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Haneii
[quote="Swiftwolf Yellowtail"
If you want to lynch me, go ahead. You won't be gaining anything from it, though.[/quote]

Why so apathetic? Unless you're mafia or some thirdparty/alt win condition besides town, I don't understand why you'd say something like this. This is probably your first mafia game in a while, so I find it hard to believe that you'd give up on the game so soon (unless you really are mafia and you can't think of anyway to get out of this). Understand this: if you are town you are NOT helping when you allow yourself to be lynched. It might be inevitable/seem hopeless but you should try to fight against a mislynch vs catalyzing one

Right now you're coming off as a really bad mafia (failing to avoid looking suspicious)...or a bad town (actions are harmful to town)
Haneii
Fail quote orz

Also

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

All I'm trying to do is simply be what I am and survive as a person in this place filled with paranoia.
So you're a survivor?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Haneii wrote:

This is probably your first mafia game in a while, so I find it hard to believe that you'd give up on the game so soon
Actually, it is my first in a while. Couple years, actually.

So you're a survivor?
No. Just someone that can't get a grasp at this.
Rantai
Flipping back through the pages before I head to bed...

Yeah I think I'll head to bed and make sense of this tomorrow. (seriously, what?)
Kiddo-Kun
Mornin' people.

1) What role and faction do you prefer to play as, and why?
Independent. Being anything else is to much pressure.
2) Are you up for lynching lurkers?
Hmmm, I guess not.
3) Do you believe in using meta as a scumhunting tool?
I think it's fair.
4) How often do you plan to post in the thread?
I'll try to post when I can

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Maybe I'm trying to be suspicious. You don't know of I am or not.
This is puzzling. Why would you try to be suspicious?

Vote: Swiftwolf Yellowtail

You're the only one who seems fishy.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Kiddo-Kun wrote:

This is puzzling. Why would you try to be suspicious?
...Because it's part of the game? I dunno, I just like to see how you people would react to my posts. Apparently, you seem to think I'm the enemy. Which, if you think is right, it will send you towards victory. Maybe. I could just be a townie and you would just be helping the mafia, or I could be the mafia and you'd be helping yourselves.

Personally, I think there's something suspicious about NH and their sudden questioning of the people playing.

Vote: NoHItter


also, I loltypo'd a while back. I meant to say "if I am or not" not "of I am or not". XD
DeathxShinigami
I just found our animask of the game <3

Vote: Swiftwolf Yellowtail

Are you trying to make any sense or do you just like confusing the shit out of people?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail

DeathxShinigami wrote:

I just found our animask of the game <3
...Is that supposed to be a good thing? Because if you're talking about me, you're making a bad connection.
Are you trying to make any sense or do you just like confusing the shit out of people?
I'm trying to make some sort of sense... funny how I haven't seen anyone else say "What are you saying?" but you.
Lilac
I'm reading more when I come back from school but I am more than sure either NoHItter or Yellowtail is Mafia. This is going with past experience and generally my gut feeling.

FoSing both of you.
Rantai
Whew less dead sleepy now.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

...Because it's part of the game?
Ok. Being suspicious on purpose generally is only useful to someone who wants to be lynched as far as I can tell, if you were either a townie or mafia being this blatantly confusing and suspicious makes no sense at all.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

I dunno, I just like to see how you people would react to my posts.
What were you hoping? The only reaction you're going to get is mass confusion and finger pointing at yourself.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

Apparently, you seem to think I'm the enemy. Which, if you think is right, it will send you towards victory. Maybe. I could just be a townie and you would just be helping the mafia, or I could be the mafia and you'd be helping yourselves.
Thanks for stating the obvious. I find it interesting you didn't mention the possibility of being independent. For all I know this could be a ploy to draw attention away from that fact.

Possible jester? Certainly seems possible to me.
Lilac
He's not a jester.

