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anonymous_old

Rolled wrote:

Vote ASH. He's never mafia/wolf, so he has to be mafia now.

In before

Rolled wrote:

ASH why are you bandwagoning you silly man.
That's a logical fallacy, sir.
adam2046
Vote: m980
Don't think you can get away with being inactive in mafia.
gamerrox

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: m980
Don't think you can get away with being inactive in mafia.
anonymous_old
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m980
Teehee

Random Vote: 0_o
Two_old

Rolled wrote:

Vote ASH. He's never mafia/wolf, so he has to be mafia now.
you haven't been either
anonymous_old

Two wrote:

Rolled wrote:

Vote ASH. He's never mafia/wolf, so he has to be mafia now.
you haven't been either
Two logic.

Vote: Rolled
Echo
Despite it being a logical fallacy, I didn't point it out because I thought Rolled was testing ASH.

@Rolled: If you were indeed doing that, what do you think now?
0_o
I thought Rolled was just joking around =/
anonymous_old
I think Rolled knows what I think.
Rolled

Echo wrote:

Despite it being a logical fallacy, I didn't point it out because I thought Rolled was testing ASH.

@Rolled: If you were indeed doing that, what do you think now?
It wasn't so much of a test as it was sarcasm. But if I had to gather results based on what his response was, well, I can't. Not enough information.

Though I don't like m980's PV save. Obviously we are all voting randomly but you have to at least come around a bit and have some fun chitchat. One post a day (mafia time) does not benefit town at all.

unvote
vote: m980 until you post more :(

Two wrote:

you haven't been either
so mean
anonymous_old
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adam2046
Vote count please?

And someone make a cop claim or something, I'm bored.
0_o
Vote Count

adam: ASH, Echo (2)
Rolled: Two, strager (2)
m980: adam, Rolled (2)
ASH: 0_o (1)
0_o: m980 (1)

Not Voting: gamerrox
Derekku

adam2046 wrote:

Vote count please?

And someone make a cop claim or something, I'm bored.
Role Claim: Non-Player

Happy? :T

*runs before LS kills him*
gamerrox

0_o wrote:

Not Voting: gamerrox
o.O I voted.


[quote=adam2046]Vote: m980
Don't think you can get away with being inactive in mafia.[/quote]
anonymous_old

gamerrox wrote:

0_o wrote:

Not Voting: gamerrox
o.O I voted.


[quote=I suck at tags]Vote: m980
Don't think you can get away with being inactive in mafia.[/quote]
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0_o
Yeah I just went off of strager's vote count that he's keeping here
Two_old
unvote, vote adam2046
m980

Rolled wrote:

One post a day (mafia time) does not benefit town at all.

unvote
vote: m980 until you post more :(
If you vote for me for this reason, then go away.

There are no phantom votes in Mafia.

gamerrox could be voted for the exact same reason as me. I'm not sure why he is less suspicious than I am, because he bandwagon'd without adding any more argument against me (using someone else's argument)

Unvote

Vote: gamerrox
gamerrox

m980 wrote:

because he bandwagon'd.
That's about the jist of it. Because it is so early in the game, there can possibly be no backing to any votes as of now. My gut feelings and ONLY my gut feelings lean towards you. Learning from my mistakes of "refusing to vote", I feel like now is a time to step up and actually vote. Until I can find any backing for anyone else, I have to trust my gut feeling. If you can convince me otherwise, then I will gladly retract my vote. But because I need to make a vote this time around and my gut feeling is the only thing that rings in my head, I have to go for you.
adam2046
You forget that you're not actually voting Gamer.
Echo
More intuition, Two? Seriously, at least *try* to explain your votes.

Also, unvote - didn't realise I still had one on adam.
Two_old
intuition doesn't exist as most people see it

it really is just subconscious interpretations of nuances

anonymous_old

gamerrox wrote:

gut feeling gut feeling gut feeling
Uh-huh.

m980 wrote:

Rolled wrote:

One post a day (mafia time) does not benefit town at all.

unvote
vote: m980 until you post more :(
If you vote for me for this reason, then go away.

