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NoHitter
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I don't seem to get the Nightkill choice.
Haneii was the one who seemed most suspicious as she quick-hammered Swift.
After Haneii, I would prefer a MB lynch on the count of the odd phrasing of what he said.

Lilac wrote:

Well, that's it then.

Gute Nacht.

That reaction is something I wouldn't expect from town to say.

Bad luck is that we lost our Nurse and Doctor on the first phase.

I would like to hear more from pieguy and Kiddo-kun too. They just hopped in and voted.
They didn't participate in the discussion whatsoever.
pieguyn
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I don't get the NK choice either, it seems weird to me. Oh well~

Anyway, it might not seem like I was discussing much, but at that point I actually brought everything I had to the table. At that point in day 1, it is too early for me to figure anything out objectively, so I just voted based off a gut instinct.

At this point, I presume there are either 2 or 3 mafia. 3 mafia seems a bit much for a 9-person game IMO, so I'll go with 2 mafia, meaning we have one more free lynch before LYLO.

I'm not sure I like how NoHItter is trying to make Lilac look suspicious, when Lilac previously FoS'ed him. This might not really be valid, but I've got a gut feeling NoHitter is mafia, so I vote NoHItter
Kiddo-Kun
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I know I wasn't discussing much but I felt no need to deal with someone like Swiftwolf Yellowtail being retarded.
Don't worry, I'll try to participate more from now on.

Also if anyone, I think DeathxShinigami should be the one to speak up.

@pieguy: I think you shouldn't vote based on your gut feelings. Sure you can have them, but wait until you have something to back it up.
Lilac
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I said before if Yellowtail was lynched and turned up town, that NoHItter is definitely Mafia.

Also, whoever NK'd Haneii probably did the stupidest thing ever.
NoHitter
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Vote: MB777 (Lilac)
for reasons said earlier.

Could you also explain your reasoning behind if one flips town, the other must be scum.
Only scum would want to label people like that.
Rantai
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Hmm I honestly will not understand what was going through Swift's mind... better still the NK choice.

Anyway, looking at what's in front of us I'm not liking how Lilac is treating everything in absolutes or nonchalantly. I get the feeling he either knows something or is trying to stay as neutral as possible.
Rantai
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NoHItter you ninja.
Lilac
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It's just things I've seen in the past. Usually the one person who starts the bandwagon is mostly likely the one to be Mafia.

NoHItter wrote:

Only scum would want to label people like that.
Yeah...No. I'm sorry where did you get that from? Considering that I also didn't know where you got the suspicion that...

NoHItter wrote:

Haneii was the one who seemed most suspicious as she quick-hammered Swift.
NoHitter
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Wrong. You set up a dichotomy.
"If Swift is town, Hitter is scum, or vice versa."

I merely said "Haneii is suspicious because she hammered."

Setting up a dichotomy is wrong as you basically limit it to two choices - basically a False Dilemma. What I want to know is how you arrived at that dichotomy conclusion.

Lilac wrote:

It's just things I've seen in the past. Usually the one person who starts the bandwagon is mostly likely the one to be Mafia.
That is not always true. There are many cases where town vote first.
That's exactly why I disagree on the use of meta from other games. What happens in one game doesn't necessarily apply in other games.
Lilac
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Please read above.

Look, I'm saving you from another terrible decision.

You started voting for Yellowtail, you were wrong.

You FoS'd Haneii, you were wrong.

I don't think you're Mafia anymore, but I am still keeping my eye on you.
NoHitter
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Well then, who do you think is scum now?
Theoretically with 9 players, there would be 2.
Lilac
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I wish people would talk more.
Rantai
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Lilac wrote:

I wish people would talk more.
This, especially Q and DxS.
Rantai
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Oh more double posting, because I'm cool like that.

@Lilac

Interesting defense. We were basically all wrong about Swift's alignment and let's face it, Haneii's hammer was extremely suspicious.

You even agreed indirectly

Lilac wrote:

Also, whoever NK'd Haneii probably did the stupidest thing ever.
As I see it right now you've dodged his question about your 'Either Swift or NoHItter is mafia", backflipped saying you're not suspecting him of being mafia anymore while blaming him for something all of us were thinking (as far as I can tell).

Not convinced yet but I'm not liking it at all.
Lilac
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That's fine, I knew it was probably a selfish thing to blame all of it on NoHItter. I wish there were some aux roles that we know to help us...

Or even more people talking.
pieguyn
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All right, I find it really odd that Quaraezha made a bunch of posts day 1 and hasn't posted anything at all in day 2. Also, he kept voting and unvoting Swiftwolf on day 1.

