- Avoid sliderend stacking at least in the future because it's confusing and doesn't play well on Hidden and it's ugly and stuff.
00:11:718 (3,4,5) - Overlap.
00:20:468 (1) - Goes into the HP bar too much.
00:25:468 (1,2) - Poor blanket.
00:27:968 (1,2) - Poor blanket.
00:30:468 (1) - Too close to the edge of the screen.
00:35:468 (1,2) - Poor blanket.
00:43:593 (1,2,3,4,1) - Overlaps.
00:54:843 (4,1) - Overlap.
01:06:093 (2,3,4,5) - Too close.
02:05:468 (1,2,3) - Too close.
02:39:843 (4,1) - Overlap.
02:42:968 (3,4,5) - Overlap.
02:51:093 (2,3,4,5) - Too close.
- I am so nazi.

20:27 <Katsuri> : Hello D33d, sir.
20:27 <D33d> : Oh hey there.
20:28 <Katsuri> : D33d, was you modding my new bubbled map?
20:28 <D33d> : Yeah, I noticed a few smallish things in your mapset which threw me off, but if they stay there, then I'm not
20:28 <D33d> : going to complain.
20:28 <D33d> : I also think that you should make an Easy with less 1/2 and make the Normal a bit harder, but Gonzvlo's happy
20:28 <D33d> : with the spread as it is.
20:29 <Katsuri> : Oh, can you make de Easy for me?
20:29 <D33d> : What I don't want to do is to churn through the whole mapset and annoy you with lots of subjective things, so
20:29 <D33d> : I'm going to sit on it for a bit and then write a post which is thought out.
20:29 <D33d> : Hahahaa.
20:29 <D33d> : I could try!
20:29 <D33d> : Or if you have the time, then give it a go yourself.
20:29 <Katsuri> : I will be glad to add it
20:30 <D33d> : If I do make an easy, then I'll either make it super easy, or I'll ask you if you can try to make [Normal] a bit
20:30 <D33d> : harder.
20:30 <Katsuri> : D33d, I'm quite lazy, I can't just make diffs to maps already rankable
20:30 <D33d> : More 1/1, but yeah.
20:30 <D33d> : Haha, fair enough.
20:31 <Katsuri> : But will Gonzvlo mod it?
20:31 <Katsuri> : Or just checked the spread? XD
20:31 <D33d> : I'm a bit busy, even for modding, so while I suggested that this mapset has a few changes made, I wasn't
20:31 <D33d> : promising that I'd mod it.
20:31 <D33d> : He said that he'd check it after I mod.
20:31 <D33d> : Honestly, I'm going to try to mod your map within the next few days.
20:32 <D33d> : Hell, when I finish this difficulty, I could point out a few things here.
20:32 <Katsuri> : D33d
20:32 <Katsuri> : Make it now
20:32 <Katsuri> : Via irc, if possible
20:32 <D33d> : Don't rush me, otherwise it'll be sloppy.
20:32 <Katsuri> : Then if you don't find unrankable issues I will be happy to not pop my bubblt
20:32 <Katsuri> : bubble*
20:33 <D33d> : I have plenty of time before I go to sleep, so I'll finish my own diff, have a cup of tea and then see what I can
20:33 <D33d> : point out.
20:33 <D33d> : Also, these won't really be unrankable, but if you could change them anyway, then they'd make the map that bit
20:33 <D33d> : more polished.
20:34 <Katsuri> : I will consider
20:34 <D33d> : Okay.
20:35 <Katsuri> : But remember... Keep my bubble integer is a very good opition, then make sure to point just GOOD things and
20:35 <Katsuri> : not nazi/hitsound/new combo unnecesarry stufff.
20:36 <D33d> : The things that I suggest are generally things that'd make a great map almost perfect, so it would be in your
20:36 <D33d> : best interests to get rid of things that might annoy people.
20:36 <Katsuri> : Thanks, I will be glad to apply your map, sir.
20:36 <Katsuri> : mod*
20:36 <D33d> : I'd also advise against telling people what NOT to mod, because you can simply disregard nazimodding, but I'll
20:36 <D33d> : go through the map again and see what I can point out that is glaring.
20:36 <D33d> : But cool.
20:38 <Katsuri> : I can mod too, do you want me to mod something for you?
20:38 <D33d> : Oh um.
