even if the song was mainly used somewhere else the artist is still the same person from the same country
it is the same person afterall, i dont think there's any difference in meaning between different order.Ryu Sei wrote:
It's true that said artist might have different alias, but what I mean is the exclusivity. Consider these cases:Drum-Hitnormal wrote:
JP and CN both follow LN FN order. but artist page says different order sometimes as examples i have given above
there's always artist page that's available, and that name may or may not be same order as the song that you mapping, so i dont think there should be any exceptions. They could have a different alias, but i dont think their name order should change in different songsShould we enforce the name order regardless? I'm all in to song released in their native region and global, but unsure for outside-native exclusive edge case. Please enlighten me.
- Song released to artist's region, but not worldwide-focused
- Song released to worldwide
- Song released exclusively outside of the artist's region
having a mix of LN FN and FN LN in the game is also just confusing for most foreigners cause it's basically impossible to tell, for example, whether any given Japanese name is a first name or a family name if you don't know much about that part of the cultureDrum-Hitnormal wrote:
someone living in US might be more used to FN LN order, so its weird for them to see LN FN
but someone living in China who is used to LN FN order will be weird to see FN LN for JP romanised. since CN and JP is same order.
dont you find it weird that if you talk to your JP friend and you say the JP artist name in reverse order, your JP friend just could be confused right? isnt it better that everyone use the same name regardless which country? less confusion
enforcing order is very simple, theres no discussion needed. it just follows original or EN order all the timeaceticke wrote:
No thanks, I'd rather not enforce more name order changes than necessary, if an artist has an official order they go by primarily then we should use it, if not then unicode order is the most reliable option. Dipping into this territory opens up discussions based on unofficial ordering.
I agree, enforcing name order is just going to cause more confusion for metadata, especially when there are conflicting sources.aceticke wrote:
No thanks, I'd rather not enforce more name order changes than necessary, if an artist has an official order they go by primarily then we should use it, if not then unicode order is the most reliable option. Dipping into this territory opens up discussions based on unofficial ordering.
That's basically falling back to "follow existing ranked metadata". It's better to make it clear that we have standardisation rule to follow, and enforcing name order is simply falling back to "romanise Unicode character print order".Doormat wrote:
I think it should be an either/or case where both are allowed, but to at least have some common sense to keep naming order consistent
By "using common sense to keep it consistent" I mean like, in the example of multiple artists, to keep the naming order consistent regardless.Ryu Sei wrote:
That's basically falling back to "follow existing ranked metadata". It's better to make it clear that we have standardisation rule to follow, and enforcing name order is simply falling back to "romanise Unicode character print order".
It's more consistent and clear than having a mix of "LF, FL, LF, FL" kind of stuff in the romanised artist field.
Now, I want to ask: in that particular case, why do you think mixing up L and F order in one artist field is fine?
Enforcing order can create just as much confusion, e.g. the example I used with the mandopop singer. Do we use his English name that he attributes the credits to, or do we go with a romanization of his Chinese name? If we enforce the unicode order then people are likely going to have no idea who the artist is unless they look at the tags.Drum-Hitnormal wrote:
if were to respect artist wish (follow their prefered order), thats where confusion arise, enforcing order in all cases no exception is very simple and clear that produce consistent result
this should be added into your proposal then, if this was added then i would have no problem with the hard enforce. maybe reword the rule into something like this:Drum-Hitnormal wrote:
does artist have a special english name, yes apply it, no just a romanisation with unicode order. dont need consider anything else.