I'd also like to hear from Kiddo-Kun and DxS. :?
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Just checking in and there is nothing much to say since nothing is going on.

Also, shall we prod DxS?
pieguyn
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I think we probably should.

If I had to name two people as mafia right now it'd be NoHItter and Quaraezha. Actually now that I realize it Quaraezha seems more suspicious to me than NoHItter, so unvote NoHItter, vote Quaraezha
Kiddo-Kun
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Can you give some reasoning behind that? It's not like I'm going to defend him (Depends on your argument, really). I just want to know what you find suspicious about him.

Oh and also Prod DxS
pieguyn
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For Quaraezha:

pieguy1372 wrote:

All right, I find it really odd that Quaraezha made a bunch of posts day 1 and hasn't posted anything at all in day 2. Also, he kept voting and unvoting Swiftwolf on day 1.
For NoHItter: Still mostly a gut feeling. :?
NoHitter
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Let me ask a question then:
Who do you think are the mafia? Chances are, there are two.
Rantai
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If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say Lilac and DxS.

Lilac because of my previously mentioned points.

DxS because all he's done is make one bandwagon vote.

There isn't much to work on but that's how it stands with me right now.
NoHitter
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Whoops forgot to answer my own question first.
MB777 and Kiddo-kun (gut only though)
No one is really pinging me that much.

Others need to post more.
DeathxShinigami
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Kiddo-Kun wrote:

Just checking in and there is nothing much to say since nothing is going on.

Also, shall we prod DxS?
Says the other one who hasn't spoken much.

Anywho...Haneii's death seems almost random though I can see why mafia targeted her because of how aggressive she played back in Day 1.

If anything I have to say at the moment Player Q's rather dodgy actions lately seems to suggest he "could be mafia" otherwise I don't have much thoughts at this point.
Lilac
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I initially thought NoHItter was Mafia. I was dead certain on voting for him if he said anything that would be scummy.

He didn't though, which made me reconsider my options at this point in time. I want to play really aggressively on this one as if you aren't being decisive, you aren't helping anyone you're just WIFOMing. (I still can't talk though.)

Vote: DxS
Lilac
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Reason: He's the only one that I got a feeling on of being Mafia, both being inactive and what he just said.

If NoHItter can have one shot, so can I.
DeathxShinigami
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Day 2's ending soon...

Going to go with my gut feeling and

Vote: Quaraezha

Seriously, have any of you noticed he hasn't posted at all since Day 2 began?
Kiddo-Kun
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

Day 2's ending soon...

Going to go with my gut feeling and

Vote: Quaraezha

Seriously, have any of you noticed he hasn't posted at all since Day 2 began?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Says the other one who hasn't spoken much.
Vote: DxS
NoHitter
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It does seem odd that Quaraezha is lurking atm.
DxS has a point.
I'm assuming that DxS' vote was a pressure vote.

Mod: How long until deadline? Also votecount? :)
Prod: Quaraezha
Rantai
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NoHItter wrote:

I'm assuming that DxS' vote was a pressure vote.
Pressure or easy way out?

Lilac wrote:

If NoHItter can have one shot, so can I.
That sounds so childish :P
LadySuburu
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Quar (2) - Pieguy, DxS
DxS (2) - Lilac, Kiddo

Deadline is in 1 day, and an hour. (Assuming I calculated right.)
Last edited by LadySuburu , edited 1 time in total.
NoHitter
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That wasn't a vote.
That was a prod.
LadySuburu
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NoHItter wrote:

That wasn't a vote.
That was a prod.
fixed.
Rantai
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Rantai
Ugh not much time left...

Vote: Quaraezha - Start talking.
NoHitter
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Vote: Quaraezha

Although I wouldn't want to advocate a lurker lynch at the moment, it seems that he isn't going to get replaced, and he won't talk at all.
Not talking is a great way for scum to hide.
LadySuburu
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Quar - Relay Mason - Lynched D2

It is now Night 2. Please send all night actions within 24 hours.
Quaraezha
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I don't have internet at home.
LadySuburu
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NoHItter - One-shot Executioner - Killed N2.

It is now day 3. With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is 4 days.
DeathxShinigami
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Hey Lilac, gonna rage more about why we should be lynching me today? Oh, and I know you're not mafia.
Lilac
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Well, NoHItter dying really helped me figure out who's Mafia.

Vote: Rantai Yeah, go work with DxS why don't you?
pieguyn
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Oh wow. Looks like I need to read the thread again :? I thought NoHItter was mafia...

/me rereads thread

First of all, Kiddo-Kun seems way too inactive for my tastes. I also strongly dislike his reason for not participating day 1. Even if Swiftwolf wasn't making good decisions, hiding like that means we have less information to go on in the future.

