Kodora wrote:

This makes no sence. Map with 1 min drain time what was mapped by experienced mapper obviously needs less fixes and time to mod then map with 5-7 diff or 3+ min drain time or was mapped by not experienced mapper. I think everyone agreed that only mods improves map quality, not staying in pending without reason. At least, blaming already ranked maps because your map is not ranked looks just weird. Work at your own map & improve their own quality.

the point is that those 1 minute maps by so called experienced mappers suck balls to no avail and they deserve the rank much less than those who really try hard FOR MONTHS to get their shit ranked.

and to make matters worse, they get like 3-4 maps easily ranked, and if they wanted they could get even more.

Kodora wrote:

This makes no sence. Map with 1 min drain time what was mapped by experienced mapper obviously needs less fixes and time to mod then map with 5-7 diff or 3+ min drain time or was mapped by not experienced mapper.

There are new members who map 1 min drain time too, and they still wait a lot of time, meanwhile there are famous mappers who map 5 difficulties and still get it ranked by the end of the week. So yeah, your point again?

UnderminE wrote:

Here we can clearly see you didn't understand a word what people tried to point out since the beginning.

Yes, i dont understand how ranked maps from other people related with not ranked ones.
Well-made ones may be ranked even in 1-2 week and colour of your username does not matter, just look at list of ranked maps.
And please, read my previous post carefully.

I think everyone agreed that only mods improves map quality, not staying in pending without reason

Also those thread is duplicate t/88769?hilit=anti+speedrank+rule

Tanzklaue wrote:

Kodora wrote:

This makes no sence. Map with 1 min drain time what was mapped by experienced mapper obviously needs less fixes and time to mod then map with 5-7 diff or 3+ min drain time or was mapped by not experienced mapper. I think everyone agreed that only mods improves map quality, not staying in pending without reason. At least, blaming already ranked maps because your map is not ranked looks just weird. Work at your own map & improve their own quality.

the point is that those 1 minute maps by so called experienced mappers suck balls to no avail and they deserve the rank much less than those who really try hard FOR MONTHS to get their shit ranked.

and to make matters worse, they get like 3-4 maps easily ranked, and if they wanted they could get even more.

Do you mean maps like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/97359
Care to explain what is so bad about this map?

Dulcet wrote:

There are new members who map 1 min drain time too, and they still wait a lot of time, meanwhile there are famous mappers who map 5 difficulties and still get it ranked by the end of the week. So yeah, your point again?

New mappers need more fixes then experienced, isnt it?

Full Tablet wrote:

Do you mean maps like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/97359
Care to explain what is so bad about this map?

It's boring.

WE WANT FRESH BLOOD.

Kodora wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

There are new members who map 1 min drain time too, and they still wait a lot of time, meanwhile there are famous mappers who map 5 difficulties and still get it ranked by the end of the week. So yeah, your point again?

New mappers need more fixes then experienced, isnt it?

Then shouldn't they have a higher priority compared to an experienced mapper?

Sorry for double post teehee.

For a little warning, please be careful about saying shit to other maps or mappers.

the point is that those 1 minute maps by so called experienced mappers suck balls

what can i say

edit:

Then shouldn't they have a higher priority compared to an experienced mapper?

What kind of "priority" you want add to them?

Dulcet wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

Do you mean maps like this? https://osu.ppy.sh/s/97359
Care to explain what is so bad about this map?

It's boring.

WE WANT FRESH BLOOD.

A pretty objective comment about that map:

Kodora wrote:

What kind of "priority" you want add to them?

A... higher one? Are there any other types of priority in mapping?

Dulcet wrote:

A... higher one? Are there any other types of priority in mapping?

We still have kudosu priority.

Anyway as i said, it is not about shit maps or whatever. it is about speed-ranks, those speed-ranked maps are not different from other maps which are waiting in Pending. Maybe those maps in Pending are even better than these speed-ranked maps (100pa- again). The point is "There is no equality about this."

Please look at all of these things from a 3rd perspective instead of taking sides.

Kodora wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

A... higher one? Are there any other types of priority in mapping?

