1. Advanced (3,59 stars, 301 notes)
2. Another (5,52 stars, 527 notes)
3. Basic (2,61 stars, 145 notes)
4. Hyper (4,45 stars, 404 notes)
5. Intermediate (3,01 stars, 223 notes)
6. mAp (6,15 stars, 589 notes)
7. Starter (1,95 stars, 108 notes)
8. what (6,7 stars, 704 notes)

mike91lau wrote:

ONLY INSANE??
Player not so pro how??
U shall create at least 1 hard, 1 normal and 1 easy.

Hanyuu wrote:

[BMax]

00:45:652 (3,1,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - I think those notes could be arranged in a better order/spacing. Like a curve for example. I do want to fix it, but it breaks the pattern afterward orz

01:47:301 (1) - How about rotating this note pattern so it looks something like this: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/999581 and leans more towards the left side of the playfield again. I think this would be awesome and looks very nice to me Fixed

01:57:801 (4,5) - Needs to be stacked Fixed

01:58:135 (1) - For this i think ending the spinner on the finish would be better than the piano. Or refer to http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/999558 what i mentioned in the Advanced Difficulty. Fixed

Nice diff i like this

[Bmix]

00:52:818 - Hm in this pattern i thought about adding 1 more whistle hitsound here 00:53:735 - and here 00:55:068 - and so on. It kinda felt missing to me, see if you like it I can see your point, but I feel like it's getting a bit too noisy.

01:32:801 - Here to 01:36:135 - Add whistles on every beat and new measure where notes are. Fixed, but not on every note.

01:36:136 (5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12) - Add whistles on 6,9,10,11,12 Fixed

01:42:886 (4,5,6,7,8) - Add finishes to those? Fixed

01:53:802 (7,8,9,10,1) - I think the last note is hardly noticable since things go on pretty fast and the "6" note partialy overlaps it aswell. I think a less "curled in" arrangement would be better to play and look better aswell. Allthough its kind of fast this note positions looks like it slows it really down for some reason. Some what fixed (I'm not too sure if this is fixed enough)

Same thing about the ending spinner Fixed

ktgster wrote:

[General]

There is no OD 7 in your spread anywhere, OD 6 - 8 is really big in accuracy level. - 8 fit Another more than 7 would and 7 felt too high to put on hyper, so yeah, not going to change that just for the sake of it
All hitsound suggestions apply to all difficulties of the mapper.

[mAp]

Remember this is CS 5, keep that in mind when making changes.

