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Experimental Mafia (Game Over - Town Win Host Lose)

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foulcoon
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foulcoon

Two wrote:

because we both know that I already answered the question in the post you are asking the question about

since I realize that there has been communication problems in this game, though, I'll bite:

for the 3rd or 4th time, ph0x, Lilac, and rust45 are the mafia in this game
lol... Ph0X u readin' brah?

I don't know whether or not to believe Two and Rolled but its getting slightly more convincing as we go. Coupled with the fact that no matter how much I defended you Ph0X you still decide to throw suspicion my way, I have a lot of thinking to do. I am not mafia, I think everybody knows this by now.
Two_old
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Two_old
If this:
SPOILER

Two wrote:

We already know for a fact that our role setup doesn't resemble anything from that topic. Yet another weak post. Here is my full theory:

Two:cop 1
foulcoon:sensor 2
quaraezha:mason 3
animask:mason \\ ph0x:mason (yeah right rofl) 4
chris: bus driver 5
rust45: mafia 6
Lilac: mafia 7
ph0x: mafia \\ animask:mafia (yeah right rofl) 8

but then we get to rolled, the 9th player, which we can then conclude two things (if the rest is right):

1. rolled isn't mason
2. rolled is either the sole vanilla town, or he is aux as well

since I find it unlikely that rolled is the sole vanilla town, and since this game is called "experimental mafia", I think the experiment was this: there is no vanilla town

so are you aux rolled? that would confirm my theory, but even if he isn't we can still assume that he is the sole vanilla and that 3 aux + 2 masons are overpowered enough for there to be 3 mafia
I'd like to thank rust45 for allowing me to flesh all of this out. Without him I wouldn't have realized there were 3 mafia, and without him I wouldn't have confirmed animask's innocence. Thanks bud.
Nope, rust confirmed that Rolled is town. Thanks for that too.

Rolled wrote:

my role does have a special ability
[and the related rust posts that I'm too lazy to include]

and the way ph0x and rust have been acting aren't enough to convince you, then really there is nothing that will
Two_old
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Two_old
THE DAY ENDS IN 14 HOURS

I hate you all for being so apathetic
Two_old
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Two_old
vote: Lilac
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Vote: Two

Forgot about the reset.
Two_old
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Two_old
and there is your irrefutable proof that ph0x is mafia: any logical person wouldn't have voted for rust or me (he says he thinks there are 2 mafia, remember)
foulcoon
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foulcoon
For some of us its a game of chance at this point. I would much rather put my vote on you or rust just because one of you is mafia. 50-50 chance here.
Two_old
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Two_old
no you wouldn't foulcoon because that's wrong

there are 4 town 3 mafia

if you vote for rust, it will be a tie breaker at best since I already voted (I assumed lilac was the only person we could collectively agree on)

explain to me why you are against lynching lilac for information when you already know that rust or I is town? you said yourself 2 mafia voted for quaraezha so you should have no problem with lilac
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Lilac?

Mind posting?
Lilac
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Lilac
Oh sure.

It's kinda getting hectic when I just got back my internet. Reading back on it, Two is kinda getting desperate but I'm leaning to believe that Two's emotions are getting the better of him.

...Not sure... I'm leaning towards voting Two because of my earlier statements about him. Reading on it more, though.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
How many mafia do you think there are?
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Ph0X wrote:

How many mafia do you think there are?
^ Question to all players (except Two, because he doesn't like clearly stating answers).

I think there are two mafia myself.
Lilac
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Lilac
Question time, alright.

The possibility of 3 mafia is possible, but I'm thinking that it really isn't the case... I'm saying 90% that it's two...
rust45
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rust45
I still think there are only two mafia, as I said in my other post regarding this. Sure the role setup is different then the ones in the topic (a confirmed mason and possible sensor) but most of what Two said was role speculation and I don't think LS would change the ratio of town to scum for the game.
Rolled
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Rolled
Obviously, most people will assume there are two mafia members. However, having three mafia members doesn't seem to out-there of a possibility.