Look, I'm agreeing with what Rolled said in a previous game about not being suspicious as a town because you're not benefiting them nor are you benefiting yourself.

I'm not sure if you've noticed, but stating WIFOM this early in the game doesn't help you nor does it help anyone. It gives townies a false sense of lynching and the mafia, a free kill. Providing that you are town of course.
Rantai

Lilac wrote:

He's not a jester.
While my guess works on basically nothing, it's no guarantee I'm wrong.

Unless you know something about the role setup.
Lilac
It just doesn't feel right.

I am more than 80% sure that his lynch wouldn't result in the game finishing right now with a Jester win.

If anyone objects, please feel free to do so.
Quaraezha
I'm pretty sure there's no jester in the game, but that's just a hunch.
If Swiftwolf continues to play with us like this, why bother having him around


vote: Swiftwolf
Haneii
That's already 4 votes Swiftwolf :/ - one more and you're gone ~

Is there any reason why we shouldn't lynch you, Swift?



Razha, why so switchhappy? :P
pieguyn
I agree that Swiftwolf is suspicious, but I have a gut feeling that he's not mafia.

Vote: Rantai. I have a gut feeling he's mafia. (I can't explain it, it's just a gut feeling >.<)

I think it's a bit suspicious that Lilac jumped up and said "he's not a Jester" instead of "I don't think he's a Jester", however I'm not quite sure what to think about him yet. :?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Now that I've had a nice IRL sleep...

Quaraezha: I agree with Haneii. Why so switchhappy? You're becoming as suspicious as NoHItter. I'm going to keep my vote on NH, but put my FoS on you if you seem to be more suspicious than him.

Haneii: There's no reason why you should lynch me other than the fact that I'm suspicious. I understand my posts (especially the first one) was weird, but if I get lynched, okay, cool. +1 to some side. I honestly don't care what happens now. If the town wins, great. If not, oh well.

Also, from what I've seen in the previous games, the most active people are usually the mafia. Now, this is a good and bad thing, because I'm one of the most active. Just throwing that out there to those that have any suspicions of any player including myself.

Also,

Lilac wrote:

I'm reading more when I come back from school but I am more than sure either NoHItter or Yellowtail is Mafia.
It's quite possible that both of us are mafia. Sure, it'd be a big loss if we voted ourselves off, but to make our suspicions a bit lower, we could simply vote each other off. I've done that before. I applaud you for catching on to that tactic.


I will have you people know that mistakes do happen and what I did was a serious failure. By the looks of it, D1 is about to end faster than expected, but losses are to be made sooner or later, and sometimes, it's better to make those losses sooner than necessary.
Quaraezha
I was convinced that you were suspicious
And then I wasn't.
and then I was again.
Haneii

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

There's no reason why you should lynch me other than the fact that I'm suspicious. I understand my posts (especially the first one) was weird, but if I get lynched, okay, cool. +1 to some side. I honestly don't care what happens now. If the town wins, great. If not, oh well.
......

Swiftwolf Yellowtail wrote:

By the looks of it, D1 is about to end faster than expected, but losses are to be made sooner or later, and sometimes, it's better to make those losses sooner than necessary.

You say you're acting suspicious on purpose + sometimes it's better to make our losses sooner than...um...necessary.

Frankly, I am now scared to vote for you since it's something you obviously want ;~;
Haneii
I'll just be straightforward with you, Swift. ARE YOU ALIGNED WITH TOWN?
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Yes
Haneii
Vote: Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
Double standard. Go figure.
Lilac
Well, that's it then.

Gute Nacht.
NoHitter
*facepalm*
Why the hammer when we still had...
We could have asked Swift to claim first.

FoS: Haneii
Haneii

Lilac wrote:

Well, that's it then.
Swiftwolf Yellowtail
..I find it weird how the day hasn't ended yet. There's 5 votes against me, and the day isn't over.
Lilac
The day isn't over because LS wasn't here.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

Lilac wrote:

The day isn't over because LS wasn't here.
Correct.

