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0_o
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0_o
If Two is telling the truth that there is no replacement leader then there really isn't any point in lynching him, as the only way he can win now is if he is the last one standing. Even if he is lying, and he did recruit someone who became the new leader after he died (a priest, perhaps?), I still don't lynching him would accomplish much, as we should be focusing on finding mafia.

Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
With cults it's literally beat them or join them.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.

If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
adam2046
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adam2046

NoHItter wrote:

If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I wouldn't believe anything he says, but there's not much we can do in terms of finding someone randomly picked who may or may not actually exist.
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
I concur, I still think there is another person out there who is part of the cult. To only have one member to begin with would seem too...easy...

I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
Two_old
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Joined March 2008
Two_old
believe me or not, I was put into a memberless cult
0_o
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0_o
I was under the impression that cults always started with only one person? Just from what I've read in the wikis at least.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
It does make sense for the cult to start memberless (nothing but a leader), and it would simply be the leader's job to recruit every night to make it a true "cult".

Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).

Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.

Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.

(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Two_old
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Two_old
you are forgetting that I scanned someone
rust45
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rust45

Quaraezha wrote:

What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.

(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Nightkilling twice would be way overpowered. If it targeted mafia they would probably get another night action to use.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.

Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
At the same time I'm also gonna imply that Two didn't use his powers on you.
Mashley
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Mashley
Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
0_o
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0_o
I have only targetted one person so far, and it wasn't NoHItter. It's possible my action was shoved onto him somehow though..
rust45
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rust45
Yes I did target Hitter last night. And I will say that my action was the one that changed his role. But I had no idea how it would change the role when I used it.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Which animask post did you use the lie detector ability on?
0_o
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0_o
Oh right, forgot to say that I'm pretty sure my action had nothing to do with his post restriction/motivation.
Mashley
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Mashley
@ Lybydose: This one

animask wrote:

He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...

I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.

@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
If we believe 0_o, and I am inclined to, that leaves us with 5 possible mafia:
  1. Lybydose
  2. Lilac
  3. DxS
  4. Quaraezha
  5. adam2046
Of these, if we assume 3 mafia, I would pick Lybydose, DxS and adam. Lyby's actions seem quite hostile and to me it doesn't seem like he's trying to scumhunt. DxS is similarly hostile acting, though that's more of a hunch. adam2046 is in there because he's adam and this is Host's Poison; it seems likely that he would be picked as a mafioso, that's all :P.
Q we really haven't heard enough from to judge, so he' be the fourth if there are four I think. Lilac just generally seems innocent to me and then of course there's that little note from before which didn't seem to fit a member of the mafia.
Sorry if I forgot something, this game is hectic.

Anyway, for now I'm going to vote Lybydose because he is my strongest FoS.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Can you explain how an "animask is not lying in that post" clears him?
Mashley
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Mashley
Because he says he is a townie in it.
adam2046
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adam2046

Mashley wrote:

adam2046 is in there because he's adam and this is Host's Poison; it seems likely that he would be picked as a mafioso, that's all :P.
:(

I think I'm missing some information here.
What clears NoHItter, 0_o and rust?
Mashley
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Mashley
rust, 0_o and animask have all targeted NoHItter since the start of the game. There were 2 actions targeted at nohitter since the start of the game, and 0_o's has been redirected onto nohitter. Read the thread again, you'll get it.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
ehh I can kind of see what you mean, but animask's first line seems like a tautology to me due to the use of the term "probably".

Here, example:

Say there's a 10 person game with 2 mafia. I select a person at random and say "This person is probably townie". The statement is true no matter who I chose because there's an 80% chance he's townie.
adam2046
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adam2046

Lybydose wrote:

ehh I can kind of see what you mean, but animask's first line seems like a tautology to me due to the use of the term "probably".

Here, example:

Say there's a 10 person game with 2 mafia. I select a person at random and say "This person is probably townie". The statement is true no matter who I chose because there's an 80% chance he's townie.
It would actually mean that Two deemed it necessary to investigate animask and found that he is townie.
Which I find kind of funny.
How does the lie detector work anyway? Does it say if there's a lie in the post somewhere or do you have to plug in specific parts of the post?
And you can use it twice every day, once at night and once during the day?

Mashley wrote:

rust, 0_o and animask have all targeted NoHItter since the start of the game. There were 2 actions targeted at nohitter since the start of the game, and 0_o's has been redirected onto nohitter. Read the thread again, you'll get it.
No, I'm asking because I don't get it. How does people targeting NoHItter = town?
0_o
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0_o
Yeah seeing as everyone is getting multi-abilitied roles I'm thinking the mafia probably has some abilities too. One of the targetters very well could have been a mafia with a post-restriction ability. And how is Hitter confirmed?
Two_old
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Two_old

NoHItter wrote:

Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
host crossed off leader when you saw my role, remember?

@mashley, dumb to say wojjan is the bomb if they are

and since his name is now up, I'll just say that I scanned deathxshinigami and he's not mafia

edit: and I'd like to add that I'm still for a NoHItter lynch
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

Mashley wrote:

Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector

Mafia Wiki wrote:

The Forensic Investigator is a pro-Town informative role that has the ability to analyze a player's 'body' once they have been 'killed'. The Forensic Investigator is then given a list of player's names who targeted the 'dead' player since the beginning of the game.

