Is it 100% sure you're survvior? If yes, you'll die anyway don't you?

How does me being a survivor mean I'll die no matter what?

oh well it's a variation of survivor, my bad (mafiawiki)

but yeah, you're most likeli not a survivor, you just simply avoided my question.

I didn't answer your question because it was ridiculous. What would you expect me to answer for it, pretty much ever?

Your assertion in the same post was much more relevant to talk about.

It's obviosuly not ridiciulous? You know i don't trust you, and this whole thing doesn't make it better.

If your question wasn't ridiculous, answer my question or at the very least respond to it. Responding to my attack on your question by ignoring it doesn't make it any stronger.

CalignoBot wrote:

Actually, Lincolm being an anti-town faction hunting for other anti-town factions and shooting me last night makes a lot of sense. That's the only way I can see him wanting my lynch so badly.

Phone post.

Har har har.

Survivor claim. Remember that? You're claiming you're town now? You're afraid to lose because I'm pushing your lynch now. Your win condition isn't same with town, you can either work with town or scum. Scum won't kill you if they are outnumbered with town.

I claimed IC and you said I'm anti-town? Good good, I have enough reason to lynch you.

Everyone, lynch this guy. I won't remove my vote until Caligno get lynched.

@Mod : Please confirm me as IC, thanks

Lincolm wrote:

CalignoBot wrote:

Actually, Lincolm being an anti-town faction hunting for other anti-town factions and shooting me last night makes a lot of sense. That's the only way I can see him wanting my lynch so badly.

Phone post.

Har har har.

Survivor claim. Remember that? You're claiming you're town now? You're afraid to lose because I'm pushing your lynch now. Your win condition isn't same with town, you can either work with town or scum. Scum won't kill you if they are outnumbered with town.

I claimed IC and you said I'm anti-town? Good good, I have enough reason to lynch you.

Everyone, lynch this guy. I won't remove my vote until Caligno get lynched.

@Mod : Please confirm me as IC, thanks

If you want to get me lynched, make a case on why I'm a scum faction instead of a survivor.

Saying I'm not a survivor because I'm bulletproof (which is the closest thing I can see to a case) doesn't make any sense.

Vote: CalignoBot

The way you write, the way you react. Your behaviour since D1.

That's not going to cut it.

Make a full case. Don't bullshit onto a wagon on me on vague points.

Are you anti-town or anti-scum?

@caligno

I never say you aren't survivor. The point is, you aren't town, you have different win condition with town, you can work with mafia, werewolf, alien, or even SK. There is no guarantee you like to help town, especially after lying about your power to town. Then, town must get rid of you. Understand?

Telling me I'm anti-town when I claimed as IC? Seriously? What kind of scum I am? That's enough case for lynching you.

Now, get him lynched.

Lincoln that makes no sense. Lynching a survivor in what could be lylo is the LAST thing town wants. Survivor lynch does not help town win in this situation in any way.

Out of time more when I get home.

Lincolm wrote:

I never say you aren't survivor. The point is, you aren't town, you have different win condition with town, you can work with mafia, werewolf, alien, or even SK. There is no guarantee you like to help town, especially after lying about your power to town. Then, town must get rid of you. Understand?

Like I said in my phone post at work, this entire logic train is basically one giant fail.

Yes, Survivors don't have the town win condition.
Yes, I am not town.
Yes, I can work with scum rather than town.

However, the bolded (even without the non-bolded) is just a load of crap. Even with the three above being true, lynching a survivor does literally nothing to further a town win condition. There's five players left and it's relatively likely that there are more than one scums in this game. The only way town should even be remotely thinking of voting me is by thinking I'm not a survivor.

So if you don't have any kind of case to this effect, your only good move is to unvote.

The idea is :

-2 scum in alignment + 1 third party
This is already lose for town. So, whatever.

-1 scum + 1 scum + 1 third party
This is already lose also for town. Only luck can guide town or life in third party. I prefer luck guide us.

-1 scum + 1 third party
I rather not betting my win with the third party. Town have lesser chance to hit scum today anyway. This is literally helping town to hit scum if we lynch third party.

- 1 scum.
Maybe this happen. Who knows? But probably not.

It doesn't a crap. Even you're claiming as survivor, we don't know if you're survivor or not. You were claiming I'm anti-town when I claimed as IC is enough reason to lynch you. You're using your bulletproof to strengthen your case by lying about it to town. You didn't care anything except lynch. You putted someone easy to lynch in your scum list. You're already claiming that you aren't town, that is enough case that you aren't town and need to be lynched.

tl;dr : A player already claimed third party and demonstrated he is not care about town is as dangerous as scum team.

(Sorry for edit, just edit wrong grammar (but obviously there is plenty error that I don't know anyway) and 2nd put this)

Zexion_Vi, if you're came, just post something.