We still have kudosu priority.

Oh, then I guess you didn't understand me.

Let me rephrase that: shouldn't new mappers get more attention compared to the experienced ones?

UnderminE wrote:

Anyway as i said, it is not about shit maps or whatever. it is about speed-ranks, those speed-ranked maps are not different from other maps which are waiting in Pending. Maybe those maps in Pending are even better than these speed-ranked maps (100pa- again). The point is "There is no equality about this."

Please look at all of these things from a 3rd perspective instead of taking sides.

100pa- have no pending maps, they all graved. Even if 100pa- is one of my fauvorite mappers i must say - he is inactive, he dont ask for mods.
When you created this thread you forgot one important point - some mappers dont know how to get mods, afraid to ask BATs or even just lazy. We all have one standart for all maps what called Ranking Criteria. If map follow it and BATs agree that it may be ranked/approved that it will go to the official list.

Nothing to add here.

Why doesn't Kawayi Rika post by himself, Kodora?

reisende wrote:

Why doesn't Kawayi Rika post by himself, Kodora?

herself*, orz

Dont really get what are you asking about.

Kodora wrote:

100pa- have no pending maps, they all graved. Even if 100pa- is one of my fauvorite mappers i must say - he is inactive, he dont ask for mods.

We never said he was active. We said he quit.

Kodora wrote:

When you created this thread you forgot one important point - some mappers dont know how to get mods, afraid to ask BATs or even just lazy.

If the mappers refuse to ask BATs, then it's their own fault. We're talking about the ones who get ignored.

Kodora wrote:

UnderminE wrote:

Anyway as i said, it is not about shit maps or whatever. it is about speed-ranks, those speed-ranked maps are not different from other maps which are waiting in Pending. Maybe those maps in Pending are even better than these speed-ranked maps (100pa- again). The point is "There is no equality about this."

Please look at all of these things from a 3rd perspective instead of taking sides.

100pa- have no pending maps, they all graved. Even if 100pa- is one of my fauvorite mappers i must say - he is inactive, he dont ask for mods.
When you created this thread you forgot one important point - some mappers dont know how to get mods, afraid to ask BATs or even just lazy. We all have one standart for all maps what called Ranking Criteria. If map follow it and BATs agree that it may be ranked/approved that it will go to the official list.

Nothing to add here.

I also tried the same thing with another account once, made a map and asked BAT for mods. And obviously, the queue link appeared. But in the queue there were weird rules which meant I can't post there. They obviously will help you with some questions, but getting a mod is hard trust me. It is not about laziness or feeling shy or whatever. I've seen it with my own eyes several times.

Anyway, I am talking about those damn-good maps that slowly die in graveyard because the mapper is not famous/known enough and can't find a queue because of their weird rules. I really don't care about my map but, for example in my map, I had 2 easier diffs and I wanted to have 1 guest diff so I wouldn't ruin the song with my horrible Insane diff. I couldn't get the diff but still I wanted some people to mod my map, looked for queues but almost 99% of them had the rule "Pending Only" Then I stopped looking for guest diffs and whatever.

Dulcet wrote:

We never said he was active. We said he quit.

Sadly i must say that i discovered some unrankable issues in all his maps. They cant be ranked w/o fixes.

Dulcet wrote:

If the mappers refuse to ask BATs, then it's their own fault. We're talking about the ones who get ignored.

Then we should blame bad staff members who ignored. Would be nice if people will report members who have bad behaviour to mappers (such as ignoring)

Kodora wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

We never said he was active. We said he quit.

Sadly i must say that i discovered some unrankable issues in all his maps. They cant be ranked w/o fixes.

Dulcet wrote:

If the mappers refuse to ask BATs, then it's their own fault. We're talking about the ones who get ignored.

Then we should blame bad staff members who ignored. Would be nice if people will report members who have bad behaviour to mappers (such as ignoring)

so almost all of them?

Seeing as I'm not really a super big part of the mapping/modding community any longer, I can stand and look by with a pretty objective view.