Swiftwolf Yellowtail - Nurse - Lynched D1.

It is now Night 1. Please send all Night actions within 24 hours.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Haneii - Doctor - Killed N1

It is now day 2. With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.
NoHitter
I don't seem to get the Nightkill choice.
Haneii was the one who seemed most suspicious as she quick-hammered Swift.
After Haneii, I would prefer a MB lynch on the count of the odd phrasing of what he said.

Lilac wrote:

Well, that's it then.

Gute Nacht.

That reaction is something I wouldn't expect from town to say.

Bad luck is that we lost our Nurse and Doctor on the first phase.

I would like to hear more from pieguy and Kiddo-kun too. They just hopped in and voted.
They didn't participate in the discussion whatsoever.
pieguyn
I don't get the NK choice either, it seems weird to me. Oh well~

Anyway, it might not seem like I was discussing much, but at that point I actually brought everything I had to the table. At that point in day 1, it is too early for me to figure anything out objectively, so I just voted based off a gut instinct.

At this point, I presume there are either 2 or 3 mafia. 3 mafia seems a bit much for a 9-person game IMO, so I'll go with 2 mafia, meaning we have one more free lynch before LYLO.

I'm not sure I like how NoHItter is trying to make Lilac look suspicious, when Lilac previously FoS'ed him. This might not really be valid, but I've got a gut feeling NoHitter is mafia, so I vote NoHItter
Kiddo-Kun
I know I wasn't discussing much but I felt no need to deal with someone like Swiftwolf Yellowtail being retarded.
Don't worry, I'll try to participate more from now on.

Also if anyone, I think DeathxShinigami should be the one to speak up.

@pieguy: I think you shouldn't vote based on your gut feelings. Sure you can have them, but wait until you have something to back it up.
Lilac
I said before if Yellowtail was lynched and turned up town, that NoHItter is definitely Mafia.

Also, whoever NK'd Haneii probably did the stupidest thing ever.
NoHitter
Vote: MB777 (Lilac)
for reasons said earlier.

Could you also explain your reasoning behind if one flips town, the other must be scum.
Only scum would want to label people like that.
Rantai
Hmm I honestly will not understand what was going through Swift's mind... better still the NK choice.

Anyway, looking at what's in front of us I'm not liking how Lilac is treating everything in absolutes or nonchalantly. I get the feeling he either knows something or is trying to stay as neutral as possible.
Rantai
NoHItter you ninja.
Lilac
It's just things I've seen in the past. Usually the one person who starts the bandwagon is mostly likely the one to be Mafia.

NoHItter wrote:

Only scum would want to label people like that.
Yeah...No. I'm sorry where did you get that from? Considering that I also didn't know where you got the suspicion that...

NoHItter wrote:

Haneii was the one who seemed most suspicious as she quick-hammered Swift.
NoHitter
Wrong. You set up a dichotomy.
"If Swift is town, Hitter is scum, or vice versa."

I merely said "Haneii is suspicious because she hammered."

Setting up a dichotomy is wrong as you basically limit it to two choices - basically a False Dilemma. What I want to know is how you arrived at that dichotomy conclusion.

Lilac wrote:

It's just things I've seen in the past. Usually the one person who starts the bandwagon is mostly likely the one to be Mafia.
That is not always true. There are many cases where town vote first.
That's exactly why I disagree on the use of meta from other games. What happens in one game doesn't necessarily apply in other games.
Lilac
Please read above.

Look, I'm saving you from another terrible decision.

You started voting for Yellowtail, you were wrong.

You FoS'd Haneii, you were wrong.

I don't think you're Mafia anymore, but I am still keeping my eye on you.
NoHitter
Well then, who do you think is scum now?
Theoretically with 9 players, there would be 2.
Lilac
I wish people would talk more.
Rantai

Lilac wrote:

I wish people would talk more.
This, especially Q and DxS.
Rantai
Oh more double posting, because I'm cool like that.

