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What is considered 'good'?

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johandrossi
30 posts
Joined May 2013
Topic Starter
johandrossi
I used to think that I was a very balanced player, until I downloaded the OWC2013 map packs. About half of the maps, I can't even pass because I fail on long streams 190bpm+. I also can't apply HR to the maps that I'm supposed to, because I can't read ar>9. That applies to hd too, where my acc just dies.

On the other hand, the really jumpy maps, tricky pattern maps, or high bpm streamless maps, I can do absolutely fine, with 0-5 breaks 97+ acc.

What I want to know is, what skills/kinds of maps should I be prioritizing my practice on? About a month ago I could only stream 120~ (yea it was that bad), and I spammed the long stream practices until now I'm able to do 180 (100 notes-ish). Perhaps I should keep on doing those? Or is it more useful of a skill to be able to play mods, like HD/HR?

Map recommendations would be awesome too. I only have high bpm single-tap maps, like vals etc. so even if someone told me what to practice I wouldn't be able to.
Vmx
178 posts
Joined July 2011
Vmx
It's ok I can't pass owc maps too.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Vmx wrote:

It's ok I can't pass owc maps too.
iSpR1Te
268 posts
Joined May 2013
iSpR1Te
"What is considered 'good'?"

imo - Being able to full combo a song with good accuracy within a reasonable number of tries is considered good. Just being able to pass and map doesn't mean you are good at that map or those particular skills required to play the map.
jesse1412
1,457 posts
Joined January 2010
jesse1412

iSpR1Te wrote:

"What is considered 'good'?"

imo - Being able to full combo a song with good accuracy within a reasonable number of tries is considered good. Just being able to pass and map doesn't mean you are good at that map or those particular skills required to play the map.
I completely disagree. I don't give a fuck about people who SS insanes, I care about people who pass the big freedom pony man no taisou.
iSpR1Te
268 posts
Joined May 2013
iSpR1Te

jesus1412 wrote:

iSpR1Te wrote:

"What is considered 'good'?"

imo - Being able to full combo a song with good accuracy within a reasonable number of tries is considered good. Just being able to pass and map doesn't mean you are good at that map or those particular skills required to play the map.
I completely disagree. I don't give a fuck about people who SS insanes, I care about people who pass the big freedom pony man no taisou.
I think you miss understood me. When I said "good accuracy", I meant about 97%+ accuracy, not necessarily only 100%. My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps. For example, most people can PASS airman because of the low drain even with a ton of misses but only a few GOOD players can actually full combo it with relatively good accuracy.
RaneFire
1,181 posts
Joined May 2011
RaneFire
"Good" has always been used to describe the middle ground of "success" (between "acceptable" and "excellent"), whatever the context may be. In the scope of computer games, it's a rather complex mishmash of achieved goals, how far you've come, and comparing yourself to others. It is mostly a personal view that you have developed over the course of playing the game, so the best answer I can give you is:

If you have no idea what"good" is yet, then you probably aren't "good"... yet.

Knowing that the owc maps are very high difficulty (like those mod pools), is actually a step in the right direction of figuring out what "good" is and your post already indicates that you have an idea. But because of your lack of experience (not referring to skill), your idea was shattered because this was the first owc you saw and probably guessed this was the standard, since it was still group stages. But this year's map pool is actually much harder compared to last year and the group stages are a bit of a joke, but I kinda like it this way. It's more fun to watch.
Omgforz
166 posts
Joined November 2010
Omgforz
It's futile trying to define "good".

I still consider myself pretty bad, and will not stop until I achieved something I might call myself good for.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
you're good if you make goals for yourself and succeed to meet them

you're bad if you fail to meet your goals or play without any goals
Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe
Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.

Everyone would define good differently. I guess the best way is to find a point that you see as good, and work to that. Once you reach it, maybe raise the bar a bit. It brings in a constant hunger for improvement.

