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Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare

Aqo wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

Pros are getting bored lately, so they DT Maps like Wahrheit
You don't need to be pro to play DT Wahrheit it's easy :v
Don't act stupid. Something that has only been FC'd by one person (and that person being Cookiezi) is not "easy".
You know that, and you do not need to start another discussion about that now.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny

kriers wrote:

well literally speaking, just playing DT Wahreit is something anyone can do. Just apply DT mod, start beatmap and well... good luck from there!
Forgot that no fail mod too
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

Zarerion wrote:

Aqo wrote:

You don't need to be pro to play DT Wahrheit it's easy :v
Don't act stupid. Something that has only been FC'd by one person (and that person being Cookiezi) is not "easy".
What I meant is that you're not bringing up a good example. There are harder maps that people play now. WahrheitDT is relatively easy compared to many other things "bored pros" play now.
FrzR
2,237 posts
Joined October 2012
FrzR
I actually Singletap with jumps. and Sometimes in triple notes. My fingers dont cope up well with streams. XD
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple

Zarerion wrote:

Which is why we should start to change our mapping as well. Pro's are getting bored lately, so they DT Maps like Wahrheit, they need new challenges.
Wait. Wait what? If Wahrheit DT is too boringly easy, then the next step would be DTing a map harder than Wahrheit.
Winshley
osu! Alumni
2,384 posts
Joined May 2011
Winshley

Purple wrote:

Zarerion wrote:

Which is why we should start to change our mapping as well. Pro's are getting bored lately, so they DT Maps like Wahrheit, they need new challenges.
Wait. Wait what? If Wahrheit DT is too boringly easy, then the next step would be DTing a map harder than Wahrheit.
Inb4 FREEDOM DIVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] with DT. (333.33 BPM streams~ /me whistles)
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple

Winshley wrote:

Inb4 FREEDOM DIVE [FOUR DIMENSIONS] with DT. (333.33 BPM streams~ /me whistles)
Tkiller singletapped [Another], so sounds reasonable to me!
Phantasyy
27 posts
Joined October 2012
Phantasyy
Alternating is useful if certain beatmaps have hitcircles under spinners and mainly for streaming
dMaxb
58 posts
Joined November 2012
dMaxb
I am only lvl85 noob noob but I hope this will help u cuz I always swap between single tapping and alternating
I dunno why I swap all the time but doing this made me see the pros and cons of both ways of playing
single tap gives me better accuracy in slower songs but I find it difficult to stream fast 3s when I need to go zxz zxz zxz and then into streaming zxzxzxz right away
alternating lets me survive longer on maps like 0108maps, but most of the time when I play slower songs I get rubbish accuracy using two fingers;;;
I know silvia has OP accuracy alternating, but I dunno... I just get bad accuracy whenever there is a bpm change in a song...T_T
Jordan
1,037 posts
Joined December 2010
Jordan

Osama wrote:

CXu wrote:

Nah, jumps are easier with singletapping, lol.

OPINIONS YEAH!
^nuff said
I tried both and single tap is REALLY easier to do crazy high bpm jumps accurately or even without missing.
Too much practicing and grinding to be able to alternate with anywhere near the same accuracy and consistency as in single tap. That is a fact, face it bitches.
nope lel
Thatgooey
165 posts
Joined November 2011
Thatgooey
I have chosen the route of single tapping over alternating, but I see some advantages of alternating. Single tapping over 285 bpm is really fking hard. That is about my physical max for single tap. But some maps, I can do the pen just fine, and they still don't seem too fast. Then I see someone DT it finally, and they are alternating. I think this will be my next challenge for learning new osu! skills. I don't think there is one "best" way to play the game, but certain situations call for certain playstyles I believe. I am convinced that after a year of playing this, you have to be somewhat flexible in your play. If I could give you advice, it would be to learn as many thing as you can and do whatever works best for the goal you are trying to accomplish.

Hope this helps!
lv100togepi
10 posts
Joined January 2013
lv100togepi
I've been trying to practice double tapping alternating past few weeks because I got into a habit of single tapping and it sucks..
but i'm getting nowhere :D Any tips?
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Tshemmp
1,405 posts
Joined June 2011
Tshemmp
Dou you really mean double tapping and not alternating?
lv100togepi
10 posts
Joined January 2013
lv100togepi
yeah alternating. thats what i mean
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik
An obvious advice I could give you: change your current singletap finger and play everything until it become as good as the main one. Then change back. Keep changing singletap fingers gradually reducing time for each finger till you can change them on every note.
Warning: constant alternating increases your singletap speed (therefore streaming speed as well) much slower than taping with one finger would.
dMaxb
58 posts
Joined November 2012
dMaxb
Practice single tap for both fingers
This way both your fingers become stronger and you will do better when alternating all time~_~
I get confused when I finish streaming with x button and need to hit a triplet starting with z button, so i practice single tap more often with middle finger.
this also helped me improve accuracy for alternating
lv100togepi
10 posts
Joined January 2013
lv100togepi
[haha thanks for the edit]
Your tips helped me already! I was literally surprised at the accuracy increase when I was alternating
gyorin
45 posts
Joined March 2012
gyorin

enik wrote:

Warning: constant alternating increases your singletap speed (therefore streaming speed as well) much slower than taping with one finger would.
Streaming involves two fingers, though. If only one of them can hit quickly, you're not going to be able to stream very well at all.