Lincolm wrote:

The idea is :

-2 scum in alignment + 1 third party
This is already lose for town. So, whatever.

-1 scum + 1 scum + 1 third party
This is already lose also for town. Only luck can guide town or life in third party. I prefer luck guide us.

-1 scum + 1 third party
I rather not betting my win with the third party. Town have lesser chance to hit scum today anyway. This is literally helping town to hit scum if we lynch third party.

- 1 scum.
Maybe this happen. Who knows? But probably not.

False, false, and false.

The first two are not instant town losses by any means. The first one is winnable by town by two scum lynches in a row (which relies on not lynching me today as that's an instant town loss). The second one is winnable by the same way (and actually, the only way that lynching me could result in a town win is if both the scum shoot each other).

Your explanation for killing me in the third instance is ridiculous. Lynching me in that instance would not help win the game for town since you'd just die tonight. The fourth one relies on the town collectively believing I'm not a survivor.

All of them either have lynching me be an active detriment or at the very least very little to no benefit as a survivor. Again, the only way lynching me at all is ever a good idea is by forcing people to believe I'm not a survivor.

Lincolm wrote:

It doesn't a crap. Even you're claiming as survivor, we don't know if you're survivor or not.

Well... yeah. It's your job to prove that I'm not.

Lincolm wrote:

You were claiming I'm anti-town when I claimed as IC is enough reason to lynch you.

So your vote on me is pretty much policy? Your entire tirade on wanting me lynched doesn't make any sense and STILL doesn't make any sense. I don't see normal town acting this way on purpose.

And also, claiming innocent child is entirely different from being confirmed innocent child. In fact, claiming to be one without it being mod confirmed (or asking it) is anti-town in its own way.

Lincolm wrote:

You're using your bulletproof to strengthen your case by lying about it to town.

Show me where I lied about it. I kept it hidden and didn't formally reveal it at any point, but I never lied and said I didn't have bulletproof.

Actually, show me where I tried to use it to strengthen my case, too.

Lincolm wrote:

You didn't care anything except lynch. You putted someone easy to lynch in your scum list. You're already claiming that you aren't town, that is enough case that you aren't town and need to be lynched

You're just ignoring my point now. Like I said before... twice... survivor's win condition is completely independent from all other win conditions, including town. Lynching a survivor does not further your win condition. Lynching anti-town factions does.

Lincolm wrote:

tl;dr : A player already claimed third party and demonstrated he is not care about town is as dangerous as scum team.

No one in my position would want to work with town. At all.

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tl;dr: Town does not want a survivor lynch and the only way

lolwow

tldr: Town does not want a survivor lynch and the only way town would ever want to lynch me is if someone makes a coherent case on why I'm not a survivor.

hi
reading ~

okay wtf
a flipped dayvig shot Caligno and nothing happened? -> Caligno is bulletproof as Lincolm said. then either he's a bulletproof survivor or he's trying some weird gambit with the bulletproof

2. Irreversible
4. Lincolm (V/LA until 14th october) <- innocent child
5. Zexion_Vi
6. CalignoBot <- survivor / bulletproof
7. pieguy1372 <- VT

leaving survivor alive seems really hazardous for me. suppose it ends up being 1 scum / 1 survivor / 1 townie at LyLo. then all survivor even does s vote a random person. if townie, scum takes the win. if scum, then townie can hammer scum for the win. however, I don't wanna even risk him voting a townie and then we have no way to win, cause town needs the survivor vote to lynch scum.

bulletproof survivor is really unexpected. he'd have to get one of the 4 cards that have bulletproof then one of the 3 survivor cards. it seems likely that he could have some scum alignment along with the bulletproof to avoid being killed by any other scum. plus honestly I don't see any way to win if there's 2 scum + 1 survivor. the only way to win is if he's lying and there's only one other scum alive

vote: CalignoBot

Flavor goes here when im not lazy


CalignoBot Neutral Survivor 2-Shot Bulletproof has been lynched

Lincolm Town Innocent Child has been endgamed!
Irreversible Town Doctor Mason has been endgamed!

pieguy1372 Mafia Goon and Zexion Mafia Roleblocker win the game!