Imo, speed-ranks should be allowed; to an extent. Speed-ranks keep the constant flow of new maps to play, which is most likely plays an effect on the fact that there has been no rules against it, nor has been worked on; as far as goes to what the community have seen. I remember my first map taking 3 months to get ranked, and even 3 months felt like a really long time, and I was getting annoyed that "famous" people could get theirs ranked faster. Turns out, my maps sucked. A lot. This might not always be the case, but there's a reason the "famous" people get their maps ranked fast, and that's because they're better than a first time mappers map, 99% times, with only few exceptions (RLC).

On the other hand, I also see too much speed-ranking, and which is why it should be taken care of, at least a small bit, imo. Having the same "famous" mappers getting their maps ranked 5 times per month, and this new mapper gets 2 per year, isn't fair. The new mapper won't get a name for himself/herself, nor will his ranking process speed up; and the "famous" mapper will stay ontop, with their same style of mapping. That'll end in a boresome result for a lot of us.

These are just my two cents, small thoughts, or whatever you might call them. Feel free to ask or something. I'm tired, so some of it might not make sense.

Also

Kodora wrote:

We still have kudosu priority.

Kudosu is practically useless these days. Just saying.

BATs was not ignored me as example. Can you please tell members who ignored you?

Kodora wrote:

[Then we should blame bad staff members who ignored.

Isn't that their job in the first place? To help people?

Kodora wrote:

Sadly i must say that i discovered some unrankable issues in all his maps. They cant be ranked w/o fixes.

I'm pretty sure they explained in the BASARA thread why they ranked it, even though there were some unrankable issues. Yeah, there is one unrankable map in his graveyard, but I think he just did it for shit and giggles.

Kodora wrote:

BATs was not ignored me as example. Can you please tell members who ignored you?

As said in OP, try not to mention names.

I remember some staff members even blacklisted my friend because he asked for mods almost everyday and got the same queue answer over and over again. Then got blacklist'd. Pretty sad actually. No need to mention the great equality.

UnderminE wrote:

I remember some staff members even blacklisted my friend because he asked for mods almost everyday and got the same queue answer over and over again. Then got blacklist'd. Pretty sad actually. No need to mention the great equality.

Haha I did that as well. \:D/ Back then I got removed after 2 minutes though, because it was a smaller community and I managed to have some friends.


Oh hey, Border Patrol is on TV. a-buh-bai!

Most of speedranked maps are always plain and boring, and not only that, many of them are also speedmapped, which, unless the mapper has awesome skills, will end being a generic and boring map.

If the map is flawless, it doesn't mean it should be ranked asap, it also has to pass through deep modding and sit a considerable time in Pending (maybe at least 2 weeks old), to gather all the mods it can, thus being polished more and being better, that's the reason of modding proccess, if speedranking for a "flawless" map is valid, then let's rank all those maps with no problems that have been sitting in Pending for months and even years.

Throwing my 2 cents, I know I'll be ignored though.

Dulcet wrote:

I'm pretty sure they explained in the BASARA thread why they ranked it, even though there were some unrankable issues. Yeah, there is one unrankable map in his graveyard, but I think he just did it for shit and giggles.

BASARA was not unrankable, you can read thread. (and please we shouldnt discuss here potential rankability of other maps)

UnderminE wrote:

I remember some staff members even blacklisted my friend because he asked for mods almost everyday and got the same queue answer over and over again. Then got blacklist'd. Pretty sad actually. No need to mention the great equality.

Annoying one member everyday is a bad thing too, thought. But if he ignored w/o reason this is should be punished (my opinion).

DakeDekaane wrote:

Most of speedranked maps are always plain and boring, and not only that, many of them are also speedmapped, which, unless the mapper has awesome skills, will end being a generic and boring map.

If the map is flawless, it doesn't mean it should be ranked asap, it also has to pass through deep modding and sit a considerable time in Pending (maybe at least 2 weeks old), to gather all the mods it can, thus being polished more and being better, that's the reason of modding proccess, if speedranking for a "flawless" map is valid, then let's rank all those maps with no problems that have been sitting in Pending for months and even years.