There are no phantom votes in Mafia.

gamerrox could be voted for the exact same reason as me. I'm not sure why he is less suspicious than I am, because he bandwagon'd without adding any more argument against me (using someone else's argument)

Unvote

Vote: gamerrox
To me it looks like m980 is Rolled's Mafia buddy, judging from that post alone.
0_o

strager wrote:

To me it looks like m980 is Rolled's Mafia buddy, judging from that post alone.
err.. what? How does that connect Rolled and m980 at all?
anonymous_old

0_o wrote:

strager wrote:

To me it looks like m980 is Rolled's Mafia buddy, judging from that post alone.
err.. what? How does that connect Rolled and m980 at all?
To me, everything m980 said was saying "I'm going to vote Rolled," but he voted gamerrox.

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding, but even after reading a few times I don't understand why he didn't vote Rolled instead.
anonymous_old
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m980
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anonymous_old

m980 wrote:

First half of post - Defending myself from all of Rolled's points.
Second Half - Reasons for voting gamerrox.

I don't understand your logic.
Basically, this:

m980 wrote:

Rolled wrote:

One post a day (mafia time) does not benefit town at all.

unvote
vote: m980 until you post more :(
If you vote for me for this reason, then go away.

There are no phantom votes in Mafia.

gamerrox could be voted for the exact same reason as me. I'm not sure why he is less suspicious than I am [...]
(Emphasis added.)

You are questioning why Rolled didn't go for gamerrox, then go for gamerrox yourself. As I said, it looks like you're buddying with Rolled.
m980
I'm just voting for someone who I feel is the most suspicious.

I'm questioning why everyone that voted for me didn't vote for gamerrox.

gamerrox - quoted other people without adding any reasoning whatsoever.

adam2046 wrote:

Vote: m980
Don't think you can get away with being inactive in mafia.
Not posting? gamerrox was also guilty of this at the time.

gamerrox wrote:

gutfeeling etc etc etc
Gut Feeling? pffffft.

Rolled wrote:

Though I don't like m980's PV save. Obviously we are all voting randomly but you have to at least come around a bit and have some fun chitchat. One post a day (mafia time) does not benefit town at all.
Seriously?

But whatever, I'm already dead.
adam2046
Unvote
Vote: Gamerrox

That "I'm already dead" attitude isn't doing you any favours m980, but at least you've posted some.
I was planning to do this as soon as you posted, bloody trying to vote someone by quoting me really got on my nerves.
anonymous_old
m980, do you understand the concept of the Random Vote Stage?
m980
It didn't seem like random voting.
gamerrox
But it is.
[/joke] Don't make me pull out the "gut feeling" card out.
anonymous_old

gamerrox wrote:

But it is.
[/joke] Don't make me pull out the "gut feeling" card out.
Don't you mean:

gamerrox wrote:

But it is.
[horrible-joke] Don't make me pull out the "gut feeling" card out. [/horrible-joke]
gamerrox
Read my mind like a mop.
.__. Does that even make any sense?
anonymous_old
Fuck the shut up before I modkill you.
Echo
Funnily enough, I can't recall a single game on osu! so far where scum actually used "I'm already dead"/etc. as a plea for not getting lynched. It's always the townies that say that, which is why I'm leaning towards m980 innocent. It's a bit counterintuitive, but then again there's nothing against this being a town tell for games at osu.

On the other hand, to me strager is grasping at straws, similar to what I was trying to do as scum in a few older games and a game where I failed miserably as scum on D1 at MS.

だから vote strager
anonymous_old
I may be "grasping straws" but m980's post really strikes me, which is why I'm suspicious of him.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Votecount:

adam - 2 (ASH, two)
m980 - 2 (rolled, strager)
gamerrox - 2 (m980, adam)
ASH - 1 (0_o)
strager - 1 (Echo)

If deadline were to hit now, nobody would be lynched.
adam2046
I'd like the reason from the people voting me, for voting me.
0_o
unvote
vote strager


I'm kind of agreeing with Echo on this one
Two_old
unvote, vote strager
because he's the most active poster here and it's amusing to think of him not being able to post here
anonymous_old

Two wrote:

unvote, vote strager
because he's the most active poster here and it's amusing to think of him not being able to post here
=[

I post to try to get this game more active. See M2, for example. It seems to have worked except...

It seems you're all getting sheeped by Echo.