20:38 <D33d> : If you can, then mod my PONPONPON map.
20:38 <D33d> : That would certainly be much, much appreciated.
20:39 <D33d> : I seem to remember you modding one of my maps as well, but if not, then I know that you can mod pretty well.
20:39 <Katsuri> : viewtopic.php?p=1257462#p1257462
20:39 <D33d> : Hold on.
20:39 <Katsuri> : ?
20:39 *D33d is editing (Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36225]
20:39 <Katsuri> : It's Lanttu's PONPONPON map
20:41 <D33d> : Yeah.
20:41 <D33d> : Well there's mine in any case.
20:41 *Katsuri is listening to (Kyary Pamyu Pamyu - PONPONPON)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/36225]
20:41 <D33d> : For what it's worth, I quite like Lanttu's as well.
20:42 <D33d> : Also, I'd probably reduce the spacing on this 00:29:999 (6)-. If nothing else, then it'd lead into the next pattern
20:42 <D33d> : better that way, but as a 1/2 jump, it feels a bit too harsh.
20:44 <D33d> : 00:41:874 (4,5,6,7)- Consider rearranging this pattern a bit as well, because (6) is covered too much by a
20:44 <D33d> : hitburst for my liking.
20:44 <Katsuri> : Oh I liked it!
20:44 <Katsuri> : 'Consider' < Good way to suggesting things...
20:45 <D33d> : Hey, I just want you to at least think about my suggestions.
20:45 <Katsuri> : Haha
20:45 <Katsuri> : Ok
20:45 <Katsuri> : Fixed something about second suggestions
20:45 <D33d> : Sweet.
20:45 <Katsuri> : Fixed something about second suggestion*
20:46 <Katsuri> : But Ignored first one, I think the jump feets pretty well
20:46 <D33d> : Also I WAS using larger-than-default hitbursts, but (6) is still covered a fair bit with the default.
20:46 <D33d> : If you like.
20:47 <Katsuri> : hm
20:49 <D33d> : 00:49:843- I'd like you to add a circle on the beat here, stack it with (6) and move them away from the slider
20:49 <D33d> : end.
20:49 <Katsuri> : Nope...
20:49 <D33d> : Would feel much more satisfying in my opinion.
20:49 <D33d> : Why not?
20:49 <D33d> : Also, I think that the overlappy stack on the slider end just feels awkward, but that's just me.
20:50 <Katsuri> : The anti-jump plays like an stop
20:50 <D33d> : Yeah, I know.
20:51 <Katsuri> : I can't say
20:51 <D33d> : I just felt that a stack there would feel better. The stops are good elsewhere, although they're at least
20:51 <D33d> : consistent.
20:51 <Katsuri> : It's bad on purpose haha
20:51 <D33d> : Haha.
20:51 <D33d> : Argh, don't say things like that.
20:51 <D33d> : It feels intuitive as it is, but don't do things just for the sake of being awkward or whatever.
20:52 <D33d> : Also, Gonzvlo said that he dislikes the jump here 01:54:9990
20:52 <D33d> : sorry
20:52 <D33d> : 01:54:999-
20:52 <Katsuri> : I think the 'bad on purpose' is good.
20:52 <D33d> : Whenever this sort of jump happens, I think that it's SLIGHTLY too much. Reduce the jumps a little bit?
20:53 <Katsuri> : D33d
20:53 <Katsuri> : Sappha will not recheck it later
20:53 <Katsuri> : Then you need to give me a better reason to search another MAT to mod and Miley Cyrus map and stuff
20:54 <Katsuri> : Really...
20:54 <Katsuri> : Nobody wants to mod miley cyrus
20:54 <D33d> : This here 01:02:499 (3,4)- feels a bit awkward and you should at least space (2) and (4) the same as (1) and
20:54 <D33d> : (3).
20:54 <D33d> : Nobody wants to mod my maps either. It's hard and I'm dealing with popped bubbles and unranks myself.
20:54 <Katsuri> : Seriously d33d
20:55 <Katsuri> : 'at least space 2 and 4'
20:55 <Katsuri> : It's totally nazi
20:55 <Katsuri> : Makes no difference on gameplay
20:55 <D33d> : I know, but the jump itself feels like too much.
20:55 <D33d> : So I said that as an aside. I'm mentioning picky things which would coincide with legitimate suggestions.