And since there is a possibility of three members, lynching one of the two cop-claims can lose us the game. So unless you're 100% certain that there's only two mafia members, lynching rust/two isn't the smartest choice you can make.
Rolled
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Rolled
Vote: Lilac
rust45
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rust45
Wait a second, the day isn't ending that soon. Two said the deadline is gonna be 11 hours. Using my time, that would be the 10th of July at 11:16 AM, but the day started on the 6th of July at 11:16 AM. Wouldn't this make the deadline the 11th of July at 11:16 AM? Not the 10th? Or am I messing up my math?
Rolled
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Rolled
Two messed up the deadline. Scumpaint opportunity!
Two_old
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Two_old
yes the day is ending that soon

yes you can't do math

and yes you are bad at this game
rust45
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rust45

Two wrote:

yes the day is ending that soon

yes you can't do math

and yes you are bad at this game
False
False and...
Maybe

Anyway, I need to sleep, don't worry I'll vote as I plan on getting up before 11:16 AM on Monday(Not Sunday).
Lilac
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Lilac
Vote: Two

Earlier stuff I talked about, HoS, Emotional wreck and I probably won't have the internet tomorrow.
Two_old
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Two_old
another admission of guilt

magnificent
Lilac
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Lilac
You've lost the plot, haven't you?
Two_old
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Two_old
Plot? It simply makes no sense for town to vote for me unless they think that there not only is 3 mafia, but that I am a member of the 3 mafia team. And who would my team mates be? That is where your fake argument would fall apart. So thanks for claiming, and be sure to thank rust45 for selling ph0x and you out.
Lilac
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Lilac
You've done nothing but spit conjecture.

IF foulcoon was sensor.

IF you are the cop.

In fact, you're whole argument is only structured on those two statements, if either of those are false, your argument becomes moot.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Oh look, someone who pays attention.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Also, to help resolve the day end confusion:

Day 2 start post

Here, it shows: Wed Jul 06, 2011 2:16 pm

My last post shows: Sun Jul 10, 2011 5:04 am

With a bit of magic, we easily discern that 3 days, 14 hours, and 48 minutes have elapsed between the two posts.

That means we have just above 9 hours until the day ends.

I am going to sleep now, so unless I awaken late (probably), I'll be able to reconsider my vote. But until then, my vote sticks.

Vote: Two
Two_old
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Two_old
you already voted for me dawg

or are you hoping for some kind of psychological effect?

pretty sure foulcoon isn't dumb, and I think animask trusts rolled, foulcoon and I collectively more than you, so tough luck
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Still voting for Two tho...

Vote: Two

24 hour reset thing?

@Two, if you turn out cop then we'll believe you. (and possibly go through with your plan)
If mafia, then I'll have successfully predicted mafia for the first time ever.
Think of this as a sacrifice for now...

If something else happens, I'd vote for Ph0X next day. (That's just me though.)
foulcoon
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I guess it doesn't really matter if I vote now considering that's 3 for two and rust will follow. Its 4 to lynch, I hope for your sake animask that Two is mafia. As for the night, I would like to hear who rust plans to investigate. If Two turns out to be mafia, you may just be the night kill. If two is town, gg well played mafia.
Two_old
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Two_old
yep, we lose

good job animask, good job foulcoon

and no it wasn't well played by mafia, you'd know that if you read the thread at all

cutting myself
rust45
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rust45
I'm still sure of myself that the day isn't ending that soon. But I'm getting tired of this day and as someone else said. His arguments are based off of two things that are not confirmed to be true(him being cop, and foul being sensor). With that said, I'm gonna Vote: Two
foulcoon
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foulcoon

Two wrote:

yep, we lose

good job animask, good job foulcoon

and no it wasn't well played by mafia, you'd know that if you read the thread at all

cutting myself
don't good job me bro, my vote doesn't matter this time around.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Also, Two could be the mafia rolecop... (setups in the OP link)

To Ph0X's old question that I just saw after re-reading.

I think there are 2 mafia members. This makes sense if you
compare the previous HNM and the possible setups mentioned
earlier.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Uh, day should have ended?

LS posted in another thread...

Mod: Should not the day have ended already?
Lilac
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Lilac
Ballot Box Manager: Once per game, can use his ablility to reset the votes in the box. This ability is able to be used up to 12 hours past the official deadline. (Yes, this means even if not present in the game, I am allowing 12 hours of discussion PAST the lynch deadline, or when someone is lynched via votes.)
Well, what now?
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
What should we talk about now?

Is the mod even here? Where is Suburu?
Lilac
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Lilac
Suburu is always here.

Suburu is always watching.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Lilac wrote:

Suburu is always here.