Still, I think the Freudian slip by m980 is more incriminating. Why would he question Rolled's judgment then completely ignore his own questioning?
adam2046
I'd still like a reason Two.
anonymous_old
I guess I'm dead? =[
Echo
Vote count please.
anonymous_old

Echo wrote:

Vote count please.
Here you go.
Two_old
this is one long day
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
*Something cool had been written out here, but the host's browser decided to be stupid and crash. Therefore, the host just smites strager.*

strager - Mafia Roleblocker - Lynched D1

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It is now night 1. Please send in all night actions by tuesday at this time.
gamerrox
o.o Wow...I guess I have my doubts about you now, m980.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
In the future, please don't post during night, gamerrox.
anonymous_old
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu
*m980 is found face down in a river, with a mithril sword through his heart.*

m980 - Vanilla Townie - Killed N1

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It is now Day 2. You have one week.
Two_old
hii I have a question for everyone

who, in your opinion, is the least likely to be mafia?
adam2046
Smart arse answer: me.
Real answer: absolutely no one.

There's no way for anyone to be least likely to be mafia in my mind (inb4 "hurr, that means you're mafia")
0_o
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Echo
If the mafia were going to bus one of their own, would it make any sense to take out the roleblocker? Wifom, I know, but if either Two or 0_o were mafia, then they made an extremely risky move by killing the roleblocker, since this gives the town a very valuable piece of information: both the cop and doctor (if they exist) now know that the other one exists.

In fact, if the cop exists, you can speak up right now about investigations since you know the doctor exists. The doctor should of course not reveal himself. Then the doctor can protect the cop tonight.

As of now, I'm pretty sure 0_o and Two are both not Mafia.

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gamerrox wrote:

o.o Wow...I guess I have my doubts about you now, m980.
What did "doubts" mean - that you thought he was scum or that you thought he was pro-town?

Agent Spin Here wrote:

I can do it this time. JOIN!

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Rolled wrote:

ASH why are you bandwagoning you silly man.
Becuase I suck at mafia and ww and stuff. I don't even know why I keep joining these.
Not quite a contradiction, but this just seems wrong - when Ash joined this game it looks to me like he was excited and a little confident (while being sarcastic) but then when Rolled asked a simple question he instantly reverted to explaining it on a lack of skill. Where are you anyway?
adam2046
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0_o

adam2046 wrote:

Also I don't get:

Echo wrote:

then they made an extremely risky move by killing the roleblocker, since this gives the town a very valuable piece of information: both the cop and doctor (if they exist) now know that the other one exists.
I'm not thinking with all my brain power right now because it's early, but I don't really understand how this works, are you saying that because the roleblocker exists the cop and doctor exist?
It consists of one of the following combinations of roles:
• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 5 Vanilla Townies.
• 1 Mafia Goon, 1 Mafia Roleblocker, 7 Vanilla Townies.
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Cop, 6 Vanilla Townies.
• 2 Mafia Goons, 1 Doctor, 6 Vanilla Townies.
Since there is a roleblocker, this cancels out the bottom two possibilities, so the setup has to be one of the first two. There is either a doctor and a cop, or we are all vanillas.
gamerrox
Mainly, yes. I felt that m980 was scum, but like I said before, it was part of the random voting phase and part of my gut feeling. The only thing now is that I have to start from point A again.
Two_old
vote Agent Spin Here
Mashley
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0_o
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Mashley
wait what...
Two_old
not wanting to post in the thread is both cowardly and harmful to the town
anonymous_old
/me snickers.
Rolled
I was just skimming the thread. Let it be known that while I have a lot of catching up to do,

0_o wrote:

But hey, who knows what Echo and Two (or myself) are capable of
I did not like that statement.

edit: oh cool roleblocker is dead. Again, I apologize. It was just a quick click of page 8 and started reading from the top. Had I realized 0_o voted for strager, who happened to be roleblocker, I would not have made such an accusation/assumption so easily. Give me a day to read the last 8 pages of this thread and I'll try to gather more valuable opinions.
0_o

Rolled wrote:

I was just skimming the thread. Let it be known that while I have a lot of catching up to do,

0_o wrote:

But hey, who knows what Echo and Two (or myself) are capable of
I did not like that statement.

edit: oh cool roleblocker is dead. Again, I apologize. It was just a quick click of page 8 and started reading from the top. Had I realized 0_o voted for strager, who happened to be roleblocker, I would not have made such an accusation/assumption so easily. Give me a day to read the last 8 pages of this thread and I'll try to gather more valuable opinions.
haha yeah, I threw "myself" in because if I didn't I just knew someone would say "Or you" :P
Echo
I will also vote: ASH unless he or someone convinces me otherwise.