20:56 <Katsuri> : Nope, the jump looks like enjoyable before new boring spaced kiai time
20:56 <Katsuri> : The map is awkward on purpose
20:56 <Katsuri> : Really
20:56 <D33d> : I really don't think so, which is why I'm suggesting it. There is a substantial difference between a map being
20:56 <D33d> : difficult and a map being awkward for the sake of it.
20:57 <D33d> : I don't mind if the map is ranked as it is, but I wanted to suggest a few things before it was.
20:57 <Katsuri> : The hard jump is hard..
20:57 <D33d> : At least then, you have a few things to consider if you want to make the map even better.
20:57 <Katsuri> : Wait
20:57 <Katsuri> : Just one thing was changed until here.
20:58 <D33d> : Also, my advice is to keep awkward jumps to where they fit the music, instead of mid-phrase.
20:58 <D33d> : Yes, I know. It's why I wanted to write a proper mod post, so that you could read everything in one place.
20:58 <Katsuri> : there is no awkward jumps on mid-phrase
20:59 <D33d> : Yes, there is. That jump in particular occurs where there is no real stress.
20:59 <Katsuri> : D33d, I really think I could fix your suggestions
20:59 <Katsuri> : But before it was bubbled
20:59 <Katsuri> : Now it's a bit late ._.'
20:59 <D33d> : Hey, if you don't want your bubble to be popped, then that's fine.
20:59 <D33d> : Yeah; I only looked at this offhandly because Gonzvlo mentioned it.
21:00 <Katsuri> : offhandly?
21:00 <D33d> : On a whim.
21:00 <Katsuri> : Really D33d
21:00 <D33d> : I was like, "okay, might as well check this" and then I went through it a bit.
21:01 <D33d> : Look, if you're going to get impatient about getting the map ranked, then I'll tell Gonzvlo that I'll leave him to
21:01 <D33d> : check it.
21:01 <Katsuri> : I'm will not get impatient
21:01 <Katsuri> : But I revived this map these days
21:01 <D33d> : You seem to be in quite the hurry to get it ranked.
21:01 <Katsuri> : I know if I pop it
21:02 <Katsuri> : Nobody will check this
21:02 <Katsuri> : And it will die
21:02 <Katsuri> : that's why I have 5 pending maps now.
21:02 <D33d> : Anyway, never mind. I did tell you that my suggestions would be more about polish and fixing the odd awkward
21:02 <D33d> : part, but you don't want to change that sort of thing.
21:03 <Katsuri> : Just say Gonzvlo the first suggestion of all
21:03 <Katsuri> : And I will be happy to fix and give you kudos for it.
21:04 <D33d> : You mean the hidden hitcircle?
21:04 <Katsuri> : Yes
21:04 <D33d> : k
21:04 <Katsuri> : I just don't like the bureaucracy of this game
21:05 <Katsuri> : If I pop the bubble for a minor fix i will need to get a new bubble before ranking it
21:05 <D33d> : It's not bureaucracy at all. Lots of maps get ranked which are sloppy, and I want to help to fix that.
21:05 <D33d> : However, I understand that having a bubble popped over subjective things is very bothersome.
21:05 <Katsuri> : I know D33d....
21:05 <Katsuri> : I understand
21:05 <Katsuri> : You
21:05 <Katsuri> : I will be glad to request you a mod on my Dia Frampton map
21:05 <D33d> : Okay.
21:06 <Katsuri> : If possible, I will be really happy to apply all your suggestions
21:06 <D33d> : Also, again, I wouldn't complain if the map was ranked as-is.
21:06 <D33d> : Okay then.
21:06 *Katsuri is listening to (Dia Frampton - Walk Away)[http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42153]
21:06 <D33d> : Downloading that now.
21:08 <D33d> : Also, I don't want to spoil things for you, but this is what Gonzvlo said: http://puu.sh/dCXF
21:09 <D33d> : Okay, your map's downloaded and I'll try to mod THAT tomorrow.
21:10 <D33d> : Also, I suggested that SapphireGhost does recheck your map if he can, so don't worry about a rebubble if it does
21:10 <D33d> : get popped.
21:11 <Katsuri> : I just don't want to be rude with Gonzvlo
21:11 <D33d> : Don't worry about that.
