still more interesting than this thread
Still pretty interestingawp wrote:
Brave New World was kinda boring for the first 80% or so
I beg to differ, as the entertainment to time ratio is significantly lower.silmarilen wrote:
still more interesting than this thread
But BNW was actually interesting, especially for a book of its age. Conditioning, mass breeding, and drugs, man. Besides, I think it has more truth in it than 1984, although 1984 was right on the dot about what would happen to language more than BNW.awp wrote:
I beg to differ, as the entertainment to time ratio is significantly lower.silmarilen wrote:
still more interesting than this thread
BNW takes up a lot more time than this thread does
If you're going that route then I could make a convincing argument that at least 99% of Americans should be stoned to death for various reasons. Hell, at least 99% of anybody who lives in a developed country for that matter.DaddyCoolVipper wrote:
Honestly, I think that you can't say Christianity isn't homophobic. If you only believe the "core beliefs" of the Bible, then that means you're just cherry-picking the parts that make sense, which to me just seems ridiculous. IMO, if you're a "Christian", you should believe all of the Bible since you believe is "God's word". If you don't think it's "God's word", then why do you trust the New Testament?
have you ever noticed America's the same way when it comes to the Founding Fathers?Kanye West wrote:
@Ekaru: which is why I made the argument that people should just use their common sense rather than some book written like a million years ago.
Exactly, societies evolve, and laws and morals should also evolve. Following old religious texts is like electing George Washington for the presidency in 2016 or making Genghis Khan a modern-day military generalawp wrote:
have you ever noticed America's the same way when it comes to the Founding Fathers?Kanye West wrote:
@Ekaru: which is why I made the argument that people should just use their common sense rather than some book written like a million years ago.
A lot of them are like "this country is going to hell, it isn't what the founding fathers would have wanted"
do you honestly believe people who lived hundreds of years ago could accurately perceive and account for the fucking future? I'm sorry but it's 2013 I wouldn't recommend taking advice from someone who was born in the 1800s or whatever they don't even know what a fucking computer is because they didn't exist back then, you short-sighted fuck
Well, according to the bible Jesus himself didn't feel homosexuality was a topic worth addressing two thousand years ago, so that is one old example we should follow.Kanye West wrote:
Principles change too (slavery etc.). Obviously not everything changes (theft, murder), but it would be pretty stupid to say that we should follow the same ethics that we did hundreds of years ago.
I feel everyone has the right to decide who they love. Love is still one of those things we can't quite explain and I don't think we ever will be. Religious groups should drop the subject as honestly, what impact does it have on them? I'm not religious nor homosexual, but I feel like everyone should be treated as an equal still religious/homosexual or not. I'm very happy with my current girl friend, so why should anyone be bothered by people just doing what people do naturally. Love.Ekaru wrote:
Well, according to the bible Jesus himself didn't feel homosexuality was a topic worth addressing two thousand years ago, so that is one old example we should follow.Kanye West wrote:
Principles change too (slavery etc.). Obviously not everything changes (theft, murder), but it would be pretty stupid to say that we should follow the same ethics that we did hundreds of years ago.
It's not the knowledge that changes, it what is taught and told. We all know right from wrong still, but the decision to apply it or not is still up to the individual.mm201 wrote:
Moral truths don't change. Human knowledge does.
Jesus: "Love everybody, even those who you see as sinners."Potato wrote:
I feel everyone has the right to decide who they love. Love is still one of those things we can't quite explain and I don't think we ever will be. Religious groups should drop the subject as honestly, what impact does it have on them? I'm not religious nor homosexual, but I feel like everyone should be treated as an equal still religious/homosexual or not. I'm very happy with my current girl friend, so why should anyone be bothered by people just doing what people do naturally. Love.
does that accommodate for dire situationsEkaru wrote:
Jesus: "Love everybody, even those who you see as sinners."
Keywords: HomosexualityPotato wrote:
I feel everyone has the right to decide who they love. Love is still one of those things we can't quite explain and I don't think we ever will be. Religious groups should drop the subject as honestly, what impact does it have on them? I'm not religious nor homosexual, but I feel like everyone should be treated as an equal still religious/homosexual or not. I'm very happy with my current girl friend, so why should anyone be bothered by people just doing what people do naturally. Love.
He says you should turn the other cheek, but he'd forgive you if you beat the shit out of them so I'd go with beating the shit out of them.awp wrote:
does that accommodate for dire situationsEkaru wrote:
Jesus: "Love everybody, even those who you see as sinners."
like if someone starts beating me to death I'm probably not going to respond with unconditional love and I wouldn't expect you to, either
Well Mother Theresa responded to an assailant using unconditional love. She got raped though. Plus she's a saint--even though she would've still been allowed self-defense.awp wrote:
does that accommodate for dire situationsEkaru wrote:
Jesus: "Love everybody, even those who you see as sinners."
like if someone starts beating me to death I'm probably not going to respond with unconditional love and I wouldn't expect you to, either
It's not the people who follow the Bible who I dislike, it's those who take the teaching of the Bible and twist it, trying to make up their own truths, feeding off the power and royalty that Jesus has provided to the religion and trying to make them seem righteous, when really when we look at it all, all humans are equal, no matter the social status or what we've done with the world. We're all brought into this world the same way and we all eventually leave it like it or not. All humans live and die, the two things that are the most important to life. I think that means we're all equal.Ekaru wrote:
Jesus: "Love everybody, even those who you see as sinners."Potato wrote:
I feel everyone has the right to decide who they love. Love is still one of those things we can't quite explain and I don't think we ever will be. Religious groups should drop the subject as honestly, what impact does it have on them? I'm not religious nor homosexual, but I feel like everyone should be treated as an equal still religious/homosexual or not. I'm very happy with my current girl friend, so why should anyone be bothered by people just doing what people do naturally. Love.
Extremists: "LET'S IGNORE WHAT JESUS SAID!"
That's not even the point I'm making and you can't argue that Christianity doesn't view it as a sin. Whether it is one or not universally is another matter. My point is that it isn't an interchangeable term with love, that is all.Ekaru wrote:
He says you should turn the other cheek, but he'd forgive you if you beat the shit out of them so I'd go with beating the shit out of them.awp wrote:
does that accommodate for dire situations
like if someone starts beating me to death I'm probably not going to respond with unconditional love and I wouldn't expect you to, either
@ Brian OA: Being sexually attracted to someone of the same sex is not a sin. The debate is about whether or not sticking your penis in someone's anus is a sin, and it can be argued both ways.
I just said that it can be argued the other way. And it can.Brian OA wrote:
you can't argue that Christianity doesn't view it as a sin.
Having an interesting, reasonable debate with logical arguments would cause OT to explode.Brian OA wrote:
But if you say it's pointless then we'd have to stop
It was just getting interesting
This is a really annoying attitude of some Christian denominations, "I don't need to lead a good life since I'll be forgiven anyway." lolno.Ekaru wrote:
EDIT: It's a pointless debate, though, since even if [whatever] is a sin it is forgiven.