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I would like it if you would stop dismissing animask's unhelpful behavior as him simply being a noob.
He could be mafia and simply act like this the entire game and we'd never lynch him because "oh, he hasn't said anything scummy".
He could be mafia and simply act like this the entire game and we'd never lynch him because "oh, he hasn't said anything scummy".
noob != twat
I'm not completely ignore him, in fact, I'm paying a lot of attention to him and his behaviour. The fact that he has no role that he hates (according to osu!Mafia), the fact that he hasn't rebutted against your earlier argument.
Everything.
I'm not completely ignore him, in fact, I'm paying a lot of attention to him and his behaviour. The fact that he has no role that he hates (according to osu!Mafia), the fact that he hasn't rebutted against your earlier argument.
Everything.
So your death prevented you from recruiting anyone?Two wrote:
also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
Are cults like a third faction or something?
That's the only other reason I can think of for revealing a townie to be a bad thing.
That's the only other reason I can think of for revealing a townie to be a bad thing.
Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter
Obviously mafia due to his role.
Obviously mafia due to his role.
If you're in the cult, you could still be misleading us...Two wrote:
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter
Obviously mafia due to his role.
Also, what role? What role do you think he has?
By any chance Two, did you target me with your Motivation, because my role changed over the Night.
Also, I copied Two and used motivate on 0_o.
Also, I copied Two and used motivate on 0_o.
I've gone from "borderline useless" to "possibly useful in a certain scenario".NoHItter wrote:
Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this? Who exactly does that benefit besides the mafia?
0_o wrote:
What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this?
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItterthat's why
I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.NoHItter wrote:
because my role changed over the Night.
In exchange, my role's powers got an upgrade.
That's why I was wondering if Two targeted me. He was after all the Motivator.
Maybe it's a mafia perk? Who says you can just absorb anyone? Maybe it has to be part of a night kill.
That doesn't sound like something a Motivator would do. Perhaps a role possibly that changes a role for good of bad did that to you?NoHItter wrote:
I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.
Problem is I don't think that there's any other possible role that could do that.
I've checked the MafiaScum Wiki already. Let me check again.
I've checked the MafiaScum Wiki already. Let me check again.
A question - how many mafia are there likely to be in this game? It's like 3 or 4, right?
Vote: Two
Unvote
12 player games usually have 3 mafia.
I'm guessing 4 is possible though.
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12 player games usually have 3 mafia.
I'm guessing 4 is possible though.
If you don't know what a tremendous scumtell that is, please leave the concept of mafia alone >:Tanimask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
vote: animask
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
You're delusional is what you are.animask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
I didn't even ask for reasoning. I'd get mad but it's 4 AM right now so I.O.U
Topic Starter
Another note is on the ground.
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
Mostly going to take note of the poor financially bit for now.LadySuburu wrote:
Another note is on the ground.
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
Concluding this could mean he's already used his power if he has one or that he won't be able to activate something for a period of time in the game.
Silly DxS. I'm poor because I bought my Mami Tomoe cosplay.
Topic Starter
1. Unless otherwise stated in your Role PM, this game takes place in this thread only - do not discuss it anywhere else. Doing so will get you modkilled or immediately replaced, depending on the severity of the offence.
Just restating, in case people forgot.
Just restating, in case people forgot.
Topic Starter
So, I forgot one of someone's night actions. Therefore I agreed to reveal something interesting about the game in place of that action.
Mod note 1: During night 1, there were a total of 18 night actions sent to me.
Mod note 1: During night 1, there were a total of 18 night actions sent to me.
I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
Oh my god would you stop it with the two punsQuaraezha wrote:
I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
this is why I want him dead
Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
Shouldn't we just ignore him though?Wojjan wrote:
Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
you have a limited number of lynches
why would you waste one on a person confirmed not to be mafia
oh right it's wojjan land
why would you waste one on a person confirmed not to be mafia
oh right it's wojjan land
If Two is telling the truth that there is no replacement leader then there really isn't any point in lynching him, as the only way he can win now is if he is the last one standing. Even if he is lying, and he did recruit someone who became the new leader after he died (a priest, perhaps?), I still don't lynching him would accomplish much, as we should be focusing on finding mafia.
Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
With cults it's literally beat them or join them.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I wouldn't believe anything he says, but there's not much we can do in terms of finding someone randomly picked who may or may not actually exist.NoHItter wrote:
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I concur, I still think there is another person out there who is part of the cult. To only have one member to begin with would seem too...easy...
I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
I was under the impression that cults always started with only one person? Just from what I've read in the wikis at least.
It does make sense for the cult to start memberless (nothing but a leader), and it would simply be the leader's job to recruit every night to make it a true "cult".
Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).
Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.
Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).
Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.
Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Nightkilling twice would be way overpowered. If it targeted mafia they would probably get another night action to use.Quaraezha wrote:
What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.
Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.
Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
At the same time I'm also gonna imply that Two didn't use his powers on you.
Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
I have only targetted one person so far, and it wasn't NoHItter. It's possible my action was shoved onto him somehow though..
Yes I did target Hitter last night. And I will say that my action was the one that changed his role. But I had no idea how it would change the role when I used it.
Which animask post did you use the lie detector ability on?
Oh right, forgot to say that I'm pretty sure my action had nothing to do with his post restriction/motivation.
@ Lybydose: This one
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Q we really haven't heard enough from to judge, so he' be the fourth if there are four I think. Lilac just generally seems innocent to me and then of course there's that little note from before which didn't seem to fit a member of the mafia.
Sorry if I forgot something, this game is hectic.
Anyway, for now I'm going to vote Lybydose because he is my strongest FoS.
If we believe 0_o, and I am inclined to, that leaves us with 5 possible mafia:animask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
- Lybydose
- Lilac
- DxS
- Quaraezha
- adam2046
.Q we really haven't heard enough from to judge, so he' be the fourth if there are four I think. Lilac just generally seems innocent to me and then of course there's that little note from before which didn't seem to fit a member of the mafia.
Sorry if I forgot something, this game is hectic.
Anyway, for now I'm going to vote Lybydose because he is my strongest FoS.
Can you explain how an "animask is not lying in that post" clears him?
Because he says he is a townie in it.
:(Mashley wrote:
adam2046 is in there because he's adam and this is Host's Poison; it seems likely that he would be picked as a mafioso, that's all :P.
I think I'm missing some information here.
What clears NoHItter, 0_o and rust?
rust, 0_o and animask have all targeted NoHItter since the start of the game. There were 2 actions targeted at nohitter since the start of the game, and 0_o's has been redirected onto nohitter. Read the thread again, you'll get it.
ehh I can kind of see what you mean, but animask's first line seems like a tautology to me due to the use of the term "probably".
Here, example:
Say there's a 10 person game with 2 mafia. I select a person at random and say "This person is probably townie". The statement is true no matter who I chose because there's an 80% chance he's townie.
Here, example:
Say there's a 10 person game with 2 mafia. I select a person at random and say "This person is probably townie". The statement is true no matter who I chose because there's an 80% chance he's townie.
It would actually mean that Two deemed it necessary to investigate animask and found that he is townie.Lybydose wrote:
ehh I can kind of see what you mean, but animask's first line seems like a tautology to me due to the use of the term "probably".
Here, example:
Say there's a 10 person game with 2 mafia. I select a person at random and say "This person is probably townie". The statement is true no matter who I chose because there's an 80% chance he's townie.
Which I find kind of funny.
How does the lie detector work anyway? Does it say if there's a lie in the post somewhere or do you have to plug in specific parts of the post?
And you can use it twice every day, once at night and once during the day?
No, I'm asking because I don't get it. How does people targeting NoHItter = town?Mashley wrote:
rust, 0_o and animask have all targeted NoHItter since the start of the game. There were 2 actions targeted at nohitter since the start of the game, and 0_o's has been redirected onto nohitter. Read the thread again, you'll get it.
Yeah seeing as everyone is getting multi-abilitied roles I'm thinking the mafia probably has some abilities too. One of the targetters very well could have been a mafia with a post-restriction ability. And how is Hitter confirmed?
host crossed off leader when you saw my role, remember?NoHItter wrote:
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
@mashley, dumb to say wojjan is the bomb if they are
and since his name is now up, I'll just say that I scanned deathxshinigami and he's not mafia
edit: and I'd like to add that I'm still for a NoHItter lynch
Mashley wrote:
Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector
Mafia Wiki wrote:
The Forensic Investigator is a pro-Town informative role that has the ability to analyze a player's 'body' once they have been 'killed'. The Forensic Investigator is then given a list of player's names who targeted the 'dead' player since the beginning of the game.
