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[Proposal - Song Content Rules]

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Mayuzumi Sayaka
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Joined January 2015
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
RC wrote:
With a wide variety of music available, most tracks will be fine for use in osu!, providing that they are not:

Intensely explicit, suggestive, or otherwise extremely confrontational in regards to shocking, obscene or highly sexual content
Glorifying, promoting or otherwise encouraging drug abuse, suicide, murder, or self-harm
Promoting racial tension or division
Extremely and unbearably loud or excessively clipped
Heavily political

My proposal on this is to let mappers censor the title of the song/artist name at the very least
As an example: https://osu.ppy.sh/beatmapsets/1079708#taiko/2258936
I can't rank this song since no such rule between the lines of being allowed to censor the title/artist, since it is thought that this is offensive.
xenal
537 posts
Joined August 2017
xenal
Metadata censoring goes against what metadata is supposed to do. You can't really just map something and say "it's a song from someone" but just never say who. It's is also meant to allow searching, but with a censored metadata this becomes difficult. I see this proposal as regression.

This rule is also not part of the RC, but the beatmap submission rules, which, unlike RC, are supposed to applies to all submitted maps, not just ranked. However, we have inconsistency of the rule.
"Any beatmap containing a disallowed track will be removed from the website."
"The GMT will only disqualify beatmaps in cases where they contain inappropriate content." Suggesting only disqualification now allowed.
"it was decided that the song is currently unrankable." (How can it be "currently"? Unlike mapping, you can't change a title)

Imo if a song is accepted to be submitted, it's also rankable, otherwise, remove it from the website. In other words Song content rules is fine as it is and should be absolute. If gmt decide it is explicit, they have the final word so apply what is written in the rule: delete.
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
The map had a consensus vote, and a lot of bns and nats said it'd be much better off if the title was censored, however there aren't such rules/guidelines that can allow such changes
I believe doing this change can also allow some of the more ,,controversial'' song titles be submitted/ranked and such therefore making more song viable for Osu!, and isn't that a goal we are trying to meet?
Perhaps it can be allowed that only titles/part of the titles be censored and provide the full title uncensored in description or something as such
clayton
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Joined November 2013
clayton
if you have to censor it, then it's clearly not allowed. moving it to the description/tags/etc does not solve any problems, and creates new ones as xenal mentioned

I believe doing this change can also allow some of the more ,,controversial'' song titles be submitted/ranked and such therefore making more song viable for Osu!, and isn't that a goal we are trying to meet?


not sure where you got that idea from. the newest set of rules (Song Content Rules) try to make clear what's not allowed on the site; the whole point was to draw a line between what's allowed and what's not. IIRC Song Content Rules was created as a response to some maps stepping too far over that line, so it's actually the opposite of what you suggest

@xenal: that warning is written so strictly just to scare people away from trying it, I think. while the GMT do have the authority to delete maps for this reason, there's no way that they could realistically check every submitted map, and I'd bet most of them prefer to leave the maps alone if they don't seem to be causing any harm. it's inconsistent in wording, sure, but the handling is reasonable imo
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
Clearly it is allowed if it still on the site even after I've brought it multiple times to gmts, anyway, either reinforce the rule, or make it clearer, or add the option of allowing censorship, there really isn't any reason as to why you shouldn't be able to rank a song cause some people don't like it.
And again, if a person is curious what the censored title is, check the map's description to see it.
xenal
537 posts
Joined August 2017
xenal

Mayuzumi Sayaka wrote:

Clearly it is allowed if it still on the site

Clayton explaination should have made it clear: in this case gmt aren't removing it because they don't judge it needed, simply applying what is said in the second quote of my post.

Mayuzumi Sayaka wrote:

there really isn't any reason as to why you shouldn't be able to rank a song cause some people don't like it.

As said by clayton once again, there is a line after which songs aren't allowed anymore. So yes, there are songs that are considered invalid to be in the game in the first place. Nothing can be done, start mapping something else.

@clayton is this twitter or what? Also, I am aware of gmt not checking all submitted map, same with old qat stopped
checking all maps and only act on reports. Btw, improvement: you use dots at the end of sentences. Still no caps at the begenning but it's a step forward.
clayton
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Joined November 2013
clayton
i come to the forums to shitpost, not to use proper grammar =(
Mayuzumi Sayaka
226 posts
Joined January 2015
Topic Starter
Mayuzumi Sayaka
It's really unfair that there are songs that can't be ranked cause of TITLES, lyrics, understandable, titles, not really, with lyrics there are usually work arounds like instrumental onlys or if there arent, you removing them yourself.
But you can't do anything to titles/artist names, there needs to be a separate rule about that
Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
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Joined April 2012
Noffy
If it's really the metadata itself being the sole factor as to whether a song can be ranked or not, personally I'd think some extent of censoring it could be acceptable. Will try to get opinions from additional relevant people on this topic.
clayton
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Joined November 2013
clayton
fwiw none of this is part of the RC at all and you'd have to ask an admin to change it
honne
155 posts
Joined February 2014
honne
Pretty sure osu! tries it's best to be all ages. Even then that's a pretty weird subject considering it's something you shouldn't have to worry about normally. The word itself isn't taken lightly so I this is something you'd rather discuss with the artist or for some new ruling with metadata to be made since the actual song itself isn't suggestive.
Vulkin
1,621 posts
Joined September 2014
Vulkin
You shouldn't really force the artist to come up with a title just because their song is used on a game, which doesn't even have their official permission, that should be from the mapper's responsability shouldn't it? This would aid the mapper on doing that by themselves.

The only thing that it might not work is when the song is part of a series, and the title needs to be the same. A workaround for this would be to rename all the songs of the series with their censored counterparts.
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Noffy
Nomination Assessment Team
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Joined April 2012
Noffy
The conversation with this basically went as such:
This could risk users uploading maps with censored titles, that could be /np'd in chat but still clear from context what the censor is supposed to say. This would allow chat users to go around chat filters and try to claim they didn't do anything wrong with it, even if the context says otherwise. Further censoring to avoid this issue would obfuscate the metadata and make the point of metadata being accurate in the first point moot. As it could be abused, censoring metadata won't be allowed at this time.
Mayuzumi Sayaka
226 posts
Joined January 2015
Topic Starter
Mayuzumi Sayaka
Also since we're on this topic, may I get permission to rank Paedophilic Legacy or appeal the decision of it being too offensive for ranked?
Mayuzumi Sayaka
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Joined January 2015
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Mayuzumi Sayaka
Reopening this, with the new explicit tag, this should be allowed to be ranked, no?
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