Mod Notes
Mafia QT
Dead QT

Just some comment I wanna say, If a third party is interested in helping town, dont lynch him just because he's third party, Survivor wins regardless of who he lynches yes, but most survivors would prefer to help town than to hurt it.

lmao
sorry but I just had to ;w;

right before I submitted that post I realized since Lincolm was Innocent Child there were only two people who could possibly stop us (caligno and Irre). by lynching Caligno and killing Irre N2 there's no way we could lose save a role that could kill more than one person (save something like Supersaint or Vengeful, but Caligno already had bulletproof making that impossible). that "analysis" was there in case all this somehow failed, so I could attempt a hilariously bad fuzzy kitten-ish defense on D3 even though it almost certainly wouldn't work owo

Just some comment I wanna say, If a third party is interested in helping town, dont lynch him just because he's third party, Survivor wins regardless of who he lynches yes, but most survivors would prefer to help town than to hurt it.

this. I'll never forget Touhou PyP II, Two claimed a serial killer who became a VT if he shot two people of the same alignment, and won if he shot a mafia, a townie, and an independent, and stated intent to shoot two mafia and win with town. then people wanted him policy lynched just for being a SK
of course in this case I wanted to lynch the independent cause we'd win

Also GiF totally breadcrumbed being a possible investigative role / being a highly likely N1 target, I'm surprised Irre didnt protect him, but I'm not sure how good Irre's at playng a Doc since Doc and Watcher are quite different from other PRs.

Edit: Btw, everyone's 3 role cards along with their picks are in the Mod Notes if anyone's interested, I'm surprised I got a decent setup with only 1 roll.

If you missed this setup, it's highly likely i'll host another of these in the future so be on the look out!

I was the worst mafia ever... Yet I still won... Somehow. Sorry guys orz

The only thing I don't really get is why Irre didn't protect GIF, since he even claimed he would die, when I targeted him I was sure to fail... My other option was Lincoln but with GIF alive I was sure to be lynched next lol.

:<

If I was protected, it would've been easy game since I got a guilty on blue yoshi.

maybe next time? xD
Nah I'm sorry >.< I didn't see the post you've said that you Claim your death o.e But now, I can remember that you've said smth like this >.<

Sakura wrote:

Just some comment I wanna say, If a third party is interested in helping town, dont lynch him just because he's third party, Survivor wins regardless of who he lynches yes, but most survivors would prefer to help town than to hurt it.

I know this, since that he has 2-shot bulletproof it make mafia can't kill him and if he joined town, he is almost likely unlynchable, but the way Caligno did in day 1 and 2 made me trust that he wanted to join the mafia side, so no. (SK isn't same with Survivor, just telling, at the end Town need to lynch/kill the SK)

@Caligno : You were lying about your role and said Seph was the one who lying, this point already made me want to lynch you whatever happen next.

I know this will be happen after Zexion came anyway. Town already lose in day 2 anyway.

Sakura wrote:

Also GiF totally breadcrumbed being a possible investigative role / being a highly likely N1 target, I'm surprised Irre didnt protect him, but I'm not sure how good Irre's at playng a Doc since Doc and Watcher are quite different from other PRs.

Which post?

Doctor is hard role, so it is fine anyway. Experience will lead everyone.

Anyway, that is sweet revenge~

Wow. This game was a complete mess.

Sephibro completely changed the game by shooting me. I was fully prepared to play with town for the entire game by trying to look as obvtown as possible in order to soak up a shot. Getting the one-shot vig to shoot me instead in the single most scummy way possible completely changed the situation. Suddenly, now that mafia knew I had a bulletproof vest, I had a strong feeling that they would heavily push for a lynch on me on the off-chance I was actually a different anti-town role. That is why I claimed survivor.

Ironically, the town decided to just lose themselves the game instantly by death tunneling me. Seriously, that was the most ridiculous play town could have ever made. That game was entirely winnable by town and I was fully prepared to work with town if they dropped me as a lynch target, but there wasn't even a case made on me not being a survivor.

Lincolm: I was playing on town's side until the shot, and even then I was still playing on town's side. The only time I ever considered joining mafia's side was when I started being death tunneled on shitty logic. You and Irreversible never had any good reason to kill me.

Caligno, sorry for being that blind but it's pretty hard to trust you ,really

You tunnel me in pretty much every game we play.

Irreversible wrote:

Caligno, sorry for being that blind but it's pretty hard to trust you ,really

<.< The only reason why I've trusted Lincolm was because he trusted me, and i've read somewhere it's important to trust people. But if you always keep being afk or something, well iunno

That's not really something I could have avoided. I was pretty much absent in all of my games due to exhaustion from work.

Irreversible wrote:

<.< The only reason why I've trusted Lincolm was because he trusted me

which is actually one of the worst things you can do
And it's not important to trust people, it's important to townhunt, so you can make a townbloc and life would be much harder for scum. Btw it wasn't a good strategy for this game because more than 1 scum faction could have been involved

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Yeah I don't wanna lynch CB anymore. If he's scum, I'll sniff him out eventually.
Vote: Sephibro

^
Crumb

Btw in my previous comment I meant I was the worst mafia ever, not this game because I actualy enjoyed it. I edited the post anyways.

I thought about killing Caligno but I didn't think he was saying the truth, so I took down GIF instead. Good choice I guess.

>.< I'm sorry town t.t

I try to be more reasonable from now on

tbf watcher and doctor are pretty hard to play roles, you gotta think like scum and see who scum is going to kill or try to setup so they kill whoever you want them to kill so you can heal/watch correctly.