Can you analyze Two? Since he did die once, just still alive.
Maybe we can know who resurrected him and stuff.

Also

Lie Detector Mafia Wiki wrote:

In one form of the role, the Lie Detector's ability is lost if he tells the other players, or they work out, what his ability is.
So it can be a possibility.

Two wrote:

NoHItter wrote:

Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
host crossed off leader when you saw my role, remember?
That's because you died.
It's possible that someone else has become Cult Member and became leader after you died.
You just happened to be resurrected afterwards (as member)
Two_old
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Two_old
how do you plan on knowing who resurrected me by fact checking my posts lol?

I can understand checking for other things, but even then you already know that I'm not mafia, and worst case scenario for you all is that town assimilates into the cult and wins that way
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
Two_old
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Two_old
oh I didn't read the forensic investigator part (sry I don't take you that seriously yet, I just skim through your posts)

well a lot of people targeted me night 1, that's for sure
adam2046
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adam2046

Quaraezha wrote:

Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
Why?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
It's safe to assume many have targetted you and NoHItter.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

adam2046 wrote:

Quaraezha wrote:

Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
Why?
Just something that has been bothering me is how Two was resurrected.
It's nothing that important, just thinking it might be useful for town.
That is, if the role can resurrect more than once.
adam2046
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adam2046

Quaraezha wrote:

Just something that has been bothering me is how Two was resurrected.
It's nothing that important, just thinking it might be useful for town.
That is, if the role can resurrect more than once.
I don't see how that's useful for town at all...
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
If there was ever a town who got Nightkilled and his roles are very useful.
Lybydose
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Lybydose

Quaraezha wrote:

Can you analyze Two? Since he did die once, just still alive.
Maybe we can know who resurrected him and stuff.
He said he already inspected NoHItter, not Two. Since NoHItter didn't die, I think it's safe to assume that his role actually targets living people.

Also Mashley, I'm not sure how revealing who targetted NoHItter really clears any of those people (or NoHItter himself). It does clear you though, since those people are able to confirm that you aren't lying.

@adam: well, that person could resurrect dead townies. Take a look at Haneii: he's a stalker/watcher/enabler. That's a pretty powerful investigative combination, in addition to enabling someone else to do...something.
adam2046
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adam2046

Lybydose wrote:

@adam: well, that person could resurrect dead townies
But, they can do that without having their role revealed...
I don't see the logic here.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Now I'm not sure anymore
Maybe so we can confirm their role and avoid lynching
I'm just throwing out reasons.

Bah, forget it.
adam2046
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adam2046

Quaraezha wrote:

Bah, forget it.
Maybe.
0_o
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0_o

Quaraezha wrote:

Maybe so we can confirm their role and avoid lynching
Which would also confirm their nightkill.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Oh he wanted that person to reveal? Yeah that's a bad idea. Worst case scenario, that person can reveal if they are close to being lynched.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Still just a little confused.
So Mashley can use his Forensic Science ability to people who are still alive? (NoHItter)
Lybydose
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Lybydose
I guess so? Either that or he's lying. I don't think he's lying though. LS probably just altered the role so that he uses it on live people rather than dead.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha

Lybydose wrote:

LS probably just altered the role so that he uses it on live people rather than dead.
If that's the case. It's either just alive or alive+dead.
Mashley
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Mashley
afaik I can analyse anyone except those who died on night one.
Also, I just got PM from Suburu saying that she made a mistake with the PM and 0_o did not target NoHItter. Damnit, Suburu. But I am still inclined to thing 0_o is town, as his responses just seem that way to me. I'm less certain tough.
Anyway, the two abilities we've seen used on NoHItter don't really seem like mafia roles to me - they both publicly revealed information about him that was beneficial to the town. Still, none of the people I mentioned are 100% cleared; that post is just my thoughts and I understand if you're skeptical of them.
0_o
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0_o
animask, what do you have to say about Mashley's results?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I am a townie.

Everyone follow my example and Mashley basically becomes standard cop.
0_o
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0_o

Wojjan wrote:

I am a townie.

Everyone follow my example and Mashley basically becomes standard cop.
Good idea, but "pro-town" is a better term since "townie" can imply a vanilla townie.

I am pro-town.
Mashley
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Mashley
Yes please, I especially want Lybydose DxS and adam to post that ;)
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I am pro-town.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Might as well come clean.
I was a town copycat, but my role last night was changed to a miller-survivor. I still have my copycat ability though.
0_o
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0_o

NoHItter wrote:

Might as well come clean.
I was a town copycat, but my role last night was changed to a miller-survivor. I still have my copycat ability though.
So were you lying about your post restriction?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
No I wasn't. I have a post restriction.
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
~

Role claim: Compulsive Doctor

Always having to protect a player is such hard work and no I didn't revive Two and I protected someone different anyways...
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Why did you roleclaim?
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Cause everyone else is mass roleclaiming about what they can do...

inb4 All those who don't roleclaim are mafia
adam2046
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adam2046
I am pro-town.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
btw, what does Compulsive mean?
adam2046
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adam2046
They have to use their ability.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Okay.