Don't rely on people telling you what is good.
Pettanko
246 posts
Joined September 2012
Pettanko
@OP if it makes you feel better it took me almost a year just to go from streaming 120~ bpm to doing streams of 170~ bpm, and even now I still have trouble with 170-180 bpm streams with more than 17 notes.
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost
Not many people classify themselves as good, not even people in the top 100.
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
the only good person is cookiezi, and he died, thus no one is good at this game
Full Tablet
2,542 posts
Joined September 2011
Full Tablet
The question is very subjective, being "good" is just a label used to classify high level of skill (being able to do things), talent (being able to do things without much effort) or performance (things someone has done).
Also, each of these aspects aren't even measured in a one-dimensional scale: a player can be good at streaming 240bpm, while being bad at playing HD in easier maps (or the other way around). That makes it even more subjective.
kleps
139 posts
Joined July 2013
kleps

iSpR1Te wrote:

My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps.
So you are telling me people who pass Pretender + DT are worse than people who FC random maps? Alright.
iSpR1Te
268 posts
Joined May 2013
iSpR1Te

sKyrOw wrote:

iSpR1Te wrote:

My point was that just being able to pass a map with 85-90% with misses isn't that good compared to 97% full combo on most maps.
So you are telling me people who pass Pretender + DT are worse than people who FC random maps? Alright.
Nope. I'm saying people that can DT pretender with a couple misses compared to people that can FC it with DT are in a completely different skill level from each other. I'm not comparing two different maps and their accuracy and misses; I'm comparing two different players on the same map. Just because you can clear a map doesn't mean you are good at that map in most situations.
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Raging Bull
2,785 posts
Joined June 2010
Raging Bull

Bauxe wrote:

Remember, most people in the OWC have 30-50k+ playcount, whist you only have 9k. As you play, you will improve. Simple as that.
Play count doesn't really help. There are quite a few people with 60+ play count and not that good.
kleps
139 posts
Joined July 2013
kleps

iSpR1Te wrote:

are in a completely different skill level from each other
Oh so you are telling me that people who can FC certain map are better than people which can pass that map? Wow, never knew.

iSpR1Te wrote:

people that can FC it with DT
Except there are no such people, doubt that anyone else besides H4ppySt1ck has ever passed it.
iSpR1Te
268 posts
Joined May 2013
iSpR1Te

sKyrOw wrote:

iSpR1Te wrote:

are in a completely different skill level from each other
Oh so you are telling me that people who can FC certain map are better than people which can pass that map? Wow, never knew.
Exactly. It takes a lot more skill to full combo a song than just clear a map with misses, for various reasons that you probably don't understand. This is especially true on very hard maps. If this wasn't true, then the ranking system would not reward people for Full Combos but give a larger reward for clearing extremely difficult feats.

sKyrOw wrote:

iSpR1Te wrote:

people that can FC it with DT
Except there are no such people, doubt that anyone else besides H4ppySt1ck has ever passed it.
Yup, was just an example. Used the same map as you used so you could relate/understand better.

Edit: for some reason I really feel the need to justify my opinion.. :o
AmaiHachimitsu
1,639 posts
Joined May 2011
AmaiHachimitsu
Play count doesn't really help.
The stupidest post in this thread.




Topic:
Good for me is above average + consistency. If you want to be considered "good" by me you should match my level, that's enough.

I consider myself good since I don't have what it takes to become serious killer or "pro" but there aren't many maps that I can't pass, making me "good". I try not to be prudish like most of players. I know what I am capable of and I don't think there's anything wrong with stating that (though people tend to call me "cocky" or "conceited", fair enough). Calling yourself shit is not okay IMO.

Ok, back to the topic again, I'll put it simply.

OWC Group Stage maps are quite easy so you should FC them in less than 10 tries (Roze is exception) in order to be "pretty good".


btw. why do people even ask about relative things? T.T
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
3,403 posts
Joined July 2010
Oinari-sama
I think that question is hard to answer because the standard is constantly changing. There will be no breakthroughs if the bar has always stayed at the same height.

Imo in the end, it's all in the eyes of the beholder
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