Lally wrote:

This is not a Queue since we have a specific forum for this,this tread should be used for discussion about mapping and who needs help,how i said before

Sey wrote:

Lally wrote:

This is not a Queue since we have a specific forum for this,this tread should be used for discussion about mapping and who needs help,how i said before

Why is a list of helpers created when this thread is used for questions, discussions and suggestions? Is it not enough to simply refer you to good(just the best) modders in a list, so that you are only informed that you can ask them in person?
If someone has a general question in this thread it is supposed to be answered by just any player who has made experience in the asked question. I find it unnecessary to make a list of ALL people who want to do something voluntarily here. That will be just confusing later.
I think not all people know who can help and this can be a way to make know people who want to help here
Just write something like:
"This Thread should help you to answer ctb mapping questions in general. Everybody who's checking that Thread regular is willed to help you. If you think your questions cannot be answered here or you want to do it with someone in person check the following list of experienced ctb modders/players: Deif, Drafura, Kurai,... (and so on)".
That sounds just much better. Right now it is sounding like that team is responsible for this thread alone but you should know it is public for anyone and can be used by other players which do not appear in the list as well. Maybe you try to express that but somehow I do not like the choice of words in the OP for now. Then I am sorry.
I'll use they since i'm not so pro on eng i think you find the right word Sey ty
However, there is one thing I criticize:
You want to write down everybody in that list who is willed to help. In fact, I would only mention the people who really can be called as (good) ctb modders in the "ctb modders"-list. . I count to them "Deif, Drafura, Kurai, Kuzino, and so on..." (Maybe some out of this here: t/127380&start=0)

we have some pro modders,but if people want to help with modding ctb since the modders of ctb that i know i can count they maybe less then 10 ,why not say: we're not pro modders but we can give you one hand to test your map to give you suggestions and so on , because modding beginns from this ''suggestion for improving the map'' this is a list from people who wanna HELP with the ctb maps not a list of PRO modders

I guess there will be later a too big load of people who want to participate here or appear in that list, so that things could get a bit confusing there. And also for the people who really search for help here it will be difficult to decide between so many people who really is the most appropriate person for that question if the person wants the question not be solved in that thread but privately.

Anyways, I like the idea. All I want is that this list is not too big. I am open as well here to help people though I am not an experienced modder but still can help answering questions. But after saying that I am not experienced I don't want to appear im that list. I just help others when I want to.


ofc,this is your decision,i'll do the first post better,but anyway the main thing is that people wanna help and the list how i said before is made of those people,and not pro modders,ty for your opinion ofc C:

Drafura wrote:

List or not doesn't matter... Acts matter.

urs4chan wrote:

uhmm , i need an help for someone to looking my new ctb diff , (i need the opinion about the pattern , ect & error) .

urs4chan wrote:

*yes , It'll be very useful

Lally wrote:

i wanna ask before here ; do we wanna have a list of people who wanna help about modding/mapping or not? since i saw in the Help tread that someone wanted it

pls gimme a feedback

Lally wrote:

what about just : you can become more help about mapping from: bla bla bla (?)

Deif wrote:

I'm thinking of ZHSteven, urs4chan and Nitojgrem (though he's not that active nowadays) to add to the list.

Regarding CTB mapsets, somebody pointed out in my map that Cup/Salad should have more fruit density as an Easy/Normal in standard, but I don't agree at all with it. Any ideas/opinions about it?

Deif wrote:

Regarding CTB mapsets, somebody pointed out in my map that Cup/Salad should have more fruit density as an Easy/Normal in standard, but I don't agree at all with it. Any ideas/opinions about it?

Lally wrote:

your consistence of beats is comparable to a easy and to a normal in standard

Sey wrote:

I do not really think it is needed to increase the fruit density of a cup or salad because it really does not make a big difference and also doesn't change the difficulty of the map itself (Also... Shouldn't a cup more or less be like an easy in standard?). It requires of course more creativity of the modder in the meaning of where else you can or have to put a note than just 1/1 (and sometimes maybe 1/2). Putting more notes also means that the whole style of the map changes and it's not a typical Cup or Salad anymore but maybe closer to a Platter without any (H-)Dashes. It will be much more difficult for players and modders to separate the CTB difficulties then.

eldnl wrote:

Your mind is going wrong, isn't that the reason of why we have ctb mapset rankable already?
Density of the notes is how the map feels, as you said, if it doesn't makes any difference, let's do it in the way it feels better.
I guess you can even add streams in cup difficulty, if it fits I can't see anything bad

Drafura wrote:

Both are okay imo. The details of diff spread aren't set by any rules actually, so basically you can use the same timeline in all your diffs and still get a nice diff spread. The only problem I see about this is the difficulty star rating wich is going to lead you to a 5 stars on all diffs. A thread about the diff spread have to be opened somewhere (here or in rules discution) as suggested by urs in a non stop spam thread (baka urs). If you need to experiment before opening this thread go for it. I personnally thinks an AR9 easy is possible too, but it strongly goes against the usual path players ranks on it (will make a DT very hard on it, but maybe it's a good thing, maybe the reason that so few people learn AR9 DT is due to the inexistance of AR9 easy ?). Experimentations are allways a good thing and I think it will be quite impossible to define the spread until we have experimentations on it.