I can't get any good reads on DxS. Though DxS, how do you know Lilac isn't mafia? (or are you both mafia ;) ) Also, he asked if no one noticed that Quaraezha hadn't posted day 2 when I noticed it first. However, what he said about Lilac makes me think that either he's a cop, or that Lilac is a Friendly Neighbor.

Rantai was the person I was suspicious of first. Then on day 2 he said Lilac was suspicious, but didn't vote until someone else voted for Quaraezha. Perhaps he was trying to stay neutral, as to avoid suspicion. :?

I can't get any good reads on Lilac either, but I think it's a bit dangerous how he voted someone right at the start of day 3. (Unless, of course, Rantai is mafia, which I'm inclined to say is true) He also tried to make a setup day 1 ("one of these two people is mafia") which turned out to be entirely wrong. o.o

Anyway, I really want to hear about why DxS "knows" Lilac is not mafia. :? Also, I think we should be sure about it before voting someone today. FoS'ing Kiddo-Kun and Rantai because they're at the top of my list, for now. v_v
Lilac
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It's simple.

Whoever made the two NKs were killing the most suspicious people off. Which is pretty bad for the Mafia as they have to make town kill the each other...

So it's obviously people who are either not in touch with the thread or are REALLY bad at playing mafia.

Oh yeah, I've figured out why Kiddo isn't the Mafia. He's the Friendly Neighbour, not me.
Lilac
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Also, did something happen to you at night time, pieguy?

Like, a change in roles?
pieguyn
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nothing happened to me during the Night round (that I'm aware of) o.o why would you think that?

In that case, Kiddo-kun is innocent, leaving you, Rantai, and DxS. I'm inclined to say Rantai and DxS at this point. What does everyone else think?
NoHitter
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/dies
Good luck Town
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
Everyone else is fine except for DxS
Carrying over my vote from the day before into this day.
Vote DxS
DeathxShinigami
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pieguy: Are you cop or something?

Cause if you truly know that Kiddo is "innocent" We pretty much found out that Rantai is mafia.
Lilac
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Lilac
CALLING RANTAI.

Did your role happen to change at night?
Rantai
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DeathxShinigami wrote:

Hey Lilac, gonna rage more about why we should be lynching me today? Oh, and I know you're not mafia.
That's very interesting, how do you know that? Right now your line is coming off as a way to deflect Lilac's suspicion away from you.

That said, with this line I'm inclined to believe that Lilac isn't mafia.

pieguy1372 wrote:

Rantai was the person I was suspicious of first. Then on day 2 he said Lilac was suspicious, but didn't vote until someone else voted for Quaraezha. Perhaps he was trying to stay neutral, as to avoid suspicion.
At the time I found both Lilac and DxS suspicious but didn't feel strongly enough either way to vote for them. Q's vote was a pressure vote because we didn't have much time and he still hadn't responded to his prod.

- Oh you ninja's

@Lilac - No my role hasn't changed.
Lilac
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Then answer me.

Mafia or not? Because I am MORE THAN SURE you are.

Plus DxS. I'll bandwagon on him if he's got enough votes.
Rantai
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That sounds so damn suspicious.

But no, I am not a mafia.
DeathxShinigami
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Leaning towards pieguy is mafia now.

Also, I have a hunch pieguy isn't cop either considering what Rantai said could be true.
Lilac
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I want Kiddo-Kun's opinion on this.

Who do you think is Mafia, Kiddo? because I KNOW you are town.
Kiddo-Kun
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I thought DxS, but for some reason that opinion is starting to fade. Unvote
I guess it's him just talking more.

I'm thinking pieguy is mafia.
Lilac
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Rantai, who do you think?
Rantai
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I still believe DxS is at this moment.
Kiddo-Kun
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Lilac, how about you?
Lilac
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If you saw what I wrote before, I stated DxS and Rantai.

I really didn't think pieguy was Mafia but coming from you, it might be...
Lilac
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GAHHH, WTF?

DOES ANYONE KNOW THE SETUP? I'm think 2 Mafia, one of which has a roleblocking skill or some sort...
Rantai
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The only thing we've got to go on in terms of setup is the last experimental game.

But considering LS would have shuffled the roles (take the executioner for example) there is no way we can tell. But for reference the last game was 2 mafia, 1 neutral (town win) and 6 townies.
Lilac
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Unvote, Vote: DxS

Okay, lynching DxS will give us the safest route of option in terms of both contribution to and suspicion at this point. DxS has been a very silent player in this game and isn't contributing much, on top of that he's come up with something about stating pieguy being the cop and then not being the cop straight after like 3 or 4 posts.
Kiddo-Kun
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Agreed.
Vote: DxS
Lilac
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Lilac
You already voted for him...

