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All hail Tom69, our new osu! overlord

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thelewa
Well since he's now #2 worldwide I figured he deserved his own thread.

Is Tom69 the new Cookiezi? No, since he himself said that he won't try to beat Cookiezi.

Is he the best player right now? Maybe.




If you don't feel like talking about Tom69, you can always talk about me. I'm awesome.
Liut
wtf yesterday when i checked he was 8 ò.ò
Mianki
Heil!
Topic Starter
thelewa

Liutprando wrote:

wtf yesterday when i checked he was 8 ò.ò
He's pretty efficient.
Seph
all hail tom
JappyBabes
master race
Topic Starter
thelewa
It must be those pesky Aryan genes powering up his osu! skills
CaCtus112
Tom <3
Cyclohexane
lewa you're awesome
Aqo


he's gonna run out of maps at this rate
Gon
howtoplay
Topic Starter
thelewa
So now that Tom69 has become this good, does anyone have any suggestions on games that we should start playing instead of osu!?

So because Tom69 is so good, does anyone have any suggestions on games that we should start playing instead of osu!? (By "we" I mean everyone who isn't Tom69.)
silmarilen
hes been this good for a while, he just didnt farm the pp
Topic Starter
thelewa
Ok I fixed my post, you pansy
silmarilen
thank you, i was very upset because your post might have been misleading to people who didnt know tom yet.
mrk_old
got Cookiezi's speed and is even far more accurate than him, but he is far away from cookiezi's movement.
Aqo

thelewa wrote:

So because Tom69 is so good, does anyone have any suggestions on games that we should start playing instead of osu!? (By "we" I mean everyone who isn't Tom69.)
You can always pick up fighting games

SPOILER
and then train and practice for hours every day, learning new techniques, improving your reaction time and execution, learning advanced patterns and followups, mastering impossible speed of execution with insane accuracy, learning to read people's reactions before they even come up with them themselves; until eventually 2-3 years later you're way better than you ever imagined you'd be when you just started - and then, you notice/finally-realize what skill level the top players are able to play on, and then feel like you're a complete nobody that knows nothing because they'll still be infinitely better than you in every possible way.

and they'll also all be asians except for like 1-2 guys

oh well. video games.
Kanye West
Good, now he just has to Hidden+HardRock Scarlet Rose to beat White Wolf
Topic Starter
thelewa

Aqo wrote:

thelewa wrote:

So because Tom69 is so good, does anyone have any suggestions on games that we should start playing instead of osu!? (By "we" I mean everyone who isn't Tom69.)
You can always pick up fighting games

SPOILER
and then train and practice for hours every day, learning new techniques, improving your reaction time and execution, learning advanced patterns and followups, mastering impossible speed of execution with insane accuracy, learning to read people's reactions before they even come up with them themselves; until eventually 2-3 years later you're way better than you ever imagined you'd be when you just started - and then, you notice/finally-realize what skill level the top players are able to play on, and then feel like you're a complete nobody that knows nothing because they'll still be infinitely better than you in every possible way.

and they'll also all be asians except for like 1-2 guys

oh well. video games.
My big brother is doing that, it seems kinda boring.

I wonder what games all the people who quit osu! started playing.
Mirage
I'm playing XCOM :(
Andrea
Good job, Tom.
Milkshake
you both are awesome ): !
Topic Starter
thelewa

Maddy wrote:

I'm playing XCOM :(
Oh yeah XCOM seems pretty awesome, people say I could simulate Muv-Luv with it.
ReVeNg3r
who plays for being #1(being Cookiezi or wtf) ,quit
who just plays for fun ,why should quit

and Tom69 is in top5 atm ,but im sure he is not #1 YET
Mirage

thelewa wrote:

Maddy wrote:

I'm playing XCOM :(
Oh yeah XCOM seems pretty awesome, people say I could simulate Muv-Luv with it.
What the actual fuck.
Topic Starter
thelewa
Whoops that's probably the wrong game

actually it is the right game, the older X-COM games are very similar to Muv-Luv: Alternative in their scenarios.
enik
Omg Tom69 is good.
Wishy
No matter what you play there will always be some Asians that are and will be better than you can ever be.

We should try this game called suicide.
Topic Starter
thelewa
But Tom69 is not an Asian, so what you just said makes no sense.

Unless you're talking about Cookiezi, but that's just one guy who has better aim and worse streaming.
Tanzklaue

thelewa wrote:

But Tom69 is not an Asian, so what you just said makes no sense.