Can you analyze Two? Since he did die once, just still alive.
Maybe we can know who resurrected him and stuff.
Also
So it can be a possibility.Lie Detector Mafia Wiki wrote:
In one form of the role, the Lie Detector's ability is lost if he tells the other players, or they work out, what his ability is.
That's because you died.Two wrote:
host crossed off leader when you saw my role, remember?NoHItter wrote:
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
It's possible that someone else has become Cult Member and became leader after you died.
You just happened to be resurrected afterwards (as member)
how do you plan on knowing who resurrected me by fact checking my posts lol?
I can understand checking for other things, but even then you already know that I'm not mafia, and worst case scenario for you all is that town assimilates into the cult and wins that way
I can understand checking for other things, but even then you already know that I'm not mafia, and worst case scenario for you all is that town assimilates into the cult and wins that way
Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
oh I didn't read the forensic investigator part (sry I don't take you that seriously yet, I just skim through your posts)
well a lot of people targeted me night 1, that's for sure
well a lot of people targeted me night 1, that's for sure
Why?Quaraezha wrote:
Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
It's safe to assume many have targetted you and NoHItter.
Just something that has been bothering me is how Two was resurrected.adam2046 wrote:
Why?Quaraezha wrote:
Ah, I guess you have a point.
Just curious who has the resurrection skill.
It's nothing that important, just thinking it might be useful for town.
That is, if the role can resurrect more than once.
I don't see how that's useful for town at all...Quaraezha wrote:
Just something that has been bothering me is how Two was resurrected.
It's nothing that important, just thinking it might be useful for town.
That is, if the role can resurrect more than once.
If there was ever a town who got Nightkilled and his roles are very useful.
He said he already inspected NoHItter, not Two. Since NoHItter didn't die, I think it's safe to assume that his role actually targets living people.Quaraezha wrote:
Can you analyze Two? Since he did die once, just still alive.
Maybe we can know who resurrected him and stuff.
Also Mashley, I'm not sure how revealing who targetted NoHItter really clears any of those people (or NoHItter himself). It does clear you though, since those people are able to confirm that you aren't lying.
@adam: well, that person could resurrect dead townies. Take a look at Haneii: he's a stalker/watcher/enabler. That's a pretty powerful investigative combination, in addition to enabling someone else to do...something.
But, they can do that without having their role revealed...Lybydose wrote:
@adam: well, that person could resurrect dead townies
I don't see the logic here.
Now I'm not sure anymore
Maybe so we can confirm their role and avoid lynching
I'm just throwing out reasons.
Bah, forget it.
Maybe so we can confirm their role and avoid lynching
I'm just throwing out reasons.
Bah, forget it.
Maybe.Quaraezha wrote:
Bah, forget it.
Which would also confirm their nightkill.Quaraezha wrote:
Maybe so we can confirm their role and avoid lynching
Oh he wanted that person to reveal? Yeah that's a bad idea. Worst case scenario, that person can reveal if they are close to being lynched.
Still just a little confused.
So Mashley can use his Forensic Science ability to people who are still alive? (NoHItter)
So Mashley can use his Forensic Science ability to people who are still alive? (NoHItter)
I guess so? Either that or he's lying. I don't think he's lying though. LS probably just altered the role so that he uses it on live people rather than dead.
If that's the case. It's either just alive or alive+dead.Lybydose wrote:
LS probably just altered the role so that he uses it on live people rather than dead.
afaik I can analyse anyone except those who died on night one.
Also, I just got PM from Suburu saying that she made a mistake with the PM and 0_o did not target NoHItter. Damnit, Suburu. But I am still inclined to thing 0_o is town, as his responses just seem that way to me. I'm less certain tough.
Anyway, the two abilities we've seen used on NoHItter don't really seem like mafia roles to me - they both publicly revealed information about him that was beneficial to the town. Still, none of the people I mentioned are 100% cleared; that post is just my thoughts and I understand if you're skeptical of them.