Throwing my 2 cents, I know I'll be ignored though.

No one shall get ignored! Everyone has a voice, that's why there's a forum for this game

But yeah you pretty much nailed it about the speed-ranks. I mean, a lot of the maps that have been ranked on 3-7 days, are very much alike, and doesn't have any original about them. Sure they might have quality, but change can never hurt too much, and something new every now and then, would spice up the maps a lot.

Kodora wrote:

Dulcet wrote:

I'm pretty sure they explained in the BASARA thread why they ranked it, even though there were some unrankable issues. Yeah, there is one unrankable map in his graveyard, but I think he just did it for shit and giggles.

BASARA was not unrankable, you can read thread. (and please we shouldnt discuss here potential rankability of other maps).

Then I'm sure everybody was hallucinating about a certain unrankable slider. Oh well.

Let's stop this, shall we. It's not contributing.

Kodora wrote:

UnderminE wrote:

I remember some staff members even blacklisted my friend because he asked for mods almost everyday and got the same queue answer over and over again. Then got blacklist'd. Pretty sad actually. No need to mention the great equality.

Annoying one member everyday is a bad thing too, thought. But if he ignored w/o reason this is should be punished (my opinion).

You already know it won't be punished because those members see this as "normal" since they are also humans and they can't mod all the time. Yet after that poor mapper if a famous/friend mapper asks a mod, they would say yes, trust me.

Plus you can't punish people that easily imo because they are not your workers, they do this job because they like doing it. But yeah, they must not be this selfish and think about other mappers as well. Or at least be equal to all people. Or even if they want to mod their friends' maps first, they shouldn't overdo it.

Anyway this thread is not even about "modding friends' maps first" this is actually about "RANKING friends' maps" which is even more horrible.

Dulcet wrote:

Kodora wrote:

BASARA was not unrankable, you can read thread. (and please we shouldnt discuss here potential rankability of other maps).

Then I'm sure everybody was hallucinating about a certain unrankable slider. Oh well.

Let's stop this, shall we. It's not contributing.

I do not really want discuss this, BASARA was submitted before this rule was arrived thats why BATs approved this

Explain how OSU! judges quality of maps:

-Map follows Official Ranking Criteria
-2BATs approves quality

=map deserves to be ranked

And i am happy with current standarts.

Quite an interesting thread.

I don't mind modding new mappers maps, and never have, in fact I like modding new mappers maps more than the same mappers due to seeing new patterns and new ways that people interpret the songs.

Tho, this thread is about speedranks and not new mappers.

Kodora wrote:

-Map follows Official Ranking Criteria
-2BATs approves quality

=map deserves to be ranked

And i am happy with current standarts.

To be happy with current standarts, a mapper must have really good BAT friends who can rank the map easily just by posting :3baka.

UnderminE wrote:

To be happy with current standarts, a mapper must have really good BAT friends who can rank the map easily just by posting :3baka.

Very subjective opinion.

Kodora wrote:

Explain how OSU! judges quality of maps:

-Map follows Official Ranking Criteria
-2BATs approves quality

=map deserves to be ranked

And i am happy with current standarts.

If it was really like this, then we wouldn't complain about it all the time.

You should worry about the actual map instead of how fast it got ranked. Don't like the map? Then vote it based on how bad you think it is. Threads like this won't sway a community's opinion. So the best thing you can do is reflect your judgement of the map's quality through the ratings. Speedranking won't go away, sorry to crush your hopes and dreams of a "fair" system, but people will always exploit it. (This counts for any type of system ever, not just speedranking) If speedranking ever stopped, people will just complain about the next fad in popular mappers.

Hey guys,

I have read the whole thread, this is not the first time the community complains about this so It's easy to tell what is this about, however I'm pretty sure that this "speed-ranking" thing has decreased thus I don't think this is a big issue anymore. Believe or not, we've discussed this issue in Moderators Lounge quite a few times and we even have an announcement about it stickied in the ML forums.