Unless you're talking about Cookiezi, but that's just one guy who has better aim and worse streaming.
and cookiezi has like endless stamina. it's actually inhuman.
Cyclohexane
You should try this game called mapping, it's pretty cool if you play by the rules
Wishy
You still got rrtyui who can FC Airman and Pluto so yeah. Asians already won the game they've moved to new games to dominate, make everyone commit suicide by showing them how bad they are compared to them, and quit.

Best thing we can do is play something KR/CN/JP people don't like.
Topic Starter
thelewa

Tanzklaue wrote:

thelewa wrote:

But Tom69 is not an Asian, so what you just said makes no sense.

Unless you're talking about Cookiezi, but that's just one guy who has better aim and worse streaming.
and cookiezi has like endless stamina. it's actually inhuman.
And Tom69 doesn't have endless stamina?

Eiji Kuinbii, anyone?

Have you seen his video of Freedom Dive, he doesn't get tired at the streams at all, I'd say his and Cookiezi's stamina are the same. Actually Tom69 might have better stamina by now.

Wishy22 wrote:

You still got rrtyui who can FC Airman and Pluto so yeah. Asians already won the game they've moved to new games to dominate, make everyone commit suicide by showing them how bad they are compared to them, and quit.

Best thing we can do is play something KR/CN/JP people don't like.
Tom69 is better at streams and accuracy than rrtyui. rrtyui only has better aim.

Also wow Wishy22 you really like putting yourself down. Do you believe in the master race bullshit too, if you believe that Asians are somehow genetically better at games than other races?
Wishy
Pylons.

Having a Tom Vs. Cookiezi discussion is pointless. Only 2 things you can say for sure are:

1- Cookiezi's aim was way too good.

2- Tom tapping technique gives him a big advantage@streaming.

You can the discuss about every record out there but remember you should take into account how many plays each score took, and we can't get that data probably.
silmarilen
still have to see tom get 1600 combo on FD
shame he doesnt like the map
Cyclohexane
Play Rock Band then I guess, the game sucks yeah but you're not gonna get asians on that thing
Wishy

Mr Color wrote:

Play Rock Band then I guess, the game sucks yeah but you're not gonna get asians on that thing
Sucks to play that stuff since best players = real musicians. :(
Topic Starter
thelewa

Wishy22 wrote:

Pylons.

Having a Tom Vs. Cookiezi discussion is pointless. Only 2 things you can say for sure are:

1- Cookiezi's aim was way too good.

2- Tom tapping technique gives him a big advantage@streaming.

You can the discuss about every record out there but remember you should take into account how many plays each score took, and we can't get that data probably.
Eiji Kuinbii wasn't tapping though. Cookiezi's "inhuman" stamina couldn't handle that and Tom got 99% acc on it.
Wishy
I still wonder what accuracy Cookiezi could have achieved. He was #1 with that accuracy so no wonder he didn't try to improve it. Dunno if he actually got tired by playing that, but for instance I don't really get tired and my problem is not going too fast or too slow, and of course my stamina is not even close to Cookiezi's, so I guess he could do way better if he wanted to. Dunno if he could beat Tom's acc, I bet he could if he tried. Which is why we can't really compare them, many of his scores are damn old and he was beaten after he stopped playing, so we can't really know if he could've done better.

And another thing you can say for sure:

3- Cookiezi could sight-read AR 11.
Aqo

Wishy22 wrote:

No matter what you play there will always be some Asians that are and will be better than you can ever be.

We should try this game called suicide.
Asians have a long tradition of suicide aka harakiri, they're better than you at even that.
Purple
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/75831&m=0


Mendes DT'd. Crazy.
But rrtyui is more cookiezi like.
Topic Starter
thelewa
Anyway I said in the first post that Tom69 will never become Cookiezi, because he doesn't want to become Cookiezi. So this discussion is pointless.
Wishy
Best player is, without doubt, thelewa. All rest are wannabes, fags and gays.
Tom69_old

Wishy22 wrote:

Best player is, without doubt, thelewa. All rest are wannabes, fags and gays.
Aqo
The only thing stopping Tom from surpassing cookiezi is reading inconsistent distance spacings. If he started playing a bunch of (shitty) old maps he'd get better at that and then FC Airman/Pluto/etc and nobody would be able to say anything anymore.

gogo Tom ~ play for fun ~ FC TheBB random play ~
enik

Aqo wrote:

