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This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
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honestly, the first thing i thought when the kudosu system was set, was that BAT's would ONLY look at the top prior in the pending list and evenrually help out people who are having offset problems or bpm problems, or other questions.
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I never said that the way I handle modding beatmaps is the way things are currently being done. However, it has been the way I've handled modding beatmaps since 2007. It was only in the past months that it has become a problem.

My words about befriending BATs have gotten twisted a lot in this thread, and in IRC as well. When I say befriend, I don't mean you have to go over to their house and have a slumber party. All I am saying is, treat them as more than a person you need to get your beatmap ranked. If you show them respect, the respect will be mutual. At least for me, that is. Sending them a private message mod request as soon as you see them log on osu is not showing respect.

The priority system has worked wonders since it's been implemented, and overall it's a success. Let's be honest. This thread was created because of this being ranked so fast.

I had more to say but I forget. Got side-tracked zzz.
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Rolled, I like the way that you do your "you mod my map, I mod your's" thing, but that's not what people are upset about.

The problem is that BATs seem to not be looking at maps in a logical way; Even ones with high priority. Some people have 20/30+ priority and maybe only one BAT has looked at it. Then we see certain maps get ranked quickly (foulcoon's, for example), with very low priority. It seems like there's some favoritism going on.

EDIT: Yeah, maps have problems, but how do people expect to get their map looked at if BATs won't do it? Like I said, the priority system feels broke to me.
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I disagree. Why? Because the kd system doesn't work anyways.
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Real1 wrote:

I disagree. Why? Because the kd system doesn't work anyways.
I think this topic is geared more toward the priority system than the kudosu system.

fufe only mentions kd to point out kd stars.
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I think Real1 is a lurker and should stop posting in these threads.

When you say that BATs are still "sniping" maps, you need to first ask yourself: are those maps being ranked because they CAN be ranked without any changes? Having 20 priority doesn't mean the map is flawless - it just means people like that map/song. It may still require a lot more effort than what you consider maps that are being sniped.

I'm guessing in the case you mentioned (foulcoon's map) there were almost no mod posts? Because they weren't needed to get it ranked.

I'm not saying that sniping isn't happening, but unless it is well defined then you can't really accuse BATs of ignoring the priority system. Maybe we need a thread for (constructively) reporting BATs that are ignoring priority. Not for crying at us.
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Ill say again i can see why Bat map instarank canhappen but if this stuff happens and is justified when the map is of perfect quality then we should not have so many bubbles. Kinda off topic but kinda related i guess. Even if you recieve a bubble there is still no type of assurance whatsoever that the bubble map will be looked at, even if it is deemed perfect quality by one bat. And again, priority means nothing.

Ive gone around checking out who is looking at what and comparing the "priority" involved and its just sad and a spit in the face to the system.

its sad to see this happen.
Mapper 1: Ive 8 stars in less than a week, im ready for rankage! =D (gets ranked)

Mapper 2: Ive got 35 stars over the course of a month, 25 more to go to get top priority D; (unseen)
-mapper 2 may be bad mapper.. but mapper2 may also be pressured to recieve tons of overmodding just for the sake of having to pump that priority number.
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I agree with Rolled
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peppy wrote:

I think Real1 is a lurker and should stop posting in these threads.
Sorry, Pep. >.<

I know 20 SP doesn't mean the map is flawless, but at 20, 30, 40 SP, a BAT should at least consider looking at it. But it seems like they don't. (Not saying all BATs are like this.)

I know... There was a map that was frequently bumped, with 20+ SP, 6 months old that had no BAT attention. It's like we have to beg BATs to look at them no matter how high the SP is and the age of the map. Which sucks because, they (the BATs) must hate getting requests all the time.

I see your point peppy... And I'm not here to argue. I merely stated how things seem to me.

I think I have talked enough about this by now, and I will stop. I hate drama... So it kinda sucks when I am the one creating it, eh?

On Topic.

After reading peppy post... And thinking twice...
Yes, a higher requirement may be good... But make it no higher than 10 IMO.
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imho people need to learn how to map

song choice
mapping quality
sound effects
visual effects
new, inventive patterns

mapping is an art, just like drawing, music, etc.

if you don't pick the right song, don't map imaginatively, don't add interesting effects to give your map that extra oomph, your map will suck, and no one will want to look at it, no matter how many stars you have

there is no rule saying all uploaded maps will be ranked, and personally i don't think half the ranked maps should have been ranked in the first place
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This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.
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Ryuukun wrote:

But making the guidlines too harsh will result in too many players with too less mappers.
You're saying there are too many maps for players to play?

Echo wrote:

imho people need to learn how to map

song choice
mapping quality
sound effects
visual effects
new, inventive patterns

mapping is an art, just like drawing, music, etc.

if you don't pick the right song, don't map imaginatively, don't add interesting effects to give your map that extra oomph, your map will suck, and no one will want to look at it, no matter how many stars you have
I don't think these are ranking criteria because they are subjective.

Also, any map has the destination of the graveyard, approval, or ranking. The pending and help forums are not where maps are supposed to stay.
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No i said that too harsh guidline will result in less people start to make maps.
and this could be the overkill for a young game like osu which is growing.
I see it in Stepmania.
Sometimes you play around 200 songs for 1 year.
I doubt it will ever come to this in osu but doesn't osu want players to contribute?
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Ryuukun wrote:

No i said that too harsh guidline will result in less people start to make maps.
and this could be the overkill for a young game like osu which is growing.
I see it in Stepmania.
Sometimes you play around 200 songs for 1 year.
I doubt it will ever come to this in osu but doesn't osu want players to contribute?
Yes, but it doesn't want the graveyard to pile up either. Effort builds maps, and getting your map modded and starred requires effort.

Experienced mappers have shown their effort time and time again.
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As I said earlier...

RemmyX25 wrote:

Priority =/= rankability.
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That wasnt really the issue, though my title kinda suggests it. Its not that priority isnt translating to rank. It is that priority means nothing in the current system.

This discussion has already been touched upon in the party foul thread.

so.. whats priority for?
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RemmyX25 wrote:

As I said earlier...

RemmyX25 wrote:

Priority =/= rankability.
Priority determines when a beatmap should be looked at.

This topic isn't about ranking, from what I now see, only what maps BAT's should look at.
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I focus on high priority maps, and sometimes I look at a lower priority map because someone asked nicely, I love the song, or I'm doing a mod trade. I'm fine with a slight increase, but 20 kd is absolutely out of line. Good maps deserve to get ranked, and mapping quality isn't by any means equivalent to star priority.

Star priority shows that the mapper has some amount of community involvement and/or dedication to their map, and that counts for something in my decisions of which map to mod. And I hope other mods share my opinion on this. But come on, give us some freedom. We do favours for friends sometimes, and there's a lot of friendship among BATs. Sure, we have our responsibilities, but we're not servants. We're members of the community who just happen to be charged with making decisions about which maps are high-quality.

As for Party Foul, I don't think ranking that quickly should happen all the time, but like I said, sometimes we look at each others' maps. And sometimes we find those maps to be worthy of ranking.
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