I actually noticed myself getting better at alternating as I got better at streaming lower BPMs.
Loves
446 posts
Joined December 2012
Loves
Or you could kust use SilviA's method, always alt on everything.
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik

Knickerus wrote:

enik wrote:

Warning: constant alternating increases your singletap speed (therefore streaming speed as well) much slower than taping with one finger would.
Streaming involves two fingers, though. If only one of them can hit quickly, you're not going to be able to stream very well at all.

I actually noticed myself getting better at alternating as I got better at streaming lower BPMs.
I think alternating just makes you too lazy for streams because you have to speed up x2 times both fingers. So you actually increase max fingers speed only on those streams but not regular 1/2 (as it would be in a case of singletapping), except if those 1/2 are very high bpm. And I'm pretty sure hitting quickly with one finger means you can hit almost as quickly with the other one since singletaping (not vibrating) 1/2 means you're able to stream 1/4 same bpm.
gyorin
45 posts
Joined March 2012
gyorin

enik wrote:

And I'm pretty sure hitting quickly with one finger means you can hit almost as quickly with the other one since singletaping (not vibrating) 1/2 means you're able to stream 1/4 same bpm.
Does that mean that you single tap using your whole hand/arm?

I usually keep my hand relatively stationary when playing. I may just be doing it wrong, though.
buny
3,435 posts
Joined March 2012
buny
you move differently to single tap as opposed to alternating

your 1/4 stream speed is no way equal to your 1/2 single tap speed, or even close
enik
276 posts
Joined December 2011
enik
At least it's fair for me (i suck at singletap tho) and cookiezi (he said big money 1/2 is around his limits, but he can stream some 180+ bpm insanes dt).
theowest
osu! Alumni
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theowest
this were discussed in this topic too. t/118324

who thinks I should merge.
buny
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buny
those 1/2s are for a longer period of time though, the 180 bpm dt insanes he does only contains burst of streams that a lot of people can do

also merge would be good since they're basically the same topic
theowest
osu! Alumni
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theowest
done~
Rokk
133 posts
Joined September 2012
Rokk
I single tap usually, but I obviously alternate for streams.
Jordan
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Joined December 2010
Jordan
I alternate on everything and I have no problem streaming high BPM, learn to alternate everything and you'll never get tired on 300+ bpm 1/2.
Senryakku
30 posts
Joined April 2011
Senryakku
i alternate all the time, but sometimes i use singletap if i see that alternating gives me bad accuracy.
VoidnOwO
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Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
I single tap everything, unless I really like a song that is too fast to single tap.
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Single tapping does not increase your alternating speed
Alternating does not increase your single tapping speed

You single tap with either your wrist, or even better, your arm.
You alternate with your fingers

Otherwise you're doing it wrong in a way where you never get really good at it.

Jordan wrote:

I alternate on everything and I have no problem streaming high BPM, learn to alternate everything and you'll never get tired on 300+ bpm 1/2.
True, unless you're really going to dedicate to single tapping, you should alternate "everything". I can single tap 300bpm 1/2's, but it gets tiring after 15 minutes, even after playing similar games for years. Alternating is always better.
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Kanye West
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Joined July 2011
Kanye West
What's wrong with single tapping with your finger? I don't think you can say that some way that you/the majority of players don't use is the wrong way to do something.

Unless you're actually trolling, in which case you can ignore everything I just said.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO

Kanye West wrote:

What's wrong with single tapping with your finger? I don't think you can say that some way that you/the majority of players don't use is the wrong way to do something.

Unless you're actually trolling, in which case you can ignore everything I just said.
Corrected to what I originally meant.
Kanye West
2,222 posts
Joined July 2011
Kanye West
So now you're saying it's impossible to get good at finger singletapping

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~makes~perfect~sense~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
You can be good even if you single tap with a finger, but you'll never compare against people who practice as much as you, but use better methods. Honestly, do you think track pad players can ever be better than tablet players?

Kanye West wrote:

Unless you're actually trolling, in which case you can ignore everything I just said.
MMzz
Elite Mapper
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Joined June 2009
MMzz

BRBP wrote:

Honestly, do you think track pad players can ever be better than tablet players?
Sure!
When trackpads catch up to tablets in quality. (Just wait a few years)

EDIT: To stay on topic.

I alternate, but sometimes tap twice on one finger. (Maybe my hand is dumb.) It's comfortable for me and after years of plays guitar/bass/rhythm games my fingers are already pretty durable. I can stream at about 210-220 when warmed up, a little bit faster when the streams are only in short burst. Idk if that is even a good speed for osu! play but w/e.
Almost
2,154 posts
Joined May 2012
Almost

BRBP wrote:

You can be good even if you single tap with a finger, but you'll never compare against people who practice as much as you, but use better methods.
If you can't learn to single tap fast with your finger quickly doesn't mean it goes the same for everybody. I find single tapping with the arm and wrist very tiring and I can actually single tap faster using my finger rather than my arm/wrist.
gyorin
45 posts
Joined March 2012
gyorin

enquire wrote:

I find single tapping with the arm and wrist very tiring and I can actually single tap faster using my finger rather than my arm/wrist.
Nope.

BRBP says you can't do that. You're obviously just getting your second wind when you switch over.
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VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
There's something wrong with your quote, knick...

Enquire, you can of course single tap faster with your finger, but that's just lack of practice. Doesn't really matter if you aren't ever going to even try to single tap something like mendes, but after that "finger players" are out of discussion.

enquire wrote:

If you can't learn to single tap fast with your finger quickly
You replied "150 (very inaccurately)" to my thread about how fast you can single tap...
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silmarilen
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silmarilen
why would you want to singletap mendes anyway?
VoidnOwO
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VoidnOwO

silmarilen wrote:

why would you want to singletap mendes anyway?
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