what did he do?

no wait that was the tracker that could find that out, sorry.

I stand by my point. fart is scum, and I lean for pieguy as second scum, since he didn't died this night.

nobody saying anything is the worst thing. oh well, then I will elaborate myself a little bit more:

first of all, I did nothing anti-town the whole game through. you could argue that my quick vote was anti-town, and while incredibly dumb, it is more of a pro-town indicator.

let's assume I and dake were scum. why the fuck would we shoot caligno instead of pieguy? there is literally no reason, except the Wifom it would create. but what does Wifom bring me and dake in this situation when we are dead? not much, that's for sure.
why should I push fart in this situation? there are easier targets to push (dake), and if he was my scumpartner then I wouldn't push at all. why should I play such a perfect game where nobody suspects me, just to throw it hardcore?

well, maybe I want fart to buss me, because he is my scumpartner. but again, he would be scum, and he would be the better option to lynch. lynching me has the high risk of lynching somebody who isn't scum, as me and fart being the scum would be the only believable scenario in which i am scum. again, if dake and I were scum, pieguy would be dead by now.

the only reason to push fart in this situation that would make sense is if I was a vanilla townie. a vanilla townie for whom there is no doubt that fart has to be scum.

the only reason for pieguy being alive would be that he is scum. I can't really think of anything different. this doesn't even contradict with dake not being quickhammered on day 3, as scum was unsure whether dake or jinxy were traitor. there is still a cloud of uncertainy who of them is the last scum, but fart is 100% scum, and from that on, most argumentations would lead to pieguy. the way fart defended pieguy whenever the option of him (and fart) is, in my eyes, suspicious. add to that that fart reacted to even the slightest suspicions rather harshly (that one phrase about how we suspect you but have no real evidence on day 3 in particular) just stinks.

again analysing the kill situation. if I were scum, then scum would have at least one power of some sort. I would have wanted daytalk, as I would be insecure to play scum without a guiding hand. if I and dake were scum, then we would have yet another power. since it wasn't the traitor, it could've been one of either rolecop, ninja, bulletproof or JOAT. the option of having at least one undetectable nightkill would've been there.

then the fact that all of the claims of at least fart are very convenient claims. the claim of being watcher in an open set up like this (it was originally closed, but thanks to NH it wasn't for long), is really easy. you can make up all your results easily, as you will just say that you watched person x getting visited by person y. he basically didn't bring one useful result, and all of his claims were pretty basic.


I hope I could at least get rantai on my side. I am not scum, and fart is. if you (or the other townie) vote me, then we lose instantly. and if fart doesn't get lynched, then we lose aswell (except if the other scum gets lynched, which is doubtable). I would really hate to lose against so much gimmicky play and gambit. it would feel cheap.

The fact that both voted me in D2 without any other real suspects from them is still bugging me, like they thought I was the Traitor and easiliy take away the suspicious from them. That and fart trying to push too much into Tanz and I right now.

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

Please let me know if you see any mistakes

Tanz you're defending yourself way too much. Even if you're one of the last two VTs no one was accusing you, you wrote a long post explaining why you weren't mafia. I'm really not sure what to say.. (plus I have to go in a few minutes > <)

pieguy1372 wrote:

Tanz you're defending yourself way too much. Even if you're one of the last two VTs no one was accusing you, you wrote a long post explaining why you weren't mafia. I'm really not sure what to say.. (plus I have to go in a few minutes > <)

...fart accused me, rantai accused me, you suspected me, I was attacked by basically anyone.

I was as much offended as I could be in this situation.

DakeDekaane wrote:

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

Except you can't ninja hammer right now.

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About Tanz, I'm actually satisfied with his reasoning.

But Caligno being shot is just confusing. Tanz was more or less soft-confirmed town yet wasn't shot over someone who actually had people suspecting him. Tanz being the one person who could have been 'threatened' by him.

Tanzklaue wrote:

...fart accused me, rantai accused me, you suspected me, I was attacked by basically anyone.

I was as much offended as I could be in this situation.

maybe you're right OTL, I'm just not used to seeing people post such a long defense unless they're pretty much directly singled out by someone.