00:04:818 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - this is a really loud stream, I really can't hear the music - reduced volume to 50%
00:06:152 (1,2,3,4) - parts like these and many similar rhythms fit more with a normal hitsound - I find the normal-hitnormal to hit too hard on this; works better as an introductory beat than to be put on everything here - the emphasis here lies on the softwhistles and vocal-ish points in the song
00:10:152 (1,2) - too quiet - I can hear it fairly well, and I decided not to go with a very high volume as this sort of works as an introductory part to the following stream, given that is has a strong but not not too bashy sound behind it, I found this the better solution
00:12:818 (1,2,3,4) - I hate how you don't use a normal on the slider start, they really fit well - similar to above said, the sounds here don't feel too bashy-impact-ish to justify a hitnormal, which would really feel out of place here (to me, anyways); the song does have a pressury tone, but not anything that would go well with a normal-hitnormal for me
00:16:902 (1,1) - double spinners aren't really the best, a stream would work, heck even a single spinner would just do fine and still carry out the job - the point is, on the big white tick where the second spinner starts, you also have another "downward spiral"-ish sound coming in from the song, which is the reason for me putting another spinner: it keeps the spinnish-spiral momentum but puts emphasis that there is another of these sounds coming here
00:29:485 (4,5,6,7,1) - why the spacing increase, the music doesn't do any pitch increasing nor is it increasing in volume, 1/4 sliders fit this part much better - simply because that's extremely strong beats compared to before which have an uprising feeling to them; I'd say they're somewhat of the climax/paramount of the previous section that now works to give a more pressure-heavy introduction to the next one, and really, it'd feel dull to put them with straight-allthesamespacing, given that they have this function in the song
00:30:485 (2) - this almost touches score and almost touches hp bar basically - almost ain't quite it - if this was CS4, okay, but it's 5 and so it really doesn't do anything in that regard, hence why I'll leave it
00:42:818 (1,1,1,1) - no need for the new combo spam, only keep the first one - the reason for the new combos here is that the specific beat(-pattern?) repeats on every 1/2 here, which is where I start a slider; together with stacking the 1/4 sliders, this generates a much more stop-go-y feeling and a harsher contrast to the rest of this part, which it was meant to do
00:45:485 (1,1,1,1) - ^
00:48:152 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - this is really annoying to play, theres a 1/4 slider before and I have to jump to the corner which is really annoying, move it closer to the 1/4 slider before - it's literally the same distance as previous two timestamps but due to being put in the top-right corner, it gains much more pressure for the map, which is again, just what it's meant to do, hence why I am refusing to change it.
00:51:152 (5,6,1) - I don't mind this but it does cost inconsistency with your 3/4 spacing. Stack 6 on 5 and move 1 to where 6 was - the strength of beats increases here and so it would feel really out of place to stack them just when they're getting really strong, so no.
00:52:318 (2,3,4) - the placement of these is dumb regardless if you did the above or not, stack it on the middle instead - the placement of these is wonderful regarding that osu!autostacking would place 2 two grids size 4 to the top-left, so what you see here is basically just an consciously and intentional counter of osu!autostacking which works as a upleading introduction for this upcoming part and doesn't suffer from the ugliness that autostacking provides in many cases; hint, 00:29:485 (4,5,6) - was placed two grids size 4 to the bottom-right aswell to counter autostacking messing up - was intended to be at 1.2x spacing, but due to stacking, this got messed and so I actively worked against that, taking stacking mechanics into consideration.
00:53:068 (3,4) - this placing bothers me. Its like trying to do a short hop and then slow down a little even though the song doesn't ask for it, this is in various places of the first kiai - this is due to the fact that a) players will abuse slider leniency and therefore pass through the slider at a higher pace (and an angle unlike the slider has it, as you don't have to do that on sliders as we all know; leniency and stuff), resulting in them not really having to take a "hop" but just pass through at the steady pace they would do anyways and b) it puts more emphasis on the stream's start which lies on a technically stronger beat than the slider's end, putting a bit of extra spacing to visualize it while not really changing anything about the way it's played.
00:59:068 (7,8) - ^ except its even worse, doing this movement is really hard and annoying. Remember, this is also CS 5 so its even worse - pairs of 4 sounds here, soundpattern repeating and therefore, it makes sense to map it like this; puts extra emphasis on the respective pair's start and works fine - it's just hard, but really, what do you expect when this is a 9 difficulty big spread and you're going at the highest.