...What the hell?
Kiddo-Kun
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Kiddo-Kun
I was already suspicious of him. Why the hell not?
Lilac
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Oh yes, if anyone has objections OTHER THAN DxS himself, please feel free to voice them.

I'm only going off slight suspicion here and it only takes ONE more person. So please think this through.
Rantai
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Vote: DxS

Hammer Time.
LadySuburu
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As the lynch was decided, DxS was hung.

DxS - Mafia Godfather - Lynched Day 3.

As you felt happy about that, you realize the host is messing with you.

DxS - Cop - Lynched D3 for real.

Lilac - Psychiatrist - Endgamed.

pieguy - Deputy - Endgamed.

Mafia win!
Rantai
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Rantai
Damn it LS, don't do that to me!

Anyway GG all :3
Haneii
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Haneii
o_o
LadySuburu
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(Rantai) (Relay Mason) Mafia Encryptor

(Kiddo) (Godfather) Mafia Strongman

(Wolf) Nurse - Becomes Quack doctor.

(DxS) Cop - Told he is a stalker cop. (Killed if target is killed.)

(NoHItter) (Miller) One-shot executioner - (Cop enabler.)

(Quar) Relay Mason

(Haneii) Doctor - Told is bulletproof.

(Pieguy) Deputy - Becomes Paranoid Cop.

(Lilac) Psychiatrist - Cures Nurse and Deputy.


Unused roles: (Changed before game start.)

Stalker Cop - Is killed if target is killed. Otherwise a normal cop.

Unnamed doctor role - Notifies mafia if he protects them. Otherwise a normal doctor.
Haneii
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"Told is bullet proof"

:(
Kiddo-Kun
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GG~ It's been fun
LadySuburu
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Haneii wrote:

"Told is bullet proof"

:(

Before role PMs went out, I had it so the unnamed doctor role was going to be paired with the bulletproof role. Then I decided not to use it this time and went with a false security sense.
LadySuburu
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The mafia players may post the link to the QT if they wish. I leave it up to them.
Rantai
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Sure, why not.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/XaGHsuULsW6sr
NoHitter
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I remember'd that I FOS'd Kiddo.
Stupid gut of mine.
Sigh you guys shouldn't push a lynch at Ly-Lo this early.

Comments:
DxS and Qua, if you're gonna play mafia and lurk, please be scum - you'll just hurt town. D:
Swift, please avoid acting like that in the future. Your comments just had yourself lynched as a strong power role.
At least, now I know the scum meta of majority of the players here. :D

Edit:
LS you like my quicktopic idea? ;)

Edit 2:
Being played like a violin am I? :/
You guys really should at least edit out the offensive posts before you post your quicktopic.

Also LS maybe make a better prodding system?
Rantai
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I'm sure it wasn't meant to be offensive :(
NoHitter
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Even so. I found it insulting. Never mind about it though.
(And that's why I don't enjoy playing in more than hosting. My scum radar is very off when I'm town, and I look too offensive sometimes when I'm scum.)
Two_old
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well, from how they were talking about you, I don't see how making their assessment more colorful by painting you as a violin is enough of a stretch to be offensive

thanks for the insight into kiddo-kun
NoHitter
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Well it's all about relativism.
Maybe for you it isn't that much, but for me it is.
Anyway, let's just not talk about it anymore. I regret opening up the discussion.
Two_old
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good lord you're sensitive
Lilac
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...

Goddamnit.
Lilac
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I was more than sure Kiddo was the other Relay Mason because he was the only other person who didn't vote for Qua.

But I should have thought the Relay Mason was also Mafia.
Kiddo-Kun
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Sorry, NoHItter. I meant in no way to be offensive.
pieguyn
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LadySuburu wrote:

(Rantai) (Relay Mason) Mafia Encryptor

(Kiddo) (Godfather) Mafia Strongman

pieguy1372 wrote:

FoS'ing Kiddo-Kun and Rantai because they're at the top of my list, for now. v_v
.................

.....................................

:?

also, I can't believe I got Rantai on the first day >.<

GG everyone :)

EDIT:

No-HItter wrote:

Sigh you guys shouldn't push a lynch at Ly-Lo this early.
This was exactly what I thought. @.@
LadySuburu
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NoHItter wrote:

Edit:
LS you like my quicktopic idea? ;)

Also LS maybe make a better prodding system?
It makes it easier so I can read the posts and enjoy it without having the mafia forward me each PM.

Also I'm watching those who aren't being active and preparing to issue suspensions from mafia games. I dislike prodding at all. (But it has to be done.)
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