21:11 <D33d> : If Gonzvlo pops your bubble, then fix everything and then I'll try to get some MATs to look at your map.
21:11 <Katsuri> : But if his modpost have Nazi/hitsound/newcombo dispenssable issues...
21:12 <Katsuri> : I will need to ignore it and let the map die again.
21:12 <D33d> : If his modpost was to have those things, then they are obviously bothersome enough to warrant a pop.
21:12 <D33d> : Changing them will also show that you care about a BAT's suggestions, so a MAT or BAT would be more inclined
21:12 <D33d> : to help you.
21:13 <Katsuri> : Really
21:13 <Katsuri> : I care about everybody's suggestions
21:13 <Katsuri> : More of people that I respect as a mapper...
21:14 <Katsuri> : I respect you as a mapper, but I think your suggestions weren't enough to kill my map.
21:15 <Katsuri> : Since that's my last week of vacation.
21:15 <D33d> : I guess, but that's just a part of it and they'd be small changes anyway.
21:15 <D33d> : But thank you for that sentiment.
21:15 <D33d> : If your mapset does end up sitting around for a while, then I'll happily make an easy for you.
21:16 <Katsuri> : No
21:16 <D33d> : I suppose that that would subject it to another load of waiting.
21:16 <D33d> : Anyway, wait to see what Gonzvlo does.
21:16 <Katsuri> : Ind33d.
21:16 <Katsuri> : Man
21:17 <Katsuri> : I'm so fucking unsightly.
21:17 <D33d> : I would strongly advise against ignoring his suggestions, because then--oh you--a MAT will have fewer things to
21:17 <D33d> : pick at.
21:17 <D33d> : Teehee.
21:17 <D33d> : ALSO, I asked Agnes to look at it if the bubble's popped and she said that she would.
21:18 <Katsuri> : Ok
21:18 <Katsuri> : Then I think you won.
21:19 <D33d> : Really?
21:21 <Katsuri> : Yes
21:21 <Katsuri> : Fixed everything you said
21:21 <Katsuri> : Something more?
21:21 <D33d> : Oh really? Okay, thank you.
21:21 <D33d> : Um okay.
21:21 <D33d> : There wasn't much else to point out.
21:21 <D33d> : Please be patient while I go through the rest of this. I swear that there isn't a whole lot else.
21:21 <Katsuri> : remember
21:22 <Katsuri> : I'M NOT DOING IT BECAUSE OF GONZVLO SAID
21:22 <D33d> : Right then.
21:22 <Katsuri> : But because in Agnes' hands I know the map will not die.
21:22 <D33d> : In that case, thanks even more for applying some suggestions.
21:22 <D33d> : Ah okay.
21:22 <D33d> : I will pester the shit out of her. Seriously.
21:23 <D33d> : Little thing, but reverse these two unless you REALLY want that large jump 00:44:374 (3,4)-
21:23 <Katsuri> : Thank you
21:24 <Katsuri> : I want this jump, sir...
21:24 <D33d> : Oh, all right then.
21:25 <D33d> : Also, I'd really just suggesting reducing the spacing of this sort of pattern at 01:54:999 (1,2,3)- whenever it
21:25 <D33d> : happens.
21:25 <D33d> : Just a little bit in order to make it easiER, rather than normal spacing.
21:25 <D33d> : I like the effect of the jump.
21:26 <Katsuri> : Man, Gonzvlo may be thinking the worst things of the world about me haha
21:26 <D33d> : I don't think so. I'm sure that he appreciates how much trouble this is.
21:26 <D33d> : Hell, I do.
21:27 <D33d> : I just don't like things being ignored for the sake of it or for the sake of giving the mapper an easy time--even
21:27 <D33d> : with my own maps, if they're to be shown to a world of faceless players, then I want them to be as polished as
21:27 <D33d> : possible.
21:28 <D33d> : Nothing else in [Insane], really. Just the repetitions of those huge 1/2 jumps. This in particular 03:12:343
21:28 <D33d> : (1,2,3)-. Again, just reduce the spacing a bit to make it easier.
21:29 <Katsuri> : D33d
21:29 <Katsuri> : When we talk about slider jumps
21:29 <Katsuri> : You can consider it's a 1/1 jump between two sliderstarts
21:30 <D33d> : Slider jumps are completely fine.
