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[invalid] Fixing Hard Rock and Doubletime for Catch the Beat
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Im not a CTB player but if this is as broken as you said, then it does need a fix.
Oh yes, I don't like CtB. That has many reasons. This is one.
They don't change the margin of error, they physically make Ryuuta go a little bit faster than he should go with DT, and a little slower in HT. With DT, I've noticed that for some really difficult jumps without DT become as difficult as any other jump in the map with DT. And in HT, with Ryuuta's sluggish speed, there are some fruits that you can't walk, which you can without HT.Shiirn wrote:
What non-seasoned catch the beat players do not realize, is that halftime and doubletime have a very special bit of coding in them. They decrease or increase the margin of error within hyperfruit coding.
Even if I were wrong, I think I remember a long time ago that MM201 said something about the hyperdash code being... really complicated... or something. Still though, lots of support on this.
You may also want to see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=56606 because it also involves reworking a mod's effects (in terms of AR and circle size), so you can fine tune your suggestions.
CtB has needed an overhaul and fixes like this for a while, and they will come in due time. Unfortunately, the fixes are just too low in priority compared to more important issues. Here's hoping for the future!
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:~|Derekku wrote:
more important issues.
I agree with what you said about DT, but I think HR is fine as is. HR is indeed quite hard, but often if you put in the effort to get a HR score you'll find that it's generally a pretty safe bet when it comes to keeping a #1.
I mean, I guess you could consider this.pieguy1372 wrote:
I agree with what you said about DT, but I think HR is fine as is. HR is indeed quite hard, but often if you put in the effort to get a HR score you'll find that it's generally a pretty safe bet when it comes to keeping a #1.
I just don't understand what the problem with DT is, HR is fine imo, just a bit crazy due to AR & fruit size decreasing dramatically. I just don't like DT because Ryuuta is just harder to use depending on the default AR on the map already if you understand what sense I'm trying to make.
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The main issue i see with HR is that it turns both AR8 (very readable and what can be called the "default" AR for a good ctb map) and AR9 (much much faster, harder to read, and requires a lot of ctb experience + map prediction) into AR10 (fruit minigun)
Basically in DT some jumps are impossible because the game places hyperdashes incorrectly...
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That's...the point i was making.pieguy1372 wrote:
Basically in DT some jumps are impossible because the game places hyperdashes incorrectly...
I was talking to Hika, who seemed to want a clarification. I already said I agree with you about DT. 
Not really, with AR8 in hardrock is easy to pass, with AR9 you need to learn the map but is possible.Shiirn wrote:
The main issue i see with HR is that it turns both AR8 (very readable and what can be called the "default" AR for a good ctb map) and AR9 (much much faster, harder to read, and requires a lot of ctb experience + map prediction) into AR10 (fruit minigun)
With AR8 in DT is easy to pass again, but with AR9 is really, really impossible, fruits fall incredibly fast, I can't read that.
HR is really fine. But in DT maybe can fix the hyperdash, it's really discouraging see that the map is impossible with doubletime.
I'm not an expert, but the hardrock is posible anyway, not with DT.
I mean, what he's saying is, AR8 WITH HR. Not AR8 that is created by HR.eldnl wrote:
Not really, with AR8 in hardrock is easy to pass, with AR9 you need to learn the map but is possible.
With AR8 in DT is easy to pass again, but with AR9 is really, really impossible, fruits fall incredibly fast, I can't read that.
It's highly impossible to do an AR9 + HR obviously. Well at least that's what I think.
pieguy1372 wrote:
I agree with what you said about DT, but I think HR is fine as is. HR is indeed quite hard, but often if you put in the effort to get a HR score you'll find that it's generally a pretty safe bet when it comes to keeping a #1.
You guys are idiots. AR7 + HR ~= AR 8 + HR = AR 9 + HR = AR 10 (+/- HR)Hika wrote:
I mean, what he's saying is, AR8 WITH HR. Not AR8 that is created by HR.eldnl wrote:
Not really, with AR8 in hardrock is easy to pass, with AR9 you need to learn the map but is possible.
With AR8 in DT is easy to pass again, but with AR9 is really, really impossible, fruits fall incredibly fast, I can't read that.
It's highly impossible to do an AR9 + HR obviously. Well at least that's what I think.
That's what Shiirn said from the very beginning.JesusYamato wrote:
osu!Standard HR = AR*1.4
Isn't it the same for ctb?
Been quite a long time since people started mentioning "CtB overhaul".Derekku wrote:
CtB has needed an overhaul and fixes like this for a while, and they will come in due time.
Maybeziin wrote:
You guys are idiots. AR7 + HR ~= AR 8 + HR = AR 9 + HR = AR 10 (+/- HR)Hika wrote:
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I mean, what he's saying is, AR8 WITH HR. Not AR8 that is created by HR.
It's highly impossible to do an AR9 + HR obviously. Well at least that's what I think.
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AR is a lot more evident for CtB, however, since cross-screen regular dashes are almost impossible to sightread without being aware of them to begin with on higher ARs.JesusYamato wrote:
osu!Standard HR = AR*1.4
Isn't it the same for ctb?
Shiirn wrote:
I for one am kind of bored of seeing HD scores topping 90% of maps worth mentioning and HR and DT only being used on lower difficulties.
Perhaps 70% or less
now a day people skill up,lot of the old map only has HID because they not yet play it again
DT broken From hyperdash broken
For CTB, hyperdash every small change will cause great changes
While you're at this you might aswell check out standar HR bonus which is clearly unrewarding.
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