It's interesting how just like saying "I'm already dead"/etc. is a town tell even though it looks scummy, including yourself in a list of suspects (like what 0_o did) is also a town tell when it looks equally scummy. For games here anyway.

I hope Rolled finishes his reread and makes a post soon.

I also hate it when people say they don't post because "nothing's happening". Then make something happen, rather than use it as an excuse.
gamerrox
Although I am quite a hypocrite on this, it seems as if ASH is trying to defend himself by saying that he's not posting too much. Again, it's the only "evidence" I have on him, but it sure is enough for me to vote, since I really can't find anyone else suspicious of. (again x_X)

VOTE: Agent Spin Here
Echo
...then again I didn't expect someone to hammer BEFORE Rolled got a chance to make his reread/post.

/me has eyes on gamerrox
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Votecount:

ASH - 4 (adam2046, Two, Echo, gamerrox)

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*ASH dies of something. Yeh, I'm really not creative for now. But, there's gibs.*

ASH - Doctor - Lynched D2

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It is now Night 2. Please send all night actions by Monday at this time.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
adam2046 is found hanging from a tree, with a kryptonite sword stuck in him. Also gibs.

adam2046 - Vanilla Townie - Killed N2.

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It is now D3. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is next week at this time.
gamerrox
Alright, I guess it's time to go all out. I'm a cop. I admit it. I decided to check on Echo and discovered that he's scum. Don't believe me, fine, go ahead. Vote for me if you wish, but if you do, be warned that you'll find out that I AM a cop. Please, PLEASE believe me, I KNOW that Echo is scum, you HAVE TO trust me on this.

On that case:
Vote: Echo

I've done what I can do. Vote for me or vote for him, but please understand that I'm not lying on this.
Echo
Claim: cop
n1: Two, innocent
n2: gamerrox, innocent

Do you know how bad it is for town when you fake claim cop as a townie? Just because you've got a hunch on me, it doesn't mean you need to claim cop to do something about it. Now all you've managed to do is expose me after the doctor is dead. Good luck with the rest of the game.
gamerrox
I'm claiming cop because I AM a cop. Don't think that because you're claiming me as innocent that you're going to get away with this.

Don't listen to him, I'm being honest here. Make your decisions based on what we have said, but understand that if I die today and you discover me as a cop that way, please avenge me and take down this impostor.

Interesting that you decided to claim that I'm innocent instead of going for a frontal assault and say that I'm guilty. If you're not trying to take me down, then who are you trying to lynch this time?

To everyone else, please vote for either one of us. That way you can discover the truth.
0_o
gamerrox, what results did you get the first night?
gamerrox
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0_o
*facepalm*

anyway..

Echo, why would you investigate Two when you said here that him and I were very likely to be town? The cop is trying to find the mafia, so why would you investigate one of the least suspicious people?
Also:

Echo wrote:

In fact, if the cop exists, you can speak up right now about investigations since you know the doctor exists. The doctor should of course not reveal himself. Then the doctor can protect the cop tonight.
So.. why didn't you say anything before? It looks a lot to me like Echo is scrambling right now.

We need to lynch either gamerrox or Echo so we know which results to trust. Even disregarding the above suspicions, I strongly believe we should lynch Echo today for the following reasons:

Echo lynch - either Mafia or Cop
- If he turns out to be mafia, we win
- If he turns out to be a cop, then we will know Two and gamerrox are innocent. One of them will be NK'd, but we will have a confirmed innocent in the final 3, giving us at least a 50% shot of winning [worst case scenario]

Here are the possibilities of a gamerrox lynch:
gamerrox lynch - either Cop or Vanilla
-If he turns out Cop, we know Echo is mafia, and we lynch him tomorrow and we win
-If he turns out Vanilla, we know nothing since Echo would know gamerrox is innocent whether he was the cop or mafia. We can't rely on the fact that the mafia would kill Echo tonight because they may very well keep Echo around for WIFOM reasons.[worst case scenario]

Soooo yeah

vote Echo
Echo

0_o wrote:

Echo, why would you investigate Two when you said here that him and I were very likely to be town?
I know the extent of my deductive abilities (they're not that great). Despite what I said, it wasn't 100% impossible that the other scum was in on the lynch. I did the same thing in NM2 where I was *sure* strager was mafia - I investigated him the first night and got innocent, which to be honest was like a slap in the face