About new mappers, yeah, It's reaaaaaally hard to get your first map ranked, we've all gone through this. I got my first map ranked after 1 year+ of modding. This is something inevitable and we can't do much about it right now. However a new ranking system is being developed which will "fix" this situation, thus just be patient.

About staff, please understand that making a mod can take from 15 minutes to 6h+, this is not an easy "job". The point is, sometimes modding a "famous" mapper's map is way easier and takes less time than modding a map with a lot of errors and suggestions to be made, for some BATs like me who don't have a lot of free time, this a good alternative for modding, else we wouldn't mod at all because we don't have enough time.

tl;dr: We apologize for any inconvenience and you can be sure that we will always try to avoid these scenarios as much as possible, as BATs we are dedicating our free time to help you, we also expect some tolerance from you when it comes to denying requests or letting us pick the maps we want to mod. Also remember that we recently had the promotion of 3 BAT Managers who are looking to make things move forward, you can always approach any of them if you'd like to talk about anything related to the BAT and its members.

I don't see this discussion going anywhere so far, just complaints so there's no point on going on, thus if the next posts are the same I'll lock the thread

Gonzvlo wrote:

Hey guys,

I have read the whole thread because this is not the first time the community complains about this so It's easy to tell what is this about, however I'm pretty sure that this "speed-ranking" thing has decreased thus I don't think this is a big issue anymore. Believe or not, we've discussed this issue in Moderators Lounge quite a few times and we even have an announcement about it stickied in the ML forums.

About new mappers, yeah, It's reaaaaaally hard to get your first map ranked, we've all gone through this. I got my first map ranked after 1 year+ of modding. This is something inevitable and we can't do much about it right now. However a new ranking system is being developed which will "fix" this situation, thus just be patient.

About staff, please understand that making a mod can take from 15 minutes to 6h+, this is not an easy "job". The point is, sometimes modding a "famous" mapper's map is way easier and takes less time than modding a map with a lot of errors and suggestions to be made, for some BATs like me who don't have a lot of free time, this a good alternative for modding, else we wouldn't mod at all because we don't have enough time.

tl;dr: We apologize for any inconvenience and you can be sure that we will always try to avoid these scenarios as much as possible, as BATs we are dedicating our free time to help you, we also expect some tolerance from you when it comes to denying requests or letting us pick the maps we want to mod. Also remember that we recently had the promotion of 3 BAT Managers who are looking to make things move forward, you can always approach any of them if you'd like to talk about anything related to the BAT and its members.

I don't see this discussion going anywhere so far, just complaints so there's no point on going on, thus if the next posts are the same I'll lock the thread

Since I've been on pretty much all possible sides (unknown mapper, famous mapper, BAT), I'm pretty sure I know by experience that I've seen this issue from all points of view.

For a busy BAT, it's really hard to mod a beginner's map which barely has spaced notes and since you're a BAT and you're expected to give high-quality mods, you'll have to point out every possible issue to help the mapper, which ends up in modding a single map for 3+ hours. For this reason, modding something from experient mappers is a good alternative.
However, now seeing from the mapper's side, this is obviously how it doesn't work like.

" For this reason, modding something from experient mappers is a good alternative."

experient mappers that know how to make high-quality maps quickly =/= your friends that make mediocre maps, but there's nothing really wrong with them, so gogogo.

I was going to complain how that certain BAT does this and does that, but Gonzvlo's post made me pretty much shut up. Really well-worded there, and even reminded me of some points I have forgotten because of my rage against the speedranking/unfairness.

However, even though what he said is true, we shouldn't forget that bias does happen. And it's completely unrelated to "mapper's skill" or "trusting that the mapper doesn't make bad maps", but simply "he's my friend, so I can just tell him a few things and rank it with not much effort."

As I mentioned in another thread, I have a guest diff in a mapset that has been bubbled for 1.5 month. In that period of time, a mapper has ranked 4 beatmaps, 2 of them approved. That means at least 10 BATchecks were involved in the process, while our map is getting heavily ignored by BATs simply because the mapper isn't well-known in the community and can't communicate well enough to ask every possible BAT (which would probably get him an answer like "no, i'm too busy" or "see my rules in userpage").