SPOILER
and then train and practice for hours every day, learning new techniques, improving your reaction time and execution, learning advanced patterns and followups, mastering impossible speed of execution with insane accuracy, learning to read people's reactions before they even come up with them themselves; until eventually 2-3 years later you're way better than you ever imagined you'd be when you just started - and then, you notice/finally-realize what skill level the top players are able to play on, and then feel like you're a complete nobody that knows nothing because they'll still be infinitely better than you in every possible way.

and they'll also all be asians except for like 1-2 guys

oh well. video games.
Btw Tom69 beat a lot more experienced players than he is.
Milkshake

Tom69 wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

Best player is, without doubt, thelewa. All rest are wannabes, fags and gays.
Tom69_old

Aqo wrote:

The only thing stopping Tom from surpassing cookiezi is reading inconsistent distance spacings. If he started playing a bunch of shitty old maps he'd get better at that and then FC Airman/Pluto/etc and nobody would be able to say anything anymore.
Well... the main reason my aim "sucks" at maps like pluto is that I don't like playing nomod if I can play HR.
Got over 400 combo on pluto with HD HR and over 500 combo on airman with HD HR... so I guess it's quite okay. ^^"

Still, rrtyui's aim is probably better. But keep in mind that he needs millions of tries for his crazy FCs like airman. Even http://osu.ppy.sh/b/101178 took him hours while I did my record within ~10 tries. :p


Can't touch thelewa after all. :<
Wishy
Getting into fighting games competitive scene is kind of impossible right now. Most top players have been playing the same game for like... a decade? Best players in fighting games have been pretty much the same guys...

And yeah rrtyui pretty much drills maps way too much, he doesn't get insane records in just a few plays like you or Cookiezi did.
Aqo

Wishy22 wrote:

Getting into fighting games competitive scene is kind of impossible right now. Most top players have been playing the same game for like... a decade? Best players in fighting games have been pretty much the same guys...
You can get into the scene, you just need to have strong mentality and be ready to accept the fact that about 2000 of your first matches will all be losses. It's kinda like if you could only score on maps in osu by winning #1 on a multiplayer room, and the only people online every day to play with were tom, lewa and rrtyui. have fun not getting any scores at all for ~some time~
Once you actually start taking wins against the experienced players after all of that losing it really pays off and feels great. But it's a hard road to get there.
OnosakiHito
Naja, du bist gespächiger als Cookiezi, das muss man dir lassen. Hehe
silmarilen

Wishy22 wrote:

I still wonder what accuracy Cookiezi could have achieved. He was #1 with that accuracy so no wonder he didn't try to improve it. Dunno if he actually got tired by playing that, but for instance I don't really get tired and my problem is not going too fast or too slow, and of course my stamina is not even close to Cookiezi's, so I guess he could do way better if he wanted to. Dunno if he could beat Tom's acc, I bet he could if he tried. Which is why we can't really compare them, many of his scores are damn old and he was beaten after he stopped playing, so we can't really know if he could've done better.

And another thing you can say for sure:

3- Cookiezi could sight-read AR 11.
cookiezi has 1 AR11 score afaik and i heard he needed tons of trys for that
God_old_1

silmarilen wrote:

cookiezi has 1 AR11 score afaik and i heard he needed tons of trys for that
He is probably talking about ar9+dt. But about hr+dt, i spectated him playing some happy girl map with it and it took him just few tries. Then he improved his score with dt+hd, i think, because i cant find it anymore.
Topic Starter
thelewa

enik wrote:

Aqo wrote:

SPOILER
and then train and practice for hours every day, learning new techniques, improving your reaction time and execution, learning advanced patterns and followups, mastering impossible speed of execution with insane accuracy, learning to read people's reactions before they even come up with them themselves; until eventually 2-3 years later you're way better than you ever imagined you'd be when you just started - and then, you notice/finally-realize what skill level the top players are able to play on, and then feel like you're a complete nobody that knows nothing because they'll still be infinitely better than you in every possible way.

and they'll also all be asians except for like 1-2 guys

oh well. video games.
Btw Tom69 beat a lot more experienced players than he is.
That's the cool thing about Tom69. He has the least experience out of all the current "pro" players, and he's still among the very best.
ReVeNg3r
Cookiezi can play even "AR12" ,i wonder who else
its not just about some tops..