@Lilac

Interesting defense. We were basically all wrong about Swift's alignment and let's face it, Haneii's hammer was extremely suspicious.

You even agreed indirectly

Lilac wrote:

Also, whoever NK'd Haneii probably did the stupidest thing ever.
As I see it right now you've dodged his question about your 'Either Swift or NoHItter is mafia", backflipped saying you're not suspecting him of being mafia anymore while blaming him for something all of us were thinking (as far as I can tell).

Not convinced yet but I'm not liking it at all.
Lilac
That's fine, I knew it was probably a selfish thing to blame all of it on NoHItter. I wish there were some aux roles that we know to help us...

Or even more people talking.
pieguyn
All right, I find it really odd that Quaraezha made a bunch of posts day 1 and hasn't posted anything at all in day 2. Also, he kept voting and unvoting Swiftwolf on day 1.

I'd also like to hear from Kiddo-Kun and DxS. :?
Kiddo-Kun
Just checking in and there is nothing much to say since nothing is going on.

Also, shall we prod DxS?
pieguyn
I think we probably should.

If I had to name two people as mafia right now it'd be NoHItter and Quaraezha. Actually now that I realize it Quaraezha seems more suspicious to me than NoHItter, so unvote NoHItter, vote Quaraezha
Kiddo-Kun
Can you give some reasoning behind that? It's not like I'm going to defend him (Depends on your argument, really). I just want to know what you find suspicious about him.

Oh and also Prod DxS
pieguyn
For Quaraezha:

pieguy1372 wrote:

All right, I find it really odd that Quaraezha made a bunch of posts day 1 and hasn't posted anything at all in day 2. Also, he kept voting and unvoting Swiftwolf on day 1.
For NoHItter: Still mostly a gut feeling. :?
NoHitter
Let me ask a question then:
Who do you think are the mafia? Chances are, there are two.
Rantai
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say Lilac and DxS.

Lilac because of my previously mentioned points.

DxS because all he's done is make one bandwagon vote.

There isn't much to work on but that's how it stands with me right now.
NoHitter
Whoops forgot to answer my own question first.
MB777 and Kiddo-kun (gut only though)
No one is really pinging me that much.

Others need to post more.
DeathxShinigami

Kiddo-Kun wrote:

Just checking in and there is nothing much to say since nothing is going on.

Also, shall we prod DxS?
Says the other one who hasn't spoken much.

Anywho...Haneii's death seems almost random though I can see why mafia targeted her because of how aggressive she played back in Day 1.

If anything I have to say at the moment Player Q's rather dodgy actions lately seems to suggest he "could be mafia" otherwise I don't have much thoughts at this point.
Lilac
I initially thought NoHItter was Mafia. I was dead certain on voting for him if he said anything that would be scummy.

He didn't though, which made me reconsider my options at this point in time. I want to play really aggressively on this one as if you aren't being decisive, you aren't helping anyone you're just WIFOMing. (I still can't talk though.)

Vote: DxS
Lilac
Reason: He's the only one that I got a feeling on of being Mafia, both being inactive and what he just said.

If NoHItter can have one shot, so can I.
DeathxShinigami
Day 2's ending soon...

Going to go with my gut feeling and

Vote: Quaraezha

Seriously, have any of you noticed he hasn't posted at all since Day 2 began?
Kiddo-Kun

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Day 2's ending soon...

Going to go with my gut feeling and

Vote: Quaraezha

Seriously, have any of you noticed he hasn't posted at all since Day 2 began?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Says the other one who hasn't spoken much.
Vote: DxS
NoHitter
It does seem odd that Quaraezha is lurking atm.
DxS has a point.
I'm assuming that DxS' vote was a pressure vote.