01:03:485 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - WOW no, the next 3 parts that are like this make NO sense to the song. I don't hear the song decreasing in volume, whats the the point in that. Oh and this spacing is really dumb since its an auto break for something stupid - the song is not necessarily decreasing in volume, but in pressure; the whole kind of sounds here changes, putting way less stress onto every single beat and rather building them entire of a pair-basis structure, similar to previous example, just that this time, the whole "sample", so to speak, is altered; again, due to this being pairspacing, it does make sense to put it here.
01:05:068 (4,5) - this spacing is really big, shorten it - comparing this to the other beatpatterns of this kind, you can hear that this one does have more pressure on 5 than for example the one following up, therefore it makes sense to put it further apart
01:06:402 (4,5) - ^ except its even worse, tiny movements to all of a sudden, super speed jump, okay - more like, fairly stackish-passive drifting, snapping, passive-drifting, which is way easier than before
01:08:818 (1) - as I said before, use normals on slider 1/4 starts for this part - as I said before, you can read above.
01:14:152 (5) - lol this slider.... - you hurt my slider you hurt me; there's no point in putting a spinner here, as this is much more of a moving-holdish tone in the song, and a break doesn't fit it either; spinning would be absolutely wrong and so would a breaktime be.
01:16:801 (1) - this part, is pretty much everything I said before the kiai for hitsounds - same reasoning for me to keep it as I said before the kiai
01:23:468 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - oh boy, now we have these not in kiai, small jump doesn't express anything in the music, also why the NC on the 2nd (1) - pairs of four, pressure, thanks, we had this already.
01:36:801 (1) - this is suppose to be a stream although you replaced it with a fast slider, not the best thing to do - there are 1/4s here, but they're not strong enough to justify mashing your keys into the ground; also, it's patterned 1/4 that vary in their respective pressure, so in order to represent them as a stream, you would have to either put kicksliders, which feel very bad as they're a stop-and-go motion while this is a fluid transitioning pattern, or you would have to put a stream that is highly inconsistent in its spacing - tl;dr, slider + angles fit more than circles.
01:37:801 (2) - this looks like a 1/2 slider, I can't even tell if its slowing down or not
01:38:801 (5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,1) - okay no, at this point, you're not even making sense to the music and forcing difficulty, the mini stream to this big spaced stream is really dumb in every sense - at this point, the whole song goes nuts, if you cared to notice. 01:39:135 (1,2,3,4) - is an entirely different sample than anywhere before in the song and it is specifically used to put extra strength and emphasis to this part, so one has to visualize it properly when mapping (a difficulty on which's level this is possible); also, 01:39:468 (1) - is the lead-in mainbeat for the next and more conventional soundpattern, so it requires extra emphasis (-> snapping, here) aswell
01:40:468 (1,2,3,4) - okay now this time you're making players go back and forth which just shows more forcing difficulty and frustrating players, atleast make it a line or some sorts
01:41:801 (1,2,3,4) - this is probably acceptable according to the first 2 lines above this
01:44:468 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:46:052 (4,1) - don't try to hide notes below other notes with this, really annoying to play - I find this fairly visible with the approachcircle and active colourchange coming for it, and I even use hitbursts unlike most players; also, the new default skin doesn't have opaque bursts either by now, so that's not really a point, either; and again, keeping the angled CCW momentum puts way more and especially, related, pressure onto 1, which just increases the song's strength at this point
01:48:385 (4) - why a slider, it fits better with a circle in the first place and just makes the next 4 notes easier to get into - you're so gonna hate what I did now
01:48:551 (5,6,7,1) - I honestly find this hard to read but whatever suits your taste
01:48:801 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - every 1/4 here is overmapped and really shows you forcing difficulty - sounds good, does it not, is why it's there; also, it contributes to the beat's strength by making them doublets, so if that's not a valid reason to you, then I don't know, because it is to me
01:51:468 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - ^ and I'm not going to repeat it again
01:53:968 (1) - was there really a point in this 1/8 slider, it almsot feels like its trolling since its the only slider after these spinners - listen to the song, there's 1/8 there and I should have even extended it by another reverse in order to fit perfectly, but then, 1/8 jumps really are meh, so I left it at 1/4 length