Drafura wrote:

Both are okay imo. The details of diff spread aren't set by any rules actually, so basically you can use the same timeline in all your diffs and still get a nice diff spread. The only problem I see about this is the difficulty star rating wich is going to lead you to a 5 stars on all diffs. A thread about the diff spread have to be opened somewhere (here or in rules discution) as suggested by urs in a non stop spam thread (baka urs). If you need to experiment before opening this thread go for it. I personnally thinks an AR9 easy is possible too, but it strongly goes against the usual path players ranks on it (will make a DT very hard on it, but maybe it's a good thing, maybe the reason that so few people learn AR9 DT is due to the inexistance of AR9 easy ?). Experimentations are allways a good thing and I think it will be quite impossible to define the spread until we have experimentations on it.

eldnl wrote:

I guess peppy can do something else with the difficulty in ctb (?

Lally wrote:

eldnl wrote:

I guess peppy can do something else with the difficulty in ctb (?

what do you mean?

Drafura wrote:

Both are okay imo. The details of diff spread aren't set by any rules actually, so basically you can use the same timeline in all your diffs and still get a nice diff spread. The only problem I see about this is the difficulty star rating wich is going to lead you to a 5 stars on all diffs. A thread about the diff spread have to be opened somewhere (here or in rules discution) as suggested by urs in a non stop spam thread (baka urs). If you need to experiment before opening this thread go for it. I personnally thinks an AR9 easy is possible too, but it strongly goes against the usual path players ranks on it (will make a DT very hard on it, but maybe it's a good thing, maybe the reason that so few people learn AR9 DT is due to the inexistance of AR9 easy ?). Experimentations are allways a good thing and I think it will be quite impossible to define the spread until we have experimentations on it.

eldnl wrote:

I guess peppy can do something else with the difficulty in ctb (?

eldnl wrote:

AR9 is not readable for new users

eldnl wrote:

AR9 is not readable for new users

Drafura wrote:

eldnl wrote:

AR9 is not readable for new users

I was playing AR9 the second week I started CtB. I remember Deif showing me some val's maps in multi, for me AR9 is the begining, and if I was able to clear easiest val's map I don't see any reason why a new comer can't clear/FC an even easier map in AR9.

eldnl wrote:

if you're going to make some non-jump diffs, yes it is readable, but easiest difficulties shouldn't be easy with any mod?

Drafura wrote:

eldnl wrote:

if you're going to make some non-jump diffs, yes it is readable, but easiest difficulties shouldn't be easy with any mod?

It's all about point of view here. I need to make some experiments but i'm pretty sure that an easy AR9 DT would be easier than the same map with AR6 and HD for me and maybe other players wich can't play HD as easily as 95% of you guys. I know it can be hard to get in mind an easy AR9 cause all AR9 we play are insanes and that's another point cause you know AR is something important wich can determine wich maps you can actually play or not. Isn't a good idea to offer easy/normal AR9 for players who want to learn to play this speed and can't clear an AR9 insane ?

"easiest difficulties shouldn't be easy with any mod?"
I can't answer that. There's no rules about it actually so maybe a discution about it should be opened (again). In a first time i'll pretty much say "no : the only things matter is none, modes are options players decide to add or not", but I want to hear your arguments : "Why ? How ? What are your thoughts about each diff in the spread ? And for each point should it be a rule or a guideline ?". Again, CtB mapping is the opportunity to make your OWN mode as you see it not as you saw it from converted maps. However it requires more discutions cause if the community wants easies to be playable full mods I'll not opose but at least another idea is given.

eldnl wrote:

If we put AR9 on the easiest difficulty, what will be left for other difficulties? AR10 in normal? meh that's my point, what if new players want to do some FL?
I guess you know how hard it is with AR9 ... easy difficulty means that should me played for new players, you're thinking only in you, and yes, proably for you and me AR9+DT is easy, but let's think on beginners ...

Drafura wrote:

My thought about ARs and jump difficulty (this is only my opinion so please discuss) :

Cup : AR6 with no big jumps, easy and rare hyperdashes allowed to introduce them to new players. (I think a Cup could be HR'd by most players so AR7 will be a bit fast)
Salad : AR7 or 8 with rare big jumps (not more than one or two), easy and some hyperdashes allowed.
Platter : AR8 or 9 with some big jumps in AR8 and rare big jumps in AR9, hyperdashes are pretty free but not allowed to chain them in different directions.
Rain : AR8 or 9 with big jumps in AR8 and some big jumps in AR9, hyperdashes are free until they respect rules/guidelines ofc.
Overdose : AR9 no limit until it respect rules/etc... Just keep in mind that ALL jumps and hyperdashes have to make sense in the song (this is obvious but some mappers seems to forget that).
Deluge : AR10. My opinion on AR10 mapping is to avoid all not sightreadable jumps but since there's no example of this kind of mapping it's really hard to say what could be allowed/banned from AR10 maping.

When I say easy hyperdashes I'm talking about the timeline and the spacing. A 1/4 hyperdash isn't considered as easy due to instability of ryuuta. If in your map settings the hyperdash is triggered at x2.00 h-spacing the hyperdash is considered as easy if you put it at max x2.10 , imo.

When I say big jump I'm talking about spacing : If your hyperdash is triggered at x2.00 h-spacing placing it at min x1.80 makes it huge, again imo.

If you have two or more difficulties in the mapset for example Platter and Rain you can't do Platter AR9 and Rain AR8. Only AR8 AR8 / AR9 AR9 / AR8 AR9 would be allowed.

I still think an AR9 cup is possible but this would make the rule very hard to build. <- This is a different approach of the diff spread wich consist of learning to play certain AR instead of certain patterns.