DakeDekaane wrote:

If Tanz and I were really scum, we'd already voted fartownik and ended the game, and this meaning the pretty obvious, unless Tanz is busing fart, which is very unlikely imo. I have nothing against voting fartownik, but I don't want any ninja hammer to avoid us have more discussion.

except that's impossible cause Tanz already voted fart o.o

Rantai wrote:

But Caligno being shot is just confusing. Tanz was more or less soft-confirmed town yet wasn't shot over someone who actually had people suspecting him. Tanz being the one person who could have been 'threatened' by him.

that's what confuses me too. I kinda expected to die, since I was the "safe" shot. even thought about a cool outro line already...
well, in the end we have pieguy not shot, which indicates strongly for him being scum. on the other hand, we have dake not lynched last day, which hints at scum. in the end, I am really unsure, though I tend to pieguy over dake, because I think with the play farto brought us, pieguy just would make sense.

but then dake defending me aswell, but doing so in a nervous fashion...

I really don't have much of a clue. like I said, all I know is that fart is scum. there is no way around it.

also, the unexpected "oh, I'm not dead" combined with "caligno is dead" and tiredness made me not overthink my decision to vote fart directly that much. it was dumb play on my side, and I get the feeling that scum wanted to bait such action out of me.

because I'm new to this and basically the only one who would do such an error.

Tanzklaue wrote:

well, in the end we have pieguy not shot, which indicates strongly for him being scum. on the other hand, we have dake not lynched last day, which hints at scum. in the end, I am really unsure, though I tend to pieguy over dake, because I think with the play farto brought us, pieguy just would make sense.

NKs are all WIFOM which is why I chose random chance over trying to out-WIFOM the mafia..it didn't work unfortunately, but we've still made it this far..
on the other hand since no ninja hammer occurred it has to be either Tanz or fartownik.

omg wtf is going on with these tags > <
and oh great now it's telling me I can't make another post right after my last one..

Derp. I should not write while still asleep. But the fact that fartownik isn't town is still valid.

just saw it.

sakura, you have to update the countdown in the opening post. it still counts for night 3.
Fixed, Thanks
-Sakura

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Also if you need to ask me something please state it in bold, thank you

Rantai wrote:

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Eh fine.

Rantai wrote:

Rantai wrote:

Did the traitor know who the mafia was btw?

Eh fine.

Sorry for that, it's just that it's easier to notice a question towards me than a question towards other players that way (or simply state @mod) anyway...

No, if you check the Sample Role PMs, the traitor has no knowledge of who the other 2 are

Let's just end this;

Vote: fart

I still think it's Dake and Tanz but screw it
vote: fartownik

Well that was an obvious kill, don't think anyone is surprised.

Money on DD unless Tanz pulled the biggest dick move on his partner.

And fml another 3 way ly-lo with me as the confirmed town.

Why does this keep happening to me =.=

DD is the last remaining scum.

remember the fun times of day 3? where DD and jinxy were both under votingpressure? they didn't quickhammer jinxy nor DD. I said that scum must fear that one of them is traitor.

you, rantai, said that this is impossible because they would just claim and lynch the remaining person to win instantly. I forgot to mention the scenario I think, but they couldn't claim in the case that one of the voted people was already scum.

I hope you understand what I mean?

anyway, the only possibility of nobody getting ninjahammered on day 3 was that one of the voted persons was scum and they were pretty sure themselves that the other one was traitor (can a role cop find out who the traitor is? if yes, then they probably had it confirmed which is why they didn't claim).

long story short, DD is the last scum.

Then why you no vote me and let Rantai decide?

I considered fart and pieguy as scum since D3, and both pointed at Tanz and I for no real reason in D4, so I strongly believed Tanz was town, but I realized I was wrong after fart being scum PR, then the last one had to be Tanz.

Also, it's possible that fart already knew who was the Traitor by scanning him N2, but you couldn't or passed something from him, that's why you were unsure of voting.

As Rantai is confirmed, then:
Vote: Tanzklaue

It seems there won't be quotefest now.

