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sesito71
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sesito71
It came to my mind when I was playing with flashlight mod. The idea is to fill the area around the pointer with smoke, which makes difficult to see the circles, sliders... under it. If you miss a note, the smoke grows. And if you recover health, the smoke goes back to its normal size. The smoke must be translucent so you couldn't see well the notes. Score Multiplier: 1,12x


bye
Starrodkirby86
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Only problem I see here...

In Flashlight, as the combo goes higher, the flashlight circle gets smaller, yeah?

If you're playing on this "Smoke mod", then ideally it should get harder as it progresses as well (Though as much I'd hate to say it). You shouldn't make the mod harder for people who struggle with it, as they're not even going to get a high score in the first place when they are. It has to be challenging for the people using it.

I'm neutral on this thugh.
anonymous_old
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I'm thinking something more like Flashlight: the better you are doing, the more of an effect the mod has. The 'smoke' scales up with the combo. EDIT: Starrodkirby ninja'd me. D=

Also, I think a multiplier of 1.06x would be more suitable. To me it's about the same as Hidden... In fact, you could perhaps combine it with Hidden without too much loss. Thus I'm kinda skeptical if this would work well in the wild.
sesito71
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sesito71
hey, you two are right, it's better if it gets harder as the combo grows, not if you miss a note! And 1,06x could be suitable too.
Kitsunemimi
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Kitsunemimi
(When I saw smoke I almost thought that there would be a particle system involved, lagging my PC)

This is more of a hidden than it is a flashlight mod. Because you'd be able to perfectly see all the notes you're aiming for and you don't need to memorize the song. Plus, as it is in hidden, the notes get covered which is nearly the same effect as hidden, however you mention a transparency level. So, perhaps it's basically the same as hidden except easier? Yet the smoke might become distracting making it even... But if it's almost the same thing, then what's the point in it?

EDIT: Another thing to contradict myself: But I've noticed that in flashlight, that the whole entire place dimmers dramatically for sliders. Perhaps for sliders in Smoke, we could make it totally opaque making the slider invisible under the smoke?
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Gens
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Gens
Sounds like a good idea, but I have 2 questions:

1. Shouldn't this better fit as a Multiplayer Powerup? If those are ever going to be implemented anyway...
2. Where would it fit? The Difficulty Mods line is already filled up D:
Echo
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anonymous_old
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Echo wrote:

So like flashlight inverse :P
Yes.

But I'm not sure how sliders would be handled. I would guess make it identical to how sliders are handled in Flashlight now, without the reverse effect.

Smoke + Flashlight ... xD
Echo
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I don't think sliders need special handling for smoke.

I think the only reason sliders are like that was because whoever used a skin to implement the flashlight in the first place found that bug with skinning (ie. dimming on slider? not sure) and peppy decided to keep it.
LuigiHann
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Echo wrote:

I don't think sliders need special handling for smoke.

I think the only reason sliders are like that was because whoever used a skin to implement the flashlight in the first place found that bug with skinning (ie. dimming on slider? not sure) and peppy decided to keep it.
It wasn't really a bug. It was just a second "effect skin" that he did (using a skinned sliderfollowcircle)
Aoitenshi
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Aoitenshi

Gens wrote:

2. Where would it fit? The Difficulty Mods line is already filled up D:
Perhaps Make a scrolling screen?
mattyu007
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Aoitenshi wrote:

Gens wrote:

2. Where would it fit? The Difficulty Mods line is already filled up D:
Perhaps Make a scrolling screen?
Ugly =/
Echo
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LuigiHann wrote:

It wasn't really a bug. It was just a second "effect skin" that he did (using a skinned sliderfollowcircle)
My mistake.

Gens wrote:

2. Where would it fit? The Difficulty Mods line is already filled up D:
Bunch them closer together? Who cares? I think we can leave the design issues to peppy. He *does* know how to design a game and he *does* know how to code, you know.
LuigiHann
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Gabi
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LuigiHann wrote:

The large number of difficulty mods doesn't say to me "Where will we put a new one?," it says 'Why do we need another one?"
expand game experience? chance of making it more interesting?

i myself am neutral on this though. i dont really FEEL the need for another mod.
LuigiHann
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I'm fairly neutral as well, but while I can understand the differences, this seems similar enough to Hidden and Flashlight that I don't think it's a very compelling addition.
Mashley
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I don't like the concept of this mod, but I like how it would 'adapt' to the players performance.
I think we could have an 'Adapt' mod that only works when another 'difficulty increase' mod (not counting sudden death) is being used. It makes the effect of the mod more extreme depending on how high the player's combo is. Hard Rock gets smaller clircles, higher overall and a faster drain, Double Time gets faster, Hidden's circles fade out earlier, and Flashlight's flashlight gets smaller. When the combo is broken, all the settings go back to normal for the mods being used. This should add a score increase AFTER the mod increases are added, because it gets harder the more mods are being used. What do you guys think?
anonymous_old
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Agent Spin Here wrote:

Double Time gets faster
Variable BPM depending on performance? No.