0_o wrote:

Also:

Echo wrote:

In fact, if the cop exists, you can speak up right now about investigations since you know the doctor exists. The doctor should of course not reveal himself. Then the doctor can protect the cop tonight.
So.. why didn't you say anything before? It looks a lot to me like Echo is scrambling right now.
At that stage, I had no guilty result. I wanted to draw attention away from myself being cop so I could at least get one more night. I thought this would have been pretty obvious to someone like you :/

edit:

Also you're forgetting the other options: no lynch, or lynching someone other than gamer or me. Intentionally obscuring choices in order to mislead people?

edit2:
Just fyi, I'm L-1, please no "oh i didn't know i was the hammerer"
gamerrox
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gamerrox
In case you need more convincing...

If I am actually scum, why on earth would Echo claim cop and say I'm innocent? Why would I claim cop if I'm not? I'm pro-town and claiming cop because you simply want to influence everyone else's decision is simply stupid. Why would I want to mislead you if I'm pro-town?

Just something to think about.
Two_old
vote echo

honestly it makes no sense for either of you two to lie, since if one of you are mafia then the best you could hope for would be 2 humans+yourself remaining... that still would make you lose

maybe rolled is mafia like I said at the very beginning, but I don't like how echo handled this
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Final Votecount:

Echo - 3 (gamerrox, 0_o, Two)

*The day draws to an end, one person claims to be a cop that knows who is guilty, and the other claims he knows who is innocent. It's decided that one of these cops has to die. Echo has to go.*

Echo - Mafia Goon - Lynched D3.

Town wins!
gamerrox
:D Yay! I actually feel like I did something good this game. Good game everyone!
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Notes:

I was sure Echo/strager had lost after D1 ended.

ASH protected Echo D1.

gamer forgot his ability D1.

Echo created the deathscenes for night.

Town may have won earlier if gamer had acted D1.

Town should've given time for a claim from ASH or strager.
0_o
FINALLY a NM town win :D

I actually realized this morning that we didn't have to lynch Echo to find out his results, since his partner was gone anyway gamerrox and Two would have been cleared whether he was mafia or not :P Still, I had a pretty good idea that gamerrox was smart enough to not claim cop if he was townie, so Echo was still the right choice in that situation.

I suspected ASH having an aux role when he said this when votes were piling on him. It was just a hunch though, and I kind of forgot about it after the first day :P But even if I did remember I don't think I could have defended him without giving him away.
gamerrox

LadySuburu wrote:

Town may have won earlier if gamer had acted D1.
.__. Okay...I feel less great about winning now.
0_o
lol who cares, a win is a win
adam2046
Gamer really needs to work on convincing people, if Echo wasn't so inconsistent he probably would have been lynched.
anonymous_old
Yup.

gamerrox is a newbie Pasonia.

Wait.
Echo
Once gamer claimed, the only way I could win was if I could postpone gamer's death until the last night, since on D3 you still had 2 lynches left. If I tried to lynch gamer D3, then he would have been revealed as cop and I would still lose D4.

So I had to go for a no lynch or lynching someone else.

I don't know why I killed strager, forgot he was roleblocker, sorry ._.
Two_old
fyi the reason why I asked that question at the start of day 2 was because I suspected echo /flex
anonymous_old

Echo wrote:

I don't know why I killed strager, forgot he was roleblocker, sorry ._.
Dickface. Fix your avatar. Then you'll play better.
0_o
Also I want to point out that this is the first time a mafia member has even been lynched in a Newbie Mafia game.

Two wrote:

fyi the reason why I asked that question at the start of day 2 was because I suspected echo /flex
And you also suspected ASH. And Rolled. And adam2046.
You were bound to get it right eventually :P
Echo

0_o wrote:

Also I want to point out that this is the first time a mafia member has even been lynched in a Newbie Mafia game.
And only because I bussed him ^^
anonymous_old
Beep beep.
Derekku

adam2046 wrote:

Gamer really needs to work on convincing people.
This. Gamer, begging and pleading will NOT make people believe you. You need to be confident and aggressive and be like YO THIS IS WHAT I THINK blah blah blah (but oops a lot of people make that mistake at the beginning [myself included orz])

:T
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