[Another]

00:05:152 (5,6) - I could guarantee you a stream is easier than 4 1/4 sliders, although Hyper has 1/4 sliders, they really shouldn't be in there, include that and 1/4 sliders in this beginning of the map is jumping a bit too much in levels - it's not meant to be necessarily "easier to 'play'", but rather it's meant to be less clickstressing with the slider leniency here
00:07:485 (1,2,3,4,1) - ^ and in fact, you did it for the whole map, not a good thing
00:35:985 (3,4) - looks like 3/4 spacing but its 1/2, make this closer to (3) - this is AR9 and a fairly high difficulty level, I challenge people to be able to read this.
00:37:319 (3,4) - ^
00:40:152 (4,5,6,7,8,9,1) - again, streams are much easier
00:42:818 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - wow, just no, why add stuff like this here for some dumb reason, hell even 1/4 sliders would be better here, and why is there so much NCing - refer to mAp, then you should know why. stop-go-emphasis and shiz
00:45:485 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1) - ^
00:48:152 (1,1,1,1,1) - okay this deserves a stream, now is this a 1/4 slider stream spam which is really annoying to do, also NC's
00:52:318 (2,3,4) - stack on (1) - no why.
00:53:818 (9,10) - I really don't like this, its adding two 1/2's into something which is suppose to be a stream - ending emphasis for the streams, putting the player up for 1/2-jumping stuff again rather than 1/4-streaming and so working as an introduction to the next pattern
01:02:818 (1,2,3,4) - this really looks weird, cut off the 1/4 sliders, like this is Another, not sapm everything - I find this to be absolutely fine, and having it as sliders grants the whole soundpattern more emphasis; also, note that the respective 1/2 notes in the song are not plain cut-offs bu rather last for until the next one takes over, which is exactly what a slider is best suited for and even though it's just a little audible, the sliderslide.wav really takes its part here.
01:04:235 (10,11,12) - I had trouble reading this part, it makes no sense to the music from a playing view and 10 to 11 spacing is dumb too - moved 11 a bit away from 12
01:05:568 (10,11) - now this makes even less sense, its almost like you can't stick to one thing - the song isn't even the same here. with the previous pattern, there was much more pressure and lead-in coming for the stream afterwards as it was an uprising momentum, while there, it goes downwards/stays steady, so "sticking to one thing" would be entirely wrong for such a difficulty.
01:08:818 (1,1,1,1) - these jumps are too big and whats with the NC spam - consider that you jump on 1/2 basis here and really don't play the 1/4 and it's way easier than it looks. for NC spam, refer to mAp (where, by the way, this part is way harder, as it's not snappy but slowdown-flowing and therefore requiring the player to switch between their styles much more actively, so that even with a lower spacing, it's stronger focus-based)
01:10:152 (1,1,1,1) - ^
01:11:485 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - at this point, you're forcing difficulty with this jump stream. Is this even necessary - we had this already
01:13:985 (3) - no need for this - yet you did not complain about the 1/4 in mAp? there are 1/4 beats here, and putting an 1/4 slider like this puts extra emphasis and motion onto the pattern, so that's entirely k
01:21:468 (3) - stack on (2) - no. the song does not stand still here, so I won't let the map stand still either
01:36:801 (1) - make something that fits more than just this slider - I find "just this slider" to fit fairly well
01:37:801 (2) - also a slider I can't tell if its 1/2 or 3/4's - AR9, please, reading. you're not supposed to play and/or sightread this when you're on osu for like a week or so, so really, that's not a point here.
01:38:801 (4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - not even funny, theres too much forced difficulty that I seriously doubt people would accept things like this. These just don't fit with the song overall - this goes perfectly well with the song as explained earlier.
01:43:968 (3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4) - okay now this is getting out of hand, you should just make a REASONABLE distance snapped stream. Again, this is forcing difficulty
01:48:552 (5) - note touches hp bar - true, I suppose.
01:53:968 (1) - reasons stated before, get rid of this - reasons stated before, keeping this

I would like to hear your reasoning in how you mapped this and mAp. - now you heard it.
Will do other difficulties later.

happy30 wrote:

hi jenn

[General]
The timing gets a bit late at the kiai section. Create an extra timing section with offset 50144 BPM 180 - oh my god so many offsetresets
http://puu.sh/4MZtt.png lel, Fix aimod stuffs. - had most of that fixed offline already, done now, I believe
mp3 is 256kbs. try to find a better quality one too. - tried to, but all versions I could find were vastly different, and really, I don't hear anything wrong over here @_@ could it be my headset's fault or smth? (will reencode the current one tomorrow though)

[Starter]
00:11:485 (1) - enpoint should have a hitnormal hitsound as the sliders before? - you see, this soundpattern is purely softsample in all of the difficulties, so I kept that here aswell
00:14:152 (1) - ^ - that one indeed! fixed on all diffs

[Another]
01:24:135 (9) - not spaced correctly in the stream - it's spaced correctly, as I have this offset to the right after every pair of 4 here, and this note is no exception, so I'd rather keep it

[mAp]
00:16:902 (1,1) - urh, make the second spinner 1/4 apart. - did do
00:47:985 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) - nooo no - that's the same as to the sliderpatterns before, but due to it being a slider-to-circle jump... reduced to 3.7x as talked about
01:23:468 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - the jump in here seems unreasonable - made it an upscaling stream, hoping this is fine?

I skipped the diffs with no errors. I think the map is good to go with the errors fixed.

