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I'm pretty skilled at osu!mania... I have one problem though... and that's stamina...


My stamina is beyond trash, cannot do vibro at all, cannot do jack maps for a prolonged time, speed maps... I'm pretty good at, but again... I can't do them for a long time, and when it comes to stamina maps I just give up.

I noticed all of this after playing dump jack maps (or whatever they're called) and especially after trying the dan's out, I should be dan 10 at the moment but I'm stuck at dan 6. I have a 99-100% on all the maps... but not on the stamina map.

It goes like this, 5 seconds in, I have a 100% accuracy and my fingers don't feel weird at all, 10 seconds in, my hands feels normal and a bit light, then 15 seconds in, just in a switch, my hands become extremely heavy and I literally cant press notes.

I've done anything I possibly could think of, watching osu! stamina videos since there are none about osu!mania, I learned this:



* preserve stamina by having light taps.
* correct hand posture.
* knowing your switch.
* Build stamina by getting used to higher BPM's.
* Reserve stamina by not putting too much effort in easy parts.

All of these tips I used on osu!mania, and to some extent, yeah they do help a bit but my problem still exists, after 15 seconds in I can't play anymore.


so my question is, what can I do to correct this and get rid of my stamina problem?

SIDENOTE: this problem is mainly with dan stamina maps, jack maps are easy for me. (and the rest)

also sorry for the bad English... I'm dutch haha...

I'm gonna keep it real with you and tell you that you aren't 10th or Tach level. There should be zero reason that your physicality is so ahead of your stamina capabilities, you're stamina is probably fine for your current level but you might just holding yourself down by saying you should be 10th or Tach.

You can push yourself to play hard stamina maps but you shouldn't be playing maps you physically cannot finish. If you want to improve stamina you should play maps that are hard to finish but not impossible, you should also try not to pause while playing since it kills the point of trying to improving stamina. This part is pretty obvious but you should aim for long maps around 4-6 minutes.

users/4596485 and users/1383951 Have beatmaps I recommend downloading from to train stamina

You lose stamina on patterns or maps you are not COMFORTABLE with. Try doing lower level maps. And also getting 99-100 on 6th dan maps would probably be an 8th or maybe 9th clear because you need stamina for all those maps, and about your "TACHYON" skills. There is no way you are even CLOSE to tachyon. If you are only 6th and struggle with stamina you probably won't even survive the first 10 seconds of tachyon, trust me. I'm luminal dan and I probably won't even stand a chance until I get better.

According to your profile, I could also tell that you're not at Tachyon level yet. Your scores aren't considered Tachyon level. Yes, you're right about probably around mid-5th Dan player or 6th dan if you say so.

You should conisder watching this video as it not only serves Etterna players but the rest of VSRGs that focuses on 4k: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-b7qo9nyo&t=435s

As for stamina and jacks, playing chordjack maps are one of the best ways to improve your stamina. You should check Tachyon's Compulsive Chordjack Collection and some of his minipacks in his profile page too.

Don't mean to rub it in any more than the others have, but yeah, 10th dan is not possible with what I can see on your profile. I'd probably focus on doing 6th then 7th, 8th etc. So you get an accurate representation of your skill.

For my stamina routine, I'll usually play a long jumpstream/handstream stamina file until I can get >98% (might take a week or two), and then move up a rate. There's also a lot of really good stamina maps by IcyWorld and Shoegazer, so definitely take a look at those. You can also just search for any DJ sharpnel song, since those are the apex of stamina maps. Tbh, rates are your best friend as they will solely focus on stamina and speed, which seems to be what you want. If you want longjack stamina, the same stuff as above applies, but just with different mappers. If you want to build up to 10th, feel free to use a rate mod to do lost dedicated on 0.8 or 0.9 until you get 99% or so.

Stamina is interesting because you need to build it in all the main skillsets (jacks, tech, streams, speed, etc.) So yeah, make sure to train all those up consistently. Lastly, dans are pretty good stamina trainers on their own. If you're 6th dan, try and get a high acc on the 5th, or just keep grinding 6th even after you clear it.