Gonz's post gives us many true points, but let's not forget about some other stuff.

I used to need about 4 months+ to get a map ranked, back when I started. Nowadays, it still takes me some time to get a map ranked, because finding mods from normal users is really hard. I don't really mind though, there's no need to rush to get a map ranked if you really care about quality.

Gonzvlo wrote:

About new mappers, yeah, It's reaaaaaally hard to get your first map ranked, we've all gone through this. I got my first map ranked after 1 year+ of modding.

It took me about a month. I was just patient and made a mod request on a regular basis in #osu, which was all I needed to do since the community was smaller back then (I was a major d-bag, too! ). So yeah, having that new ranking system will likely be a good thing - when the original system was developed it was not designed for a community anywhere near this big. It was designed for a community more of the size when I joined, and it worked well back then. However, we've outgrown it.

I really do think people should wait for the new ranking system before complaining giving constructive feedback again. What, exactly, is the point of wasting time talking about this one that's being ditched to begin with partly because of the reasons brought up on this thread? I don't see the point, really.

EDIT: Constructive feedback will probably help when the new system's up and running, though.

Speed-ranks are bad because they take the opportunity for new players to catch BATs, but also we should use the common sense, a short map made by an experienced mapper could be ranked faster than a long song mapped by a new player. The problem is likely to be abusing this.

What about to have a limit rank to 1 per month gonna be nice, since me and other mappers get mad when we see a map get mods from like 10 bats when you have to pray for one...
Also is sad to see maps with alot of orignal pattern and flow like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/51743 being ignore alot of time
Since the most of speedrank maps are so bored andd simple imo.

Well thats is my opinion sorry for bad english

eldnl wrote:

Speed-ranks are bad because they take the opportunity for new players to catch BATs, but also we should use the common sense, a short map made by an experienced mapper could be ranked faster than a long song mapped by a new player. The problem is likely to be abusing this.

yap true , also it can completely ruin the pp gain.

the only thing that i want to know , why some MAT just make short map to be ranked ?
i think it would be better if they make a quality map & make a maps that attract more player than before = 3 =

I must admit I've found the whole system to be pretty frustrating as a new mapper. When working on my own map I actually found getting mods from regular users to be relatively painless (if only from lurking the modding queue forum).

BATs were another story entirely - I'd be lucky if even 10% of the people I messaged responded, let alone anything more than that. It's pretty disheartening.

The activity of BATs are limited. Everyone need BAT to rank their maps in current system, and speedranking needs exceptional interests of BATs for certain map or mapper. This results in unusual consuming of BAT's activity, and if certain mapper take big share of BAT's activity too often, that can be a problem. (Yeah quite similar with eldnl's thought.)

Lots of guys hate this and showing their hatred via various ways(including down-voting the map), though mentioning about this directly in the mapping thread usually leads it to drama and end up locking the thread, so it isn't easy to express their anger effectively. (This thread is also the way to show their opinion indirectly, huh?) Anyway, management team was always good at stopping drama, but not good at solving the problem that makes the drama. I guess BATs know about this problem long long time ago, but they never suggested the solution of this problem nor acknowledged their mistakes, at least in public.

Of course, BAT's job is HARD, but this can't be a excuse for this inequality.

EDIT: Well, gonzvlo did acknowledged it, it's quite rare since I've always seen BAT repeating completely theoretical principle.

EDIT2: Well yes at least current status is much better than I was active, but seems 'certain' mapper bites his share more and more, huh?

EDIT3: I was a bit agitated since some guy told down-voting is childish. Do they have another way?

EDIT4: Oh man someone please make me calmed down, I'm still fixing this post.

Blue Dragon wrote:

no need to rush to get a map ranked if you really care about quality.

3 months on #modreqs without attention is killing, you know. If it wastes my time then I would use that for something better than screaming with no result.

Modding queue has m4m rules, which is painful (If you say because I'm lazy, yes I am. But wouldn't it better than forcing self to nc mod maps?). This restrict new mapper to get mods, because we all know that new mapper doesn't get any basic of modding.