Mod: How long until deadline? Also votecount? :)

Prod: Quaraezha
Rantai

NoHItter wrote:

I'm assuming that DxS' vote was a pressure vote.
Pressure or easy way out?

Lilac wrote:

If NoHItter can have one shot, so can I.
That sounds so childish :P
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Quar (2) - Pieguy, DxS
DxS (2) - Lilac, Kiddo

Deadline is in 1 day, and an hour. (Assuming I calculated right.)
NoHitter
That wasn't a vote.
That was a prod.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu

NoHItter wrote:

That wasn't a vote.
That was a prod.
fixed.
Rantai
Ugh not much time left...

Vote: Quaraezha - Start talking.
NoHitter
Vote: Quaraezha

Although I wouldn't want to advocate a lurker lynch at the moment, it seems that he isn't going to get replaced, and he won't talk at all.
Not talking is a great way for scum to hide.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Quar - Relay Mason - Lynched D2

It is now Night 2. Please send all night actions within 24 hours.
Quaraezha
I don't have internet at home.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
NoHItter - One-shot Executioner - Killed N2.

It is now day 3. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is 4 days.
DeathxShinigami
Hey Lilac, gonna rage more about why we should be lynching me today? Oh, and I know you're not mafia.
Lilac
Well, NoHItter dying really helped me figure out who's Mafia.

Vote: Rantai Yeah, go work with DxS why don't you?
pieguyn
Oh wow. Looks like I need to read the thread again :? I thought NoHItter was mafia...

/me rereads thread

First of all, Kiddo-Kun seems way too inactive for my tastes. I also strongly dislike his reason for not participating day 1. Even if Swiftwolf wasn't making good decisions, hiding like that means we have less information to go on in the future.

I can't get any good reads on DxS. Though DxS, how do you know Lilac isn't mafia? (or are you both mafia ;) ) Also, he asked if no one noticed that Quaraezha hadn't posted day 2 when I noticed it first. However, what he said about Lilac makes me think that either he's a cop, or that Lilac is a Friendly Neighbor.

Rantai was the person I was suspicious of first. Then on day 2 he said Lilac was suspicious, but didn't vote until someone else voted for Quaraezha. Perhaps he was trying to stay neutral, as to avoid suspicion. :?

I can't get any good reads on Lilac either, but I think it's a bit dangerous how he voted someone right at the start of day 3. (Unless, of course, Rantai is mafia, which I'm inclined to say is true) He also tried to make a setup day 1 ("one of these two people is mafia") which turned out to be entirely wrong. o.o

Anyway, I really want to hear about why DxS "knows" Lilac is not mafia. :? Also, I think we should be sure about it before voting someone today. FoS'ing Kiddo-Kun and Rantai because they're at the top of my list, for now. v_v
Lilac
It's simple.

Whoever made the two NKs were killing the most suspicious people off. Which is pretty bad for the Mafia as they have to make town kill the each other...

So it's obviously people who are either not in touch with the thread or are REALLY bad at playing mafia.

Oh yeah, I've figured out why Kiddo isn't the Mafia. He's the Friendly Neighbour, not me.
Lilac
Also, did something happen to you at night time, pieguy?

Like, a change in roles?
pieguyn
nothing happened to me during the Night round (that I'm aware of) o.o why would you think that?

In that case, Kiddo-kun is innocent, leaving you, Rantai, and DxS. I'm inclined to say Rantai and DxS at this point. What does everyone else think?
NoHitter
/dies
Good luck Town
Kiddo-Kun
Everyone else is fine except for DxS
Carrying over my vote from the day before into this day.
Vote DxS
DeathxShinigami
pieguy: Are you cop or something?

Cause if you truly know that Kiddo is "innocent" We pretty much found out that Rantai is mafia.
Lilac
CALLING RANTAI.

Did your role happen to change at night?
Rantai

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Hey Lilac, gonna rage more about why we should be lynching me today? Oh, and I know you're not mafia.
That's very interesting, how do you know that? Right now your line is coming off as a way to deflect Lilac's suspicion away from you.