21:30 <D33d> : I was talking about the circles around that slider end. Threw me off slightly. That's all.
21:30 <Katsuri> : yes
21:30 <Katsuri> : Oh
21:30 <D33d> : Hard is looking very nice, by the way. Just playing through it.
21:31 <Katsuri> : It was fixed :3
21:31 <D33d> : Lovely.
21:31 <D33d> : Yeah, Hard has a few awkward things, but I appreciate that they're a part of the difficulty and they fit the song
21:31 <D33d> : well.
21:32 <D33d> : That sort of awkwardness works well.
21:33 <D33d> : Hard is fine.
21:33 <D33d> : Testing Normal again.
21:34 <Katsuri> : ok
21:35 <Katsuri> : Really D33d
21:35 <Katsuri> : Gonzvlo may be thinking I suck a lot
21:35 <D33d> : Really?
21:35 <D33d> : He seems to be happy with the map as a whole.
21:35 <Katsuri> : but with my attitude
21:35 <D33d> : He was prepared to rank it himself, but he spotted some things.
21:35 <Katsuri> : Of rejecting
21:36 <Katsuri> : your suggestions
21:36 <D33d> : Don't worry about it. Do what you feel will actually improve the map and never worry about how long it takes to
21:36 <D33d> : get something ranked.
21:36 <Katsuri> : I don't care about ranking
21:36 <Katsuri> : I just care about graveyard
21:37 <D33d> : Ah yes.
21:37 <D33d> : At least you can revive your own maps.
21:39 <D33d> : Also, please don't worry about people thinking that you suck. Your only concerns should be making your maps
21:39 <D33d> : as good as you can.
21:39 <D33d> : MATs and BATs aren't going to judge you on your attitude, or they certainly shouldn't.
21:40 <D33d> : There's only one (repeated) thing that I'd suggest for [Normal].
21:41 <Katsuri> : D33d
21:41 <Katsuri> : I want to become a MAT someday
21:41 <D33d> : If it's to pass as an easy difficulty, then might I suggest replacing the 1/2 stream here with one slider?
21:41 <D33d> : 00:22:655 (3,4,5,6)-
21:41 <Katsuri> : And that's why I care about my atitude
21:41 <D33d> : Ah, okay.
21:42 <D33d> : You should be good enough to be a MAT, especially because you can mod frequently and thoroughly.
21:43 <Katsuri> : D33d
21:43 <D33d> : The only thing that I'd suggest is to be as open-minded and agreeable as possible, but you seem to be fine in
21:43 <D33d> : that regard in general.
21:43 <D33d> : Also yes?
21:43 <Katsuri> : Hmm
21:44 <Katsuri> : Nope. :3
21:44 <D33d> : Also, having that slider there feels nice to me, so do with it what you may.
21:44 <Katsuri> : Nope about the suggestion of Normal X
21:44 <Katsuri> : XD*
21:44 <D33d> : Awww.
21:44 <D33d> : Go on; at least try it and see what you prefer.
21:44 <D33d> : That's all though. [Normal] is totally fine.
21:45 <D33d> : It's just that streams like that might be a bit hard for novices.
21:45 <Katsuri> : Hmm
21:45 <Katsuri> : SG that will rebubble
21:45 <Katsuri> : If it's just insane :3
21:45 <D33d> : Hell, I find it hard to tell what a new player would find easy or hard.
21:45 <Katsuri> : I will submit ok?
21:45 <D33d> : Yeah, just that and the slider suggestion.
21:45 <D33d> : Well okay.
21:45 <D33d> : Actually go on go on do that slider thing and tell me what you think of it.
21:46 <D33d> : 'Cause I keep looking and it and thinking that it would work REALLY well.
21:46 <D33d> : It sort of... Springs out nicely.
21:46 <D33d> : Also, using 1/2 like that is overmapping. Just saying.
21:46 <D33d> : Not following a lot and all.
21:47 <Katsuri> : Oh
21:47 <Katsuri> : Submitted
21:47 <Katsuri> : popper
21:47 <D33d> : Yeah, it's definitely overmapping.
21:47 <D33d> : Oh um.
21:47 <D33d> : Okay.
21:47 <D33d> : Right. If Sapphire doesn't look at it again, then I'll still pester Agnes.
21:48 <Katsuri> : Haha
21:48 <D33d> : Won't be a problem.