Agent Spin Here wrote:

Flashlight's flashlight gets smaller
This is already the case.

I don't like your idea, ASH. I can't come up with a convincing argument against Hard Rock being affected other than varying hit circle approach times. Similarly with Hidden.
Derekku
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Derekku

Agent Spin Here wrote:

I don't like the concept of this mod, but I like how it would 'adapt' to the players performance.
I think we could have an 'Adapt' mod that only works when another 'difficulty increase' mod (not counting sudden death) is being used. It makes the effect of the mod more extreme depending on how high the player's combo is. Hard Rock gets smaller clircles, higher overall and a faster drain, Double Time gets faster, Hidden's circles fade out earlier, and Flashlight's flashlight gets smaller. When the combo is broken, all the settings go back to normal for the mods being used. This should add a score increase AFTER the mod increases are added, because it gets harder the more mods are being used. What do you guys think?
Sounds like it would make it too hard. Bye bye high scores w/ mods <_<
anonymous_old
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Sounds like it would make it too hard. Bye bye high scores w/ mods <_<
I think he means an extra mod which causes that effect.
Derekku
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strager wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Sounds like it would make it too hard. Bye bye high scores w/ mods <_<
I think he means an extra mod which causes that effect.
Whoops, misread that. *goes back to sleep* x_x
qlum
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qlum
I support this idea as long as the smoke effects look good and are not to heavy for weaker computers osu can use an extra mod
jonathan_old
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Instead of just being a difficulty increase, why not a special that has smoke, fireworks and colorful strobe effects, just like a live performance? And when Kiai time shows up, make these effects more vigorous.
just a quick suggestion...
Hanyuu
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Gemi
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Gemi
I like the mod idea. It would look cool if done correctly

But, this brings up another point that I have never liked and will never like. Mods giving out points. What I like to see in rhythm games is that mods are okay to use for fun, but they should not affect the competition factor at all. (of course disqualify scores done with any mods that make the game easier, but scores done with harder mods can be counted just as usual, ie with no multiplier, bonus, or reduciton)

Also, this has the bonus effect that we can freely add mods without forcing people to go back to old maps and play them again every time when a new mod with a score multiplier is introduced. Tbh I see more problems in the future the more mods are added if the system isn't changed.
FurukawaPan
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Joined August 2008
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strager wrote:

Smoke + Flashlight ... xD
haha, I had an idea, it's called the Blind mod. Multiplier is 1.4x, it turns your screen off while you play. :twisted:
Lesjuh
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Lesjuh
I think there shouldn't be ANY new score mods! All those previous scores on old maps can be broken with a new one D:
Gabi
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Daru
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Daru
I like the idea, and after fooling around a bit I tried it out.
Pretty cool. :)



If you have a good enough computer (500+fps normal), try this:

Wojjan
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Wojjan

lesjuh wrote:

I think there shouldn't be ANY new score mods! All those previous scores on old maps can be broken with a new one D:
This is exactly what happened with flashlight, and I'd rather not have it happen again. I, for one, collect 1st places, and I don't want a new mod to come and ruin this all. Especially with a multiplier like 1.12. That's way too much for a fairly simple handicap.

-1 from me, we don't need any more mods other than MP powerups (if they will ever get here)
Hyperworm
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Joined August 2008
Hyperworm
-1, feels unnecessary (sorry).
I don't think this idea is revolutionary enough to be worth the effect mentioned in lesjuh/Wojjan's posts. We've covered "making the markers hard to see" twice already >_>
IMO, new mods at this point need to try something totally different, e.g. messing with the music, making the hit circles/sliders drift around, inserting random stalls into play... etc.
Stefan
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Stefan
Bumping.

Echo wrote:

So like flashlight inverse :P
My thoughts about it. That idea seems to be more as a fun mode but for serious ranks tbh.
bomber34
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bomber34
I like the idea actually
and it got requested a few times already ...
so yeah
my support :3

About the multiplicator ... idk just 1,06x?
1,12x is way to much even if it is an inverse to flashlight

You don't have to remember really everything so it is more like Hidden
stacks will be complicated and near notes too

... well ok I am not sure
but that can be discussed ^^
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