I didn't directly vote because after day 4 I didn't want to overcommit again. there is of course no one else than you to vote for me.

like I said rantai, the happenings of day 3 pretty much confirm DD as scum. the only reason for scum not claiming and ninjahammering that day was that DD was scum, so they actually couldn't claim, because... well, they would've shot themselves in the knee.

Vote: DakeDekaane

please just don't flip a coin this time ;;

Let me explain better why I think no ninja hammer occurred, there was already two people voting Jinxy, and the first voting me was Jinxy, so you couldn't claim as you needed to convince one person more to vote me, which you couldn't achieve as Jinxy was already pointed by PoE, so fart was forced to voted him if he already knew that Jinxy was the Traitor, but it seems he didn't know as after Caligno voted me nothing else happened.

In short, scum didn't know who was the Traitor.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Let me explain better why I think no ninja hammer occurred, there was already two people voting Jinxy, and the first voting me was Jinxy, so you couldn't claim as you needed to convince one person more to vote me, which you couldn't achieve as Jinxy was already pointed by PoE, so fart was forced to voted him if he already knew that Jinxy was the Traitor, but it seems he didn't know as after Caligno voted me nothing else happened.

In short, scum didn't know who was the Traitor.

if you weren't scum, then they would've claimed at the point you had the vote from caligno on you.they would've gotten a free win, but they couldn't. only reason for that is that you are scum.

like I said, the only reason to not get a quick ninja hammer was that there was one scum under pressure and possibly the traitor (who didn't get ninjahammered either, probably because fart knew who the traitor was).even if scum didn't know who the traitor was, the fact that all the suspicions laid on jinxy made it pretty much clear that he was the traitor from a scum point of view. fart would've pushed on you, who had arose less suspicion (ergo more likely to be town) instead of jinxy. you would've been the safer lynch from a scum point of view if you were town.

but you aren't town. else you would probably be dead by now and town would've already lost the game.because fart could've pushed on you with me if I were scum, and caligno was certain that you are scum, so we would've had 4 people. you would've been dead, I can assure you of that.

I considered fart and pieguy as scum since D3, and both pointed at Tanz and I for no real reason in D4, so I strongly believed Tanz was town, but I realized I was wrong after fart being scum PR, then the last one had to be Tanz.

What? You considered fart as scum then realised you were wrong when fart flipped scum? Contradiction much.

That said;

Vote: DD

Already suspected him etc etc. If Tanz is scum gg wp but everything points to DD so, yeah.

Didn't random.org this time.

I won.

:3

btw. what DD meant was that since fart was a scum PR, the team couldn't be any longer pieguy/fart. there was no contradiction.

Tanz wakes up and starts attacking Dake, but Dake doesn't stand there and decides to fight back, the decission ulimately rests on Rantai who mentions "That doesn't make any sense, you must be the last one, Dake starts sweating and tries to escape towards the escape pod room, where he finds that... there are no more escape pods, Rantai catches him from behind and as soon as Dake tries to reach for his gun, Rantai snatches it off his hand and shoots him, then Dake and Tanz search him and notice a list of very familiar names:
BRBP
Raging Bull
pieguy1372
"Hold on, why's Caligno not on this list?" Dake spews his last words: "he... was... fartownik's target... not mine..." then his life fades"

DakeDekaane - Mafia Goon has been lynched D5

Tanzklaue - Vanilla Townie has survived!

Rantai - Town Mason has survived!

This game ends in a:

Town Win

Mod Notes
Dead Chat
Rantai's Lonely Mason Chat
Scum Chat

Thanks to everyone who played, and special thanks to everyone that replaced in!

best mason chat.

wp town

"But still, if someone actually pushed enough then one of us might get lynched D3 (me or pieguy), but if I'm the one lynched (and it's known I'm scum), then pieguy will be the one lynched in D4."

fart, you do know that your death would've kinda confirmed pieguy and we would've never lynched him?

yep, farto totally forgot that himself dying would confirm pieguy.

I'm like the most douchey winner ever. I'm sorry. wp everyone!

"farto is deep undercover, kill pie guy and worst case is a fart-rantai-tanz, we'll definitely win!"

