be abandoned before mouse players can reach the level that rrtyui plays at right now. And even saying that mouse players can someday reach the level of the current top tablet players is purely speculation. As long as they haven't reached that level you can't say that they will someday, because you have no proof of it.

But if you want to impose artificial limitations on yourself in a vain attempt to make yourself feel better, be my guest.

Is it only me who thinks that Jumps are not scary with mouse?


I find some patterns ridiculously difficult, but 90% is not about jumps (and those 10% are hard for tabletguys too)

Aiming at streams, especially those high-spaced and curvy is a real challenge.

Only thing which can be hard in jumping is sudden change of spacing, commonly found in siriru's maps. But still I don't think tablet is at advantage there.

Ikki wrote:

Tuxdude143 wrote:

One word. Jumps.
With a mouse they are really difficult to perform without constant practice whereas with a tablet or touchscreen you can jump from one side of the beatmap to the other in miliseconds (DERP)

You make no sense. How fast you are able to jump is all down to your tablet area/mouse sensitivity not to what you are using.

Tuxdude143 wrote:

without constant practice

So you are telling me jumping with tablet doesn't require constant practice? You smell like a mouse user to me.

Thats because I AM a mouse user.

You don't have to be good at the game to compete in the OWC, you can also be in the top 10 and still be mediocre at the game

Wow...I think we're done here. I don't think I've ever heard of such high standards. So you're #3, are you mediocre? No? Of course not, but I bet you think #4 is. /eyeroll

The best mouse players still haven't reached the point that Cookiezi was at over 2 years ago, so I'm inclined to say that this game will be abandoned before mouse players can reach the level that rrtyui plays at right now.

That makes it sound like there actually is a limit at some point that the mouse just can't seem to cross. Wonder what it is...it's apparently pretty damned high level whatever it is.

But if you want to impose artificial limitations on yourself in a vain attempt to make yourself feel better, be my guest.

Not really, I just don't want to go out and get a tablet to play a game. I also want to be able to enjoy this game at a high level while using my mouse, I'm not here to be the next cookiezi/rrtyui. Hell at this point, just being able to keep up with some of the harder ar9s would make me happy.

I consider myself below average in terms of overall skill. You're just assuming things about me which is pretty insulting.

Also I agree with AmaiHachimitsu, jumps are not the hard part of playing with a mouse. Following streams is the hard thing, the one part where a tablet has the most advantage over the mouse because of the nature of each device.

Mouse + Keyboard here. I'm pretty bad though and my aim sucks, but I agree about the jumps and following streams thing. The latter is definitely more difficult. Also, having to reposition the hand more often, especially if the mouse is bigger than you'd like, is a pain. Though you of course also have to regrip a pen.

I consider myself below average in terms of overall skill.

Below average? The hell is the size of your group? Is it just you, cookiezi, and rrtyui? I would say a good 75-80% that I come across in multi can't even pass all these songs you're in the top 5 of. So you're certainly not below average there, you're not below average according to rank, just what the hell are you below average of? Or are you just one of those people that like to fish for comments to make themselves feel better?

You're just assuming things about me which is pretty insulting.

I'm only working with the information I have available, feel free to give me some more to work with.


Btw, do you know of a beatmap that's not >ar8 that has one of these streams that are so hard so I can see what's coming?(assuming they all aren't ar9+)

Well, I only use mouse too and I can play some insane selections from OWC.
My friend also says that given enough practice, everyone can come to play the hardest diffs.
(e.g big black/freedom dive/atama no taisou etc.)

Wildcolt wrote:

I consider myself below average in terms of overall skill.

Below average? The hell is the size of your group? Is it just you, cookiezi, and rrtyui?

Pretty much yeah