DxS also didn't mention that he was pro-town, might be possible that he's neutral alignment.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Day end. No more posts.

------------------------------------------------------------

The day ended with virually nobody voting. There were three people up for lynch: NoHItter, animask, and Lybydose.

So, first come first killed.

NoHItter - Lynched D2.

It is now night 2. 24 hours.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
It seems there's a lot of people missing today.

You can't find Lybydose, DxS, or animask anywhere.

Lybydose - Killed N2
DxS - Killed N2
animask - Killed N2

Day 3. 3 Days until deadline.
Lilac
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Lilac
Okay seriously, what the hell?

The 3 people who were most likely Mafia just died last night... Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...

...DAMNIT, this is making no sense. T_T
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
OOoooOOOoooooOOo
0_o
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0_o
ok did someone kill our coroner >_>
0_o
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0_o
Also

DxS wrote:

Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
Um, what?
LadySuburu
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Bodies have been found!

animask - Doctor / Deprogrammer / Psychiatrist / Mafia Daychat Enabler - Town - Killed N2

DxS - Inquisitor / Compulsive Doctor - Cult - Killed N2
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
What about HItter's and Lyby's roles?

0_o wrote:

Also

DxS wrote:

Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
Um, what?
I thought Lilac said that?
And yeah, "tried to kill doc last night?"
Lilac
Elite Mapper
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Lilac
There's a Psychopath out there but knowing Suburu.

I'm stating that Wojjan is the Psychopath.

EDIT: Doc = Lybydose
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Oh, okay.

What does a psychopath do and what does it have to do with anything?
Lilac
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Lilac
Okay, here's my thought.

Everyone has roles. Alignments on the Wiki have been thrown out since LS doesn't care. Which means, a cop can be anti-town. However, animask being the Psychiatrist means there's a Psychopath of unknown alignment.

Haneii as an Enabler probably killed quite a couple of roles. I also knew that DxS was an Inquisitor/Doctor before he died, but couldn't say it on topic.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

LadySuburu wrote:

Mafia Daychat Enabler
So does this mean the mafia can't talk anymore?

(Question to players.)
Lilac
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Lilac
http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Psychopath
Lilac
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Lilac
And no, Ph0X, they just can't talk at Day. Night they're free to.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Lilac wrote:

And no, Ph0X, they just can't talk at Day. Night they're free to.
So does this mean we have confirmed townies?
Two_old
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Two_old
that's pretty dumb if it's that easy
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
So wait, Mafia can't talk today?
0_o
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0_o
I'm pretty sure that means that they can't communicate via PM during the day anymore.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

0_o wrote:

I'm pretty sure that means that they can't communicate via PM during the day anymore.
There's daytime communication allowed?
0_o
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0_o

Ph0X wrote:

0_o wrote:

I'm pretty sure that means that they can't communicate via PM during the day anymore.
There's daytime communication allowed?
There was for the mafia apparently.
Quaraezha
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AFAIK Mafia can PM each other anytime they want
Two_old
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Two_old
oh right, vote Lilac
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Quaraezha wrote:

AFAIK Mafia can PM each other anytime they want
It's not like that in most LS mafia games.

FoS Q, 0_o
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

oh right, vote Lilac
What, is he mafia in this game, too?
0_o
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0_o
...woah wait, Ph0X is here now?
Ph0X
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Ph0X
I wonder how long I can keep this up.
rust45
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So with DxS a Inquisitor, does that mean he was recruiting for the same cult as Two? Or did he have his own cult? Any ideas?
Two_old
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Two_old
it was a separate cult
Lilac
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Lilac
I'm not Mafia.
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Two wrote:

it was a separate cult
Yup. Else there'd be two cult leaders to the same cult.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Based on the Wiki, it's a different cult.
But it would be odd to have 2 cults in a game (or not)
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Vote: Lilac

Thanks for giving your neutrality away.
Lilac
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Lilac
Roleclaim: Hobo and Inventor.

You just don't get it, do you?
rust45
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rust45
Well, we know that the first part of his role is true, considering the note found yesterday.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
All these roles are confusing me.
Have you given any gadgets to any player yet?
Two_old
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Two_old
ok then

unvote, vote Ph0x
Lilac
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Lilac
I poisoned Lyby. But he died before poison killed him, his roles, if he did anything, were also redirected to his non-intented targets.

I also had a gun to murder him before, but it broke in one day...

I also have one more invention so I ask this question to you guys.

If ONE person could be revived, who would you want it to be?

FoS: Two Sorry, I hate you.
Two_old
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Two_old
you already know my role why are you using that horribly stupid acronym
Lilac
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Lilac
Because I hate your attitude.

Don't take it seriously if you don't want to.

Vote: Ph0X
Lilac
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Lilac
Also, if no-one says anything, I'm reviving Haneii.

Oh yeah, Wojjan found a gun near his house too. What the hell was that Wojjan?
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