EDIT: he really improved in streaming , probably becasue playing all day
Wishy

Aqo wrote:

Wishy22 wrote:

Getting into fighting games competitive scene is kind of impossible right now. Most top players have been playing the same game for like... a decade? Best players in fighting games have been pretty much the same guys...
You can get into the scene, you just need to have strong mentality and be ready to accept the fact that about 2000 of your first matches will all be losses. It's kinda like if you could only score on maps in osu by winning #1 on a multiplayer room, and the only people online every day to play with were tom, lewa and rrtyui. have fun not getting any scores at all for ~some time~
Once you actually start taking wins against the experienced players after all of that losing it really pays off and feels great. But it's a hard road to get there.
It's not like that, and I know people who play fighting games a lot, you're just many years behind and you will never be able to make up for that. There may be some particular cases of people with great reflexes that make it there, but top players have always been the same, and just sometimes some random guy makes it to EVO top 16.

You can "always" make it actually, if you spend 18 hours a day for like 3 years maybe. And sometimes you hit your top skill and you're still no good. Some people is just better at some stuff.
Pacemaker

Wishy22 wrote:

And sometimes you hit your top skill and you're still no good.
Um, excuse me, it's true that you can get to a point where you can say that you've reached the climax of your skill, but that doesn't mean there is a wall that will prevent you from getting any better. Lol
Topic Starter
thelewa
Oh don't mind him, he just likes to make excuses for himself. Even if he is acting like a total douche and putting other people down in the process.
enik
Hey, you always can achieve any heights you wish, beat all the top players and be the number one in any kind of games. No matter how much you behind right now or what's your eye shape. It's all about priorities. If you put your goal above school, job, everything in your life and if you're able to stick to your goal no matter what then some day you'll be the best. It just takes a lot of effort and hard work but if you play casual/for fun what do you expect?
VelperK
he sucks at ctb kthxnbai

derp. he's a cool guy and player. heil
Kanye West
Still want to see him FC Scarlet Rose with HD+HR
JAKACHAN

thelewa wrote:

But Tom69 is not an Asian, so what you just said makes no sense.

Unless you're talking about Cookiezi, but that's just one guy who has better aim and worse streaming.
Tom is a great player don't get me wrong, but he is just now clearing songs that Cookiezi was able to stream without tapping 1+ years ago.
ztrot
omg non ASIAN!!!! the world is ending no i joke good job tom
Icyteru
I took this screenclip 2 weeks ago.

Topic Starter
thelewa

JAKANYAN wrote:

thelewa wrote:

But Tom69 is not an Asian, so what you just said makes no sense.

Unless you're talking about Cookiezi, but that's just one guy who has better aim and worse streaming.
Tom is a great player don't get me wrong, but he is just now clearing songs that Cookiezi was able to stream without tapping 1+ years ago.
Tom is better at streams even without tapping. I think you're misunderstanding something about his tapping. Tom taps >250bpm long streams. Everything that Cookiezi can stream, Tom can without tapping too.
fartownik
It's funny how this map gave him the best pp from all of his scores.
Soly
Tom is freaking incredible don't get me wrong and how good he got in such a short amount of time also boggles my mind (according to his profile arrival date, a year or so).... but cookiezi, try to think back and remember all the records he set... there is still a massive gap imo.
darkmiz

fartownik wrote:

It's funny how this map gave him the best pp from all of his scores.
I think it's because he beat Sette on that map who was #2 in pp.

All Tom69 now has to do is take a few #1s from White Wolf to reach the top.
Darksonic
Nope

"(64736 of 451327 plays)"

451k plays, that's why.
Tom69_old

[AirCoN] wrote:

I took this screenclip 2 weeks ago.


Addiction too strong. Gah. Hope I manage to actually quit soon. :>
JAKACHAN

thelewa wrote:

Tom is better at streams even without tapping. I think you're misunderstanding something about his tapping. Tom taps >250bpm long streams. Everything that Cookiezi can stream, Tom can without tapping too.
Freedom Dive 1600 combo. Also, Cookiezi could stream 250+ bpm keyboard only so you just proved yourself wrong by saying that.

PS: Comparing 2 players over a half a year apart is pretty legit.
MillhioreF
Cookiezi can stream 240 BPM pretty consistently... when he quit though the only ranked/approved map with more than that was Mad Machine which he didn't like, so anything above that is pretty much guesswork (Kyou-kun said he could stream 280-290, but there's no liveplays or replays for proof of that)
MMzz
Whyoesitmatter,cookieziquitsotomisbetterbyefault

yeah.
Tom69_old

JAKANYAN wrote:

thelewa wrote:

Tom is better at streams even without tapping. I think you're misunderstanding something about his tapping. Tom taps >250bpm long streams. Everything that Cookiezi can stream, Tom can without tapping too.
Freedom Dive 1600 combo. Also, Cookiezi could stream 250+ bpm keyboard only so you just proved yourself wrong by saying that.