> cali dies instead



But christ, traitor is the worst fucking role ever short of joke roles, I have to lie except I don't know what to even lie about

if fart hadn't brainfarted, he could've easily pushed the lynch on me I think. that quickvote on day 4 was a dumb and noobish mistake. but even with his assumption of him dying getting pieguy lynched, I still was a reasonably easy lynchtarget. add to that that he basically had pieguy (and rantai at the beginning) on his side, together with his scumbuddy dake...

iI was genuinely surprised to even survive day 4.

also RB, why do you want to give me your babies?

Jinxy wrote:

But christ, traitor is the worst fucking role ever short of joke roles, I have to lie except I don't know what to even lie about

That was a modified Traitor role that I made based on EM's traitor to try to balance it a bit, figures 2 Masons were already powerful and I didn't need to do that, but I didn't realize that until it was too late.

In normal situation traitor knows scum, but scum doesnt know traitor.

yeeeaaaaaaah
oh hey, my instinct from D1 was right
Sakura, you still owe me $1,000 from the bet that said I'd die N4. :3

Yeah, I'm glad we ended up winning the game even though I derailed a scum wagon in favor of a town one.

Good work, guys. I was fully expecting to be put under lynch fire; never once did I think I would be nightkilled until I saw it happen.

Sakura wrote:

Rantai's Lonely Mason Chat

lol'd

Sorry Rantai, it's fair you hammered me :'(

If only I noticed that inconsistency at time, argh ;_;

GG Tanz, it'd be really hard to convince Rantai you were scum and not me.

Tanzklaue wrote:

btw. what DD meant was that since fart was a scum PR, the team couldn't be any longer pieguy/fart. there was no contradiction.

Oh that's what he meant.

Was going to say...


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And lol I completely forgot about my mason chat. I could have spilled all my thoughts and random crap into there D:

Or I could pull a crazy cult chat for the giggles

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NoHitter wrote:

Knowing Rantai, he will vote the person he tunneled on which is Dake. /o/

Yeah. Remind me to play differently if I ever get on opposing factions with you

Tanzklaue wrote:

also RB, why do you want to give me your babies?

Cause you solved who was mafia ever since we were at lylo the entire game.

GG. We lost because of my math skillz.

@Tanz: I've tried to make pieguy look as my scumbuddy as much as possible and I'm unsure of who would Rantai pick when there was only pieguy and Dake left on the board. That was my basic tactic and it failed because I forgot I'm a PR

I might've taken more risk than it's needed sometimes, but it was my first game as scum in the end. It's true I could have played it differently during the endgame (more like should have), but that doesn't change the fact I've learned a lot about scumplay and additionally about townplay as well. It was pretty fun, good job Tanzklaue.

I told you my massclaim strategy would work!

*dies*

fartownik wrote:

GG. We lost because of my math skillz.

@Tanz: I've tried to make pieguy look as my scumbuddy as much as possible and I'm unsure of who would Rantai pick when there was only pieguy and Dake left on the board. That was my basic tactic and it failed because I forgot I'm a PR

I might've taken more risk than it's needed sometimes, but it was my first game as scum in the end. It's true I could have played it differently during the endgame (more like should have), but that doesn't change the fact I've learned a lot about scumplay and additionally about townplay as well. It was pretty fun, good job Tanzklaue.

you played beautiful scum, just the endgame was messed up. if you hadn't forgotten that teensy tiny detail about you dying being the worst thing for scum, then you would've probably raped us.

Raging Bull wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

also RB, why do you want to give me your babies?

Cause you solved who was mafia ever since we were at lylo the entire game.

you give me more credit than I should get. I pretty much just never lost fart out of focus, and I called the jinxy-dake situation right. but on day 4 I thought pieguy is scum until fart flipped as rolecop. if fart wasn't a PR, his set up would've been really hard to beat.

I'm so glad I just said "screw it" and voted fartownik lmao
not that it would have mattered, but for some reason I felt really good about voting him. Turned out it was the right choice o.o

Gut feeling votes - 1

Gut feeling mislynches - too many