In any case, best of luck with stamina training! It's a tough skill to build, but once you do, you'll see major improvements in your play. Also, don't set your expectations too high; you'll only de-motivate yourself and hurt your play. It is good to keep goals though, so keep on working towards Tachyon!

feel like this is bait, but if its not than im just gonna be honest and say that you do not have tachyon dan skills. very far from it... that's like saying i have delta skills because i can 96 the first 5 seconds of volcanic

i dont mean to be an asshole or to demotivate you; the opposite, actually. if your expectations of your skills are so far ahead of your actual skill level than you'll find yourself not being able to meet that skill level ever, which will cause yourself to burn yourself out quickly on the game.

the reason you feel like you're tachyon but dont have stamina is because you're just not tachyon. if you're running out of stamina quickly because you're playing songs 5 dans ahead of where you actually are than that's perfectly normal. you need to judge your skill very conservatively, because if you think you're so far ahead in the game you will just fall on your face.

also, according to your profile, i read that you have been playing for 4 months now. reaching tachyon in that timespan is pretty much impossible... ive been playing actively for about a year now and im still not even gamma. this is because you cannot develop proper muscle memory and pattern recognition in this time span, even if you play for hours and hours daily. i can read some very hard maps, but the reason i cant play them is on top of me not having enough endurance for it, i dont have the proper muscle memory to play it properly, which causes me to misread patterns to a point which makes it completely impossible for me to play for more than a few seconds.

instead of going straight to tachyon, just go down a few dans down to 5th-6th dan and improve from there. constantly being under the impression you're tachyon and pushing only your mobility to that level while inevitably leaving your stamina in the dust will cause you to never actually reach tachyon. if you set your sights lower, you'll be able to actually reach it soon.

ps:

My stamina is beyond trash, cannot do vibro at all

please dont try learning vibro in your current skill level. its very unnecessary and youll benefit from learning it later instead of now.

from my experience, just don't play stamina maps. Imagine 6th dan stamina is to do 50 pushups. Well currently you can do 30. Alright, so do you do more pushups? No, you do diamond pushups, archer ups, different harder variations. Once you master those harder variations, if you do the easier variations, they feel like a breeze. Just play higher bpm maps.

edp446 wrote:

from my experience, just don't play stamina maps. Imagine 6th dan stamina is to do 50 pushups. Well currently you can do 30. Alright, so do you do more pushups? No, you do diamond pushups, archer ups, different harder variations. Once you master those harder variations, if you do the easier variations, they feel like a breeze. Just play higher bpm maps.

Thanks for the pushup tips

edp446 wrote:

from my experience, just don't play stamina maps. Imagine 6th dan stamina is to do 50 pushups. Well currently you can do 30. Alright, so do you do more pushups? No, you do diamond pushups, archer ups, different harder variations. Once you master those harder variations, if you do the easier variations, they feel like a breeze. Just play higher bpm maps.

this is terrible advice, doing different variations of stamina helps you with stamina oriented patterns but not going out of your stamina comfort zone is going to make it so you will always have shit endurance and shit stamina and wont be able to play maps over 20 seconds in. i used to avoid stamina maps and now my stamina is total shit

[LS]PositoniX wrote:

edp446 wrote:

from my experience, just don't play stamina maps. Imagine 6th dan stamina is to do 50 pushups. Well currently you can do 30. Alright, so do you do more pushups? No, you do diamond pushups, archer ups, different harder variations. Once you master those harder variations, if you do the easier variations, they feel like a breeze. Just play higher bpm maps.

this is terrible advice, doing different variations of stamina helps you with stamina oriented patterns but not going out of your stamina comfort zone is going to make it so you will always have shit endurance and shit stamina and wont be able to play maps over 20 seconds in. i used to avoid stamina maps and now my stamina is total shit

Forgive me for not explaining well. I meant if you want to get better stamina you have to play maps that are harder than what you have to normally play. So if you can play 180 bpm stamina maps for a maximum of 5 minutes and you want to further improve your stamina, don't stay at 180 and try to hit the 6 minute mark. Move on to higher bpm maps such as 200. That is what I'm trying to say. When I talked about the different pushup variations, they were analogous to higher bpm maps (but I didn't explain that until now).

This is how you improve stamina easy -> Just pray for skill boost and your stamina will skyrocket.

Works very well trust me.

Alright, I took everyone's tips and now I'm about to clear dan 10, I'm a 9th danner, these tips helped allot, they really did