Also, I just got PM from Suburu saying that she made a mistake with the PM and 0_o did not target NoHItter. Damnit, Suburu. But I am still inclined to thing 0_o is town, as his responses just seem that way to me. I'm less certain tough.
Anyway, the two abilities we've seen used on NoHItter don't really seem like mafia roles to me - they both publicly revealed information about him that was beneficial to the town. Still, none of the people I mentioned are 100% cleared; that post is just my thoughts and I understand if you're skeptical of them.
animask, what do you have to say about Mashley's results?
I am a townie.
Everyone follow my example and Mashley basically becomes standard cop.
Everyone follow my example and Mashley basically becomes standard cop.
Good idea, but "pro-town" is a better term since "townie" can imply a vanilla townie.Wojjan wrote:
I am a townie.
Everyone follow my example and Mashley basically becomes standard cop.
I am pro-town.
Yes please, I especially want Lybydose DxS and adam to post that 
I am pro-town.
Might as well come clean.
I was a town copycat, but my role last night was changed to a miller-survivor. I still have my copycat ability though.
I was a town copycat, but my role last night was changed to a miller-survivor. I still have my copycat ability though.
So were you lying about your post restriction?NoHItter wrote:
Might as well come clean.
I was a town copycat, but my role last night was changed to a miller-survivor. I still have my copycat ability though.
No I wasn't. I have a post restriction.
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Role claim: Compulsive Doctor
Always having to protect a player is such hard work and no I didn't revive Two and I protected someone different anyways...
Role claim: Compulsive Doctor
Always having to protect a player is such hard work and no I didn't revive Two and I protected someone different anyways...
Why did you roleclaim?
Cause everyone else is mass roleclaiming about what they can do...
inb4 All those who don't roleclaim are mafia
inb4 All those who don't roleclaim are mafia
I am pro-town.
btw, what does Compulsive mean?
They have to use their ability.
Okay.
DxS also didn't mention that he was pro-town, might be possible that he's neutral alignment.
DxS also didn't mention that he was pro-town, might be possible that he's neutral alignment.
Topic Starter
Day end. No more posts.
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The day ended with virually nobody voting. There were three people up for lynch: NoHItter, animask, and Lybydose.
So, first come first killed.
NoHItter - Lynched D2.
It is now night 2. 24 hours.
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The day ended with virually nobody voting. There were three people up for lynch: NoHItter, animask, and Lybydose.
So, first come first killed.
NoHItter - Lynched D2.
It is now night 2. 24 hours.
Topic Starter
It seems there's a lot of people missing today.
You can't find Lybydose, DxS, or animask anywhere.
Lybydose - Killed N2
DxS - Killed N2
animask - Killed N2
Day 3. 3 Days until deadline.
You can't find Lybydose, DxS, or animask anywhere.
Lybydose - Killed N2
DxS - Killed N2
animask - Killed N2
Day 3. 3 Days until deadline.
Okay seriously, what the hell?
The 3 people who were most likely Mafia just died last night... Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
...DAMNIT, this is making no sense. T_T
The 3 people who were most likely Mafia just died last night... Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
...DAMNIT, this is making no sense. T_T
OOoooOOOoooooOOo
ok did someone kill our coroner >_>
Also
Um, what?DxS wrote:
Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
Topic Starter
Bodies have been found!
animask - Doctor / Deprogrammer / Psychiatrist / Mafia Daychat Enabler - Town - Killed N2
DxS - Inquisitor / Compulsive Doctor - Cult - Killed N2
animask - Doctor / Deprogrammer / Psychiatrist / Mafia Daychat Enabler - Town - Killed N2
DxS - Inquisitor / Compulsive Doctor - Cult - Killed N2
What about HItter's and Lyby's roles?
And yeah, "tried to kill doc last night?"
I thought Lilac said that?0_o wrote:
AlsoUm, what?DxS wrote:
Though I can't say anything cause I tried to kill Doc last night but someone beat me to it...
And yeah, "tried to kill doc last night?"
There's a Psychopath out there but knowing Suburu.
I'm stating that Wojjan is the Psychopath.
EDIT: Doc = Lybydose
I'm stating that Wojjan is the Psychopath.
EDIT: Doc = Lybydose