That said, with this line I'm inclined to believe that Lilac isn't mafia.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Rantai was the person I was suspicious of first. Then on day 2 he said Lilac was suspicious, but didn't vote until someone else voted for Quaraezha. Perhaps he was trying to stay neutral, as to avoid suspicion.
At the time I found both Lilac and DxS suspicious but didn't feel strongly enough either way to vote for them. Q's vote was a pressure vote because we didn't have much time and he still hadn't responded to his prod.

- Oh you ninja's

@Lilac - No my role hasn't changed.
Lilac
Then answer me.

Mafia or not? Because I am MORE THAN SURE you are.

Plus DxS. I'll bandwagon on him if he's got enough votes.
Rantai
That sounds so damn suspicious.

But no, I am not a mafia.
DeathxShinigami
Leaning towards pieguy is mafia now.

Also, I have a hunch pieguy isn't cop either considering what Rantai said could be true.
Lilac
I want Kiddo-Kun's opinion on this.

Who do you think is Mafia, Kiddo? because I KNOW you are town.
Kiddo-Kun
I thought DxS, but for some reason that opinion is starting to fade. Unvote
I guess it's him just talking more.

I'm thinking pieguy is mafia.
Lilac
Rantai, who do you think?
Rantai
I still believe DxS is at this moment.
Kiddo-Kun
Lilac, how about you?
Lilac
If you saw what I wrote before, I stated DxS and Rantai.

I really didn't think pieguy was Mafia but coming from you, it might be...
Lilac
GAHHH, WTF?

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE SETUP? I'm think 2 Mafia, one of which has a roleblocking skill or some sort...
Rantai
The only thing we've got to go on in terms of setup is the last experimental game.

But considering LS would have shuffled the roles (take the executioner for example) there is no way we can tell. But for reference the last game was 2 mafia, 1 neutral (town win) and 6 townies.
Lilac
Unvote, Vote: DxS

Okay, lynching DxS will give us the safest route of option in terms of both contribution to and suspicion at this point. DxS has been a very silent player in this game and isn't contributing much, on top of that he's come up with something about stating pieguy being the cop and then not being the cop straight after like 3 or 4 posts.
Kiddo-Kun
Agreed.
Vote: DxS
Lilac
You already voted for him...

...What the hell?
Kiddo-Kun
I was already suspicious of him. Why the hell not?
Lilac
Oh yes, if anyone has objections OTHER THAN DxS himself, please feel free to voice them.

I'm only going off slight suspicion here and it only takes ONE more person. So please think this through.
Rantai
Vote: DxS

Hammer Time.
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
As the lynch was decided, DxS was hung.

DxS - Mafia Godfather - Lynched Day 3.

As you felt happy about that, you realize the host is messing with you.

DxS - Cop - Lynched D3 for real.

Lilac - Psychiatrist - Endgamed.

pieguy - Deputy - Endgamed.

Mafia win!
Rantai
Damn it LS, don't do that to me!

Anyway GG all :3
Haneii
o_o
Topic Starter
LadySuburu
(Rantai) (Relay Mason) Mafia Encryptor

(Kiddo) (Godfather) Mafia Strongman

(Wolf) Nurse - Becomes Quack doctor.

(DxS) Cop - Told he is a stalker cop. (Killed if target is killed.)

(NoHItter) (Miller) One-shot executioner - (Cop enabler.)

(Quar) Relay Mason

(Haneii) Doctor - Told is bulletproof.

(Pieguy) Deputy - Becomes Paranoid Cop.

(Lilac) Psychiatrist - Cures Nurse and Deputy.


Unused roles: (Changed before game start.)

Stalker Cop - Is killed if target is killed. Otherwise a normal cop.

Unnamed doctor role - Notifies mafia if he protects them. Otherwise a normal doctor.
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