PS: Comparing 2 players over a half a year apart is pretty legit.

Well, the issue with freedom dive is following the streams @ AR 9, not streaming itself, at least for me. With HD HR I managed to score an 800 combo once... but with AR9 it's just full of random misses.

Also Cookiezi couldn't keep 250 bpm for very long.... keep in mind that I did night of fire nearly completely without tapping. (Or see daisuke if you want a direct comparison between a Cookiezi score and my one. Dunno how old his record on the map is though. :>)
MillhioreF

Tom69 wrote:

Well, the issue with freedom dive is following the streams @ AR 9, not streaming itself, at least for me.
It must suck to be such a high-level player that even AR9 is too slow... I can follow those streams at AR4!
JAKACHAN
Daisuke was a year old and I still stand on the fact that comparing 2 players that are over half a year apart is kind of pointless. Tom is most likely the best player at the moment I do not doubt that at all.
Aqo
If AR9 is the problem start playing EasyMod+HD until you become the AR master and then DC 4D like nothing D:
Wishy

enik wrote:

Hey, you always can achieve any heights you wish, beat all the top players and be the number one in any kind of games. No matter how much you behind right now or what's your eye shape. It's all about priorities. If you put your goal above school, job, everything in your life and if you're able to stick to your goal no matter what then some day you'll be the best. It just takes a lot of effort and hard work but if you play casual/for fun what do you expect?
That's why top players in every highly competitive game have always been the same and just really a few have "recently" appeared on the scene, even while they are like "low tier" into the top tier. You can't use osu! as example since this game is not competitive at all. No one has played this game consistently for 3/4 years (meaning an avarage/minimum of 8 hours a day). When you talk about HIGHLY competitive games, you're talking about getting better than someone that has played that very same game for MANY years, HIGH amounts of time every day (8 or more) and WILL KEEP playing that amounts of time until he quits.

Then you got people who is just better at that which can dedicate themselves to that and reach top tiers in just a few years, but those cases are really a few and usually if you make it into the best players of some highly competitive shit, it's because some of those pros just stopped playing. You can see how this happens at almost every game, maybe on games where team play is very important you may see some changes, but then again, you can look at how DotA was for MANY YEARS, completely two sided and t hen the top... 8 didn't really suffer much changes anyways (most of them happening cause top teams crossed paths on early games).

On games like osu! you will always be able to be the best if you really get into it cause nobody gives a shit about it, and I yet have to know any player that really plays enormous amounts of times every day for years w/o quitting every month.
winber1

Wishy22 wrote:

On games like osu! you will always be able to be the best if you really get into it
no
Tanzklaue
wishy, you should stop posting things that are only assumptions and claims like they are facts.
Tom69_old

fartownik wrote:

It's funny how this map gave him the best pp from all of his scores.
It is, without a doubt, the most astonishing play I did in my entire osu! career.
Wishy

Tanzklaue wrote:

wishy, you should stop posting things that are only assumptions and claims like they are facts.
They are facts actually, it's not like you can't go and see for yourself how the best players on every highly competitive game have been pretty much the same, except for some that quit or just stop caring that much about the game since they have other things to do.
winber1

Tom69 wrote:

fartownik wrote:

It's funny how this map gave him the best pp from all of his scores.
It is, without a doubt, the most astonishing play I did in my entire osu! career.


OH SHI-
Wishy
Hacker, I mean Flashlight attack!
Aqo
You gotta hand it to that guy, FLHD is really hard to play, and FLHDHR is ridiculously difficult to FC with on a 3 minute map
silmarilen
flhd isnt all that hard, since fl is already mostly memorizing, adding hd doesnt really add much difficulty.
Aqo

silmarilen wrote:

flhd isnt all that hard, since fl is already mostly memorizing, adding hd doesnt really add much difficulty.
did you try playing it?
the level of memorization you need for FLHD is way higher than just FL, especially on spaced streams. dunno if that map has any tho
Valentiino
Spaced streams on a hard map?
winber1
FL HD is a shit ton harder than FL on the beginning tries. After like 100 tries, FL HD is probably around the same difficulty as FL.

So both of you are kinda correct.
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