Suburu is always watching.
Suburu is ceiling cat.
rust45
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rust45

Lilac wrote:

Ballot Box Manager: Once per game, can use his ablility to reset the votes in the box. This ability is able to be used up to 12 hours past the official deadline. (Yes, this means even if not present in the game, I am allowing 12 hours of discussion PAST the lynch deadline, or when someone is lynched via votes.)
Well, what now?
I would think LS would inform us if the Manager used there ability.
Two_old
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Two_old

foulcoon wrote:

don't good job me bro, my vote doesn't matter this time around.
it didn't matter once rust voted (nice confidence in your math there)(and which hadn't happened when I posted that), unless your vote would have swayed animask which no one knows
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Uh...?
rust45
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rust45
MOD: Why hasn't the day ended yet?
rust45
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rust45
Vote: Two
Maybe I was right with my math and LS didn't notice there were four posts on Two before the reset.
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Vote: rust
Rolled
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Rolled
Vote: LadySuburu
LadySuburu
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Sorry, stuff came up.

Anyway...

It seems the box where you put your votes went missing. All votes have been reset.

24 Hour extention from this point.
Lilac
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lol, Ballot Box Manager.
Two_old
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Two_old
ballot box manager throws a wrench in my role list, so all we can be sure of at this point is that rust45 is mafia

vote rust45
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
something less than FoS on rust45

I'm still going to...

vote Two...?

I'm starting to think Two is the ballot box manager...

or the manager thinks that Two is innocent...

or ballot box manager is mafia...

Two_old
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Two_old
animask if we were in highschool I would vote you most likely to get strangled by me

just vote for rust45 ffs, you don't even understand this thread at all
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Nah...

Vote: Two

HoS on Ph0X and Two
Two_old
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Two_old

animask wrote:

Nah...

Vote: Two

HoS on Ph0X and Two
explain your terrifying thought process
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Is it possible to confirm that there actually is a ballot box manager? Was that a role-claim Lilac?
Two_old
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Two_old
it's already been confirmed that there is a ballot box manager, but yeah it makes no sense for them not to roleclaim now since it's once per game
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@Two, Ph0X is still acting strange and has voted for rust45. I can obviously see the errors in his ways, but I get the feeling
that Ph0X is trying to ignore me. He just seems strange... I know that doesn't sound like a good argument, but I just have a feeling. You on the other hand are still avoiding to give me your facts as to why rust45 is mafia. You may think this is some tunnel-vision, but I want your lynch in order to confirm if you are cop or mafia. Even if rust is mafia, I am really curious as to what yourrole/alignment actually is. At first you said that you were lying about being cop (possibly to scoop out a mafia counter-claim who happened to be rust), but I get the feeling that rust is mafia because of his last few scum-tells.

tl;dr I feel like you're trying to distract me somehow...
Two_old
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Two_old
animask you have got to be trolling me

you really just don't care about this game and have been trying to get under my skin the whole time, right?

cause pretty much nothing you said matches up with what has actually been said/happened in the thread (for example, I never said I lied about being cop)
foulcoon
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foulcoon
was about to post the same thing...
Lilac
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Lilac
Truth be told, no-one knows that your cop. Or that the role of cop even exists.

Obviously you being "roleblocked" sounds like a very "convenient" excuse of not turning up results.
Two_old
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Two_old
It's also convenient to say rolled is town. And you really think it's likely that I lied about being sane when I explained why I know for sure I am sane? And I take it you aren't the ballot box manager, then?
Two_old
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Two_old
and by the way, I thought for sure we had already lost the game yesterday (when I had 4 votes on me)

anyone who had any doubts about me really being a cop & town could just read my posts from then to know that I am
foulcoon
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foulcoon
vote: Lilac

because if you're not ballot box manager, you're probably mafia.
Two_old
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Two_old
oh my god

I seriously quit this game
Ph0X
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I really voted on Two to see who would hop on the bandwagon.

That's why I am voting for rust.

Vote: rust

I'm sure the smarter readers can figure me out.
Lilac
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I'm pretty sure if you've read previously, someone else has already claimed ballot box manager.

So I can't really do anything can I? Also Two, your argument REALLY sucks. You should REALLY try harder next time and don't let your emotions take over. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SENSOR, and you are NOT the cop.

Unvote, Vote: Lilac Now I can sleep better tonight.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
Nobody has role-claimed ballot box manager. Also read the mafia wiki if you think there is no such thing.

Not really sure why you would vote for yourself brah but I'll leave mine for good measure for now.
Lilac
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Lilac
No-one has outright claimed it...

...But if you were to read the topic, someone fits the description very well.
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LadySuburu
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Searching for a replacement for Two.
foulcoon
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foulcoon

LadySuburu wrote:

Searching for a replacement for Two.
jokes?
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

foulcoon wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

Searching for a replacement for Two.
jokes?
I recieved a PM requesting replacement.
Lilac
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Lilac
No. He's serious.