Going after whom you think is town is good, but scum is not always going to shoot who you healed, that's why you gotta think who they would most likely shoot.

CalignoBot wrote:

That game was entirely winnable by town and I was fully prepared to work with town if they dropped me as a lynch target, but there wasn't even a case made on me not being a survivor.

Lincolm: I was playing on town's side until the shot, and even then I was still playing on town's side. The only time I ever considered joining mafia's side was when I started being death tunneled on shitty logic. You and Irreversible never had any good reason to kill me.

It wasn't winnable for us anyway. Paranoid always happen in town.

For some odd reasons, in day 1 I already thought that was 3 anti-towns (when you were putting only 2 scums in list, make you're the third), and saw you were pushing Seph when I couldn't even defense him, and when there was a chance scums could be 2 scum in 1 alignment, I thought "well screw the third party he gonna joined the scum team, he didn't care about town". For sure, death tunnel and claimed someone is lying when you're the one who is lying, is obviously anti-town as fuck. (For sure, I think GiF voted Sephibro because you were not dead)

If you're claiming as survivor, I don't think scums would like to wasting shot in you, especially when you're bulletproof. Why not claiming as 1 shot bulletproof? Just a question here.

And I already said in day 2, if there is 2 scums in 1 alignment, there is no use. If 2 scums voted in the IC, did you really want to let go your opportunity to win?

By the way, I already claimed IC and how I claimed scum in there, seriously? I mean, what kind of scum claiming as IC when IC can be confirmed as town whenever he want? Basically, that was strengthen my mind and won't chance my vote in you. I mean, you didn't make real case why I'm scum but accuse me because of my claim, that made me decide that you were not care who is town and who is scum.

Still, I will like to say sorry for that. Sorry.

Sephibro wrote:

Irreversible wrote:

<.< The only reason why I've trusted Lincolm was because he trusted me

which is actually one of the worst things you can do

There is one term that I really believe is very good for town. "Not mislynching yourself already help town".

Just saying.

Lincolm wrote:

For some odd reasons, in day 1 I already thought that was 3 anti-towns (when you were putting only 2 scums in list, make you're the third), and saw you were pushing Seph when I couldn't even defense him, and when there was a chance scums could be 2 scum in 1 alignment, I thought "well screw the third party he gonna joined the scum team, he didn't care about town". For sure, death tunnel and claimed someone is lying when you're the one who is lying, is obviously anti-town as fuck. (For sure, I think GiF voted Sephibro because you were not dead)

I actually lied about my bulletproof at that point because I was sure Sephibro was scum. His entire play at that time screamed it.

Lincolm wrote:

If you're claiming as survivor, I don't think scums would like to wasting shot in you, especially when you're bulletproof. Why not claiming as 1 shot bulletproof? Just a question here.

The situation completely changed at that point. Any anti-town alignment would be heavily paranoid of any bulletproof no matter what alignment I claimed, so survivor was what I felt would cause the least damage to my winning chances as they might be willing to work with me instead of wanting to kill me off.

Lincolm wrote:

And I already said in day 2, if there is 2 scums in 1 alignment, there is no use. If 2 scums voted in the IC, did you really want to let go your opportunity to win?

I doubt that ever would have ever happened without them being fairly sure I was a survivor. If I was an anti-town or town faction instead, that would have instantly blown up in their face.

Lincolm wrote:

By the way, I already claimed IC and how I claimed scum in there, seriously? I mean, what kind of scum claiming as IC when IC can be confirmed as town whenever he want? Basically, that was strengthen my mind and won't chance my vote in you. I mean, you didn't make real case why I'm scum but accuse me because of my claim, that made me decide that you were not care who is town and who is scum.

Honestly, claiming Innocent Child without confirming it is just anti-town in general. I believed you when you said you were, but I wanted you to prove it anyway to remove all the WIFOM in just claiming it. It just doesn't really make sense to do that.

Lincolm wrote:

Still, I will like to say sorry for that. Sorry.

Eh, this is just a game. Unless someone does something to purposely ruin the game for everyone else or makes something personal instead of within the scope of the game, I don't believe pretty much anything said within the game's context should be taken as anything outside of it.

Fun Fact: Zexion was Mafia Roleblocker and he didnt use his roleblock.

Because you told me i couldn't perform my roleblock and do the nightkill at the same night D:

Well the general rule is that you still can use your ability if your partner is performing the kill.

Zexion wrote:

Because you told me i couldn't perform my roleblock and do the nightkill at the same night D:

You could have sent your partner to perform the nightkill by typing
Blue Yoshi kills GuyInFreezer
Zexion Roleblocks -InsertName-
In the QT.

I had no idea lol... Well, I didn't play in a long time u.u