Adding a bunch sum of BAT wouldn't help if they only mod experienced mapper's map.

What's wrong with newbie mapper's mapping skill? They put their effort and tried their best, not random putting circles and slider. Mod is to improve. Improved beatmaps will get ranked. If a map doesn't get mod, then when will it get rank?

I want to mention the case of myself:
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There is nothing other than quality that decide the ranking of map.

For the all people send BAT request to me or in #modreqs:
Mapper I am familiar with:
90% times the map is ranking quality.
Mapper I am unfamiliar with:
10% times the map is ranking quality.

So if 10 familiar mapper and 10 unfamiliar mapper come to me, 9 familiar mapper and 1 unfamiliar mapper will get mod.
That is what you see. "Always mod friend's map."

For speed ranking:
If a map is excellent, I don't care whether it is 1 week or 2 week rank.
If a map sucks, I don't care whether it is 1 year or 2 years in pending.
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Why this happen? Because experienced mapper knows more about map quality, while new mappers throw whatever(even can't be judged by him/herself) to #modreqs.

this is a tricky issue. i've always been an advocate for speaking out against speedranking and it is probably one of the bigger "unseen" issues we have amongst the staff, but it is also one of those issues which is precipitated by how the modding cycle actually works.

basically, speedranks happen because a certain sect of mappers/community members have a regular, recognized presence. these are people that the mapping/modding community actively know about and can be assured that said person is both receptive to modding and capable enough to apply these mods quickly and without any fuss. these people with this presence are therein the path of least resistance when it comes to ranking maps, and as such, are the ones that the BAT tend to go for when finding things to mod.

#modreqs and even #modhelp are rapidly becoming a waste of time these days. before they were split into #mod, it was a place where a thriving community actively modded each other's maps in a real-time environment. now, modreqs is a fire and forget modding queue which is largely ignored by anyone established and is a black hole for productivity of any kind. i'm going to consider merging the two channels back together and to set up an initiative of sorts to get new mappers and modders integrated into a whole community again.

the other thing is that osu! is really one of those places where you get what you put into it. spamming requests on people's mod queues and in #modreqs gives largely nothing back to the community and is akin to leeching on a p2p website. if you want to get yourself known in the community, get proactive in modding other people's maps on your own accord, not for those shitty m4m mods which are almost always completely worthless and tantamount to kudosu farming. become a part of the community rather than simply seeking to use the community to get -your- maps ranked. this is not to say that all the grievances about speedranking are invalid or anything like that, but i legitimately struggle to see what a lot of the posters complaining about their maps not getting looked at in this thread are giving back to the community when they are asking for someone to spend upwards of an hour assessing their map for ranking

So we're saying #modreqs is a /np spam channel? Why do it even exist then?
Even if you're active as modder, you'll get known as 'someone who willingly mod your map'. By who? Of course by the mapper who got their map modded. At the end, you'll get no mod. You will, but meh, rarely
If you say that only noob that posts their hard work at #modreqs, then why don't we terminate that channel? Implies that it's useless.
Keep in mind that there are room for improvements - no matter how perfect you think, some people may point out some that can be improved.
Honestly, I think BAT should focus not only for ranking progress, but helping others to improve, which is why I'm pretty sad that MAT got disbanded. I don't know what will the new system do, but I'm hoping for the better.
Yes, m4m is sucks.

UnderminE wrote:

Even though they still can get 3 maps ranked in 1 month? Plus it's been going "in development" status for a loong time already, these kind of things must have the first priority instead of changing the appearance (such as white-avatar-boxes).

fuck off.

is my first reaction to this. if only you knew how much i was doing in the background. i would usually avoid commenting like this, but seriously, try and picture exactly how much is involved in implementing a new ranking system. while keeping everything else running smoothly, fixing bugs, deploying new server, handling support, etc. etc.

just because all you notice is a 15 second css change, don't assume that is all i'm working on.

locking thread because we've discussed this countless times in countless places and further discussion is pointless. if the map has issues and needed to be unranked, then complain loudly. otherwise congratulate the mapper and move on.