I would be too. I really can't sleep right now.
foulcoon
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foulcoon
so I made two quit mafia?
rust45
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rust45
I don't blame him, you could tell he was so freaking pissed off in his posts.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
0_o replaces Two.
0_o
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0_o
Maaaan I wish I hadn't have skipped over the walls of text while following this.
0_o
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OK I honestly don't have the energy to go through this entire thread again tonight, so I won't be able to go into too much analysis. I actually did think rust was the real cop, mainly because of Two's claim that LS told him he was sane, which is something I didn't think LS would confirm (again, I've only been skimming).

So then I receive my PM, and oh look, I'm a cop.

The only scenario in my mind that LS would include 2 cops is if one was insane, and if this was the case LS never would have divulged that info. So I'm pretty sure I'm voting for rust, but I'll leave it til tomorrow when maybe I can get a readthrough in.
Rolled
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Rolled
Vote: Rust

Reasoning is obvious.
Ph0X
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0_o wrote:

OK I honestly don't have the energy to go through this entire thread again tonight, so I won't be able to go into too much analysis. I actually did think rust was the real cop, mainly because of Two's claim that LS told him he was sane, which is something I didn't think LS would confirm (again, I've only been skimming).

So then I receive my PM, and oh look, I'm a cop.

The only scenario in my mind that LS would include 2 cops is if one was insane, and if this was the case LS never would have divulged that info. So I'm pretty sure I'm voting for rust, but I'll leave it til tomorrow when maybe I can get a readthrough in.
Remember, you have just 19 hours.
0_o
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0_o

Ph0X wrote:

Remember, you have just 19 hours.
Yep. I'll have til ~7pm tomorrow so that should be enough time.
0_o
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0_o
Alright I was busier than I thought today and couldn't get all the way through, but I just realized that Two voted for rust after the votes were reset so I'm already stuck in that vote anyway.

Sooo yeah, I'll get back to you guys Day 3 (hopefully).
0_o
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0_o

LadySuburu wrote:

24 Hour extention from this point.
(29 hours ago)
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

0_o wrote:

LadySuburu wrote:

24 Hour extention from this point.
(29 hours ago)
Hey, you're right.

One second.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Rust dies.

He was Mafia Rolecop.

Lilac turns himself in to the police.

He was Mafia Roleblocker.

Host slaps self for using overpowered roles.

Host was stupid.

END GAME TOWN WIN
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Host notes:

Bus Driver shouldn't target self, as awesome as it is.
I hate roleblockers.
Sensor is overpowered.
Masons are fine when not confirmed.
Box Manager can turn the tide of games.
0_o
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0_o
Wow. Kinda glad I didn't read it all now.

rolelist please
LadySuburu
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0_o - Cop
animask - Townie Mason
foulcoon - Sensor
Ph0x - Box Manager
rust45 - Mafia Role Cop
Rolled - Friendly Neighbor
Lilac - Mafia Roleblocker
Quaraezha - Townie Mason
Chris - Bus Driver (Town)

Cop was sane.
Masons didn't know alignment.
Sensor is STILL op.
Box was PM only.
Friendly Neighbor is fine, though wasn't used.
Bus Driver still shouldn't target self.
LadySuburu
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More notes:

I knew mafia had lost during the first use of sensor's ability. Expecially considering who they blocked and killed. I gave them a little more chance by allowing the bus driver to swap even though roleblocked, since chris sent the command early. I am keeping that rule for future situations, but not allowing drivers to swap selves.

Priority > Order in which I recieve.

If Priority = Priority, then order.
Two_old
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Two_old
so basically if you people just listened to me 10 pages ago we'd have won by then
rust45
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rust45
I have to say, this was a horrible experience as mafia, especially since there were overpowered Town roles.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

so basically if you people just listened to me 10 pages ago we'd have won by then
Just because you were right doesn't mean your reasoning was sound.
Two_old
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Two_old
I agree, but it was
Rolled
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Rolled
Rust's cop claim was pretty good imo. It was pretty much required, but still a good play.
rust45
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Oh yeah, question, why did MB turn himself in? Did he just give up or something? Or did you decide another day would be pointless?
Two_old
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Two_old
yeah like he planned for it to make people think there were 3 mafia
Lilac
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Two wrote:

yeah like he planned for it to make people think there were 3 mafia
lol, I didn't say anything about that. Yeah, I gave up. Didn't think I'd win. Another day WOULD have been pointless.
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