Zerer wrote:

Basic

00:06:318 (1) - Not sure about this sudden sv increase, it doesn't really fit the music. Maybe 0.90 instead of 1.00x? It feels like too much for a Normal - I have found it to work pretty well; asked a few fairly new people to play it (playcount 100-1000) and I didn't see them having troubles with it up to now, so I assume it's okay as-is
00:08:985 (1) - ^
00:11:652 (1) - ^
00:42:152 (3) - ^
00:53:068 (1,2,2,2,2,2) - These return sliders are slightly annoying to play, I think slider-circle-circle would be better. - redesigned that, thanks
01:49:301 (1) - This could be a little closer to 01:47:468 (1) - - nuh, it's 1.1x all the time, want to keep this

Intermediate

00:16:318 (3,4) - A return slider here would flow better - I want the long slider + 2 hits-combo, and sadly, that's not doable with a reverse here, so I'll stick with what I got
00:35:485 (1,2,1,2) - I agree with D33d on not stacking circles on sliderends for easier diffs, even if it's a Hard - unstacked them offline already; they're overlaps now
00:58:818 (3,3) - These don't flow well, I think it'd be better if you used 2 sliders like you did here 01:01:485 (3,4) - - I was aiming for a slider-minisnap-backwardsslider motion here, so really, that's intended
01:54:135 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - these repeat what you did here 01:48:801 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - , not exactly necessary but I think changing those sliders up a bit for variation would be better. - bent the last two combos a little, so now they're not blankets anymore but it feels less tight
01:12:818 (1,2) - Personal opinion but making these two rounder would look a lot better - neh, there really isn't much happening here, so bigfat supercurves would feel out of place

Advanced

Really good map, only 2 things I really saw an issue with
00:53:568 (2,3) - These would play so much better if you spaced them a bit further from the sliders preceding them - I already spaced them 20% further than I did with the circles ._.
01:43:885 (2,3,2,3) - I know what you were trying to do with these, but they don't play well at all. Maybe if you didn't stack them but placed them closely - next to each other? Something like this, just a suggestion but I think that'd work better - I think they're fine, though, and can't really see what problem you have, either :/

Another

01:45:801 (1,2,3,4) - This isn't fitting at all, no reason to arrange them like this - changed to a bow thing like before
01:33:468 (1) - ctrl + g? - no, that would take the strong beat-effect away that is in the song; you currently have to really snap to this slider's start and that's kinda what the song goes like, so I'm sticking with it

Hyper

01:53:968 (1) - This note is unnecessary. - there's tight 1/8 rhythm here, so I put the circle on its start, as I can't put a kickslider like I did with Another and mAp; keeping

mAp

00:16:902 (1,1) - This could be one spinner - I want to be two, though, as there's a new segment of this soundish thing that I have no idea what to call it starting there, so two of them is more correct, I believe
01:36:801 (1) - sv a bit too high imo - sticking with it; didn't see problems there at any given time and it just feels good to me :I fixed the slider though (-> slidertick is now exactly over the hole)

Nice mapset, I hope you get this ranked soon. About time someone mapped this song for ranking.

Zerer wrote:

[BMix]
Lower the louder hitsound volumes, they're overpowering the song. It would also be nice if there could be some more variation in them. And OD9 is a bit too high imo, lower to 8? Fixed both hitsounds and OD

00:23:152 (4,1,5,1) - I don't like the spacing between these, it'd be better if that reflected their distance in the timeline. It will stay like that sorry
01:43:302 (8) - A small jump for this would be better I see your point, but I'll be staying it as it is. Both points are valid, but i just prefer this one.
01:52:802 (1,2) - ctrl + g? I don't think I want to make that into a jump, but I fixed the pattern a bit so the movement isn't so awkward (I'm assuming this was your problem).

[BMax]
01:24:635 (7) - I think this would be better as a regular 1/2 slider or two hitcircles eh that kind of feels empty because of that bass though

happy30 wrote:

[BMax]
Lower the volume a bit? the mp3 is quite soft too. Fixed (I think)
00:39:152 (2,3,1) - looks rather messy/confusing than hinting the slider speed change to me. Fixed
00:44:818 (1,2,3) - make this align perfectl? Fixed
01:14:193 (1) - 1/8 later? for consistency and o!m Fixed

[BMix]
00:48:151 (6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,1) - the stack at the end looks rather odd. Fixed so it will atleast seem like it's on distance snap.
01:56:386 (5) - make prev/next equal Fixed